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Fedora Core 3: What's in store?

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the lots-of-shots dept.

Red Hat Software 29

Chris writes "To give you a feel for what to expect in Core 3, we've done 120 screenshots of a full installation of Fedora Core 3 Test 3. Our screenshots include Gnome, KDE, and XPce interfaces. This is the last planned test release before the final release, scheduled for November 1."

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find the right one? (1)

schmu_20mol (806069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10512725)

and the only good one is the one with the kernel panicking.... go and look out for it

looks just like 2 to me (4, Interesting)

i621148 (728860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10512907)

what reason do we have for upgrading now? these rapid release schedules are TOO rapid. i have stopped even looking for binary rpms anymore.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10512949)


Do you need to be on the cutting edge?

I'm still using a nearly 1 year old setup of Debian. Other than some security updates, I haven't played with it much. Why bother? It's just a pure hassle.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

chthon (580889) | more than 9 years ago | (#10524197)

I do play with it. I set up a local mirror at my home, in which I download every night the updates of the packages.

I use this to automatically upgrade all my UML instances that I am running, and also to easily upgrade my portables and my father's computer (from my portable).

I haven't seen much breakage in more than 6 months of mirroring, occasionally postfix which cannot be automatically configured, but that's all.

I think that the community around Fedora should do the same, or maybe they do that already.

Is 'Core N' a stable snapshot, or what ?

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

noselasd (594905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10512965)

The use RHEL or one of it free counterparts [whiteboxlinux.org] .
6 moths or so schedule isn't that uncommon or rapid btw.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

M1FCJ (586251) | more than 9 years ago | (#10513528)

I installed Centos 3 on a two-way Xeon Dell server, which works perfectly. No license/support costs (and no support of course) but it works fine, running Oracle and Tomcat on one of our test systems. I had the CDs lying around, SuSE SLES8 wouldn't boot out of the box and I didn't have any time to fix it. Works like a dream and stellar performance. I know it is mainly due to Redhat team but I found Centos a very good replacement for it. We're supposed to replace it with the 'company' distro (SuSE) but I can't be bothered with it. Waste of time in my opinion. If it ain't broken, don't fix it!

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

Deagol (323173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10513738)

Because it's a major pain in the ass to install many multimedia apps on RHEL. We support the AS and WS versions in my office. Some dude wanted Xine installed, and I couldn't shoehorn those apps in (with RPMs anyway) no matter how hard I tried. Library dependency hell in it's worst form. :)

Too bad the FreshRPMS crew doesn't support at least RHEL WS, but I understand that they can only handle so much. Their Fedora Core2 support is awesome, though. A call to apt-get and I can can install xine and mplayer without breaking a sweat.

Maybe the likes of Whitebox (or the whatever) have fixed this?

Re:looks just like 2 to me (2, Informative)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 9 years ago | (#10513874)

Dag supprts RHEL.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

Deagol (323173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10514164)

What -- or who -- is "dag"?

For Core 2 I install the "apt" package from freshrpms, then I'm up and running. How does one do this for RHEL?

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

Smylers (139467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10514143)

what reason do we have for upgrading now?

Perhaps you have no reason for upgrading now; apart from anything else it depends what you're running at the moment. Personally I'm running Fedora Core 1, and since I missed 2 am planning on installing 3.

these rapid release schedules are TOO rapid.

That doesn't follow: having more releases doesn't force you to upgrade more often. What it does do is give you freedom to upgrade at times you choose.

You might only want to upgrade every couple of years, but at the point you do upgrade you want to upgrade to something that's almost current. If a distro has lots of releases then whenever you choose to upgrade you get that.

But if a distro only releases every couple of years then either you have to plan your upgrades to co-incide with the distro's, or risk having software that's up to 4 years out of date (in the worst case, where your need to upgrade is just before a release comes out, so even your 'new' software is a years old at that point).

Smylers

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

hawkbug (94280) | more than 9 years ago | (#10514405)

That doesn't follow: having more releases doesn't force you to upgrade more often. What it does do is give you freedom to upgrade at times you choose.

Actually, it does. Did you know that FC1 is already going into legacy mode, meaning no more updates for it? That just blows my mind. Granted, these people aren't paid for their work, so I can't complain - but if I were running an open source project like this I would commit to updates for atleast 2.5 years after product release, and I would release a new version every 1.5 to 2 years to have some overlap.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (2, Informative)

Smylers (139467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10514589)

having more releases doesn't force you to upgrade more often. What it does do is give you freedom to upgrade at times you choose.
Actually, it does. Did you know that FC1 is already going into legacy mode, meaning no more updates for it?

The principle of having frequent releases doesn't force upgrades in itself; a distrubutor dropping support does that, regardless of release frequency, and it isn't a reason for stating that frequent releases are bad.

Yes, I do know that Red Hat don't support Fedora 1 any more, but it is supported by The Fedora Legacy Project [fedoralegacy.org] . So nobody has to upgrade: they can just get their updates from there instead.

Smylers

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

dan_bethe (134253) | more than 9 years ago | (#10515773)

All of that is completely mistaken. It does not mean no more updates. It means essentially nothing at all to the end user and to anyone who's not a core developer. It simply means the distro version migrates to being managed by the Fedora Legacy [fedoralegacy.org] project for updates. Besides that, any product needs a feature freeze upon initial release anyway, or else it's not a product. So security and bugfix updates will come for a very long time. Absolutely nothing to see here.

Re:looks just like 2 to me (2, Insightful)

Smylers (139467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10514173)

what reason do we have for upgrading now? these rapid release schedules are TOO rapid.

Another reason for frequent releases is to cope with new hardware. The reason I'm running Fedora at all is because there's no chance of Debian Woody installing on kit I bought this year.

So even if there's no reason for any existing installations to be upgraded, having frequent releases helps those who are installing on to newly purchased hardware.

Smylers

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

jovlinger (55075) | more than 9 years ago | (#10515167)

'cause looks are the reason we upgrade distros

Re:looks just like 2 to me (1)

i621148 (728860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10515725)

I guess a lot of these replies are right on target. I should have switched to SUSE at the beginning of the whole RH to Fedora migration, but I already had all my config files all tweaked out. I really like FC2. I think i am just going to stay with it on the main server and live in the OS X laptop environment. Now if only they would come out with OS X for x86 :)

XPce ? (1)

noselasd (594905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10512922)

Make that XFce, not XPce.

Linux UI creators: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10512926)


Please, stop using Windows XP-like interfaces and 20pt fonts.

Thanks

What awesome screenshots (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10512961)

Number 3 [osdir.com] is definately the best.

What did they do, go a screen grab every time the screen changed?

Re:What awesome screenshots (1)

xoran99 (745620) | more than 9 years ago | (#10533019)

lol, it looks like it... The first 35 pics are of the setup process, and then you get a screenshot showing EVERY SUBMENU of the main menu... two for those submenus that scroll... BOOORING!

They're pulling a microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10513223)

Remember when Microsoft would push out as many new versions of Word/Office/Internet Explorer as they could? Each version was buggy but at least they had all the features that you could possibly imagine. Well to me Redhat exemplifies this in the Open Source world. They seem to be sprinting to get as many people as possible on their platform which is understandable. I just hate a few things about their OS and desktop.

I much prefer using Ubuntu(desktop) or Slackware(server) because I know what I installed and I know that it has sensible defaults which won't bug the hell out of me down the road. Fedora wants me to have a Windows desktop it seems. I just hate that.

They know that people will go to the most popular linux when they decide to make the switch and unfortunatly people stay with whatever crap they decide upon in the first place. I wished more people would use something else. I keep on telling everyone in my office "Anything but fedora!". The ones that switch to Gentoo, Ubuntu or Slackware (with dropline gnome) are really happy they did the switch. Others want to change but think it is too much hassle.

Re:They're pulling a microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10513512)

IDIOT!

Props to the Fedora Team (1)

00Monkey (264977) | more than 9 years ago | (#10513299)

Personally, as a heavy Gnome user, I think the changes in Gnome 2.8 alone are worth the new version of Fedora. I've been waiting for "File Types" to be fully functional for awhile. When you want bleeding edge, you have to have a rapid release cycle.

Irony (4, Funny)

MarkedMan (523274) | more than 9 years ago | (#10513453)

OK, this will get me modded to troll, but isn't there something so... Linux-like... about someone very enthusiastically trumpeting an information page that consists of (drum roll) 120 unlabeled links...

Re:Irony (1)

reallocate (142797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10515238)

But, think of all that choice! That's what it is all about, right?

Can I infer from the option of SELinux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10517214)

the presence of nice GUI controls for ACL's?

Fedora (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10517629)

Our screenshots include Gnome, KDE, and XPce interfaces.

And people wonder "Why Linux isn't on the desktop?"

The Linux kernel is _almost_ ready for the desktop, but someone needs to put a stop to this "Desktop" insanity of 2 main "desktop environments" with some unknown number of other widgets and toolkits.

If RH, or some other company would just say we are only going to support Gnome or KDE or preferably something else besides a windows knockoff, then we will have progress. And then only progress.

Someone needs to figure out how to install software on a Linux system, some logical and good separation between "root" and "normal guy", and so on.

A good start would be to look at what Apple has done with UNIX as well as their GUI enhancements, but please don't ship a knockoff that either.

Re:Fedora (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518886)

The Linux kernel is _almost_ ready for the desktop, but someone needs to put a stop to this "Desktop" insanity of 2 main "desktop environments" with some unknown number of other widgets and toolkits.

i bet youll freak out when you find out that there are even more WM available for linux.

THIS is what makes it such a wonderfull OS! its about choices. you can pick your gui out of more then ten different interfaces. i dont want someone else to make this decision for me.

Someone needs to figure out how to install software on a Linux system, some logical and good separation between "root" and "normal guy", and so on.

i dont get what you mean. rights management works perfect here!
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