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174 comments

Four again, and again, and again.. (5, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464936)

No doubt to capitalize on the film (2005) [imdb.com] . (Which will hopefully turn out better than an earlier try (1994) [imdb.com] Of course, us late boom kids will remember this animated series [imdb.com] and try to overlook this one (1978) [imdb.com] , when PC and non-violence destroyed Saturday morning TV ("Oh dear, children might see Johnny erupt in flames and try to emulate their animated role model and pour gasoline all over themselves and strike a match! Won't someone please think of the children!')

Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (1)

Slotty (562298) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465007)

Bah Herbie was a crap substitute fortunately they never re-ran this when I was a child

Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (1)

Starsmore (788910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465076)

I'm far too lazy to search imdb, but I know that there was another animated series in the mid- to late-90s, that I enjoyed. Ran like three seasons, I think, and if I remember correctly, ran back to back with a sorta-okay Iron Man animated show.

Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (1)

atrizzah (532135) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465162)

I liked both shows a lot. They were both decently true to the comics, much more show than X-men (Morph , anyone?). I think poor marketing killed both of those shows--FF was only shown on Sunday mornings where I lived.

Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (2, Interesting)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465193)

God.

The '60's FF, Captain America and Spiderman....
SLIDESHOWS! Some were taken from Jack Kirby panels, with an almost Gilliam-style of cut-and-paste animation applied.

I worshiped this stuff at 4-5-6 years.

STOP your fucking TROLLING (-1, Flamebait)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465199)

when PC and non-violence destroyed Saturday morning TV ("Oh dear, children might see Johnny erupt in flames and try to emulate their animated role model and pour gasoline all over themselves and strike a match! Won't someone please think of the children!')

The inclusion of "H.E.R.B.I.E." had NOTHING to do with "PC"; re-read the fucking IMDB link:

The actual catalyst for Herbie's creation was the simple fact that the TV rights to The Human Torch had already been optioned as part of the development deal between Marvel Comics, Universal Studios and CBS-TV, which resulted in prime-time, live-action versions of Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Captain America and Dr. Strange. The character was just not legally available for use in these cartoons.

Re:STOP your fucking TROLLING (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465301)

other speculation at the time was that there had been a falling out between Johnny and the other three and left. There's plenty of other rumors, too.

Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465745)

Well, read the imdb link you posted [imdb.com] . It tells us that the Human Torch character was "just not legally available for use in these cartoons" because the TV rights had already been optioned.
It wasn't political correctness, it was legal hassles.

Yeah, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465898)

The other day I was daydreaming about a Spiderman-like Silver Surfer movie.

That would be cool.

Oh, that Chinese basketball player could play Galactus... :-)

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Re:Four again, and again, and again.. (0, Redundant)

azzl (197706) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465978)

If you bothered to read your own link, you'd see that the Human Torch was not used due to licensing issues, not because of a PC network exec.

MICHAEL SIMS IS A WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10464946)

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Muslims (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10464951)

Muslims are violent animals.

Benefits of subscribing (-1, Offtopic)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464957)

So I'm just wondering, do the subscribers get to see "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along" for 20 minutes before the rest of us?
'Cause, you know, I wouldn't want them to get short-changed.

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Re:Benefits of subscribing (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465214)

No- we get "The Ability To Post will Be Available In The Mysterious Future" for 20 minutes, then 2 minutes of "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along", and then we can post. Oh yeah- and a link to e-mail the on-duty editor in case of a serious enough problem for the story to be yanked- I've had a couple of dupes yanked that way.

one or four? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10464958)

Title says "four animated series".
Blurb says "an animated series".

Re:one or four? (1)

BenSpinSpace (683543) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465161)

Wait, is this a joke?

Are you serious or kidding?

"Fantastic Four" series. One.

Moran.

Re:one or four? (1)

SamSim (630795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465251)

It's an animated series about the Fantastic Four, not four animated series which are all fantastic.

I can't fucking believe this story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10464970)

I can't fucking believe you people. Free speech is DEAD now that Indymedia has been raided [indymedia.org] and you guys want to talk about the Fantastic Four? For God's sake, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (2, Insightful)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465028)

I can't fucking believe you people. Free speech is DEAD now that Indymedia has been raided and you guys want to talk about the Fantastic Four? For God's sake, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!
Er, the Indymedia story has already been covered in the last article. What do you want? Another posting of the same article? Or are you trying to impersonate the Human Torch with your flaming?

'Insightful' my ass!

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10466010)

I want important articles. Like Bush and the Flipflopper. Not some freaking cartoon character.

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (1)

Frizzle Fry (149026) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466129)

Like Bush and the Flipflopper. Not some freaking cartoon character.

First you say that you do want Bush. And then in the next sense, you say don't. Stop fipflopping.

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (2, Funny)

pavon (30274) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465282)

I can't fucking believe you people. Free speech is DEAD now that Indymedia has been raided and you guys want to talk about the Fantastic Four? For God's sake, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!!

No you have it all wrong. It's times like this when the Fantastic Four are needed more than ever to protect our liberty! At last a returning glimmer of hope on the horizon! Onward our brave superheros - Onward to freedom!

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465418)

BUT DOES INDYMEDIA RUN LINUX1111?!111!11?!11111111111111

Re:I can't fucking believe this story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465557)

Pff, if free speech is dead, it must've run on BSD! :-)

Hrm... (5, Insightful)

GR1NCH (671035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464971)

When I first read this I was pretty excited... but to be honest I'm not so sure now. It seems like lately cartoon series' are really lacking. I mean look at the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles compared to the old one... They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture. Hopefully they won't do the same to the Fantastic 4.

Then again, maybe I'm just getting old.

Re:Hrm... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465035)

When I first read this I was pretty excited... but to be honest I'm not so sure now. It seems like lately cartoon series' are really lacking. I mean look at the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles compared to the old one... They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture. Hopefully they won't do the same to the Fantastic 4.

Maybe if Fox picks it up, we'll see Ralphie on the Simpsons douse himself with lighter fluid...

Ralphie: "Look! I'm The Human Torch! Ha Ha Ha!"
Chief Wiggum: "Hu hu hu! That's cute, Ralphie, now drop the book of matches. Ha ha ha! Ralphie, drop the matches.."
Ralphie: "Whee!" *scritch* FOOM!

Re:Hrm... (4, Interesting)

Masker (25119) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465072)

Wait a minute. You're complaining because TMNT looks all chopped up, and you think you're getting old?

Christ. About 6 years ago, MTV started showing Speed Racer re-runs, and I thought: "Cool! I can relive part of my past by watching Speed Racer again! But, Pops, I know I can win the transcontinental race!"

After trying to watch an episode, I realized that:

1) There is no coherent plot to a Speed Racer episode; it's just a bunch of random clips all spliced together.
2) I still didn't know if Trixie was Speed's sister, cousin, lover, whatever. And what was her relationship to Spike, the mechanic?
3) Somehow I tolerated Chim-chim and the little brother (can't recall the name just now), but I don't know for the life of me how.
4) You just can't go back.

So, I know I'm getting old & crusty, but I think that if you watched TMNT as a kid, you're probably still too young to gripe about it. Sorry.

Re:Hrm... (4, Funny)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465109)

I still didn't know if Trixie was Speed's sister, cousin, lover, whatever.

Maybe it was all of the above?

Re:Hrm... (3, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465326)

There's no coherence to most Japanese stuff. The ambiguousness is there, deal. Stop worrying about it...it's a symptom of the Western mind.

Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books.

Re:Hrm... (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465468)

Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books.

TMNT were pretty dark in the original comics, after Eastman and Laird sold the comic it became all warm and fuzzy and cloying and sickening. The TMNT movie was more representative of the later direction of the characters.

Old? Old? I got into comics when I was recovering from cancer and needed a cheer-up and distraction. Around the begining of TMNT it was being collected, like 90% of the rest of the comics, by adults (some even kept them mint in bags and never even read them: speculators) The comic book market is more like it is in Japan and Europe than most people are willing to admit, it's just more of this puritan denial sh!t that comics are only for kids.

BTW I've actually got a couple of the original Eastman and Laird (b&w printed on pulp) TMNT comics in a box somewhere. Anyone know if they're worth more than I paid? ;-)

Re:Hrm... (1)

Digital_Mercenary (136288) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465983)

Japanese anime is to complicated for it's own good... the stories are so convoluted and complicated and filled with subliminal messages it should be required viewing for all psychology 101 students.

Reference:

"Blue submarine 6" - Genetic manipulation will lead to world peace

"Evangelion" - There not aliens! the us evolved a million years and come back to save us, by killing us all! Gee wiz how sweet...

Re:Hrm... (1)

jonnystiph (192687) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466172)

Yeah, TMNT sucked pretty badly...I can't understand how anyone liked it. It's a pretty freaking far cry to call it 'classic'. The comic was okay, though, although when it was out and I was 15, I was a bit old for comic books

Did you read the comic before the Archie buy out? When the comic was still Eastman/Laird (somone correct my spelling).

All in all, the orginal black and white turtle comics where very good. The Archie bought the rights and turned into what it is now, something not nearly as cool (except for the video game spin off, great game).

The old comic was far more "adult" oriented. They have been re-released into grapchic novels and some still survive in the TMNT Roleplaying games (also much fun).

Re:Hrm... (1)

mikji (724758) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466274)

>There's no coherence to most Japanese stuff. The ambiguousness is there, deal.
>Stop worrying about it...it's a symptom of the Western mind.

Some symptom.

Re:Hrm... (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465423)

...I actually have a DVD with 9 Speed Racer episodes on it. It's... interesting to watch again.

Re:Hrm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465692)

3) Sprittle

Re:Hrm... (1)

ACNiel (604673) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465735)

And still not to mention how chopped up the original cartoon was from the dark, underground, college campus comic that started it all.

The cartoon was a pale comparison to the comic.

Re:Hrm... (1)

DavidBrown (177261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465741)

1)In the Japanese original "Mach Go Go Go", the plot was ... NO! I won't go there.

2)Trixie was part of the elaborate set of lies that Speed created to hide the fact that he was completely gay for Racer X, secretly his brother Rex Racer.

3)You tolerated Spridle and Chim-chim because you were Spridle's age when you first watched Speed Racer. You didn't tolerate Spridle - you actually believed that he was cool.

4)Some of us never left, and we need help.

Re:Hrm... (4, Insightful)

AgentFred76 (684482) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465158)

It seems to me that movies like this have a higher possible failure rate due to the fact that the intended audience is split. Explanation: Fantastic four was a comic book decades ago when the adventures and characters seemed "Fatastical" and the enemies were distinct abstractions of curent relevant conditions. Now take those characters commit to the formula of failure: Old characters, in a modern setting with old enemies with agendas that no longer fit the current times. However... I think that given the current uncertain and violent world condition these situations could certainly be viable. And I'm not about to rule out the fact that escaping into an old favorite is a good cure for the occasional stressful day. :-)

Re:Hrm...start Comic Book Guy Mode... (3, Insightful)

DavidBrown (177261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465837)

These movies are really ONLY for the established fanbase, and for those who feel a sense of nostalgia when they were in the fan base. That's why "Daredevil" didn't do so well - all four Daredevil fans watched the file, several times each, and two of them made webpages dissecting the plot and character changes made while bringing Daredevil to the big screen, but that just wasn't enough to carry the film. If you didn't already care about Daredevil (seriously, he's a third-string Marvel hero for God's sake, and except for the Elektra saga, hardly deserved his own book), you wouldn't bother seeing it. I went only because I know one of the actors in it (who, incidentally, did a bang-up job, but I'm not here to drop names).

What were the exceptions to comicbook films that suck? Superman (everyone loves Superman, but even the third film was really, really bad) and Batman (everyone remembers watching Adam West and Burt Ward on the TV show, but after a couple of films, this series went deep south too). Spiderman and X-Men (the first string Marvel books that everyone who has read comics has read). Every other adaptation has been a niche-market film. There are alot of great comics out there (Grant Morrison run of Doom Patrol, Neil Gaiman's Sandman, Thieves and Kings, insert your own here), but only the comics with established widespread appeal are going to succeed in the theater.

Lame Turtles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465192)

They chopped out so much of what make the Turtles so cool. I think its because they tried to adapt them more to pop culture.

Turtles were bought by Archie Comics and when that happened you knew they were going to be cool and hip and utterly, utterly awful.

Re:Hrm... (1)

Xaoswolf (524554) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465653)

The pizza shooter shoots sewer lids now, not pizza's.

It's a fucking travesty...

Re:Hrm... (1)

Digital_Mercenary (136288) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465910)

You must noot have seen the new Teen Titans or Batman series, it's not your father bam and pow anymore... plus I'm really impressed with the quality of animation as well as the humor/irony/adult references in today toons...

"Flame On!"

The Justice League? (0, Flamebait)

One of the abnormals (817423) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464979)

Isn't this just like the Justice League series on Cartoon network, with Marvel characters? Wow, They're original.

Re:The Justice League? (1)

techsoldaten (309296) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465058)

The Justice League is based on a comic that has been around at least since the 70's, with characters that have been around at least since the 30's. I do not see how any comic book show can be considered original.

M

Show a little respect (3, Insightful)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465079)

Isn't this just like the Justice League series on Cartoon network, with Marvel characters? Wow, They're original.
A FF cartoon may not be all that original, but the FF is the group that put Marvel Comics on the map and revitalized the entire industry. Even Superman, Batman, and the rest of the Justice League owe a great deal to the Fantastic Four.

Re:Show a little respect (2, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465362)

A FF cartoon may not be all that original, but the FF is the group that put Marvel Comics on the map and revitalized the entire industry. Even Superman, Batman, and the rest of the Justice League owe a great deal to the Fantastic Four.

Fantastic 4 began, IIRC in the 60's. Batman and Superman date at least to the 30's, Wonder Woman the 40's. Fantastic 4 was effectively Marvel's answer to DC (original name: Detective Comics)

Marvel kinda imploded between the late 80's and early 90's, verging on bankruptcy, when the comics market collapsed (like so many other fad markets) after overheating on about 47 million X characters and all their own lines of comics. Eventually they did some house cleaning and had some goofy war to re-establish a manageable core of characters, about as shameful as DC's death of Superman.

can't believe I actually know this crap...

Re:Show a little respect (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465475)

You missed my entire point. The comics industry was floundering when Fantastic Four #1 was released in 1961. The popularity of that book and those characters (along with later ones like Spider-Man and the Avengers) revitalized comics (including DC) and led to what is arguably the industry's most successful era. IOW, FF is like the NES of comics. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the others might have faded into obscurity if it weren't for the FF.

Re:Show a little respect (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465543)

You missed my entire point. The comics industry was floundering when Fantastic Four #1 was released in 1961

Actually the comic market was in dire straits thanks to the attention of Congress and the acceptance by the industry of the Comics Code [dm.net] There's a reason people often refer to the late 40's and 50's as the Golden Age of comics. EC, the publisher of MAD suffered considerable as their stock in trade was drama and horror, much of which posed ethical dilemmas to readers.

Creating a bunch of harmless super heroes who fought megalomaniacal (or just plain evil) villains was more acceptable and the industry had to find it's feet again. Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman were already pretty safe as they already fit the mould.

Re:Show a little respect (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465582)

Well, now that I think about it some more, "floundering" wasn't the right word. The first appearance of Barry Allen (Showcase #4) was the start of the turnaround, but it really kicked into high gear when Marvel got involved.

Re:Show a little respect (5, Informative)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465708)

Erm, no. Not really.

The 1950s were a really bad decade for comics, as publishers substantially scaled back their output, and then the publicy outcry over some percieved link between comics and juvenile deliquency that led to the creation of the Comics Code Authority. All this is true, but the fact of the matter is that the situation had massive improved by the end of the decade.

DC led the resurgence of the market by reviving a number of its older, 1940s era properties. The first among these was the Flash, but that was followed, in short order, by others, like Green Lantern, Hawkman, the Atom, and so on (Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman were, of course, still around, being just about the only characters to survive through the "dry" years). By 1960, things were looking good enough for DC to revive the Justice Society of America, which had been its main superhero team back in the 1940s. Updated to feature the new characters, and retitled the Justice League of America, it premiered in 1960, and was an immediate hit, moving very quickly from occassional appearances in one of DC's "showcase" books (Brave and the Bold) to its own title.

The Fantastic Four, though quite successful, were latecomers to all of this. The traditional story goes that the publisher of Timely Comics, Martin Goodman, was playing a round of golf with Jack Liebowitz, DC's publisher. Liebowitz was bragging about the success of Justice League, and so Goodman's response was to immediately go to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, who were on Timely's staff, and tell them to come up with Timely's own version of the JLA, changed just enough so as to avoid raising the ire of DC's lawyers.

Published under the new name of Marvel, Fantastic Four was the publisher's first big success since the 1940s, and propelled Lee and Kirby to the forefront of the genre. It allowed Timely/Marvel to start investing more effort into superhero comics, and paved the way for such titles as Spider-Man, the Hulk, and X-Men. So it was important, in the long view, but it did not save the industry. It was merely another entry into a comic book renaissance that was already well under way by that time.

I already caught my mistake (1)

lavar78 (573962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465746)

Yeah, I already realized I made a mistake and mentioned that earlier. Thanks, though.

Re:The Justice League? (1)

SamSim (630795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465289)

That would be more of a good thing. I haven't seen the new Justice League Extreme series, but Justice League was one of the best animated series I'd seen in a good long while. If the FF show compares then I'll be happy.

Re:The Justice League? (1)

pough (80431) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465327)

A timeline...

1940 - Justice Society of America (later renamed to league)
1961 - Fantastic Four
2004 - One of the abnormals notices that superhero groups are unoriginal

Re:The Justice League? (1)

Sabaki (531686) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465330)

Seems appropriate, since Stan Lee created the Fantastic Four back in the 60s in response to DC's superhero team-ups being so popular.

good news! (1)

lawngnome (573912) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464982)

Sounds good... I just hope it dosent get delayed to death like the first version of the movie.

Re:good news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465006)

delayed death? please. have you SEEN that movie? it deserved to be clubbed with baby seals!

What will they think of next? (3, Funny)

tapin (157076) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464985)

What will they think of next? Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends?

Maybe they'll go completely out on a limb and use Iceman or Spider-Woman.

It'd be even better if Stan Lee did the narration.

Boy, I can't wait!

Re:What will they think of next? (1)

BeesTea (580793) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465297)

This should really be mod'd funny.. all of these things have hapened.

Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465332)

It was iceman and Firestar, not spider-woman.

I liked the show, mostly because it didn't have the Hulk, and I don't like the Hulk.

It wasn't actually very good.

Flying bathtub again? (3, Funny)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464986)

I wonder will the Fantastic Car be the same flying bathtub I remember from the old Fantasitc Four animated series. Anyone remember that? Gawd it was lame!

Re:Flying bathtub again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465077)

I wonder will the Fantastic Car be the same flying bathtub I remember from the old Fantasitc Four animated series. Anyone remember that? Gawd it was lame!

I always thought it was a tricked out Oldsmobile convertable.

Capitalism at it's finest... (5, Insightful)

Dominatus (796241) | more than 9 years ago | (#10464998)

"What we are trying to do with our major brands is to support them in every way possible," Marvel Studios chairman and CEO Avi Arad said. "To support the franchise between sequels, we'll have the animated series, the video games (through Activision) and the merchandise licensing. We are just elated to be reintroducing this huge property." And by "support" they obviously mean "suck dry"

Re:Capitalism at it's finest... (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465646)

At least they're retaining some of their dignity.

Remember in the 80's when they kept running ads for a Captain America musical? Hooo boy...

What's with this crap? (0, Troll)

AssTard (684911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465015)

I mean, come on, what person with the mental age above 10 gives a flying crap about comic books? What the hell is this? Give me a f'in break already with this stupid ass cartoon crap.

Fantastic Four: The animated series (4, Interesting)

BobWeiner (83404) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465027)

A Fantastic Four animated cartoon would be great -- tho no doubt the powers at be at Marvel will some how bastardize the TV version. Still, it's better to see the focus on characters other than the X-Men and Spiderman.

Forget the whales, and bring back Power Man and Iron Fist!

I guess we'll have to call them... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465038)

...the Freedom Four under new dept of homeland security regulations.

Forget the Human Torch... (2, Funny)

ewtrowbr (590292) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465053)

Bring back Herbie the Robot!!!

Correction (3, Insightful)

eseiat (650560) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465085)

"What we are trying to do with our major brands is to support them in every way possible," Marvel Studios chairman and CEO Avi Arad said.

This should actually read, "What we are trying to do with our major brands is whore them out to all suitors and make as much money as possible from them, thereby turning everyone's childhood memories against their pocket books, and allowing us to swim in the vast pools of money we have always dreamed of."

Spelling. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465151)

Still looks like editors don't seem to do their job. Shouldn't that be "heroes"?

Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? (4, Insightful)

goneutt (694223) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465168)

Okay, there have been plenty of bad, and a few good, take offs of marvel comics. Is the proliferation of marvel movies because it's profitable or because they can't write a new idea.

I hope they actually kill people in the new animated series. If batman woulda just frick'n killed the joker he woulda saved gotham millions.(This is why Cowboy Bebop kicks ass)

Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465246)

Is the proliferation of marvel movies because it's profitable or because they can't write a new idea.

Yes to both. When was the last time we saw a "super hero" in a popular movie on the big screen that wasn't copied from a comic book?

Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? (1)

SamSim (630795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465338)

Something of a tangent, and something of a ***spoiler***, but in the animated movie Batman Beyond: Return Of The Joker [imdb.com] , the Joker does indeed get killed. Twice. It's actually a pretty good movie, I recommend it.

Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? (1)

The G Man (225948) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466227)

But if you can, get the unedited version, it makes more sense (they took out some of the violence and creepy plot stuff after Columbine). I give it 2 thumbs up.

Re:Does this indicate there's nothing new to do? (1)

DavidBrown (177261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465884)

I hope they actually kill people in the new animated series. If batman woulda just frick'n killed the joker he woulda saved gotham millions.(This is why Cowboy Bebop kicks ass)

I can't imagine any American animation depicting a woman pretending to be pregnant while smuggling highly illegal and dangerous drugs under her maternity dress. Except the Venture Bros. And that was just the first episode of Cowboy Bebop.

New Marvel 'What If" series coming soon? (1)

randomErr (172078) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465201)

Imagine an animated version of "What The". Aelita and crew VS Warlock. How about Funky Cops vs Mojo?

What If -- What The.. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465738)

What If, IIRC was crossover stuff, What the... was self parody. I've got several of the early What the... comics, which had some pretty funny send-ups. Once they got through most of the line it became a too much of a stretch other than an occasional gem later on. The Pulverizer was pretty hilarious.

Justice League (1)

bholub (738473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465253)

A few months ago (before I got rid of TV) I found myself watching (and enjoying) Justice League on Cartoon network quite a bit. It was on just before the switch to Adult Swim which was an ideal timeslot for me.

Re:Justice League (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465601)

A few months ago (before I got rid of TV) I found myself watching (and enjoying) Justice League on Cartoon network quite a bit. It was on just before the switch to Adult Swim which was an ideal timeslot for me.

About the Wonder Twins... [penny-arcade.com]

as long as... (3, Funny)

mforbes (575538) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465265)

they don't 'baby-ize' it like that godawful teen titans series.

Honestly, I take umbrage at that piece of crap. The comic I remember from back in the 80s was dark and ominous-- not cute and cuddly.

Am I Alone? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465266)

Anyone else except me ever wonder about Mr. Fantastic and many ways his stretching power can be applied in sexual ways?

Re:Am I Alone? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Writer (746272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465412)

Why does that remind me of a particular shock site? I can't believe how slashdot has corrupted my mind.

Re:Am I Alone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465958)

Actually, this has been addressed in the comic book line a couple times...

Who was fan of this comic series? (3, Interesting)

anactofgod (68756) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465281)

I dunno. I never could get into this series of comic books. X-men, Spiderman, Hulk, The West Coast Avengers...I liked almost every other Marvel series better than F4. Two of the four team members (Reed and Sue Richards) had lame superpowers and the plots seemed kinda hokey and dated.

Johnny was alright. And Ben Grimm/Thing was good in his own series...esp those times he faced off with The Hulk.

"IT'S CLOBBERING TIME!!!"

What we REALLY need... (2, Funny)

BaltikaTroika (809862) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465295)

Who cares about the Fantastic Four? What the people are truly demanding is a live-action Q-Bert movie!

BaltikaTroika

Will the show run like the Mainframe Spider-Man? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465336)

It seems nobody noticed, but the Mainframe version was pretty good, both in stories and technology. Too bad Mainframe never make cartoons in sufficient quantities. Hopefully this F4 series won't be a dumbed-down kiddie cartoon.

Remember when... (4, Funny)

nsample (261457) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465355)

...an "animated TV series" used to be abbreviated as "cartoon?" Those were the days.

Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon? (4, Funny)

jerkychew (80913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465364)

Tell your Tivo to grab "Spiderman and His Amazing Friends", the old cartoon series that (I believe) Fox Family is re-running. It's awesome. I don't mean awesome in that it's a good show; I mean awesome in an MST3K-type way.

Basically, Spiderman has 2 friends/ roommates. Firestarter is this hot chick that turns into a fireball at a moment's notice and burns everything in her path. As an added bonus, she has a permanent cameltoe.

Then there's Iceman, the other roommate who can (you guessed it) turn into a frozen bald guy that looks strikingly like Silver Surfer, and freeze everything in his path.

The best part about this show (besides the aforementioned cameltoe) is the shoestring budget it must have had. The voice of Iceman is the same dude that voiced Fred in the Scooby Doo cartoon. But what's funny is that he's also the voice of virtually every erroneous character in the show. He doesn't even try to mask it. New bad guy? Give him Iceman's voice. Shopkeeper at the local store? Iceman.

The show is great fun to watch, especially while drinking. I highly recommend it to everyone. Let's hope that this F4 cartoon is slightly higher quality... or if it sucks, let's hope it's the same level of sucktitude that envelops Spidey and his amazing friends. Either way, we win.

Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon (3, Funny)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465632)

Firestarter is this hot chick that turns into a fireball

That's FireSTAR, you philistine!

The old Spiderman cartoon rocked!! (2, Informative)

Drunken_Jackass (325938) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465973)

That is still my favorite cartoon from when i was a kid. That and G.I.Joe (a real american hero, you know - and knowing is half the battle).

I was pretty impressed with the new Spiderman CG series that appeared on MTv after the first movie. Besides being voiced by some bad choices - Ian Ziering from Beverly Hills 90210 voiced Harry, and Jewel was MJ, and Peter Parker was voiced by Doogie Howser MD it was a good series that served as a good arc between movies.

However, they did have some fresh villians - one of the things that the first Spiderman series (with Iceman and Firestorm), and the animation was really cool - especially all of the self casting shadows.

If this new cartoon (let's face it, they're still cartoons) is as good as that.

I also think you can get the new series on DVD now.

Re:Will it be as good as the old Spiderman cartoon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10466166)

You'll be better off with the Mainframe's Spidey series. Too bad it was so darn short.

The Fear I have for this (1)

The_Myth (84113) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465367)

Is that the people making it will turn out another exceedingly crap version of the Fantastic Four. If they cater this to late teens / late 20's instead of 11 and 12 year olds they might actually have a story that is worth watching.

lamest...cartoon...ever (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465568)

The fantastic four was part of a generations of cartoons that were just lame. At least for kids. IIRC, the basic dynamic of the show was a roommate situation and the villian destroying was not nearly the highest priority. It was all about relationships and feeling and that kind of crap. Which would be fine except it took itself too seriously.

Other cartoons of this period still make good money because they appeal to the adolescent male. The fantastic four just doesn't.

Anyone else? (3, Interesting)

BackwardHatClub (763903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465699)

Am I the only one here who remembers a Fantastic Four series from about 10 years ago? Ran back to back with Iron Man usually? In my market it was on Sunday mornings at 6AM (great time slot). I just looked through this whole thread and I didn't see one mention of this cartoon, now I'm wondering if I'm the only one who remembers it.

I always thought that... (4, Funny)

Xaoswolf (524554) | more than 9 years ago | (#10465705)

The fantast 4 were gayest superheroes ever...

Lets take a look.

You have a man who can stretch any part of his body

A man who is rock hard

and a man who is rather flaming

And none of the team can see the only woman because she is invisible.

Totally gay...

Re:I always thought that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10466116)

You need to go out on a date, homophobe. Then you won't spend so much time sitting around, thinking up shit like this.

Raster and the mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465827)

I would like to see cartoons of our favorite linux developers, authors, and basic nerds. Geeks in space only visual.

Any chance of seeing the 1994 Fantastic Four Movie (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10465868)

The first Fantastic Four was made in 1994 but never released because unbeknown to the cast and crew, the movie was never intended to be released, and was made only because the studio who owned the rights to make a Fantastic Four movie would have lost the rights if they did not begin production by a certain date.

it won't be as cool... (2, Insightful)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466238)

No matter what they do, the show won't be as cool as the spoof of the Fantastic Four on The Venture Brothers [tvtome.com] . Here's a thought: ever wonder what it would be like to be constantly on fire? They did. It'd suck.

Oh great... (1)

MisterTeabag (664494) | more than 9 years ago | (#10466289)

Cue the H.E.R.B.I.E jokes...
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