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SUSE 9.2 Released

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the lizardly dept.

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peterprior writes "Novell have issued a press release announcing SUSE Linux 9.2. The new version comes with kernel 2.6, KDE 3.3, Gnome 2.6 and features (amongst other things) enhanced wireless support as well as Evolution 2.0 with Groupwise / Exchange connectivity. The WYSIWYG web development tool Nvu is also included. The new release is expected to hit the retail shelves in early November."

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Wireless (5, Interesting)

jeffkjo1 (663413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450225)

But will it work natively (read: no ndiswrapper) with my Linksys WMPP54G wireless card (stinkin Broadcom chipset.)???

Re:Wireless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450260)

no

Re:Wireless (1, Informative)

hufnmouth (742218) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450354)

Actually yes, But you have to recompile the kernel. Note: It doesn't install with less than 256 MB RAM and doesn't work well with less than 512 MB RAM.

Re:Wireless (4, Funny)

blowdart (31458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450488)

512Mb of RAM to make it useful? That's taking being a Windows replacement a bit too far.

Re:Wireless (1, Insightful)

drwho (4190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450708)

Won't install with less than 256MB of ram? This is ridiculous! Someone needs to come out with a distribution that doesn't try to sell new hardware, but has the user in mind, who was perfectly fine with his old system but doesn't feel comfortable running an OS that isn't actively maintained. I used to feel that Debian was that, but they can't manage to get Atheros and Prism2 wireless support in their mainstream releases that will install in 32mb of ram (yea, I want to turn old machines into access points. Yeah, I know I can use pebble. But there are reasons I don't want to). Maybe slackware does this, I don't know...bute S.u.S.E. certainly is too fat for me to love. Babe, you need to go on a diet...

Exchange ? (5, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450240)

I guess this one very feature might begin to frighten Microsoft : it's remained their most private app for a long time...

Re:Exchange ? (5, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450313)

Why? I'm sure they love OSS exchange clients. They don't have to support it, and the per-seat licensing revenue for Exchange server comes in either way. Businesses can superficially "switch" to linux on all the desktops, and they can still charge per-seat in the backend.

Why is this so? Because "IT" dopes are ass backwards. They put linux on the desktop and MS in the server room.

Re:Exchange ? (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450416)

Give me a replacement for Exchange that has group calandering, shared folders, works seemlessly with Outlook as well as an open client and doesn't have an ugly front end like Groupwise or Notes and I'll be sure to check it out. The truth is there isn't one out there that doesn't cost at least as much as Exchange does. So there is little incentive to go through the expense, pain, and risk of migrating.

Re:Exchange ? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450602)

I worked for a while at a bank that used HP OpenMail as their back end, and that worked well. I believe the per-seat licensing is substantially lower than Exchange.

Re:Exchange ? (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450605)

Take a look at this. Wanted to replace my company's Exchange box with this but Kerio doesn't support Blackberries.

Re:Exchange ? (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450475)

Try finding a free (and working) open source plugin to connect Outlook to an Open Source Exchange replacement. Give me the URL if you ever do.

Re:Exchange ? (4, Interesting)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450692)

A lot of people give me a hard time because I sell people Dell servers with Red Hat Enterprise 3 on them as their back-end and Dell desktops running Windows as the clients.

My clients love it -- they get a desktop they recognize and the stability of a Linux server while not paying licensing to Microsoft for anything beyond the Dell MS tax.

For what its worth, yes, some of them even run Open Office on Windows.

Re:Exchange ? (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450761)

Businesses can superficially "switch" to linux on all the desktops, and they can still charge per-seat in the backend.
But then Microsoft charges 200 [microsoft.com] and 400 [microsoft.com] USD less.

Re:Exchange ? (1)

michael path (94586) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450366)

If I remember correctly, the Exchange compatibility is only there if Outlook Web Access is turned on.

It's still an amazing feature, and could be an Outlook replacement - but it doesn't make use of the more closely guarded RPCs/caching/etc. that an Outlook/Exchange combo uses.

Re:Exchange ? (4, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450371)

It is indeed. I think many here overlook the influence exchange servers have had on the desktop. The Outlook - Exchange combo makes a formidable partnership. I know Outlook gets a lot of grief here but it is an excellent email client and PIM, and capable of almost infinite extension, its easy to start building workflow and management systems on top of them, a feature which proved extremely attractive to the enterprise.

Re:Exchange ? (2, Interesting)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450400)

This is an interesting point because while most people say the Office (word, excel, access, and so on) are M$'s cash cow, truth is the only real reason that Enterprise stays with M$ is Exchange.

SATA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450254)

Last time I tried to use SUSE ?9.2?, as a dual boot I was given a rather dire warning that it needed to wip my SATA drive before it could use it. Some may see this as a benefit of course.

However, does anyone know what the situation is like now?

Re:SATA? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450356)

Not only did I need to whip my SATA, but also my DVD, HDA, HDB, HDC and FD0! In fact, I've found that all my hardware is better behaved with a DAILY whipping!

Hold on, its not released yet (5, Informative)

eGuy (545520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450263)

Articles I've read say that it will be released in November. But it does sound nice :) Here are some of the articles: vnunet [vnunet.com] tectonic [tectonic.co.za] linuxelectrons [linuxelectrons.com]

Re:Hold on, its not released yet (1)

dubdays (410710) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450279)

That's what I was thinking. I just checked the suse ftp site, and it's not there. Usually, suse releases the boxed version first, and then releases it via ftp a few weeks later.

Re:Hold on, its not released yet (3, Informative)

media_Assassin (176375) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450292)

... which everyone would know, if they only RTFA ...

"Novell today announced the November availability of SUSE® LINUX Professional 9.2, providing Linux newcomers and enthusiasts with the latest advancements in open source technology.

Re:Hold on, its not released yet (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450540)

Kinda odd, I agree. I was wondering how they managed to get so ahead of everyone else on the release schedule.

Looks like a good release for the KDE fans, but I'll be waiting for Fedora Core 3 myself... gotta love Gnome 2.8.

-Erwos

Gnome and KDE? (5, Interesting)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450270)

I've never tried SuSE Linux after it was acquired by Novell (who also owns Ximian). A lot of people have said SuSE is KDE-centric, but now that Novell has put a KDE team and a GNOME team under one roof, is the Linux desktop experience more "unified"? When Redhat tried to unify the desktops, there was a backlash of sorts... but I haven't heard from SuSE. How does the SuSE desktop feel, in both KDE and GNOME modes?

Re:Gnome and KDE? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450293)

How does the SuSE desktop feel, in both KDE and GNOME modes?

From my experience with 9.1, the free downloadable ISO image only includes KDE. You have to install GNOME by ftp from their web site if you want it. Given that this would have been over a modem for me, I didn't bother...

Re:Gnome and KDE? (1)

b0neDaddy (733083) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450305)

AFAIK KDE is still very much the same as in previous versions. There's gnot much of a gnomish feel.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (2, Interesting)

Jahf (21968) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450379)

Gnot yet, but expect that to change when they have Novell Linux 10 completed (probably another quarter or so) and the Ximian products are integrated with the SuSE distribution.

Screenshots of Novell Linux 10 have been primarily using a Ximian-like GNOME desktop. It appears that while KDE will continue to get development, the "face" of Novell Linux will be the Ximian product.

That makes sense given how much influence the Ximian employees have retained in Novell's Linux decision making process.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450460)

Without screenshots, this is such an obvious troll.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450512)

> but expect that to change

Says who? Somebody who's read many interviews with Nat&Miguel?

> how much influence the Ximian employees have

As least as much as the noticeably larger SUSE?

There's a difference between "I think it will be that way" and "it will be that way".

Just FYI it's said that during the install of Novell Linux Desktop no desktop will be preselected and one will have to choose the desktop.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (0, Redundant)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450373)

Wasn't Novell bought out by IBM(?) several weeks ago? I guess they have a roof large enough to cover quite a few beasts.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (1)

christopher240240 (633932) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450515)

No

Re:Gnome and KDE? (1)

AstroDrabb (534369) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450414)

IMO SuSE has always favored KDE. I personally like Gnome better. For example, this latest version of SuSE/Novell has the latest version of KDE (3.3), while it has an older version of Gnome (2.6) instead of the newest 2.8. Maybe 2.8 wasn't ready in time for the release? Gnome 2.8 has some really nice new features, so I probably won't be trying this version of SuSE. I have been using Fedora Core since it first came out and have kept my eye on SuSE to try it out. However I don't think that day will come if Novell/SuSE are always a version behind in Gnome.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450459)

When Redhat tried to unify the desktops, there was a backlash of sorts.

Wow, dude, what drugs are you on? Redhat never gave the support to KDE that it did to Gnome.
It always required a highly informed decision to even get KDE installed from a Redhat distribution.

The dumb-ass default always got you Gnumb-Gnuts-Gnome.

Re:Gnome and KDE? (4, Interesting)

IceFox (18179) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450461)

Well although you couldn't tell it here on slashdot
1) The gnome and kde developers arn't arch enemies.
2) Distros that want more users want both desktops.

What does this mean? A lot of colaberation, quite a bit through freedeskop.org. Little things like all my gnome apps now show up in the kde start menu without any effort on my part are a big deal (and vice versa). Everyone understands that the better the two desktops behave together (not code wise, but behavior wise) the more the user wins.

One neat project which I don't think (might be wrong) anyone is working on right now is a common icon set. When gnome or kde load up the icon "cut" it should be the same. Help create an icon set (without a slant to the current gnome or kde) and then get it in freedesktop.org and I bet you that distros would adopt it. If you are interested in helping with this or other colaberation projects head over to freedesktop.org.

Some other ones that would be nice to have:
-A common bookmark and cookie storage standard (way to many browsers these days)
-Along with a common icon set, a standard for the default toolbar format (size, and with or without text and text placement)

Down the road expect distros to be less and less KDE or Gnome only.

-Benjamin Meyer

SUSE (5, Interesting)

stateofmind (756903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450273)

I love SUSE. :) But wow, I've never seen Nvu before, it looks like it could go head-to-head with Dreamweaver?

Has anyone used Nvu in a production enviroment and/or used Dreamweaver as well? I'd like to know how your experience was, versus the two of them.

I already have the majority of the programming team using SUSE for Java development. I'd like to move over our developers. (they build out HTML/JSP/PHP pages for us and the designers)

The only thing stopping them is, is their love of Dreamweaver. (Which I've never liked, it's a resource hog)

Josh

Re:SUSE (1)

jd142 (129673) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450479)

While good, Nvu does not have some of the advanced features of DW, such as templating with restricted areas. That being said, most of that advanced stuff probably shouldn't be used by most people since it makes for overly coded pages.

lack of templates == dealkiller (1)

mckwant (65143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450589)

We've got a relatively disparate group of "web developers," who are, at least partially, retrained admin assistants. I know, I'm not happy about it either, but without the restricted areas, our web page would return to the mishmash of styles that these people think "look good."

Seriously, one of my guys REALLY loves orange text. It's just not gonna happen.

We'd love to move off of DW, as we're getting tired of some of its odd quirks. Anybody got any OSS recommendations? I'm all ears.

Re:SUSE (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450482)

I'd suggest you give quanta a try, it's much more mature than nvu. While nvu is pretty nice for building your personal web page if you don't know html or just want to get it done fast, imho the project is still to young to compete with dreamweaver. But it's certainly getting there.

Btw., just thought I'd mention that Lindows is behind the development of nvu and that the chief developer for it is the guy who developed mozilla composer (on which nvu is based).

Re:SUSE (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450554)

I've used it for a little bit of simple web stuff, but AFAIK, it's not Dreamweaver yet.

However, if you want to just get some pages together to then use to build some pages with PHP in them later, it's not bad.

Anyway, it's free, so who's complaining? ;)

Re:SUSE (1)

AaronGTurner (731883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450597)

For non-flashy bread-and-butter web pages, assuming you control the server environment, you are better off with something like LAMP and Zope,CMF and Plone on top. Very easy to use, extensible, etc., and you can change content from any architecture machine or browser (pretty much) as a client.

If you want lots of flashy graphics and flash animation, Zope is not the best route, though.

Re:SUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450723)

And why exactly do you need Apache, MySQL, and PHP to run Zope, the CMF, and Plone? These are python based, provide their own server, and utilize ZODB for storage.

-Kevin

Crossover Office (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450608)

Here [codeweavers.com]

Need I say more :) ?

Available in November??? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450289)

Where's the torrent? I want my copy NOW!!!!

(Novel isn't quite in touch with the Linux crowd, is it?)

X.org (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450297)

"The X.Org Foundation's new X Window System X11R.6.8.1..."

Will this include the new Composite and XDamage extensions?

Which version of 2.6??? (5, Interesting)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450300)

I certainly hope it's not that 2.6.8 kernel that keeps you from using your CD-Burner!!! [plainblack.com] . Scroll down a few news items and you'll see what I mean.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (1)

TelevisioSledgicus (530758) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450429)

Hopefully SuSE will have patched that during their customization of the kernel. Someone with more motivation than myself might want to double check with them before they go to the presses.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (1)

skyshock21 (764958) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450489)

Supposedly in Gentoo you can fix this issue by downloading and installing the latest ck-sources. I tried doing this, but I must've messed something up because the issue was still there. I switched over to the 2.6.7 kernel, and it worked FLAWLESSLY. None of those BS mounting/access "security" issues with using my CD-burner.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (2, Informative)

Hockney Twang (769594) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450443)

From the press release: "SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 core technology includes the new enhanced Linux kernel 2.6.8"

So, yeah, that version.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450522)

Hey, SuSE always patched the vanilla kernel with tons of patches, enhancements, flavours. And since they belong to Novell, I kind of got interested in SuSE, there could be some efficient result coming out of this merge. Though before their Novell times I always diskliked the distro, but it's kind of getting mature. I wouldn't worry about trivial problems at this release.

I mean I guess so :) Maybe I should just give it a shot again, since my debian-centralization has it's disadvantages as well.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (4, Interesting)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450548)

That's just FUD. I use 2.6.8.1 at home right now with Fedora Core 2 and it runs cdrecord and cdrecord-ProDVD fine on my combo DVD/CD burner.

For what its worth, I compile my own kernel with my own options, but no patches applied.

Also, it runs Wine fine, and I play Morrowind regularly with it.

Re:Which version of 2.6??? (1)

rudolfel (700883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450635)

my 2.6.8 kernel doesn't keep me from using my cdburner ;-)
Maybe yours is broken :-)

Personal Edition? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450329)

German news sites heise and pro-linux are claiming that Suse will not release a personal edition this time.

However, it doesn't seem to be clear yet, if Suse will just not release a boxed version of the personal edition, or if they even stop the distribution of the personal edition iso for free downloads.

Any infos?

there will be no personal any more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450481)

their official main shop/store in germany is:

www.edv-buchversand.de.

they clearly state on their page:
http://www.edv-buchversand.de/suse/92/index2.html [edv-buchversand.de]
at the very bottom:

[quote]
Eine Personal-Edition gibt es seit Version 9.2 nicht mehr!
[/quote]

translate that to english or whatever your language is and you will be enlightened

Re:there will be no personal any more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450527)

Thanks, but that still doesn't answer my question if they will offer it for download.

As I said, it's clear that they won't have a boxed version of the personal edition.

Well, you know smth is out of sync... (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450339)

... when they only mention the desktop features of a release and non of the server-side features. Like - what DBMS's are included and stuff. I guess that either Linux really done it on the desktop, or Win2k(3) completely filled up the server niche, or it's just slashdot.

Re:Well, you know smth is out of sync... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450450)

Because servers is not the emphasis of this release? That's what SLES 9 is for...

WTF ? Released ? (5, Informative)

rainer_d (115765) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450345)

It's a paper lauch !
Currently, it's as much "released" as Longhorn.

The correct headline would have said "SuSE 9.2 announced", or sometime like that.

Rainer

Re:WTF ? Released ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450588)

SuSE 9.2 went gold. Should they wait to announce the release until after the supply pipeline is full? SuSE 9.2 exists and will be available in November. Longhorn lacks a definition much less a feature set or a release date.

NOOO!!!! (3, Funny)

Dante Shamest (813622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450351)

I just installed SUSE 9.1 !!!!!! =O

Re:NOOO!!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450377)

And as we all know, once 9.2 hits the shelves it will become instantly unusable.

Announced, not released (3, Informative)

fstrauss (78250) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450365)

The title should read
SUSE 9.2 Announced

It's due for release early November

Novell buying SuSE could be the best thing for SuS (2, Insightful)

ShatteredDream (636520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450367)

Under Novell's leadership they released the first free version of SuSE on ISO that I can ever recall hearing about. Before that I didn't know anyone who gave SuSE the time of day because they were the only vendor that was remotely popular without free CD images. Now, SuSE has the chance to actually gain marketshare against RedHat and force them to work harder on Fedora.

Re:Novell buying SuSE could be the best thing for (2, Informative)

MKalus (72765) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450556)

Up until Version 7 they had ISO images available. They changed their policy because they wanted / needed the revenue, and in essence there is nothing wrong with it, now is there?

I bought 9.1 and I might download the 9.2 iso and upgrade, we'll see when the time comes.

I hope they've fixed... (1)

boy_afraid (234774) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450383)

1) Software RAID for VIA VT8237 so you can see the Windows partition from Linux while running RAID 0.
2) Getting VMWare and Superkaramba working fine without crashing.

I've switched from Mandrake to Suse and I'm happy. I'm in love with Yast!

Currently, I'm running Suse 9.1 Professional AMD64.

Re:I hope they've fixed... (1)

fitten (521191) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450441)

Just another ++ for SuSE 9.1 Professional AMD64. I run it as well.

released? my ass! announced. learn english first! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450386)

slashdot m0r0n p0sters learn a few basic english words and their meanings first, before p0st0ring to slashdot main page stories.

jeeebuz craizzt. the pressrelease has been released, but not the pice of software.

GNOME 2.8? (2, Insightful)

codergeek42 (792304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450413)

I'm just wondering why, with Evoltuion 2.0, they're shipping GNOME 2.6, rather than GNOME 2.8, which has much better MIME-type handlingand is smoother and more integrated as a DE...

Re:GNOME 2.8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450521)

Because Gnome 2.8 was too late to be extensively tested and debugged. Personally, I think it was even a bad idea to ship with KDE 3.3, I'm experiencing still a lot of bugs in KDEPim with CVS KDE_3_3_BRANCH of two weeks ago...

Re:GNOME 2.8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450566)

> MIME-type handlingand is smoother and more integrated as a DE...

Care to explain how GNOME 2.8 is more integrated than GNOME 2.6 ? The only technical changes that happened were indeed the MIME-type handling and a Spatial/Navigational button on Nautilus. Most of the CVS modules have only seen a version bump from 2.6 to 2.8 (e.g. not being changed for many months except the bumping of version numbers).

SuSE was better some time ago... (3, Informative)

fionbio (799217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450420)

I've started using SuSE in 2000 when I was in Germany. My previous distro was RH, which deeply offended me by shipping broken gcc 2.96 (and refusing to adopt KDE for a while before that). I was impressed by SuSE's stability/quality, a nice feature of being able to save a list of selected packages in the middle of installation (IIRC), and also the fact that my old scanning prog kscan was included in Alpha section (I was far from being a good C++ programmer when I wrote it...)

Now I see an unpleasant tendency of including prerelease software in SuSE. As far as I remember, they were shipping a prerelease gcc 3.3, which caused problems with my (in-house) project and some prerelease of X11. Overall quality of the distro degraded. Also, I just don't get why they have Qt compiled with -DQT_NO_STL. As result, C++ programs that use STL have problems with system's Qt/KDE. This doesn't save memory/improve performance/etc., gcc shipped with SuSE has no problems with STL - so why?

I don't know whether SuSE is improving or getting worse now, as I'm currently deeply buried in .NET brain damage stuff. But next time when I'll be able to work under Linux most of time, I think I'll switch to something like Gentoo.

Re:SuSE was better some time ago... (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450533)

Now I see an unpleasant tendency of including prerelease software in SuSE. As far as I remember, they were shipping a prerelease gcc 3.3, which caused problems with my (in-house) project and some prerelease of X11.

I didn't experience this, cause I upgraded straight from 7.x to 9.1, which has a fairly standard gcc 3.3.3.

Re:SuSE was better some time ago... (1, Troll)

drunkahol (143049) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450644)

Deep offense???

Unless they shat in your shoe or pissed in your beer , I find it hard to understand your deep offense.

You may have been pissed off - or even slightly irked. But "deeply offended"??? Give us a break.

I've told you a million times not to exagerate.

deep offense (1)

fionbio (799217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450732)

I said it figurativelly. Shipping a compiler that ICEs is like figurativelly pissing in my beer.

i hate that novel logo on their box now... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450426)

.... its too red, too novell and too communistic.

uhm.. well wait then again.... linux and open source was all about communism.

so that logo probably fits all rite.

but take a look at redhat. its even in their name. red communistic software. somebody please call mccarthy _now_

hurry, pleeeze, make them comies go away to guantanamo and abu-gureib.

im sacred.

Re:i hate that novel logo on their box now... (1)

lanc (762334) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450727)


Have you ever heard of the Red Flag [redflag-linux.com] distrib?

Go, hide yourself.

No Ximian?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450446)

I thought 9.2 was supposed to include Ximian as the standard desktop ??

Confused.

Re:No Ximian?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450496)

> I thought 9.2 was supposed to include Ximian as the standard desktop ??

Stop thinking it seem to confuse you. No company would be so braindead like SUN or RED HAT to offer GNOME for their customers.

Re:No Ximian?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450557)

What is the point of Novell owning SuSe and Ximian and not integrating them?

Re:No Ximian?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450617)

> What is the point of Novell owning SuSe and Ximian and not integrating them ?

From internal sources of Novell (employees) it seems that Novell didn't really knew what they bought. It was just a step into the OSS market. Though they bought Ximian for the MONO stuff and not the Desktop. Novell believes that they entirely own MONO but realized they only hold the copyright due to the licensing modell chosen. SuSE was aquired for their enterprise offers and Distribution. SuSE was also more expensive than Ximian when they got bought and many SuSE people direct the Desktop section within Novell nowadays.

Re:No Ximian?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450537)

Oh, it's simple. You just need to listen to SUSE people and not to Ximian people when you want to know something about SUSE.

Suse is nice (4, Informative)

BelugaParty (684507) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450449)

I found Suse to be a very good mix of windows (profesional grades) and linux. Having tried linux sporadically since '95, it is definitely one of the most polished distributions I have ever seen.
Looks aside, I think YaST is one of the most useful configurator/installers/admin panels I have ever used.
The downsides of 9.1 are its wireless tools (I have a broadcom chip, so I had to use ndiswrapper... switching between networks required admin commandline work.) The other problem, which is a problem with many linux distro's but still hasn't been addressed for my situation, is ACPI. Yes I use a laptop. No, Suse did not pander to me with easy to install packages... meanwhile, it did install at least 4 different packages for bluetooth, which is one thing I don't use.

In general, though, I would tell anyone to give it a try.

Re:Suse is nice (2, Interesting)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450658)

I'm not a big fan or SuSE, I used to use RedHat all around the place... But FC1 and 2 were nothing but dissapointments for me. After screwing my Debian installation and waiting for too long for Gentoo to finish compilation, I switched all of my boxes, including an obsolete Sunsparc box to SuSE. I still hate Yast's limitations but I find its packages at least usable.

Strange though... Two years ago I could reccommend at least five distros to people. These days it is either FC or SuSE. I won't reccommend Gentoo or Debian to a newcomer and although Mandrake 10 was good, I had too many people coming back to me stating "their modem didn't work"...

Re:Suse is nice (1)

thelexx (237096) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450716)

I have to agree with you about Suse. My first kernel was ~.97pl? and in all that time, Suse 9.1 is definitely the best 'out of the box' experience I've had. Just switched from Fedora due to the FC2 install CD not even wanting to boot the kernel and FC3 being a tad flakey still. As long-time Debian fan, Fedora was a nice change in the 'easy-to-use' direction, and Suse is even yet another step along.

Latest? (2, Interesting)

balster neb (645686) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450451)

Press release says "SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 comes with latest open source functionality". But it only comes with GNOME 2.6. GNOME 2.8 was out about 3 weeks ago [slashdot.org]

Anyway, lets hope this release has more than half-hearted GNOME support. The previous version included GNOME, but barely. It's going to be interesting to see how Novell balances KDE and GNOME in the future, given their conflict.

Re:Latest? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450555)

Oh, wow, 3 weeks.

I'd rather hope they spend at least that long testing the entire platform they've put together for stability before releasing it.

OTOH, SuSE has been a very KDE-centric distribution for a long time. I don't suspect it'll have changed much with this release.

Re:Latest? (1)

AaronGTurner (731883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450657)

Three weeks isn't long to test a new release of Gnome enough to be able to offer it in something that may be installed by corporate users.

Wonder what volume pricing is (0, Flamebait)

afidel (530433) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450474)

The per seat cost at retail is about what you would expect to pay per seat with a large volume purchase from MS. Wonder how much Novell is willing to bargain for volume purchases. I also wonder how strong their support team is. I have to say that it's expensive to call MS, and often time consuming, but I have never had them fail to resolve an issue.

what do u mean? u can install as many times u want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450534)

pricing is neglectible cos u pay once for example for a company, for the retail box, and u are allowed to install the media to as many boxens servers and shit as you wish.

its your own decision.

thats called gpl and opensource. u dont have to buy a billion times suse 9.2 for a billion boxes (inside your company, home, friends).

only you are not allowed to make copies and sell them, or upload the images/media/iso to public networks cos of the partly commercial shit inside.

but u can go to your friends personally, give them the cd for installing, install it on a trillion boxes and all this.

Re:Wonder what volume pricing is (1)

AaronGTurner (731883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450707)

The per seat cost at retail is about what you would expect to pay per seat with a large volume purchase from MS

For a fairer comparasion, given the number of tools that ship with SuSE, you'd need to add in the volume cost of Microsoft Office, Visual Studio, and the like. However some of the tools shipped with SuSE are less fully featured or standards-compatible than the Microsoft/Windows equivalents so you can't necessarily consider Kdevelop and Anjuta to have the same dollar value as Visual Studio (which has some nice features not present in Kdevelop or Anjuta, for example, and shipping both Kdevelop and Anjuta offers a nice choice but not much more functionality than shipping just one, simply very slightly different functionality).

Nvu - wowee (-1, Flamebait)

heffrey (229704) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450483)

The WYSIWYG web development tool Nvu is also included.

That's like getting excited because Windows includes Wordpad! Must be a slow news day today.

Re:Nvu - wowee (1)

AaronGTurner (731883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450741)

Surely FrontPage Express rather than Wordpad?

SuSE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450494)

I tried SuSE 9.1 Professional; it could not setup a basic modem connection; stuff as simple as this is why I will remain a Debian user.

suse reflections (2, Insightful)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450543)

I used suse for two releases (9 and 9.1) and I really liked it. For the most part it just worked, I think even my mom could have used it just fine. But I rarely learn anything about my system by having it work all the time. I've learned more about linux by using slackware, which has very few gui tools, and a lot of cli tools. In suse my wheel mouse was setup automatically, in slackware it worked perfectly AFTER I researched the problem with google and found the lines to add to my xorg.conf file. I guess what I'm trying to say is that suse is great but it's not for everyone, not me anyway.

Outlook server? (4, Informative)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450570)

Novell offers the Open-Xchange [open-xchange.com] server for SuSE (and other Linux) as their groupware replacement for MS Exchange. But to connect to it with Outlook, you have to install their MAPI store, iSLOX [www.suse.de] , on the client machine. Yesterday, PalmOne announced they've licensed the Exchange server sync protocol [treocentral.com] , so they can offer Outlook-type clients, that connect to actual Exchange servers, without the (usually clueless) client user having to add any software at all. Sure, it's criminal for Microsoft to lock down their protocols, locking competitors out of the market they dominate. But at least they're licensing it to competitors now. Novell's got a lot of money; why don't they license it to include an "Exchange stub" in their O-X server?

Re:Outlook server? (2, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450706)

Because the license will almost certainly include an NDA, and ISTR they've released openexchange under an open source license now (is that right, or was I imagining it?), so they can't.

What's advanced here? (4, Interesting)

Bruha (412869) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450586)

I paid for 9.1 Professional, Gaim was broke and you couldnt get a new 64bit compile from suse of the fixed version to save your life. They just farmed me out to ask the community for a fixed version. With no true workstation install you have to get all the compilers and such installed. And even then the 64bit version was missing packages that the 32bit version was not. So you couldnt compile a 64bit version if you wanted.

I had high hopes of Novell buying SuSe only to see not much being done with it. Patches to broken applications if made available need to be recompiled in a timely manner and be available to the users. Telling a customer to find it on the web is the wrong answer.

So close! When will we get the perfect SME-server? (3, Informative)

zuse (457033) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450610)

While this discussion is mostly about the fantastic new features of some new desktop package, what I'm wondering about is if SuSE has managed to improve SuSEs server setuptools.

I'd been running samba/samba-tng network for the last 4/5 years on different distros but I have yet to see a distro that makes it easy to set up a basic serversetup for a small business network (dhcp,bind,samba and nfs) without having to use the commandline +++.

The shocker is how close SuSE is to achieving this in 9.1 - but that they didn't bother to go the last mile.

This would make it a kickass product for many SMEs.

As of 9.1 the following things are missing:
  • Autogeneration of the initial LDAP-database. I know some think ldap sucks but actually most of the other parts of ldapsupport is allready there.
  • A yast interface for simple Certificate Authorty handling.
  • Simple configuration of dynamic dhcp/dns updates. I tried to use yast in 9.1 but it just plainly didn't work and was buggy.
  • A suggested roadmap for how you should use a SuSE server to integrate your Windows, Linux and Mac-boxes. This should include suggested loginscripts, ways to use the same mozilla profile accross OS'es and a simple way to set NFS shares to the same shares as samba uses.

The press release says that they have adressed these issues (aehm, it says a redesigned user interface to permit easier setup of SAMBA, DNS and DHCP servers whatever that means), let's hope they have.

Notice They're Using Bleeding-Edge X.Org (4, Interesting)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450664)

The X.Org Foundation's new X Window System X11R.6.8.1 also contributes to overall better hardware support.

So does this mean SuSE is going to be one of the first "user-friendly" distros to offer OSX-esque eye-candy like drop-shadows and transparency?

In the meantime... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10450688)

Kontact's Connectivity (2, Informative)

twener (603089) | more than 9 years ago | (#10450778)

The poster seems to prefer Evolution, so please note that SUSE's Kontact has also Groupwise and Exchange connectivity besides SLOX, eGroupware and Kolab.
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