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ladies and gentlemen.. (1, Troll)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443461)

we have a winner. I predict the DS will clobber the PSP (if it ever comes out)

This just in: (1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443529)

Ding dong! The witch is dead! More warm up in Uncle Sam's bullpen! Cartoon boogeyman to keep people scared - I believe every word 'cause the truth is too weird! Who framed Roger Rabbit? Who framed Khaddafi then blew up his kids? Nothing to do now but spill the beans! Florida: HERE I COME!

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443563)

I agree, but not because of release dates.... wasn't the PSP supposed to be released Q1 2005 anyway?

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443610)

I think it was supposed to be Q4 2004 in Japan, then Q1 2005 in the US, followed by a European launch when they can be bothered.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (-1, Troll)

drphuck (805731) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443628)

I disagree.. While the Nintendo DS will be great for kids 12 and under, the PSP will be the choice for true geeks (wifi, camera, bluetooth, oh my!)

Plus Nintendo will just end up recycling the same games they've been recycling for 20 years now... I can see it now...

Mario DS
Zelda DS
MarioKart DS
Super Metroid DS
Donkey Kong DS
Wario DS
Kirby DS
MarioPaint DS
MarioParty DS

While with the PSP, (which will use a 1.8gb optical disk), you can play games like Gran Turismo 4...Hmm, wonder what I will choose...

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443672)

I disagree.

PSP will be for all the kids who want to act older.

DS will be for everybody who is in touch with reality.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (5, Interesting)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443673)

Have you read the specs for the DS? It has wifi + chat built in to the system. And the way you're talking, the system for true geeks should be the Zodiac.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

aliens (90441) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443849)

True geeks use Zauruses.

Can't get much geekier than that :)

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

Kehvarl (812337) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443884)

Zaurii?

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (0, Troll)

squall14716 (734306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443724)

Wow, a stupid troll, imagine that.

You seem to be forgetting that many original games are in the make. You know, innovation? Just because Nintendo has a habbit of recycling games on the GBA, the only recycled games on the DS seem to be those already out for the GBA.

Plus, the DS has WiFi, and some other proprietary wireless connection, and since when was the PSP a camera? Last I checked it was just an overly expensive batter whore that tries to do too many things at once. Besides graphics, crappy batter life, lack of sidetalking (or a phone period) and Sony, what is different between this and Ngage?

Sorry, the Nintendo DS is going to kick ass, and it is at least half as costly as the PSP.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (0, Troll)

Zangief (461457) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443841)

While with the PSP, (which will use a 1.8gb optical disk), you can play games like Gran Turismo 4...Hmm, wonder what I will choose...

You will have to choose between the electric plug of your room, or the electric plug of your living room, because with only 90 minutes of battery life, your psp may go dead in any moment of your gaming.

Hey sony fanboy, give up. Nintendo designed the great product. Sony just put together some powerful hardware, praying that it would work.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

milkman_matt (593465) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443892)

Hey sony fanboy, give up. Nintendo designed the great product. Sony just put together some powerful hardware, praying that it would work.

Worked for the XBox ;)

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (2, Informative)

devmage (685080) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444064)

No the Xbox only became successful because M$ threw hundreds of millions of dollars at it till it had some sort of success. This included taking huge losses on hardware, buying up game companies and pouring the money into advertising. Devmage

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

milkman_matt (593465) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444318)

No the Xbox only became successful because M$ threw hundreds of millions of dollars at it till it had some sort of success. This included taking huge losses on hardware, buying up game companies and pouring the money into advertising. Devmage

Yup, just brute forced it in there. I was the UberSonyFanboy when I got my ps2, hated the Xbox, that POS couldn't compare.

Now I own both, use the ps2 for DVDs and a few old games that I enjoyed, everything new I get is XBox and I love the hell outta both of 'em.

I will say though, I'm impressed by the elegence of the PS2, designed their own proprietary chips and all to obtain magnificent results. I love the XBox, but they did just take a brute force approach to it. And it worked.. (IMO)

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (3, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443843)

Mario DS
Zelda DS
MarioKart DS
Super Metroid DS
Donkey Kong DS


Sign me up! Those are perhaps the five most consistently enjoyable franchises in home videogaming history and I'll gladly pay to see what new twists Nintendo manages to add to the games this time around.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Gran Turismo 4 will just be a marginal improvement on Gran Turismo 3. Increasing polygon counts is not innovation.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

TheWickedKingJeremy (578077) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443902)

Yeah but, the new GTA has like, 5 cities instead of 1!!! I'm serious! It's so fuckin awesome!

(kill me)

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

gamgee5273 (410326) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444076)

No, it's three cities. However, you do get to experience the travel between all three and, supposedly, there is going to be no noticable loading.

And on a slightly more related note: GTA Advance, set in the GTA III timeframe and Liberty City, will be released on the same day. Thus, a DS player has a GTA to look forward to, while a PSP player does not (at least not yet).

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1, Informative)

PablosBrain (71669) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444069)

With now over 500 cars and 100 tracks in Gran Turismo 4 it is more than a marginal improvement. Improvements take place in more than the "visual" appeal of a game. Games don't always need more polys to be better. The physics engine, the game play, the variation... and most of all... Gran Turismo 4 will include online play for up to 6 drivers at a time! Now that is what almost every Gran Turismo player has been waiting for!

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444176)

Unfortunately it won't [slashdot.org] have online play. As a long time GT fan, GT1 was my reason for buying PS1 and GT3 for PS2). Its funny how Sony and Polyphony Digital can hype a feature so much and just drop it all together and just squeeze money out of fans across several releases. Now PSP may be pushing back its release date as well, jeez. Unfortunately XBox 2 is starting to look like my next console purchase. But I'm sure that will be pushed back as well.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444252)

dood

online play has been axed like Louis the XV.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

yetdog (760930) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443881)

I like how you counter Nintendo's rehashing with a 3rd sequel for one of Sony's flagship games.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (4, Insightful)

magicsquid (85985) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443882)

The whole point of developing franchises is to exploit them. Nintendo definitely does it, but Sony does it too... Gran Turismo 4, Jak 3, Sly Cooper 2, Socom 2, etc.

Don't penalize Nintendo for having tons of great franchises to choose from while at the same time applauding Sony for supplying new versions of existing franchises.

If you want new games say that. If you just don't like Nintendo games, say that too.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1, Insightful)

accelleron (790268) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443631)

The PSP will still get the high end of the market, and the Nintendo the low end. As usual.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (2)

Dirk Pitt (90561) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444087)

What does that even mean? Titles for GameCube cost as much as their equivalent PS2 titles, and the hardware runs at, what, a $50 difference in price?

I own a PS2 and a gamecube, and it amazes me how many people don't give Nintendo a fair shot because of the kiddie-style animation so common to GC titles. IMHO, the gameplay of a typical original GameCube/N64 game is *far* ahead of most of the titles originating on PS2/SPS.

As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say that *Sony* gets the low end of the market, serving the least common denominator(sports game, anyone?), while Nintendo's games, while superficially more infantile, serve the high-end gamer much more consistently. Did anyone really ever consider Mario 64 or Metroid Prime a 'low-end' game?

(I guess my definition of 'high-end gamer' differes from a lot of people's. High-end games should feature the most carefully planned gameplay, not necessarily the most carefully rendered blood spatters.)

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (2, Funny)

accelleron (790268) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444360)

Nay. High-end games should feature the most carefully planned gameplay AND the most carefully rendered blood splatters.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444299)

I believe it's self-evident that this is what should happen. I see nothing redundant in it.

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443799)

"shit, crap! back to the drawing board..." -sony

Re:ladies and gentlemen.. (1)

cs02rm0 (654673) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443930)

Nah, I reckon the gimp or photoshop...

...ohhh

I haven't been keeping up, but... (2, Interesting)

Maul (83993) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443463)

What were the launch titles for this handheld supposed to be anyway?

Re:I haven't been keeping up, but... (5, Funny)

zonker (1158) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443589)

super pixelated fighter 3, long drawn out rpg XI, beatem-up-shootemup 4, basketball slammer 2005, scary things jump out at you 3: the deadening, fast swurvy car drivin' 5...

same old crap that's released on the ps2 but now its portable and will likely cost twice as much to get 'in the game'! woot! ;p

Re:I haven't been keeping up, but... (1, Troll)

drphuck (805731) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444156)

You forgot a few important Nintendo titles:

Mario, Mario Kart, Mario Paint, Mr. Mario Dress-Up, Mario Party, Mario RPG, Mario FPS, Mario RTS, Mario D&D and last but not least, The Return of Mario.

Re:I haven't been keeping up, but... (2, Interesting)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444000)

I was about to reply based on my own limited knowledge ( from reading a few magazine articles here and there ), about how Gran Turismo 4 and a bunch of other games had demoed at E3, then I realized, you know what? You should know how to use Google [google.com] by now. Jeesh.

But, since you're lazy and I'm bored of work... well, let's just say there are a very, very large number, many of which have already been seen in some sort of playable demo form, so it's less likely the release list the fact that Sony just hit all of their developers with this ( relatively ) last-minute "oh, by the way, this thing can do a lot of fancy graphics, but don't actually use those features or push the system, you have to keep your battery usage low" requirement, to which many likely said "uh, we have a problem...".

Here's just one list of PSP release games from SPOnG [spong.com] ... use my generously provided Google link for others. The list generally includes all of the big-selling PlayStation2 games, plus a few new ( mostly handheld-oriented ) games.

Re:I haven't been keeping up, but... (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444053)

that is to say, I don't think the release list of games was a problem until Sony circulated their battery usage limits.

Darn if I use preview, then don't notice my mistakes anyway. If you don't know what I'm talking about, I left a few key words out of my above post, rendering it even more senseless than usual.

There is a God (3, Funny)

delta_avi_delta (813412) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443471)

... as far as Nintendo is concerned

Re:There is a God (2, Interesting)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443504)

yea.. right.. nintendo would destroy this thing... more features, better games, and longer battery life. PSP is dead before it even came out.. it would be neat to try but i wouldn't buy one.. especially for the rumored $350.. i'd buy a ps3 instead

They can't wait... (4, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443483)

If the next gen gameboy is released first, they are doomed. Whether its technically a better system or not won't really matter. Look at the Sega handhelds. They've always been a much better product than the gameboy, but they still couldn't crack it.

Not to sound like some terrible MBA, but unless there are SERIOUS defects to the PSP, I'd try to get the jump on Nintendo, especially in the handheld market.

Re:They can't wait... (3, Interesting)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443552)

i dont think any sega handhelds were better than gameboy. I fell for the color screen.. game gear sucked batteries so quickly, you could hardly play anything. In my book, good battery life is a requirement for technical superiority.

Re:They can't wait... (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443907)

I have both an AC adapter and a car adapter for mine, which helps a whole lot.

Although, I think one big reason the Gameboy was more popular is that the Game Gear is so freaking BIG! The gameboy fit in a pocket, so it was much easier to carry around.

Re:They can't wait... (2, Informative)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443586)

Look at the Sega handhelds. They've always been a much better product than the gameboy, but they still couldn't crack it.

Sega has only released one handheld, the Gamegear.

Re:They can't wait... (2, Informative)

d3kk (644538) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443650)

Wrong. They released the Nomad in 1995, which was essentially a portable Genesis.

Re:They can't wait... (1)

HAKdragon (193605) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444352)

Crap, I had totally forgotten about the Nomad. Whoops.

Re:They can't wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443652)

Sega has only released one handheld, the Gamegear.

They also released the Nomad, a portable Genesis. Once again, battery life was a downfall.

Re:They can't wait... (1)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443658)

"Sega has only released one handheld, the Gamegear."

Sega Nomad.

Re:They can't wait... (2, Informative)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443739)

In the US they also released the Genesis (Mega Drive) Nomad, basically a portable Mega Drive. It also sucked batteries like there's no tomorrow. It apparently has a nice screen. Another high quality product from the Sega of America useless variations on the Mega Drive (sorry, Hardware Development) division.[1]

[1] Well, apart from the not-Dreamcast, which led to Sega being sued by 3DFX, and EA (a 3DFX shareholder) not making games for Dreamcast.

If it sucks, they're doomed anyway (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443597)

If they release it now... 5 titles, 90 minute battery life... Sony won't get a 2nd chance. Jay Leno will be making fun of it on his show.

Look at the n-gage. The first one sucked the weenie. The 2nd one is better, but its too late. Perception is set.

Releasing something that sucks? MS has got that angle convered. Everybody else has to make sure its correct.

Re:They can't wait... (5, Insightful)

wastingtape (576230) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443615)

I think the reason the Gamboy over took Sega as far as the handheld gaming market went was because it came bundled with Tetris. When was the last time you saw a game so accepted by such a wide range of people? Sonic while fun and exicitng, only appealed to a fraction of the age group that Tetris did. I remember being in Elementary school and having to ask for my Gameboy back from my mom (who incidentally liked the "puzzle game" on it).

I've always held that the key to any game system is the games that run on it; simple, fun, and open ended games. I think Tetris is a really good example of a hit title booming a certain market.

Re:They can't wait... (2, Insightful)

Ohm2k (262274) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443679)

How can they rush it out? The DS is looking at a Mid/late November release here in the states. Any PSP release would be rushed and lacking software for months. The psp also has a much higher price working agenst it. the DS @150 clams isn't something you plan to buy. You can walk in off the street, see it on the shelf and buy it w/o much thought. Now 250? 299? You do a little more research and ho humming and buy less software for it when you get the box from behind the counter.

First out of the gate isn't always the way to win. But First out with a low price point and good launch titles is. The big N has a stranglehold on the handheld market. And after sony attempts to crack the nut and fails I think it will be the end of the handheld war.

Then again I'm a nintendo fanboy and could very well be full of S.

Re:They can't wait... (2, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443938)

There will never be an end to the handheld war. Sooner or later, someone else will try (I'm betting on Microsoft).

Re:They can't wait... (4, Insightful)

Achoi77 (669484) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443684)

If Sony isn't worrying about it, then they definately have long term goals in mind. Besides, with that price point almost no parent is going to shell that kind of money for their 10 year old, and even the DS is somewhat getting close to the edge at $150. Everybody knows that the magic number is less than 3 digits. Perhaps sony is waiting untill manufacturing costs are low enough (in addition to all the other red tape issues, that is)?

I think the current targets sony is looking at is mostly the ipod demographic. Nice highend gear that people will not mind having. When the new revision comes out, last years model starts to trickle down to the lower end, affordable types. The trick is, if Sony is able to maintain momentum, then Nintendo is doomed forever.

Nintendo of course, will have to go with the blitz and take as much of Sony's thunder away from them before it strikes. Plus, Nintendo can also play the new revision model game as well and come out with an even cheaper DS, which will definately dominate. I'm curious how this will play out. I'm a huge nintendo fanboy (on a waitlist for the DS at a local store), but Sony's got as much of a chance as Nintendo, especially with the bankroll to back it up. We'll just have to see as it rolls out.

Re:They can't wait... (5, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443747)

The gameboy hasn't gone up against a better all around handheld. Each of it's competitors failed in an area it had covered.

Sega Gamegear: Battery life you could measure in minutes. Couldn't even get me through a lunchhour when I was in high school.

Turbo Xpress: Battery life, and cost. The thing was damn expensive. By the time it came out, TurboGrafx was dead/dying which limited its future.

Sega Nomad: Batteries, and size. Ever held one? That sucker is huge. It's worth it to a hardcore genesis fan, of course.

Atari Lynx: Poor game selection, battery life.

NeoGeo Pocket: Poor game selection, released by a dying company. Never really had a chance with GBA announced.

Wonderswan/GP32/game.com/etc: Too obscure to really mention (in north american markets, at least).

My predictions for PSP?: Battery life, load times, and fragility of the game discs will kill it. GBA carts can take a pretty good beating, and don't mind being stuffed in your back pocket all day. For that matter, neither does the SP.

Re:They can't wait... (4, Insightful)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443768)

Look at the Sega handhelds. They've always been a much better product than the gameboy, but they still couldn't crack it.

Speaking of crack, are you on it? The Game Gear was twice the form factor of the original GameBoy, used 50% more batteries and had less than half the playtime. Not to mention, Nintendo still had the Konamis and Capcoms of the world locked to exclusive contracts, while Sega had low-rent European software houses churning out mediocre ports of Genesis titles.

I owned both, and although the GameBoy had fewer colors, a lower-resolution screen, and a weaker CPU, it was still by far the more fun of the two. I think this is because the designers didn't try to make a device that was just a battery-powered version of an existing home console, but rather made a device that was specifically suited for portable gaming, even though it had fewer bells and whistles.

That's why the GameBoy family is on its nth hardware generation right now, while the Lynx, the Game Gear, the Nomad, the TurboXpress, the NeoGeo Pocket, and all the others never made it past two.

PSP battery life.... (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444148)

According to the gamasutra-news, PSP currently has 90min battery life.... Which would mean 40 or 50 minutes if you use rechargebles.
That would be even worse then the worst expectations.

But why did ANYBODY believe that just because "they are sony" they could pack that much of cpu and 3d power in a little package and expect to work it a tolerable time with a few batteries?

Re:PSP battery life.... (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444286)

"But why did ANYBODY believe that just because "they are sony" they could pack that much of cpu and 3d power in a little package and expect to work it a tolerable time with a few batteries?"

Bad question - haven't you seen the idiots jumping around and talking about how the "Cell processor" is gonna have the power of 50 Crays?

-Erwos

Re:PSP battery life.... (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444311)

Yeah. And i remember that time when they claimed that the ps2 would be so fast that every graphics workstation would look like a toy, so that they would release a professional version....

Re:They can't wait... (1)

hc00jw (655349) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444159)

I think this is because the designers didn't try to make a device that was just a battery-powered version of an existing home console, but rather made a device that was specifically suited for portable gaming, even though it had fewer bells and whistles.

And that is where the DS vs. PSP comparison is valid! The rest of your statement:

That's why the GameBoy family is on its nth hardware generation right now, while the Lynx, the Game Gear, the Nomad, the TurboXpress, the NeoGeo Pocket, and all the others never made it past two.

Do I see a trend here?

Re:They can't wait... (1)

keyne9 (567528) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443950)

> They've always been a much better product than
> the gameboy, but they still couldn't crack it.

Yes, as we all know, Gamegears had /phenominal/ battery lifespans. It was a good dydtem, but the limitations the battery/AC adapter set were unreasonable, much how the PSP sounds to be turning out.

Good for Nintendo (0, Redundant)

exhilaration (587191) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443486)

I bet Nintendo's feeling pretty good about the DS [slashdot.org] right about now.

Linux (-1, Redundant)

Alosja (787167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443492)

Will it run Linux ?? And imagine a beowulf cluster of these :)

Hmm.... (5, Interesting)

Benw5483 (731259) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443495)

Could the real reason be that they don't want to directly compete with Nintendo's cheaply priced handheld or even that they don't want to draw sales away from their new PS2 model?

Seems like Sony didn't think too far ahead when they planned on releasing this in Q4 2004.

Re:Hmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443948)

...or even that they don't want to draw sales away from their new PS2 model?

PS2 IS the model...

Would you say that Ford wants to bring out the new 2002 model Mustang in 2005?

Re:Hmm.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444070)

Read this. [slashdot.org]

Re:Hmm.... (1)

Benw5483 (731259) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444154)

Oh i'm sorry, PStwo. Happy now?

Re:Hmm.... (4, Interesting)

Chris_Jefferson (581445) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444181)

Or could this be exactly the same as the PS1 vs. saturn and PS2 vs. dreamcast, where people won't buy the currently out console because Sony swears that any days now they'll have "The greatest thing that ever happened in your life, ever" (anyone remember the 'emotion engine'?) coming out "any day now", which just continues slipping further and further back?

I'm not a Sony hater, but I would have expected people to have spotted the pattern by now..

DS (2, Interesting)

Mike Rubits (818811) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443499)

Could this be one of the first nails in the coffin for the PSP, with the DS beating it to market by several months? In the console market, the PS2 was able to gain a huge advantage by being first out. This could be crippling for the PSP if Nintendo plays their cards right.

2005 should be an interesting year for handhelds.

Re:DS (1)

wastingtape (576230) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443661)

Those early PS2's and thier disk problems left a sour taste in my mouth though. True, the extra year did allow a host more games to be developed than any other platform (a lot of which are crap), but was it worth the cost of leaving the first year of adoptors shy of new Sony consoles? PS3? I'll wait and see what fun technical problems people have and maybe consider a 4th or 5th generation console...

Re:DS (0)

drphuck (805731) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443683)

I don't think it'll be a nail in the coffin for Sony. All my friends and I are waiting for the PSP to come out so we can play each other via wifi or bluetooth. We could care less about the Nintendo DS (after all, we're all older then 21 now and playing Mario just doesn't cut it any more)

Re:DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444290)

"after all, we're all older then 21 now and playing Mario just doesn't cut it any more"

WTF?!? Is there an age limit on playing Mario games now? I'm 26 and I think Mario games wipe the floor with the kind of crap you'll most likely be playing on your PSP.

Re:DS (2, Informative)

alphaseven (540122) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443743)

In the console market, the PS2 was able to gain a huge advantage by being first out.

On the other hand, the Dreamcast came out before the PS2 and was doing okay at first till the PS2 came out. And the SNES was successful despite the Genesis having a big head start. In consoles being first isn't a guarantee of success. Still, I think the DS is looking good.

Not supprised (5, Insightful)

lightdarkness (791960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443503)

Not supprising at all that it was delayed. Companies set really early release dates to stir up hype, then push them back a little, because they arn't done; People don't mind either because they are used to delays.

Re:Not suprised (1)

astrokid (779104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443633)

I agree. It comes as no suprise to me that the PSP has been delayed. I am looking forward to Sony slowly putting out press releases touting how great their technology will be compared to the DS.

More Hype and FUD will follow from their lead engineers and Marketing Depts.

I'm hoping consumers will smarten up this time but unfortunately it'll probably be like the the Dreamcast situation all over again.

eh, whatever works.

Well (3, Funny)

bigtangringo (800328) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443511)

Can't say much about game title weakness, Sony tends to be pretty strong there. Maybe they should dump some cash into the research of those nuclear batteries?

Good! (3, Funny)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443516)

Lets me recover from the financial hit that is the Dual Screen...

Much Needed Delay (1, Redundant)

VGMSupreme (228396) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443561)

Well, we prettymuch new this was going to happen. At least they are looking into the battery life issue, and it is a major concern if your portable handheld is only expected to last ~90 with it burning right through your hands ("Transisters running hot", according to the article).

They need this thing to be delayed, to fix all of this problems, before releasing it to the general masses. We would prefer a working system for us to use and play with, instead of one with the heat of a thousand suns and a lifespand of a fruitfly.

You can't win with the /. crowd sometimes (5, Interesting)

SansTinfoilHat (759207) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443627)

If they were to rush out a product simply to come to market at the same time as the DS, you all would accuse them of underhanded tactics to flood the market with an unfinished product.

And if you RTFA you will see: "the securities firm expects the handheld 'to launch later than the current March 2005 expectation". It was already going to be a 2005 launch, now it will just be a Christmas season launch. I'd rather have a good system a year from now than a poorly designed system right now. Of course, Nintendo chose the other route with the GBA, releasing a barely playable system as soon as they could and then a vastly superior GBA SP a year(ish) later.

Better product = We all win.

Re:You can't win with the /. crowd sometimes (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443847)

There was nothing wrong with the original GBA, I'd hardly call it "barely playable". And it wasn't rushed to market, there was no need. They delayed it forever, offering up the GB Color as a stop-gap. I remember reading about the next-gen gameboy before the N64 came out.

The SP wasn't a year later, either, it was more like 2, even 3.

The SP is much better, no doubt. It also cost (and still does) twice as much. But the backlit display just wasn't practical with the original, and that was it's only shortcoming.

Though, it's only a shortcoming in retrospect. Gameboy or Gameboy Color never had or needed a backlit display.

Re:You can't win with the /. crowd sometimes (1)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444304)

It's barely playable. I don't know what they were smoking when they released it without a backlight. There's one spot in my house where I can comfortably use the GBA.

Why wasn't it practical to have a backlight? Aftermarket added one with no problems (Afterburner)

The SP is not twice as much

GBA - $49.99
SP - $79.99

Not Quite (1)

astrokid (779104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443886)

I think the submitter was reffering to the fact that the PSP is going to miss it's original launch date of December 2004 in Japan. Which is very possible.

The launch date for the American market is also in question, the year for the luanch should still be 2005 however, so you are correct. Launching a system with no blockbuster titles would be a very big mistake, look at the launch the xbox in America compared to the one in Japan. I believe the more successful launch over here was due to Halo and nothing else, the Japanese launch had nothing (or atleast, nothing they cared about).

Re:You can't win with the /. crowd sometimes (1)

CaptMonkeyDLuffy (623905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443916)

GBA barely playable? Only major complaint I've ever heard about the original GBA was the lack of a backlight, and frankly I've always personally considered that complaint to be incredibly overblown.

Maybe I'm just lucky and have oddly good vision, but having played through quite a few GBA games(many of which with dark color schemes and the like), only Castlevania: Circle of the Moon had any visibility problems. I'm curious, given my own experience, why there have been such harsh complaints about the original GBA's visibility... Is my vision just oddly tuned such that it isn't a problem for me? Do people like to complain and make a mountain out of a molehill? Was C:CotM so popular that the poor contrast in its color scheme choice got blamed on the GBA's screen?

Re:You can't win with the /. crowd sometimes (2, Interesting)

Cowclops (630818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444057)

I never saw so much whining about the screen when GBC came out.

GBC HAS THE EXACT SAME SCREEN! (Just fewer pixels).

So yeah, its definitely strange that so many people are complaining about it because it didn't really take THAT much light to get a good image. The reflective TFT in that sure beats the crap out of the transmissive TFT in earlier systems like Game Gear.

You may very well be right about the point on people assuming CotM was represenative of the system's contrast on the whole. I found it to be quite enjoyable, but if thats the only game you have you might be inclined to say "jeeze this sucks" and give it to your little brother/cousin/dog.

I've got Mega Man Zero and that game I think has pretty damn good graphics. I don't play GBA much and I don't have a lot of games, but MMZ was very entertaining (and fuckin HARD).

As a loyal nintendo fan, I have one word for you: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443632)

Yaaaaahooooooooaaaa!

this just in, video games rarely make deadlines (1)

netsavior (627338) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443766)

never seen a system or game that made the original release date...

Game Titles? (1)

Dante Shamest (813622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443831)

I'm taking a long shot here but... New PSP - Final Fantasy [Insert Number] [Insert Fantasy Title] New Gameboy - Pokemon [Insert Name of some Gem]: Gotta catch them all! - Zelda [Insert Mythical Title]

Since when (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10443857)

did battery problems ever stop sony from releasing an alkaline gobbling device? Remeber the first walkman!?

Reversal of fortunes (3, Interesting)

celerityfm (181760) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443869)

So what your saying here is that instead of the usual Sony releases first, followed by a more powerful Nintendo product (Playstation, N64 and PS2/Gamecube)-- we now have Nintendo releasing hardware first followed by SONY'S more powerful product (DS/PSP).

So, will Nintendo's head start here give them the same benefits that Sony had from their head start? Or are the PSP and DS so different from each other that they aren't competing for the same gaming dollars? Or both?

Re:Reversal of fortunes (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443917)

There is no trend here, because the Gamecube is less powerful than the PS2. It's big upside was that it is a lot easier to develop for than the PS2.

Re:Reversal of fortunes (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443953)

How's the GameCube less powerful?

Where's PS2's HDTV video modes?

Re:Reversal of fortunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444316)

PS2 supports HDTV, the latest model of Cubes, dont.

Re:Reversal of fortunes (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444342)

How's the GameCube less powerful?
The PS2 just has a lot of hardware. 3 vector FPUs, 16-pipeline graphics unit, graphics memory connected via a 2048-bit bus, etc. It's total geometry rate is twice as much as the Gamecubes, and it's fill rate is four times as much. It's just much harder to program for than either the GC or the XBox.

Re:Reversal of fortunes (1)

xaqar (112761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444054)

If only I had whatever it is you are smoking...have you ever played both of these systems? In almost every case the Gamecube's games look better than the PS2. Hell, I'd pit a Dreamcast against a PS2 any day. Most PS2 games are a blurry muddy mess compared to what the Gamecube can put out. A similar (although less extreme) comparison can be made from the Gamecube to the X-Box. Just because Sony told you that their machine's Emotion Engine chip is the be all and end all of graphics of this generation doesn't make it true.

Re:Reversal of fortunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444243)

*snicker*

Yeah, well, if the stars align just right, and the magical 'perfect coders' produce the almighty 'holy program,' this card board box is even more powerful than the PS2!

Yes, the PS2 is a bitch to program for, but forever touting this 'It's more powerful, people just haven't unlocked its true potential' excuse is getting a little old. Even if there is any truth to the 'unlocked potential' argument, one has to come to the realization that if you can throw the best and the brightest in the industry at the problem for years, and they still can't unlock that 'potential' then the potential is useless. Sure there is a pot of gold behind that locked door, but if you can't unlock the door it doesn't matter.

What really matters are the graphics in the games available... And from what I've seen, the PS2 doesn't measure up to the hype. The graphics beat out the Dreamcast. Barely. Against the XBox and Gamecube, it becomes rapidly apparent that the PS2 is a far older console.

Who's killing it? (1)

Axem (713217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443923)

I think this asks a question, who's killing it more? Sony, or the media?

It looks like Sony is killing it on one hand by boasting the features of the PSP, bar one (Battery Life).

The media is, forgive me for using this just made up word, "N-Gaging" it. Giving it tons of bad press, so much that by launch time it'll be a laughing stock. Now I know it won't go as far as the N-Gage, but so far the "big" press the PSP has been getting is Low Battery Life, and Huge Cost. Doesn't sound too good, does it?.

However, I don't think the PSP will not fail, because Sony has their name behind them (plus re-re-releases of so many cut down PS2 hits). So far just about every comment I've read in this discussion says the PSP will fail. However that's only the opinions of, what, 30 people? I don't think the market is depending on those 30 people to buy their product. How much of this stuff actually makes it to the mainstream consumer?

All of this being said, I don't like Sony, I'm a big Nintendo fan. And I can't wait for the DS, so I can "touch" [vgcats.com] it...

*GASP* (4, Funny)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 9 years ago | (#10443925)

An electronics device that is also part of the video game industry ... DELAYED!?! How can this be!

Seriously.

Batteries And GT for PSP (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444081)

Hmm it seems to me that there are two big reasons for pushing the PSP back into 2006. The first is battery life as many here have already noted. Given recent news about Sony's instructions to developers with respect to battery life and now this possible delay, I'd say this is serious. A wild guess would be that so far they haven't been able to get at least 3 hours out of the thing.

The second thing is the whole Gran Turismo mess. Most recently, it was announced that GT 4 for the PS2 would be released without online multiplayer. Problems with the online component are widely believed to be the cause of the delay of GT 4. Well, if one assumes significant overlap in the GT 4 and GT for PSP teams and perhaps a shared codebase, then problems for one means problems for the other. I think GT was to be a launch title for the PSP. More wild speculation might suggest that there was supposed to be some connectivity between the formerly online enabled GT 4 and the PSP version. Again this is complete speculation!

Finally, GT for PSP was supposed to be a port of GT for PS2. Well given the high level of detail in GT graphics, physics modelling and AI, you can bet GT on PSP really sucked the batteries dry in short order. These are all guesses of course, but if any of this is true, they'll need some time to sort it all out.

Play Now or Play Later (ever?) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444127)

Sony did this mess with the PS2. They promised the PS2 for years and delayed and delayed. People didn't buy the Dreamcast because the PS2 was right around the corner when, in fact, it was still a year away. That whole year, gamers missed out on a whole slew'a GREAT games because they were already hooked on the vaporish PS2 which, once it launched, took another year before it had anything halfway decent. More than two years of gamer's time was wasted while they waited on Sony to get their act together.

I'm not gonna waste my game time.

I'm gettin' a Nintendo DS. It is cheap, affordable and available in November. I am not going to wait another year or more for some vapor that is "right around the corner" while Sony gets its act together. That whole time the Sony fanboys are pining over their handheld system and playing on their underpowered PS2, I'll be playing AWESOME Nintendo games on my DS on the subway wirelessly with other DS owners.

WTF? (1)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444170)

Why do you guys ride on such a big FUD issued by those clueless 'analysts'? RTFA, nothing is confirmed at all. Only 2 firms sent clueless words to get attention. If it's Linux related, you'll run to guess who funds those firms, but browsing posts above ecstatic fanbois quickly filled there apparently.

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444257)

Since when do slashdotters care about the facts?

People here contradict them selves all day and then expect you to take them seriously.

delayed? (1)

aonaran (15651) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444209)

When was PSP's release moved up to 2004?

I thought it was always 2005.

Paint Shop Pro delayed?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10444259)

What?? You mean Paint Shop Pro has been delayed?? Does that mean I have to pay for Photoshop now?

Right in time for DS2... (1)

inkdesign (7389) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444285)

This is a major plus for Nintendo if it is the case that PSP doesn't launch until late 2005. Not because the DS will be established in the market by then, but because Nintendo will just be putting the finishing touches on the DS "sp" which will play DS games and bring the platform to PSP quality graphics for new games. Either way, Sony will be in some trouble launching so late.

Nothing to see... (5, Insightful)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#10444328)

Does anyone realize there is absolutely nothing new here of any substance? Some nitwit at TGS reporting that demo builds (read: months old) aren't done, and that some other launch titles aren't showing?!

FUD about battery life "problems". Sony has said from day 1 that developers shouldn't stream content. This should be obvious to everybody!

The real issue here is that Sony just isn't saying anything. See, the media gets nervous when there is no news... since that's their job. So they have to make up the news. Except that Sony has done an excellent job about keeping their secrets, so this is what we get. Rumors and hunches.

Trust me, you'll know more when Sony marketing deems it exactly the right moment.

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