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128 comments

Going upriver? (2, Funny)

PrvtBurrito (557287) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460048)

Going upriver? He should have called it "Going up the creek"

Re:Going upriver? (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460358)

You're not the only one who thinks going to Vietnam was "going up shit creek". Now in Iraq, shitcreek budgets are sending a new generation, without a paddle.

Re:Going upriver? (4, Funny)

dykofone (787059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460676)

I enjoyed the original version of this movie. Martin Sheen's portrayal of Kerry was spot-on and heart felt, though Brando's vision of Bush was a little over acted.

Kerry: "They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound."
Bush: "Are my methods unsound?"
Kerry: "I don't see any method at all, sir."

Re:Going upriver? (0)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460966)

I enjoyed the original version of this movie ...

Best. Slashdot. Comment. EVER.

Re:Going upriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10461963)

hahaha best post ever. thank you.

Re:Going upriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462127)

I never been the type to brag but beware
I'll make a man burn his draft card like it was Hair
Goin' up the river like you lookin' for Kurtz
I got the mugwump jism up in every verse

Re:Going upriver? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462672)


Don't forget that memorable scene with Col. Algore:

"You smell that? Do you smell that? Self-immolation, son. Nothing
else in the world smells like that except CBS. I love the smell of self-immolation
in the morning. You know, one time we had an election, campaigned for
twelve months. When it was all over I woke up. We didn't
find enough of 'em, not enough stinkin' florida votes. The smell, you know
that gasoline smell, the whole thing. Smelled like - george's victory.

Someday this campaign is gonna end."

John Kerry's coffin called (1)

CreamOfWheat (593775) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461747)

...it doesn't need anymore nails. Bush on his way to a landslide victory over "the walking corpse"

Re:John Kerry's coffin called (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462580)

They told me that you had gone totally insane, and that your methods were unsound.

Site's already /really/ slow. (0)

infernow (529374) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460077)

As soon as I get the torrent downloaded, a link will follow.

Re:Site's already /really/ slow. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10460172)

"As soon as I can, I'll Karma whore"

torrent [thekerrymovie.com]
e-donkey [ed2k]

Re:Site's already /really/ slow. (1)

infernow (529374) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460236)

Yeah, pretty much. But at least I'll be providing a faster link to the torrents.

Here's the link, then (2, Informative)

infernow (529374) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460539)

The Green Berets (3, Funny)

b-baggins (610215) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460085)

Is a better war movie. Better acting, better casting, and historically more accurate.

National Lampoons Christmas Vacation (3, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460161)

Is a better war movie. Better acting, better casting, and historically more accurate.

Oh the punnery.. (4, Funny)

sporty (27564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460127)

A democrat film on eDonkey. I am slayed. :)

Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (4, Funny)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460134)

There's a movie being regarding Bush which is being released in early November:

It's called Going Down.

(Laugh, it's meant to be a joke!)

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (2, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460191)

It could be a huge hit if your talking about the twins. We would all love to see them going down.

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (4, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460478)

One of the best Onion headlines ever: "Jenna Bush's Federally Protected Wetlands Now Open For Public Drilling."

[shrug] Personally I don't see it, but then, I'm not much of a fan of plastic spoiled rich girls generally -- a Bush twins porn film would inspire in me the same reaction as the Paris Hilton tapes, which is to say, not much.

In fact, now that I think about it, are there any hot political families right now? None come to mind.

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (2, Funny)

millahtime (710421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460506)

I'd do the bush twins. They are totally a 10.

5+5=10

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (1)

enforcer999 (733591) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461423)

In fact, now that I think about it, are there any hot political families right now? None come to mind.

There are some hot Judges [blogs.com]

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10461537)

Well, we've already seen Kerry's daughter when she attended the premier of Kill Bill 2 at Cannes [iowapresid...lwatch.com]

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462796)

It looks like she's got a bigger gut then I do.

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (1)

SkyWalk423 (661752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10462703)

Have you seen Ted Nugent's daughter?? (Actually, he's got two. One's fine , the other's not.) He's not directly involved in politics, but he's got some "so-far-right-it's-left" ideas.

Does that count?

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464781)

I'm not much of a fan of plastic spoiled rich girls...

I remember the under age drinking incident down at Chuy's, where the secret service intervened to prevent Jenna's arrest. At that time, the Austin police were cracking down on under age drinking. They paraded cuffed college students around on TV as a warning to others.

Jenna's tearful quote, complaining about all the attention:
"I just want to be treated like everybody else!"

Uh huh.

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10461124)

you mean going down on each other?

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (1)

TheAngryMob (49125) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460201)

I thought that was the discarded title for "Primary Colors."

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (3, Funny)

Experiment 626 (698257) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460429)

With a title like that is sounds like it should be an inside look at the Clinton White House...

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (4, Interesting)

mjackson14609 (69635) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460902)

Actually, "the Bush movie" is already out. It's a piece of religious right hagiography, if the New York Times [nytimes.com] is to be believed. I suspect that making this available for downloading by those not in its target audience would be a great service to the Kerry campaign - not that I'm encouraging copyright violation or anything. . .
--

Re:Followed quickly by the Bush movie in November (1)

follower_of_christ (626504) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460973)

It's called Going Down.

Produced and directed by John Kerry himself.
Featuring this years candidate for president/incumbent president playing the role of national morality savior. Featuring the Kerry twins. A wildly amusing comedy portraying George Bush as a washed up old stuttering cowboy not knowing which Kerry to shoot. With a surprise appearance by Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton. It's sure to please your liberal republicrat and conservative demican friends.

Price of admission one miscounted vote.

Bittorrent and eDonkey/eMule links for the lazy (4, Informative)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460188)

For those too lazy to read the article: Bittorrent [thekerrymovie.com] eDonkey / eMule [ed2k] Go ahead, knock down my karma.

Re:Bittorrent and eDonkey/eMule links for the lazy (1)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465393)

OK, I can't get that .torrent to start downloading, but my DL on eMule is well over 100Kbps, so no big problem. This is a great way for Kerry supporters (and neutral people) with decent connections to help people learn more about Kerry. Let's show some community spirit like we're supposed to!

BTW, this is not a propaganda movie. In fact, it has no narration from what I understand. It's just swiftboat footage from the 60's, much of which involves Kerry. The filmmaker is the same guy who made Pumping Iron with Arnie; it's not some hack. I heard from people who saw a theater preview that it was incredibly moving and worth seeing for the uninterpreted visuals alone.

Riiiiight (4, Funny)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460241)

Going Upriver is now available as a free legal download for all.

Everybody knows downloading movies is theft. I'm not falling for your honeypot, MPAA.

You know what would make a good movie? (1)

zardinuk (764644) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460438)

Shots of American soldiers gunning down and blowing up Iraqi insurgents and terrorists. Why don't we ever see that? I'd watch...

Re:You know what would make a good movie? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10460750)


because the only terrorists in Iraq are the poor men defendening their villeges and families. and yeah, they show movies of that all the time. dead "terrorists" with their dead women and children

Re:You know what would make a good movie? (0, Troll)

zardinuk (764644) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461374)

LOL, what are they "defending" their village from? They show movies of that all the time. Who's they? Movies? What? I see clips every now and then, but I'm talking a Michael Moore style movie that depicts Saddam's regime, guys with AK's walking along a river bank when a bomb falls on them, tank shooting man behind a corner with an AK. Tradgicomedy.

You get your feelings hurt way too easy, especially for a... what, French citizen?

You're an idiot.

From the Makers of South Park (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461293)

I think it's called America: World Police, and it's a cartoon....

Re:From the Makers of South Park (1)

zardinuk (764644) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461402)

Hah, I'm watching a sneak preview of that this saturday.

Re:From the Makers of South Park (2, Informative)

kLaNk (82409) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461462)

It is called "Team America: World Police" and it is with marionettes.

Get yo facts straight fool.

Re:You know what would make a good movie? (1)

dinojemr (261460) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464909)

Shots of American soldiers gunning down and blowing up Iraqi insurgents and terrorists. Why don't we ever see that? I'd watch...
You mean something like Farenheit 911?

Kerry's own book is free now (4, Informative)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460544)

John Kerry's first book, "A New Soldier", has been bought out by a 527 group and is now freely available online. [freekerrybook.com]

Re:Kerry's own book is free now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462828)

That's very cool. A few months back it was going for about 250 bucks on the used book market.

Do we get to see...? (0, Troll)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460547)

Kerry's re-enactment of his combat with fake gun fire provided by Senor Spielbergo that was shown at the convention?

Sounds like "A Burns for All Seasons" and I was saying "Boooo!", not "Boooo-urns!".

I just wish Kerry would run on something he's done since most of the electorate was born.

Re:Do we get to see...? (1)

dsk052 (230739) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460739)

If you piss off as many politicians as GW, then you must be doing something right!

Re:Do we get to see...? (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465219)

Not to mention France and the U.N...

Re:Do we get to see...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10460907)

I just wish Kerry would run on something he's done since most of the electorate was born.

Half of American adults are over 40. They are also probably 2/3s of the the people who actually vote. Yes, I'm sick of their preferences too.

If you are interested... (2, Informative)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460596)

There is also a DVD that only costs the price of shipping over at https://www.kerrykit.com/ [kerrykit.com]

It has clips from Going Upriver as well as some other tidbits. It's provided by MoveOn so you get a few copies of their infamous ads with it. I ordered one when they were still free and have watched a few parts.

Cool thing is that it comes with a few fact sheets and a Kerry - Edwards bumper sticker if you want to show your support in that way. Here is a list [kerrykit.com] of the stuff that comes with it. I'm not completely sure if it has been authorized by Kerry himself, it just seems to be another MoveOn attempt at regime change.

Mirror of the mov (1)

Jukashi (240273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460687)

For those bittorrentaphobic (?!) I've got a fast mirror of it on my site, jukashi.com [jukashi.com]

Nam of the Game (2, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10460759)

To counter this commie fantasy about Kerry's Vietnam, we need to watch the Bush reelection version [imdb.com] . Though Dennis Hopper turns in a nice performance as Bush in his early '70s "lost years" [google.com] , this rendition of the Eastern White House is animated by Marlon Brando's cunningly accurate portrayal of President Vice-President Cheney [www.viva.de] .

George Butler (3, Informative)

krs-one (470715) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461087)

This is done by the same director [imdb.com] of the famous documentary, Pumping Iron [imdb.com] about a very famous Republican. Pumping Iron was later admitted to being a docu-drama (Arnold admitted this himself).

-Vic

/Voting for Badnarik

Let me see; have I got this straight? (0, Troll)

LouCifer (771618) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461097)

Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - good...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - good..
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - good...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - good...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton commits felonies while in office - good...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - good...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - good...
Economy on upswing under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - good...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - good...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - good...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - good...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - good...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...

Ahh, it's so confusing!

Recently, John Kerry gave a speech in which he claimed Americans are actually paying more taxes under Bush, despite the tax cuts. He gave no explanation and provided no data for this claim.
Another interesting fact: Both George Bush and John Kerry are wealthy men.
Bush owns only one home, his ranch in Texas. Kerry owns four mansions, all worth several million dollars. (His ski resort home in Idaho is an old barn brought over from Europe in pieces. Not your average A-frame).
Bush paid $250,000 in taxes this year; Kerry paid $90,000. Does that sound right? The man who wants to raise your taxes obviously has figured out a way to avoid paying his own.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

w3rzr0b0t5 (816100) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461317)

I forgot capitalist.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1, Funny)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461350)

Actually- It comes out more like this for the true lefty (got to remember, you see, that Clinton was RIGHT WING from our point of view):
Clinton awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Yugoslavia - bad...
Bush awards Halliburton no-bid contract in Iraq - bad...
Clinton spends 77 billion on war in Serbia - bad..
Bush spends 87 billion in Iraq - bad...
Clinton imposes regime change in Serbia - bad...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Clinton bombs Christian Serbs on behalf of Muslim Albanian terrorists - bad...
Bush liberates 25 million from a genocidal dictator - bad...
Clinton bombs Chinese embassy - bad...
Bush bombs terrorist camps - bad...
Clinton commits felonies while in office - bad...
Bush lands on aircraft carrier in jumpsuit - bad...
No mass graves found in Serbia - bad...
No WMD found Iraq - bad...
Stock market crashes in 2000 under Clinton - bad...
Economy on upswing (for the rich alone- middle class need not apply) under Bush - bad...
Clinton refuses to take custody of Bin Laden - bad...
World Trade Centers fall under Bush - bad...
Clinton says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Bush says Saddam has nukes - bad...
Clinton calls for regime change in Iraq - bad...
Bush imposes regime change in Iraq - bad...
Terrorist training in Afghanistan under Clinton - bad...
Bush destroys training camps in Afghanistan - bad...
Milosevic not yet convicted - bad...
Saddam turned over for trial - bad...
And let's not forget- Kerry is just as bad as either Bush or Clinton. Time to kill all the rich white men and take this country back for the TRIBES!

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10462773)

No! Everybody who is against Bush loves Clinton! It must be so!

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Procrastin8er (791570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463416)

You forgot, Gore claims Internet creation - bad...

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463525)

Wasn't in the original list- I just wanted to point out that just because Clinton did something doesn't mean that it's good....and that I'm generally against all of the above. Gore claiming to invent the internet- not sure if I'd classify that as bad or just stupid.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463749)

Gore claiming to invent the internet- not sure if I'd classify that as bad or just stupid.

Gore never claimed he invented the internet. Anybody that tells you he did is misinformed.

He did claim that he supported legislation that helped the internet in its early days-- which is true.

"Gore claimed he invented the internet" was a campaign claim that the Bush people pushed in 2000, because it fit with the image they pushed of Gore as an exaggerator.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Procrastin8er (791570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463766)

Time to kill all the rich white men and take this country back for the TRIBES! You are kidding here, aren't you? I mean, uh cause I am uh white, and I wouldn't say I am rich but uh some might....Gulp....

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463920)

I wouldn't say I am rich but uh some might....

If you earn more than $35K, John Kerry thinks you're rich.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464014)

If you earn more than $35K, John Kerry thinks you're rich.

If you actually READ his website instead of listening to a bunch of talk radio idiots who couldn't be bothered to read something even if it was printed on their paychecks, you'd see that Kerry only thinks you're rich if you earn over $200,000/year- anyway, that's where he'd start repealing the tax breaks.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463990)

You are kidding here, aren't you? I mean, uh cause I am uh white, and I wouldn't say I am rich but uh some might....Gulp....

Only partially- I do feel that ever since the white man came this continent has basically been headed in the wrong direction- and W/Kerry is just the culmination of that.

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Beyond_GoodandEvil (769135) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464554)

Right b/c b4 the white man, there was human sacrifice and other egalitarian goodness. Prior to the "white" man's arrival this continent wasn't headed in any direction. "An object at rest cannot be stopped!"

Re: Let me see; have I got this straight? (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464624)

Just because you don't recognize the goal of actually living as a part of nature and in harmony with nature does not mean that the goal does not exist.

Moderator Abuse ?? [Re: Let me see; have I got] (1)

rm3friskerFTN (34339) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463265)

How is the "Let me see; have I got this straight?" post by LouCifer considered "flamebait" ???

Seems to be a good summary of the history and hypocrisy surrounding many of the issues over the last twelve-years.

Re:Moderator Abuse ?? [Re: Let me see; have I got] (1)

putch (469506) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463333)

if by 'good summary' you mean incomplete, biased, out of context, and off-topic then you are right.

Re:Moderator Abuse ?? [Re: Let me see; have I got] (0)

OYAHHH (322809) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464256)

Per,

The flamebait question. At the moment I looked at the summary of moderation and it came out like this:

--------------------
Moderation 0
30% Interesting
30% Informative
20% Offtopic
Extra 'Troll' Modifier 0 (Edit)
Total Score: 0
---------------------

For an overall score of 'Troll'.

My question is, how does 30% interesting, 30% informative, 20% offtopic, and 20% ??? not add up to something 'positive'?

it's not confusing, you're an idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463279)

1)when we went to serbia we went with a true international mandate. remember? russia sent all of those troops as well.
2) your muslim/christian rhetoric is absurd. unless you are advocating holy war, in which case i feel like an idiot for even responding to you.
3)the '25 million' are anything but liberated, atm. some might even say they are occupied.
4)i'm not sure what economic upswing you see but under bush we've gone from a budget surplus to crushing debt. the overwhelming majority of his tax cuts go to wealthiest few. so, what's he done?

i can understand why people are hesitant to support kerry. he isn't a very intriguing, exciting, or refreshing candidate. but i will NEVER even begin to understand how a rational person could even begin to think that, in terms of public policy substance, that bush deserves to remain as our president. (except, of course, if you root for holy war, make $200k+ a year and want a tax cut, don't care that this administration has done nothing but plunder our tax dollars and our international goodwill).

it's not confusing, you're an idiot.

Re:it's not confusing, you're an idiot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10464295)

The sooner we pull out of the united nations and regain our sovernty, the better. Either that, or ally with responsible countries like Japan and some other Asian countries. Europe is moving towards socialism and secularism faster than we are. America/Socialism don't mix. Its been a long time coming that we pull out of Europe and let it stagger without us and see how well it does.

The muslim/christian rhetoric is a little absurd. He should have thrown secularism in there too. Before the Muslims threw their 2 cents in we were fighting a 2 way religious war. One side of the two believes there is an all powerful God that created everything and can't provide proof that stimulates the 5 senses. The other believes that *poof* we existed from nothing obviously not being able to prove that nothing existed before something did. Both sides believing that elimination of the other will make the world a better place. The muslims jumped in and decided that giving their life is the ultimate good thing to do if you attempt to kill many of the other two. Muslims have been violently warring the entire world since it was created by Mohamed. They merely burst onto the scene recently with some very loud and uninteligable screaming. The Christian "Crusades" were a response to the Muslim advance upon the world. Islam had spread from the middle-east to Africa, Asia, and began threatening Europe. I wonder how long its going to take for Europe to remember what threatened them and caused the Crusades.

Most popular opinion polls in Iraq suggest that the Iraqis are all saying, 'Thank you for very much for getting rid of that bad man that was killing us by the hundreds of thousands a year. Now get out! .... But wait until we're stable please.' If you take it from the horses mouth, your point three is half true. They are occupied, but feel very liberated and don't want us to leave until things are stable, but much like socialism and America, Arabs and ocupation don't mix. Its too bad we have a political party trying to sell to the world that its the Bush administrations intent although it has no proof.

Every person who obtained a paycheck prior to Bush tax cuts obtained more of a paycheck with the Bush tax cuts. I'd rather control where I donate my money rather than have the government use it to support social programs I don't agree with. I personally give more than 15% of my pay away to the poor and social programs of my choosing. Any "idiot" with a calculator can use it like the current presidential election polls (as far as only being a glimpse in time) and determine what, at this current second in time, the deficit would be if we raise taxes. Of course, the people who do such things and create policies around a stamp in time are terribly short sighted. These policies slow economic progress. The Repubs are attempting to turn around the economic slide Clinton created with higher taxes on everyone. Rich people are always going to be rich, when the economy slows down, the poor people suffer terribly.

International good-will is virtual. We are the "Microsoft" of the world that many in the world were wishing under their breath would be defeated or weakened. Now that we are embattled they'll attempt to get a couple of quick political jabs in hoping they can derail the champ. Are all of the Oil-for-Food scandals showing good will? Here's a conspiracy theory for you. France, Germany, and Russia were allied with Iraq due to Saddam's Oil-for-Food program loopholes and handouts and the first chance that they decided they were capable of inflicting serious damage on the U.S. they would. Our "allies" have been proven in the past months to have been working with our enemies against us. America didn't generate ill-will towards America with the Iraq war, just exposed it. I have a couple of friends from France that don't like the US due to several several issues and Iraq to them is just "par for the course" as far as they are concerned. When they tell me their concerns it deals with installing dictators from previous administrations.

Instead of creating the largest medical entitlement ever, Bush should have repealed some of the social programs out there. Hopefully he'll get around to that in his second term so we can pay off some of the debt incurred by this war. Low taxes and smaller social programs are needed to balance the budget. I'll admit this is a Bush weakness, but Kerry doesn't offer an alternative. He'll create social programs and tax more effectively taking 4-6 years to squelch an economic recovery. At which time the dems can blame the next administration which would probably be republicans.

The reason I don't like Kerry is because I don't like his evil twin. Kerry is anti-gay marriage but pro-gay marriage. Kerry has voted against all of the promises he is making in the past. If you are voting for Kerry because you hate Bush and he's not Bush, you should vote for Nadar. At least his positions are clear and you know who you are getting.

One of the ways of speading up the economic recovery is to put restrictions on the lawsuits fueling the trial lawyers. I bet the trial lawyers comprise an overwhelming majority of the 200k+ people you speak of. John Edwards is definately not the solution and doesn't even claim to be. You can forget eliminating lawsuits if John John get elected.

We aren't seeing a "holy war" right now in the Christian context of the word. The bible teaches that all of the nations of the world will unite against Isreal and attack it from the north. Isreal will be all but beaten before God steps in and crushes the world. Shortly before the war Isreal will extend into Syria and down to Sinai. It'll be much larger. We are a long way from Holy War. Until then, we are going to fight these social wars pushing points of view to prevent chaos from reigning.

We'll continually see people who claim to be Christian called "idiots" or "unprogressive" its exactly what a secularist wants someone to think. It'll serves their purpose well. At some point, as we've seen in the past, integrity amongst the secularist world will degrade so far that it'll weaken and they are physically closer to the Muslims than the largest Christian powerhouse. The secular nations will be overrun, once again, by the muslims and will cry out for help.

We'll see what happens.

NOT "international mandate" (1)

rm3friskerFTN (34339) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464931)

"when we went to serbia we went with a true international mandate"

define "international mandate"? UN Authorized? ...
NOT

recall "a coalition of the willing" (grin) made up of NATO Members authorized by NATO (NATO != UN and UN != NATO) went into the former Yugoslovia

sounds like "jury shopping" to me:

international group UN does not authorize this ... try another group

international group XYZ does not authorize this ... try another group

international group PDQ does not authorize this ... try another group

international group ABC does not authorize this ... try another group

international group NAMBLA (grin) has authorized this ... hurray the world is saved

if looks like "jury shopping", smells like "jurry shopping", quacks like "jury shoppping" then it must be "jury shopping"

Other political information movies: (4, Informative)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461151)

  1. Uncovered: The Whole Truth about the Iraq War by Producer/ Director Robert Greenwald [truthuncovered.com] , 2003, 56 minutes. Independent film by the Producer. Web site: Uncovered [truthuncovered.com] . Reviews: Powell's (out of stock, no reviews) [powells.com] Barnes & Noble [barnesandnoble.com] Amazon [amazon.com]

    This documentary shows the actual video of Bush administration officials justifying the war in Iraq. The overall effect is powerful.

    Quotes:

    • "... it is a federal felony, it's a crime, to mislead and distort information and present it to the Congress." -- 23:14 minutes into the movie.

    • "... the administration has not been honest..."

    • "... very disturbing ... intervention by people particularly from Vice President Cheney's office and Vice President Cheney himself ... to produce precisely the language which would allow them ... to support the decision to go into Iraq." -- Dr. David C. MacMichael, former CIA analyst. Page 7 of the transcript, 7:32 minutes in the movie.

    • "It is somewhat puzzling, I think, that you can have a hundred percent certainty about the weapons of mass destruction's existence, and zero certainty about where they are." -- Hans Blix, chief weapons inspector, referring to the administration's statements, at 34:44 minutes into the movie.

    This work is available several in several forms, some of which are free:

    • A transcript [truthuncovered.com] of the movie is available online. NOTE: Both forms of the transcript contain errors. The errors I've seen are minor. The quotes here have been checked against the movie.

    • The transcript is also available as a downloadable Adobe Acrobat PDF file [truthuncovered.com] . The Acrobat PDF Reader software needed to view the transcript is a free download [adobe.com] for all computers.

    • You can buy the DVD online for $9.95 from Amazon [amazon.com] or Barnes & Noble [barnesandnoble.com] or from CafeShops.com [cafeshops.com] , at a Cafe Shops online store that is inappropriately titled Disinformation. The store originally sold items connected with a humorous TV show called Disinformation.

    • The DVD is available on loan through Netflix [netflix.com] .

    • Make your own copies: Kate McArdle, one of the producers, told me that they encourage people to make copies of the DVD and give them to friends (but not sell them, of course). Also, they encourage people to play the movie for groups of people, without extra payment.

  2. Unprecedented - 2000 Presidential Election by Richard Ray Perez, Joan Sekler, and Robert Greenwald, 2002, reissued 2004. Web site: Unprecedented [unprecedented.org] . Reviews: Barnes & Noble [barnesandnoble.com] Amazon, DVD [amazon.com] Amazon, VHS [amazon.com] IMDB [imdb.com]

    From a review in the New Yorker [newyorker.com] : "... if all eligible votes [in Florida] were counted, including 175,000 unread ballots, Gore would be President."

    And, "The moviemakers also take the time to complete stories that got short shrift from print and broadcast journalists..."

    The movie shows how Republicans paid $2,000,000 of taxpayer money to produce a list that was used to exclude voters who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidate, Al Gore.

    The strategy was:

    1. They made a list of people convicted of serious crimes. These people are not allowed to vote in Florida.

    2. They made the list in such a way that many people who had never been convicted were included. Those who were included who should not have been were people who would mostly vote for Democratic candidates, giving the Republicans a big advantage if they could keep those people from voting.

    3. They made it complicated and difficult to fix this arrangement, even after it was discovered.

    Jeb Bush, the brother of President George W. Bush, is still Governor of Florida, as he was in 2000, and the arrangement is continuing, as this June 10, 2004 article says: Florida orders new purge of voter list [independent.co.uk] . There are still people on the list of criminals who have never broken a law in their lives, and the Florida state government is still making it difficult to get off the list. This June 6, 2004 editorial in the St. Petersburg, Florida, Times, Removing doubt from voter list [sptimes.com] , says:

    "The state Division of Elections also sent out a memo advising supervisors to send a letter to those listed, explaining that they must, essentially, prove they are not felons. It is difficult to prove a negative, of course, and those targeted incorrectly could still lose their vote for failing to respond because of a bad address, misunderstanding or intimidation."

    The news agency CNN is suing the Florida government: CNN asks Florida court for ineligible voters list [cnn.com] . U.S. senator Bill Nelson has joined in the lawsuit: Senator Objects To Secrecy Of Voter List [tbo.com] . If the list cannot be examined, it cannot be independently checked for accuracy. This June 14, 2004 article in Wired magazine says that the secrecy is partly as a result of a law made in 2001: Florida Faces Election Fracas [wired.com] .

  3. Fahrenheit 9/11 by Michael Moore [michaelmoore.com] . Released on June 25, 2004, Miramax. Web site: Fahrenheit 9/11 [fahrenheit911.com] . Reviews of the DVD: (Not yet released. The DVD release date will be in October 2004, supposedly.)

    First, it should be said that Michael Moore is often not good at expressing himself, and he gets a lot of criticism for that. On the other hand, Fahrenheit 9/11 shows network TV footage and draws on many sources that no one seems to be criticizing. Michael Moore's critics seem never to refute his major points, but instead refute details, while ignoring the overall government corruption.

    A few facts about the Bush family connection with rich Saudis, including the family of Osama bin Laden, are shown in this documentary by Michael Moore [michaelmoore.com] . For example, in the Saudi culture, men sometimes hold hands. In the movie, George W. Bush is shown holding hands with a man the Bush family calls "Bandar Bush", and the ruling family of al Saud calls "Prince Bandar".

    Many other conflicts of interest in the Bush administration are documented, also. As Fahrenheit 9/11 says, and articles published by respected news sources began saying perhaps 20 years ago, it is surprising, to say the least, that the oil kingdom of the House of al Saud would invest in a small, failing oil company in Texas owned by a man who was at the time, by his own admission, having "problems" with alcohol.

    Fahrenheit 9/11 won the Palme d'Or at the 2004 Cannes Film Festival. The Palme d'Or is the festival's top prize and "one of the most coveted honors in international cinema". A May 22, 2004 New York Times story [nytimes.com] [free registration required] says "Mr. Moore's film had received what many thought was the longest standing ovation ever at Cannes when it was screened here last Monday."

    The movie is extraordinarily successful [boxofficemojo.com] in U.S. theaters. A June 27, 2004 commentary in the Sports [!] section of the Kansas City Star gives an example. The writer, Jason Whitlock, says:

    "Fahrenheit" is the most powerful movie I've ever seen. Not even Moore's heavy-handed, pro-Democrat slant could undermine his indictment of Bush's reaction to 9/11. The movie appears to have struck a chord with American moviegoers. I spent all Friday afternoon and evening driving from North Carolina theater to North Carolina theater trying to see the movie. The showings were all sold out. I snagged one of the last tickets to a mid-day Saturday showing.

    (Reading the Kansas City Star commentary, 'Fahrenheit' powerful, persuasive [kansascity.com] , requires free registration. However, that media company has a typically adversarial marketing department. The company says it will send you email, so you might give a trash email address, or use a free trash email address at Mailinator.com [mailinator.net] or DodgeIt.com [dodgeit.com] or Mail Expire [mailexpire.com] . Judging from the registration information, if you give a real postal mail address, they will probably send you unwanted mail, also.)

    I've read about 150 reviews of Fahrenheit 9/11. The best review was written by Michael Moore himself: My Wild First Week with Fahrenheit 9/11 [opednews.com] .

    Funny and Sad: Many of the reviews quote supporters of the Bush administration saying they haven't seen the movie, but it is full of lies.

    Most of the news media have handled the issues in Fahrenheit 9/11 very poorly, as can be dramatized this way:

    Fahrenheit 9/11: There is evidence that the U.S. government has become amazingly corrupt.

    News media: Let's have a discussion about Michael Moore!

    Mr. Moore has authorized free downloading of the movie from the Internet: Fury as Fahrenheit 9/11 director backs illegal not-for-profit downloads [sundayherald.com] .

    Mr. Moore won an Academy award for his movie Bowling for Columbine [bowlingforcolumbine.com] . That reporting in that movie was of widely varying quality, although Mr. Moore made his point.


--
When Saudis attack, invade Iraq?

Re:Other political information movies: (2, Informative)

ronfar (52216) | more than 9 years ago | (#10462335)

This one is pretty good too:


Iraq - On The Brink [journeyman.tv]


It's a short film from Journeyman Pictures (the link has a pretty long clip), the most interesting scene to me (from the clip) is this one:



The army's current tactics are winning no friends. As a platoon approaches a house at night, the owner mistakes the soldiers for thieves and fires a shot into the air. It's an action he will live to regret. Troops kick his door in and move to arrest him. "Welcome, Welcome," the man says. But the soldiers can't understand him and don't have a translator. "I might shoot you. Get the fuck over here. Get the fuck over here now," a soldier screams. Terrified the man starts praying but even his praying antagonises the troops. "Who the fuck are you talking to? Shut the fuck up!" one shouts.

Re:Other political information movies: (4, Informative)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10462989)

Fahrenheit 9/11 uses several psychological techniques commonly used in propoganda. It takes advantage of "bugs" in the human cognitive "hardware", if you will. This isn't a partisan attack, and you can read a rather interesting analysis on the subject here. [workingpsychology.com]

(Requires Adobe Acrobat Reader)

Re:Other political information movies: (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463290)


I agree that Michael Moore sometimes has an objectionable way of presenting material. But, as you are doing, many people talk about Michael Moore instead of talking about the huge amount of corruption he tries to document.

There is a huge, huge amount of material. Here are reviews of 35 books that say the same thing as Michael Moore. You can have the same message presented in a learned way, or a funny way, or a typically Republican way, or a journalistic way: Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government [futurepower.org]

Here is just a little hint of the corruption: Bush borrows [brillig.com] money to kill Iraqis [iraqbodycount.net] . 140 billion borrowed [costofwar.com] . With interest, you pay 200 billion. When Saudis attack, invade Iraq?

Here's another hint: George W. Bush's brother was shown in a lawsuit deposition on 20/20 [go.com] talking about his prostitutes and using government influence to make money. Family values?

Here's another hint: The U.S. government has engaged in 24 wars [hevanet.com] since WW2: The system of violence works by creating fear so rich [hevanet.com] people [hevanet.com] can profit.

Here's another hint: Did you see the network footage of George W. Bush holding hands with a Saudi man the Bush family knows as "Bandar Bush"? Since it was Saudis who attacked on 9/11, why did Bush invade Iraq. Was it partly a smokescreen to get attention away from the Saudis?

Re:Other political information movies: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463449)

Translation: Michael Moore's propaganda was completely effective on you. See, it does work!

Re:Other political information movies: (0)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463770)

I agree that Michael Moore sometimes has an objectionable way of presenting material. But, as you are doing, many people talk about Michael Moore instead of talking about the huge amount of corruption he tries to document.

He used propagandistic methods to such an extent that it undermined his whole movie. F9/11's main thrust is mere insinuation.

Here are reviews of 35 books that say the same thing as Michael Moore.

There are also a large number of books that say the opposite of what Mr. Moore says.

Here is just a little hint of the corruption: Bush borrows money to kill Iraqis. 140 billion borrowed. With interest, you pay 200 billion. When Saudis attack, invade Iraq?

I have to tell you that CostofWar and IraqBodyCount are not reliable sources of information. A few have looked into it, but even a cursory glance at the sites will tell you that they have an axe to grind.

When Saudis attack, invade Iraq?

Saudi Arabia did not attack the United States. A terrorist group aided and sheltered by Afghanistan did. As for radical groups in Saudi Arabia, their government has been cooperating with us since 9/11/01. Saudi Arabia has had a long relationship with the U.S., after all. They can't reform too fast, though, or the religious nuts will revolt and then the shit will really hit the fan.

If Iraq cooperated even as much as Saudi Arabia has, then we wouldn't have invaded Iraq.

Here's another hint: George W. Bush's brother was shown in a lawsuit deposition on 20/20 talking about his prostitutes and using government influence to make money. Family values?

Bush is his brother's keeper?

Here's another hint: The U.S. government has engaged in 24 wars since WW2: The system of violence works by creating fear so rich people can profit.

You really might want to consider checking your sources. For instance, the Halliburton charges just don't check out. [factcheck.org]

Did you see the network footage of George W. Bush holding hands with a Saudi man the Bush family knows as "Bandar Bush"?

It is rather common in Arabic culture for men to hold hands, and engage in other niceties that seem strange to Western eyes. Don't let your own monocultural viewpoint obscure your vision.

Many people just don't want to know... (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464776)


Many people just don't want to know how corrupt the U.S. government is, and they find any small reason to avoid to deny the overall picture, while still pretending to be logical.

There is no way to argue away all the material in 35 books and 5 movies! There are NOT an equal number of books arguing the opposite side. The books in the article Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government [futurepower.org] are from respected publishers. The pro-Bush books are, generally, not.

You said, "It is rather common in Arabic culture for men to hold hands..." That's exactly right. But George W. Bush had never left the U.S. when he began running for president. Why is HE holding hands? The answer is that he has what the Bush family thinks is a close relationship with Prince "Bandar Bush". Anyone who knows the Saudi culture knows that it is highly unlikely Prince Bandar likes the Bush family. He is only using his relationship with the Bush family for his own benefit.

FactCheck.org is NOT a reputable organization. They check "facts" only one level deep. The real facts are that Cheney arranged to have no-bid contracts made legal during the time he was Secretary of Defense. He knew that the U.S. would attack Iraq, so Halliburton could be prepared in advance. That's why only Halliburton had the resources for the Iraq contract.

Re:Other political information movies: (2, Informative)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464043)

Since it was Saudis who attacked on 9/11, why did Bush invade Iraq

Or to rephrase that question, since it was Japan who attacked on 12/7, why did Roosevelt invade Germany?

The answer is the same to both questions. The US didn't invade Germany because of 12/7, and it didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11.

Re:Other political information movies: (1)

doofus1 (466720) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464775)


The answer is the same to both questions. The US didn't invade Germany because of 12/7, and it didn't invade Iraq because of 9/11.


Bush's rhetoric to the contrary.

Re:Other political information movies: (2, Insightful)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465494)

OK, Japan and Germany had an alliance; you couldn't just fight one of the allies. The analogy might hold if the regime in Iraq had any connection with the attackers of 9/11. But there wasn't any connection. Even Cheney admitted that on Tuesday, and he was the last holdout to do so. Bush and Rummsfeld admitted this many months ago. Now the American people need to catch up. (The rest of the world doesn't seem to be having trouble seeing the former Iraqi government as being totally distinct from Al Quaeda, as they are. In fact, they were enemies; Saddam hated Islamicists more than he hated the Bushes!)

Re:Other political information movies: (1)

GoodbyeBlueSky1 (176887) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463320)

Fahrenheit 9/11 uses several psychological techniques commonly used in propoganda
True, but this is not the whole story. You need another sentence where you replace "Fahrenheit 9/11" with "The Bush Administration", just to be fair and balanced.

Re:Other political information movies: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463827)

Well, if you know of have a similar analysis on propoganda by the Bush administration, let's have it.

Re:Other political information movies: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465454)

Fahrenheit 9/11 uses several psychological techniques commonly used in propoganda.

I don't get the point. Bush and the Bush administration used and still uses this techniques hundred of times more. Like "We are attacked, and the evil evil guy MAY attack us, and everyone must follow the Great Enlightened Commander in Chief, The Guide, The Small Father of the undemocratically Oppressed People - and everyone who protest is a terrorist lover and a traitor"

Having seen Uncovered... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10463256)

This movie had a pretty significant impact. They essentially convict the administration with their own words, and experts. After seeing something like this it is a little difficult to avoid demonizing the current administration. When they even now talk about that everyone *knew* that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, they're plainly lying. They knew better. They lied so Americans would kill and die. From every office of the administration, before the UN, the Congress and the American public. Administrations like this are why impeachment exists. Those in the administration are not simply guilty of bad govenment, they're horrible examples of human beings, and have betrayed our ideals.

Thats...thats just great (3, Insightful)

Tyndmyr (811713) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461241)

Im really stretching for something to post here. Ive got three more hours of "work" ahead, and Im outta stuff to read on /. This is new, and I love politics, but it just aint doin it.

Its not just the website, which didn't exactly exude professionalism. Im used to less than perfect web design.... I do work for the government after all. It's not even the obvious promotion of a canidate that looses my intrest. Ive grown used to the crazy stuff that happens every four years here.

Its the sheer emptiness of it all. He fought in Vietnam. Great. Lots of people did, and while Im not trying to put down what they did, and hes done far more than Bush, we've all heard about it already. But really, who cares? Its nice that he did that, but it doesnt distinguish him as a leader from among the number of men who've also risked their lives.

I want interesting debate, non-evasive comments, and a lot less pointless "image-building", dammit. Bah, theres no room in society for intelligent people any more...

This bitter diatribe brought to you by Tyndmyr

Bias (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10461297)

Is it just me or does this pinko sissy [insert Michael] seem to be posting
content heavily biased towards the left? I was under the impression /. wouldn't be playing
favorites.

Re:Bias (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461408)

Individual editor != Slashdot. Pudge, for instance, posts content heavily biased towards the right- when he can find it.

Re:Bias (-1, Flamebait)

SDMX (668380) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461427)

I was under the impression the /. community also wouldn't be plauged with brainless anoncow's using outdated (pinko) and bigoted (sissy) comments. Grow some balls, get a user account and come join the gorwn-ups.

Keep It Going (3, Informative)

hprotagonist0 (312387) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461489)

Check out Keep It Going [keepitgoing.org] , a site dedicated to getting people to go see this movie. We're signing up volunteers to host screenings on a national screening day.

So come to the site and read through our blog [keepitgoing.org] or sign up [keepitgoing.org] to host a screening. More info on the site.

Can anyone run a new tracker (2, Funny)

linzeal (197905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10461659)

We has kill't the 6969 on the original and need someone else to sends up the flag, ARRRRR.

Wait, I'm not a pirate today? Damnit!

Legal? Really? (1)

HyperLemur (622212) | more than 9 years ago | (#10462387)

I don't see anything that states that this is clearly the case. I don't want to cause trouble for other people.

More free Kerry stuff! (0, Offtopic)

Bombcar (16057) | more than 9 years ago | (#10462548)

Kerry's not-so-best selling book! [freekerrybook.com]

Hey, we all want free stuff, right?

Legal? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463000)

That means if Kerry wins, p2p per se will not have legal problems during the next administration like it was tried to be banned [com.com] in this one?

Re:Legal? (1)

OYAHHH (322809) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463805)

> That means if Kerry wins, p2p per se will not have legal problems during the next administration like it was tried to be banned [com.com] in this one?

Wait a second! Let's be fair here.

The article to which you refer to describes the Induce Act. Which I am diametrically opposed to.

But, to set the record straight, Senator Barbara Boxer is one of the co-sponsers of this miserable legislation.

And I can assure you that the liberal that Boxer is, has nothing, and I repeat nothing, to do with in "this administration" assuming you are refering to the George Bush administration.

Yet she still is pushing this crap on you and I.

The torrent is broken (1)

noa (4909) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463097)

I get through to the tracker about 5% of the time. However it is available from thepiratebay.com also and that one seems quite fast, at least from over here in Sweden.

Direct link to the torrent [thepiratebay.com]

Reenacting Battles ? (0, Troll)

Procrastin8er (791570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463280)

I can sort of understand someone using a video camera to record the events as they happen in combat. But to have others videotape you performing a reenactment of a battle, that is just bizarre.

Re:Reenacting Battles ? (0)

CptNerd (455084) | more than 9 years ago | (#10463883)

Check out a little movie called "Patton", that showed Patton landing in Sicily. MacArthur did it too, and I suppose Kerry thought he'd be in the same league eventually.

No, not just yet... (2, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464915)

I'm going to wait for the extended version box set.

Free and legal? (1)

Artifex (18308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465101)

Funny, I don't see any relation to the official movie website, goingupriver.com [goingupriver.com] :

thekerrymovie.com -

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ZiaSpace Productions
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NO UNSOLICITED MAIL
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Domain name: THEKERRYMOVIE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Klos, John john@ziaspace.com
12210.5 Nebraska Avenue

NO UNSOLICITED MAIL
Los Angeles, CA 90025
US
+1.3109800704
Technical Contact:
Klos, John john@ziaspace.com
12210.5 Nebraska Avenue

NO UNSOLICITED MAIL
Los Angeles, CA 90025
US
+1.3109800704

Registration Service Provider:
ZiaSpace Productions, domains@ziaspace.com
917-723-0802
http://www.ziaspace.com/
This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords,
DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions.

goingupriver.com -

Name Servers: ns.addr.com
ns2.addr.com
Domain Created: 8/2/2004
Domain Expires: 8/2/2005

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cdullman@yahoo.com
phone: 7188020198
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Not to mention that the AICN link mentioned in the article goes to dead space? And most interestingly, there are NO links from the download section of the official site to this site.
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