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Gates on Spyware and OS Competition

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the phear-the-penguin dept.

Microsoft 690

Ant writes "CNET's News.com has an article that says Microsoft plans to offer its own anti-spyware software." prostoalex writes "Both OsNews and InfoWorld talk about Bill Gates' speech at the Computer History Museum in California. Gates is noting that Linux is taking over, and claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs left in the market."

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800lb Gorilla (5, Insightful)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417873)

It would make sense for Microsoft to make an anti-spyware product, after all, they should (but may not) know the most about how to protect Windows from spyware. I would also think that given the sheer amount of brainpower that they could apply to the task that they would put forth a good product. But, they have not been known as innovaters in the application world (I know, some would say in the OS world as well). Anyway, I wonder how the other folks who make and sell (or give away) anti-spyware software will react to the 800lb gorilla's entrance into their domain?

Re:800lb Gorilla (5, Insightful)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417895)

MS Engineer 1: "Hmm, here's a security vulnerability."

MS PHB: "Well, let's get to work on patching it."

MS Engineer 2: "Wait, couldn't we not patch it and instead sell the patch together with others as a piece of software with an annual update fee?"

MS PHB: "Congratulations, you just got promoted."

Re:800lb Gorilla (0, Flamebait)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417951)

Of course the product they do release uses twice as much memory as anything else, doesn't work as expected, introduces rand(1,20) new security holes, and includes 10x the features of competing products but only half the functionality.

Re:800lb Gorilla (4, Insightful)

Osrin (599427) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417904)

It will be the same response that Microsoft always seen to get when they introduce something like this... lots of people complaining that they're not doing it, then they build something and lots of people complain that they've made a change.

"Microsoft need to do something about security" - Microsoft release XPSP2 - "Microsoft changed a bunch of securty settings and now my badly written app does not work anymore".

Re:800lb Gorilla (2, Informative)

Firehawke (50498) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418029)

'Badly written' might be taking it a bit far. As far as I understand it, SP2 totally removes or largely changes an API call that was commonly used in all sorts of applications, including a number of MS's own products-- it was an ACCEPTED PRACTICE.

I think that's probably the biggest complaint about it outright.

Re:800lb Gorilla (3, Insightful)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417926)

It would make sense for Microsoft to make an anti-spyware product, after all, they should (but may not) know the most about how to protect Windows from spyware.


If they are really are the ones who know the most about protecting Windows from spyware, then almost every Windows user is doomed.

Heck, Mr Gates himself faces the very same spyware problem.

Re:800lb Gorilla (3, Interesting)

gregduffy (766013) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418003)

<sincerity>

Before I worked at Microsoft as an intern last summer (I'm a college student), I was under the same impression about the amount of brainpower they had.

I worked specifically for MSN Ads, and everywhere I looked (I also talked to my friends in other departments) I found sloppy coding practices, FUD, and general CYA-motivated B.S.

9/10 people I met didn't know what they were doing, but they were too good at political maneuvering for it to matter. The people that knew what they were doing were extremely cynical and didn't think things could change. Oh how I wish I could comment on specifics. Damn NDA.

I was really hoping Microsoft would be a cool place to work, but I was severely disappointed. Behind closed doors, I couldn't find a SINGLE person who would actually recommend taking a job there.

When they made me an offer to join after my senior year (this year), I turned it down. I just can't deal with companies that are too laden in management and politics to even attempt agility and quality of work. Maybe it's just the idealism of youth, and I'll learn my lesson the hard way some day.

I'm sure there are specific people and groups in Microsoft that do a bang-up job, but I think they are much fewer in numbers than they were 20 years ago (before I was born).

g

Re:800lb Gorilla (1, Informative)

gregduffy (766013) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418020)

<sincerity>

Before I worked at Microsoft as an intern last summer (I'm a college student), I was under the same impression about the amount of brainpower they had.

I worked specifically for MSN Ads, and everywhere I looked (I also talked to my friends in other departments) I found sloppy coding practices, FUD, and general CYA-motivated B.S.

9/10 people I met didn't know what they were doing, but they were too good at political maneuvering for it to matter. The people that knew what they were doing were extremely cynical and didn't think things could change. Oh how I wish I could comment on specifics. Damn NDA.

I was really hoping Microsoft would be a cool place to work, but I was severely disappointed. Behind closed doors, I couldn't find a SINGLE person who would actually recommend taking a job there.

When they made me an offer to join after my senior year (this year), I turned it down. I just can't deal with companies that are too laden in management and politics to even attempt agility and quality of work. Maybe it's just the idealism of youth, and I'll learn my lesson the hard way some day.

I'm sure there are specific people and groups in Microsoft that do a bang-up job, but I think they are much fewer in numbers than they were 20 years ago (before I was born).

I think spyware exists (mainly) because of a flaw in the architecture of Windows and the development methodology employed by Microsoft in general. I sincerely doubt they will be able to address the problem-space of spyware. They can't just turn on a dime anymore. At least, the Microsoft I know can't.

Probably it will just turn out to be a technologically half-assed job that the phenomenal Microsoft marketing team turns into the next revolution of computing. </sincerity>

Re:800lb Gorilla (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418059)

I wonder how the other folks who make and sell (or give away) anti-spyware software will react to the 800lb gorilla's entrance into their domain?

That's the least of their problems. The big problem is when the 800lb gorilla will patent anti-spyware software. How will the other simians react to that?

Mac OS? (5, Insightful)

tuxlove (316502) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417877)

Gee Bill, what about Mac OS? Considering how good that OS is these days, not to mention the Mac hardware, you probably shouldn't turn your back on it in a dark alley. I think it'll be here 10 years from now.

Re:Mac OS? (5, Insightful)

bladx (816461) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417888)

yeah, i agree

what's the deal? my summer internship (a school district) uses macs like crazy.. of my experience (and i know, it is not very much) mac os x has, by far, been the most stable OS i have had to use in the workplace. i'm not sure why it would go away so suddenly.

Re:Mac OS? (4, Informative)

Money for Nothin' (754763) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417893)

People have been predicting the death of MacOS and Apple for almost 2 decades now. That "wizard" over at PCMag, John Dvorak, has been doing so for almost that long, and look at where that prediction has gone.

*tears out another Dvorak article, wipes, and flushes it down the toilet*

Re:Mac OS? (2, Insightful)

GFLPraxis (745118) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418040)

" People have been predicting the death of MacOS and Apple for almost 2 decades now. That "wizard" over at PCMag, John Dvorak, has been doing so for almost that long, and look at where that prediction has gone."

Uh...this year is the twentieth anniversary of MacOS. I don't think they were predicting the death of MacOS and Apple 2 decades ago...unless they were predicting the death of MacOS the instant it came out. lol

Though your point is correct (above is just a nitpick)- people have been predicting the death of MacOS for a while, and Apple's stocks have been shooting through the roof since OS X came out. lol.

Check out the Apple Death Knell...
http://www.macobserver.com/appledeathknell/index.s html [macobserver.com]

Re:Mac OS? (1, Troll)

thedogcow (694111) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417897)

No, No, No.

You see in 10 years, when Longhorn is finally released, this OS will have copied all of the features of OS X therefore really reducing the options to Linux and Longhorn.

Re:Mac OS? (2, Funny)

heptapod (243146) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417937)

If Longhorn is going to be a copy of OSX then won't it be a BSD clone with a pretty interface? The options would be reduced to Linux and a variant of BSD.

Re:Mac OS? (1)

beacher (82033) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417936)

I think Mac OS will still be around and I definately see Linux gaining some serious ground. I think LongHorn / DRM will start to get some animosity and it'll cause people to reconsider what Microsoft's real system shoudl be named.
Completely Restrictive Application Portal. When someone says Hey! Get This CRAP off my system!, you know what they mean.

Re:Mac OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417954)

Ignore it. Bill is obviously trolling.

Re:Mac OS? (2, Funny)

mini me (132455) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417981)

Maybe he is planning on buying Apple? Which would mean that MacOS would become Windows.

Re:Mac OS? (4, Interesting)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418055)

As hardware gets cheaper and more powerful and becomes a commodity, Apple is likely to have an increasingly difficult time selling its own line of expensive machines. With the Mac OS now a layer on top of Unix, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple eventually gives up reserving its software for its own hardware and begins to sell Mac OS as a GUI and software bundle on top of Linux, essentially a commercial counterpart to Gnome or KDE.

I hate to say it (3, Funny)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417881)

but if Bill Gates says it too, it must be true:

*BSD is Dying! (And will have died in 10 years)

Just had to get that out of the way.

Re:I hate to say it (2, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417930)

but if Bill Gates says it too, it must be true: *BSD is Dying!
It's already a nonfactor as far as BG is concerned.

That said, Linux fills a niche that could otherwise have been filled almost as well by a free / open BSD. (I say "almost" because the license of BSD has lead to fragmentation that created an opening for Linux).

Re:I hate to say it (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418053)

(I say "almost" because the license of BSD has lead to fragmentation that created an opening for Linux).

The irony is strong in this one...

Oh the cosmic justice... (5, Funny)

rune2 (547599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417883)

Hit by his own security vulnerabilities! I can just picture Gates running Ad Aware... heh maybe someone should suggest that he switch to using Linux and Firefox!

Re:Oh the cosmic justice... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417970)

I would love to see him get popups like this guy does [google.com].

Re:Oh the cosmic justice... (1)

thephotoman (791574) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418065)

I'd love to be in that conversation:

thephotoman: So, tell me, why aren't you using Firefox yet?

Bill Gates: Because I PWN TEH INTARWEB! PH33R MY 1337 $$$!

tpm: *rolls eyes*

BG: As long as everybody uses MY browser, I have EVERYTHING they own!

tpm: *calls the police, the SEC, and publishes a tape of the converastion on the internet*

640K is enough.... (1, Interesting)

Mastadex (576985) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417885)

THis is the same man (Borg?) that said 640K is enough for everyone. and now hes claiming 2OS is enough for the whole world...

I just lost faith in humanity...

Re:640K is enough.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417907)

hey

got to get something right......!:)

Re:640K is enough.... (1, Interesting)

Osrin (599427) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417923)

Didn't Tom Watson (founder of IBM) once claim that the world only needed 5 computers, and he was the man to build them?

Re:640K is enough.... (1)

Surazal (729) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418007)

> Didn't Tom Watson (founder of IBM) once claim that the world only needed 5 computers, and he was the man to build them?

Well, judging by the way things went in those days, he probably did build the next five computers ever manufactured. He probably got a little blindsided by the sixth one when the next guy took over, though. ;^)

Another choice quote from DEC... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418052)

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
-- Ken Olsen (1926- ), President, Digital Equipment, 1977

I have a 21066 myself, I want to get another newer model though. Here's another good one...

"Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 18 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps weigh 1.5 tons"
-- unknown, Popular Mechanics, March 1949

Re:640K is enough.... (5, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417961)

Actually, if you did your research, you'd find out that he never said that. He's not an idiot, and only an idiot would make a definate statement about the evolution of tech.

I'm too tired to find the links right now, but a minute or 5 of google should clear it up for ya.

Re:640K is enough.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417997)

He's not an idiot, and only an idiot would make a definate statement about the evolution of tech.

The man who bought the code that became MS-Dos and setting the standard in inadquate legacy garbage for 20 years? You are right, he's not an idiot, he's a business man.

Well Said, Billy... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417887)

"Gates is noting that Linux is taking over, and claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs left in the market."

Isn't this the same guy who said we'd never need more than 640K?

No Mac OS? What will the Mac Business Unit Think? (2, Insightful)

thedbp (443047) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417890)

Is Bill telling his employees in the Mac Business Unit that all their hard work is going to be for nothing? Is he planning on shutting down the MacBU, an that's why he's saying Mac OS won't be around?

man, that's really f-ed up. Maybe the Windows Office team are getting jealous of how good the Mac version of Office is getting and are planning on burning the MacBU to the ground...

Bill Is ALWAYS Right (-1, Troll)

Snagle (644973) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417891)

You guys are all still using >64k of RAM right? yeah me too ;)

Re:Bill Is ALWAYS Right (2, Funny)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417960)

You guys are all still using >64k of RAM right?
I think that is quite a safe assumption. Not too many PCs ship with 32kb of RAM these days. Heck many pocket calculators probably have >64k RAM.

Mac-Tel? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417892)

If Apple ever releases a PC version of OSX, M$ is screwed. But that won't happen now, will it?

Re:Mac-Tel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417959)

I've heard plausible rumors that the wizards at Apple already have a PC version of OS X locked up in the lab.

I DO wonder just what would happen if Steve decided to let his Big Kitties out...

Re:Mac-Tel? (2, Insightful)

bot24 (771104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418028)

The problem is, most software is PC(x86) or Macintosh(OSX) compatible. However, PC means x86 machine with Windows, and Macintosh means PPC machine with OSX. x86 OSX would have the same problem that plagues Linux n00bs: Linux compatible could mean x86, PPC, IA64, ARM, SH3, etc. Having always thought of their computer being a Windows PC or a Mac, and know running Linux, they wonder why PackageX-PS2.rpm won't run on their computer.
Another problem would be that there are differences between the architectures enough that source code may require changes before it will execute correctly. There would be no software that would run on your x86 OSX machine. Companies would most likely need to port their applications before OSX-x86 would be useful.
This might be secretly happening right now. NDA companies that develop major products for your OS and have them start porting. Don't let the MBU know or their might be an in company leak.

OS X and FreeBSD (4, Interesting)

ValiantSoul (801152) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417894)

claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs left in the market

Um...Mac OS X is only getting better and more switchers from Microsoft, and FreeBSD is still running a lot of servers around the world (and ones that don't go down).

I predict that in 10 years from now, Microsoft will be dead, linux and FreeBSD will feed off of each other making both extremely good choices (FreeBSD for server, linux for desktop). Then the competition will be between Mac OS X and linux for the desktop.

Re:OS X and FreeBSD (1)

Hiro2k (264020) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417968)

If had mod points I would give them too you for this is the same prediction I would have made. :D

Re:OS X and FreeBSD (2, Interesting)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418012)

Ok, in the spirit of the parent, I present my shocking theory:

In 2014, Linux will be the Unix of the 21st century. OpenVMS will run on every moderate sized box, and MS Windows 2012.L (linux version... AIX admins will get this one) will be an X client/server for remote control of all the other boxes.

-WS

Re:OS X and FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418023)

If you actually believe this, you must never had heard of a concept in physics called "Momentum," the product of mass and velocity. I'm not sure what Microsoft's product will be like, but it'll be a product of its velocity and mass [http].

Microsoft is planning to offer it's own... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417899)

anti-spyware software? Does this mean that when it's run that it will offer remove Windows? If so, this will be the first good thing to come from Microsoft.

Optimistic Gates? (5, Funny)

chrispyman (710460) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417900)

That's quite interesting that he expects Linux to still exist 10 years from now. I thought that he expected that his SCO henchmen would actually be able to succeed in killing Linux.

Re:Optimistic Gates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417945)

He is also pesimistic: he believes Windows will still exist...

Re:Optimistic Gates? (2, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418064)

Evil intentions though he may have, Gates isn't an idiot. He may not like it, but he can see that SCO has made a complete cock-up of its anti-Linux scam.

silly me (0, Troll)

squarefish (561836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417908)

but I thought windows was spyware before anyone was even using the term for other software.

I don't know if the registration system could fall any other name....

Excellent. (1)

nickjl (744496) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417910)

Just yesterday I was thinking, "It would be a good thing if Microsoft would stick an anti adware/spyware thing in Windows and have it run by default". Lo and behold, they seem to have taken my mental suggestion.

Re:Excellent. (1, Insightful)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418042)

Too bad microsoft will probobly just charge spyware companies a fee to have their crap not get blocked.

Re:Excellent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418054)

Just yesterday I was thinking, "It would be a good thing if Microsoft would stick an anti adware/spyware thing in Windows and have it run by default". Lo and behold, they seem to have taken my mental suggestion.


Hey, how about you use your mental powers for some real good. Start thinking, "Boy, Microsoft should release Windows GPL then fade from existence," for about 10 hours a day, and who knows what could happen!

...and (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417911)

those two operating systems will be running on Tablet PCs with 64k RAM and DRM. Oh and BOB.

Nuclear Reactor Market?? (2, Funny)

civilengineer (669209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417912)

"We ourselves are not going after the e-voting market or the nuclear reactor control market," Gates said.

Who is the leader in the Nuclear Reactor Control market right now ? (I mean, what OS is running in nuclear reactors? I for one hope it's not Windows ME)

Re:Nuclear Reactor Market?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417934)

At least in France they run linux. I don't know about the rest of the world.

Re:Nuclear Reactor Market?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417956)

No kidding? I'm the coward from below, and can only speak for the Kings 'Old' colonies, but I must say I'm amazed they use linux in control systems. It certainly is hardened enough, but I recall when Y2K was looming large and we were worried about specialty 486's causing reactor protective functions, only from their watchdog timers (literally, they were only used as counters)

Re:Nuclear Reactor Market?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417944)

There is no OS per se, on critical systems. Most are embedded devices running proprietary code, and usually just enough to perform the function they were designed to do.

When you hear reports of computer troubles at nuclear plants, it's more likely to be SoBig.x trashing the mail server, than slammer causing a SCRAM.

Re:Nuclear Reactor Market?? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418000)


Who is the leader in the Nuclear Reactor Control market right now ?


Mainly human beings..
The "computers" are used for monitoring and for safety functions, they are embedded systems. I know the plant I worked at had a protection system that ran on a three channel redundant system built around the 8088. We actually did troubleshooting with a signature analyzer to compare to known good values. Of course I've been out of the field for 6 years so maybe computers have been retro-fitted into the systems but I doubt it.

Hyperbole? (1)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417915)

However, it is better to have such technologies around and hope for the best, rather than not publishing online music or movies just out of fear that someone will crack their security. In the first case you have some piracy and some sales, on the second case you only end up with piracy.

Yeah, because piracy has pretty much eliminated the sale of music and movies.

In fact, there is only one sale of any given title anymore and that person just uploads it to the net.

Re:Hyperbole? (1)

InfiniteWisdom (530090) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418026)

I don't see your point... what he said is completely reasonable IMHO. If you publish online and someone cracks your protection you get some sales and some piracy online. On the other hand if you don't publish online all online copies are piarated. Therefore, as he points out its better to take the risk and publish online.

oh god ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417916)

... here come the mac zealots ...

Re:oh god ... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417942)

What?
You got something aginst Macs?
Well do you punk?!

huh? (1)

ir0b0t (727703) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417917)

Large, under-regulated corporations pose a challenging contemporary threat to civil privacy interests --- esp on the net. Its confusing --- maybe even a little orwellian --- to contemplate Microsoft as some kind of champion of privacy interests. Isn't the MS drive for market share and support of the proprietary software as dangerous to civil liberties as spyware?

Seems to be the american way (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417918)

Why spend the man power fixing his faulty product when you can use 1/2 the time time and just create a bandaid fix!!

Wow... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417919)

This is the most retarded and flamebaited article summary ever...Bill Gates never said that Windows and Linux will be the only OSes left on the market...just the only two relevent ones.

So all you Apple fanboys can sit back down now, since Bill's not telling you your OS/religion will be dead in ten years...just that it won't be relevent, kind of like it's not relevent today.

prostoalex (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417920)

Gates is noting that Linux is taking over, and claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs left in the market.

The only thing I see is in the OsNews article where Bill Gates is quoted to say "fast forward 10 years, the two leading OS technologies will be Linux and Windows." But "leading" is very different from "only". Nowhere does it say all other OSs will disappear.

prostoalex, YOU must substantiate your statement NOW. Or are you spreading more anti-MS FUD??

Re:prostoalex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417966)

Come on...mod the parent up...add an update to the story because the article summary is totally unsubstantiated bovine fecal matter...I know this is Slashdot where people love to make Microsoft and Bill Gates look like crap, but come on...this borders on libel!!!

Re:prostoalex (1)

Sir Haxa1ot (715348) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418005)

"fast forward 10 years, the two leading OS technologies will be Linux and Windows" hinting that most others (Sun, Mac?) will be eclipsed from the main business scene.

if you RTFAd, you wouldn't be so FUBARd.

One of zem Mac/Amiga/Beos/Commodore users, aint you?

spyware? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417933)

Oh, so MS is going to release a program to erase Windows from my system?

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10417938)

Steve Jobs must be laughing his ass off right now... ;)

Apple & BSD clichés (1)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417940)

Gates is noting that Linux is taking over, and claims that 10 years forward Linux and Windows will be the only OSs [itfacts.biz] left in the market."
Hmmm. Is this proof that Apple & BSD are dead, or not????

Anti spyware? (4, Insightful)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417943)

If MS just a bit disclose the hidden places of OS to the very owners of OS/PC, spyware will be immediately found and killed. Just make those HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run keys and other obscure parts more open and clear to users. Make non-technologically-competitive pieces of OS components open source. Don't lie to your own consumers.

Just Linux and Windows???? Not likely (4, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417948)

There will be a number of OSS which will be around. In addition, ALL of the closed source will be sold to others. OS's make their real money (except for MS's) after it is put into maintence mode. Good example was hp-3000. Lost money at the OS level until it was put into mainence mode. Then it made big bucks for HP. Likewise, vms makes a lot of money for HP.

Apple, by being based on OSS, may be spared that death, but hard to tell.

All most certainly all the the closed Unixs will be in maintence mode or dead. What ever aspects of them that were interesting will be done in Linux.

While BSD will almost certainly be around, I doubt that it will capture a big market. Nobody can really take the chance of MS swooping in and killing them.

But Linux and Windows will probably be the 2 gorrillas.

Re:Just Linux and Windows???? Not likely (1)

JudgeFurious (455868) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418049)

In the event that your prediction and not Bills ends up being true then I doubt very much that MacOS survives because it's based on OSS. In such an event MacOS would survive for (oddly enough) some of the same reasons why it nearly died. It would survive because it's got a small, intensely loyal user base, and it's tied tightly to the hardware it's designed to run on.

RTFA! (5, Informative)

kcarlile (589013) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417949)

He doesn't (at least as mentioned in the OSNews piece) say that there will be ONLY two OSes left. I quote:
He did say though that "fast forward 10 years, the two leading OS technologies will be Linux and Windows" hinting that most others (Sun, Mac?) will be eclipsed from the main business scene.
That's not saying that MacOS or *BSD or Sun or anything else will be dead and gone. FUD (unintentional or not) from the poster, methinks...

Re:RTFA! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418036)

Yet more proof (not that more was needed) that Slashdot is a fucking ridiculous joke. The only thing this site is worth is trolling a bunch of socially retarded dipshits.

Re:RTFA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418063)

Well said!

Too much control? (4, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417952)

While I tend to be that last one to state that Microsoft has too much control over ancillary markets, I was rather disturbed by XP SP2s inability to recognize several third party Anti Virus products and cotinue to warn about the vulnarbility of the system. One wonders what F-Prot and Command-com antivirus need to do to get on the "trusted" AV list at Microsoft.

Sounds bad to me. (4, Insightful)

rincebrain (776480) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417957)

Is it just me, or does this sound like a revenue service waiting to happen?

I submit that Microsoft will only judge as spyware products which either install themselves without explicit permission, or products which are not owned by companies who pay Microsoft.

I hate to be so cynical, but I've been burned by too many Microsoft "features" [in recent memory: IE upgrades only available to XP users, and a Windows ME setup CD refusing to install to a FAT16 partition formatted by its own boot disk] to believe much of what they say.

Just my $0.02 USD.

Re:Sounds bad to me. (1)

BCW2 (168187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418009)

Cynical hell, we need a mod level of "Digustingly Accurate", it would be above insightful.

If M$ OS wasn't so easy to crack into to add this crap, there would be no spy/ad/malware, and no need of Ad-Aware and Spybot(by the way, everyone needs both, they each miss thing the other gets).

Finally, Microsoft is thinking clearly! (5, Funny)

Ride-My-Rocket (96935) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417963)

Gates said Microsoft will offer software to detect malicious applications and that the company will keep it up-to-date on an ongoing basis.

I don't think people need software to detect these malicious applications; when their home pages get set to http://www.pornomonkeysonmeth.com and their 3.2 Ghz processor is pegged at 100% trying to open up Notepad, I think they're already well aware that malcious applcations are present on their system.


CNET's News.com has an article that says Microsoft plans to offer its own anti-spyware software.

Microsoft has also gone public with their newest strategy: develop software that will prevent maltware from being installed in the first place, instead of merely detecting its presence. They have codenamed this software "Linux", and it will be offered free of charge to all existing customers.

Bill Gates says... (0)

spiritraveller (641174) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417973)

that you're all a bunch of f-ing retards for caring what Bill Gates says!

Or at least, that's what he would say if he were honest.

Re:Bill Gates says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10418002)

The problem is that what Bill Gates says _does_ matter. Even if what he says is complete hokum, it matters, because Microsoft its indeed the big 800 lb. gorilla and if he says our bananas needs a service pack/security update then all of us will have to take the loving probing rump-ready ministrations of this hairy gorilla, whether we eat bananas, Lemons XP, linux oranges, or Apples. We should all pay attention to Gates, and from that worry for our future.

Thank Goodness! (1)

eflester (715184) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417982)

My favorite quote from the InfoWorld article: "We ourselves are not going after the e-voting market or the nuclear reactor control market," Gates said.

No shit (0)

Tyndmyr (811713) | more than 9 years ago | (#10417988)

Anti spyware software? So quick of MS! Heck, everyones already done it...its about time they jumped on the bandwagon, and do what they do best...copy working software. Forgive my bitterness...

Only linux and windows eventually? Of course. What else is there...mac, which we all know is becoming a less unique os(not a bad thing, tho)...and what, suns os? I just dont see any other major os besides linux and windows at the moment...its an easy prophesy to make.

Same old Bill Gates. (4, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418001)

Rather than look at how the crap gets installed and dealing with THAT, let's talk about software to remove the crap AFTER it gets installed.

Here's some advice, Bill. It's easier to prevent the stuff from being installed then it is to clean up all the millions of variations that will be out there.

Not to mention this will be another DAILY download update along with:
#1. Security updates
#2. Anti-virus signatures

No... (1)

Viceice (462967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418010)

Dispite my dislike for the Mac OS, I must say that the Mac itself has quite a following and i seriously doubt it will taper off into oblivion in 10 years.

Unless Steve Jobs dies sometime in the next 10 years and his sucessor is a total idiot.

He's right (4, Insightful)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418013)

Gates makes the point, which is correct, that UNIX is losing marketshare, not Windows. If anything, scientists/network admins are moving to a combination of Linux and Mac just because UNIX-creators (*cough* Sun *cough*) haven't innovated in years.

The battle for desktop supremacy, however, is already won. I like the fact that I can run UNIX apps on my iBook, but I just built a tower for Windows. There's just too much breadth of software to shift away from the platform. MS has also come up with some good stuff recently (.NET, which in some cases is what Java should've been) that cement their hold.

Also, one would think UNIX refugees coming to Mac would boost the platform on the desktop. Not happening. I think people are finally settling on the fact that UNIX is a rock-solid server, but that doesn't necessarily make it a great desktop. Whether it's Windows or some other windowing system that wins the crown, I'm not sure, but classic UNIX is pretty much finished.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Binky The Oracle (567747) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418019)

WASHINGTON, D.C. - The National Association of Wolves, Foxes, and Stoats today announced that they would be launching a new initiative, providing security services for hen-houses and rabbit hutches nationwide.

"We're pleased to be able to expand our influence and provide this much needed security," said B. B. Wolf, the association's president-elect. "It's important to recognize that a crisis does exist, and who better to determine appropriate measures than us?"

In a separate interview, Mr. Wolf, accompanied by some of the association's external board members, forecast that given the popularity of coyotes in the western states, wolves, foxes, stoats, and coyotes would be the only mid-range predators in ten years. "Sure, you're gonna have your bears for the big stuff, and we might get some insignificant competition from barn cats and raccoons," said Wolf, "but I don't forsee any other real competition in the field other than the coyotes. And frankly... well, the coyotes show some innovation, but we really don't think they can compete on our playing field. Plus, they have fleas."

For more information on the National Association of Wolves, Foxes, and Stoats, please contact Jack Valenti, press secretary.

Note that Bill Gates got hit by an adaware... (2, Interesting)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418024)

in the CNET's News.com article:

"This malware thing is so bad," he said in a speech at the Computer History Museum here. "Now that's the one that has us really needing to jump in."

It's also a problem that has affected Gates personally. He said his home PCs have had malware, although he has personally never been affected by a virus.

"I have had malware, (adware), that crap" on some home machines, he said.

--

Heh!

Wow, talk about lack of faith. (1)

d3ity (800597) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418025)

"We ourselves are not going after...or the nuclear reactor control market..." Ahh, so even the great Bill Gates doesnt trust the stability/security of windows THAT much. I'd trust my slack box to run my reactor...now where are those dilithium crystals...

Sif (3, Interesting)

higgo6 (645437) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418032)

I would cry if mac os x died. While I think it's rather silly since more people are turning away from ms. Mac os X and linux are the OS's gaining grounds. Lest Not Forget Firefox's impact on everything!

MS doesnt need to make anti Adware products... (2, Interesting)

Viceice (462967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10418058)

Although progress is being made against spam and viruses, Gates said the adware and malware problem is getting worse.


"This malware thing is so bad," he said in a speech at the Computer History Museum here. "Now that's the one that has us really needing to jump in."

It's also a problem that has affected Gates personally. He said his home PCs have had malware, although he has personally never been affected by a virus.

"I have had malware, (adware), that crap" on some home machines, he said.


Maybe somebody ought to introduce him to Mozilla. I can say for certain that 99.99% of all Ad and MalWare infections are because of IE and ActiveX. I've not seen a pop up of a piece of crap ware for more then a year now, ever since I started using Mozilla.

Microsoft doesn't need to make anti adware products. All they need to do is either replace IE or make IE as secure as Mozilla, then keep updating it and the problem will go away. An Adware program will only add to the bloat.

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