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Russian Mock Mars Mission

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the stir-crazy dept.

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sdriver writes "CNN reports that Russia is attempting a 500-day mock Mars mission. The article goes on to say, "six volunteers will depend on a preset limit of supplies, including about 5 tons of food and oxygen and 3 tons of water." Also, "Experiment participation is not solely reserved for Russian volunteers, institute officials added."

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In Soviet Russia... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518249)

Mars comes to cosmonauts!

(Sorry, I had to.)

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518260)

Mars mission mocks YOU!

Re:In Soviet Russia... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518519)

Slashdot trolls YOU!!!

~m

Heh (5, Funny)

bigjocker (113512) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518256)

Well, if the US mocked the moon landing, I suppose it's time for the russians for their share of airtime!!!

Re:Heh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518292)

When they are done mocking Mars, they can move on to the other minor gods, then move up to Jupiter and Saturn!

Doesn't seem like a great idea, but at least they have a plan.

soviet mars (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518259)

On Soviet Mars, they mock Russia. "HA! Weak humans."

In Soviet Russia (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518263)

Mars Mission Mocks YOU!

Given enough bandwidth... (3, Funny)

GrAfFiT (802657) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518269)

...it's ok for me !

Re:Given enough bandwidth... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518369)

You can have all the bandwidth you can eat, but, the simulated latency, it's gonna suck, dude.

Re:Given enough bandwidth... (1)

GrAfFiT (802657) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518400)

You can have all the bandwidth you can eat, but, the simulated latency, it's gonna suck, dude.
Ho shit, then no zero-gravity CounterStrike...

ummm... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518270)

six volunteers will depend on a preset limit of supplies, including about 5 tons of food and oxygen and 3 tons of water





But how is that any different from regular russia?

Re:ummm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518295)

Shorter lines.

Supplies.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518271)

5 tons of hershey bars
3 tons of Jolt cola..

Re:Supplies.. (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518554)

5 tons of hershey bars
3 tons of Jolt cola..

And 490 days of playing d00m, quake and all other sorts of video games.

"fragski, iz my turn take pictures of earth again? Bah!"

New on MTV Russia (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518273)

This is the true story of six volunteers, picked to live inside a capsule and have their lives taped to find out what happens when people stop being polite, and start being real. The Real Mars.

reality tv (2, Funny)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518337)

Actually, this would make a good reality tv show, and maybe even gather public support for a mission...

However, in space, I don't know how well being "voted off" would go over...

Re:reality tv (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518506)

Oh, c'mon, that's not a problem. Instead of injecting them into space, you just eat them. That solves the problem of food in space. The last person to remain will use the penultimate player as a lifeboat once they land back on earth. It literally writes itself!

Re:New on MTV Russia (1)

sisukapalli1 (471175) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518540)

Naah... most of the reality shows center upon "who wins the prize, or how much they won" part -- as someone else said, there has to be a lot of "voting off" stuff to be there to be a reality hit.

S

Welcome to BioDome buuuuudy (4, Funny)

netsavior (627338) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518277)

oops I mean, no I didn't see that, nobody saw that movie

Re:Welcome to BioDome buuuuudy (1)

raitchison (734047) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518299)

No I didn't see it either.

I'm off to weez some juice.

Or was that from Encino Man? (a different movie I didn't see)

Re:Welcome to BioDome buuuuudy (1)

niczon (816562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518348)

I wonder if they'll have to use recycled cigarette filters to fix their damaged air supply after having a wild party with Mock Martians.

Good idea (4, Funny)

s4m7 (519684) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518281)

better to find out now the likelihood of cosmonauts going nuts and killing each other when crammed in a tin for 500 days, than in the black depths of space.

Mocking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518283)

They can mock it all they want. I still think it is a good idea! Damn rooskies.

Human survival (5, Insightful)

usefool (798755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518285)

Will this be a true test of human survial though?

Since volunteers is allowed to quit the experiment if they develop a severe ailment or psychological stress, most likely they won't try hard enough to survive the journey.

However in real life-and-death situation, people tend to do amazing things just to stay alive.

Re:Human survival (4, Insightful)

phreakmonkey (548714) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518403)

Since volunteers is allowed to quit the experiment if they develop a severe ailment or psychological stress, most likely they won't try hard enough to survive the journey.

I agree. Furthermore- the knowledge that you are "safe" if anything goes wrong will grossly affect your behavior. For instance, walk on a three inch wide beam that's resting on the ground. Most people can do it without even flinching. Now do the same thing suspended 20 feet above concrete.

Since a lot of this experiement is to see how well the people cope with being in this environment with each other, I question some of the validity. I'm sure there is data that can be gathered, but I would imagine that most of that isn't long-term stuff. I'm betting that the further into the 500 day mission we get the less accurate the reflection of human behavior in that environment is going to be.

Of course, if the whole idea is just to see how well the food, water, O2, &etc rationing works, then I stand corrected- but it seems that an extrapolation model based on a, oh, 150 day mission would be a little more reasonable. {shrug}

-PM

Re:Human survival (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518490)

I agree. Furthermore- the knowledge that you are "safe" if anything goes wrong will grossly affect your behavior. For instance, walk on a three inch wide beam that's resting on the ground. Most people can do it without even flinching. Now do the same thing suspended 20 feet above concrete.
I'm tired of hearing this argument. Try comparing one foot off the ground with twenty feet off the ground.

Re:Human survival (3, Interesting)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518410)

The funny thing is that the latest National Geographic's Adventure contained a question from a hiker who had asked if he could train himself to have less water. The question was answered by a seasoned Everest explorer who also happened to be a doctor.

Apparently, it does not make any difference because your body releases certain chemicals under those stressful situations that helps you adapt, and there is no way you can artificially force your body to release those. He also mentioned that while you may try living on a colder condition to prepare for an Arctic exploration or try living in hot weather to prepare yourself for a desert situation, your body's physical needs (water, food, etc) cannot really be altered that much.

Those are largely dependent on food habits you were raised on, your body mass and a lot of other things. Can't seem to find the article online, though.

Re:Human survival (3, Insightful)

KitFox (712780) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518415)

That is very accurate. The end results won't be accurate. When you KNOW that you have an out, your psyche isn't affected nearly the same.

It can also happen the opposite of what you indicate. You say that they may not try hard enough to survive, and thus will succumb to the stress more easily. It may also REDUCE the stress, knowing that if you ever decide that you want out, you can get out, so you take things more with a grain of salt. No panic of knowing that if something goes wrong, you're utterly doomed.

The downside is that doing a true test would involve putting peoples' lives in danger. Or at the VERY least, having a single blind test, in which the people going into it are absolutely convinced that reality says that if something goes wrong, nobody can save them. (You can still go in and save them, but they must have NO way of knowing that you can or will.)

Re:Human survival (3, Interesting)

usefool (798755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518461)

having a single blind test, in which the people going into it are absolutely convinced that reality says that if something goes wrong, nobody can save them.

Ahhh.. that's actually possible, just send those volunteers in for a couple of days, then violently shake the facility, maybe some sparks and whatno, and inform them that the entrance's jammed tight, and "we are working on it" for the next 500 days :)

Re:Human survival (1)

shpoffo (114124) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518526)

It will be different, but it will also incrase our capabilities of risk management for those situations.

.
-shpoffo

Heh ... (5, Funny)

Poietes (753035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518288)

I read this as "Russian mocks Mars mission" and pictured Alexander Putin dancing around a table making fun a NASA scientist.

"Oh yes, we land on Mars, yes, aren't we clever? I'm so clever with my MIT degree, I'm a clever little scientist. Those Americans think they're so smart with their advanced rocketry. It makes me so mad. Get me a vodka, Yuri."

Re:Heh ... (1)

El (94934) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518336)

Uh, isn't his name actually Vladimir Putin?

Re:Heh ... (2, Funny)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518360)

Bah, once you unleash the power of the Awesome Russian Vodka (TM), Alexandar, Sasha, Dmitry, Vladimir are all one and the same.

I mean, almost every other Russian guy I've known is either a Vladimir or a Dmitry or an Alexandar (Sasha). And boy, I know atleast 5 Russian women named Anastasia. Must be the Vodka, am sure.

Memory problems (1)

Engineer-Poet (795260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518423)

He seems to have conflated Vladimir Putin and Alexander Pushkin.

(Hey, they're both Russian, they all look the same from the USA right? Dead poet, live almost-dictator, can't be bothered with trivial distinctions.)

Re:Heh ... (1)

Poietes (753035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518440)

No, no, Alexander Putin the president's cousin, author of The Putins Kin [pravda.ru]. Did you think I meant the president?

No, I definitely meant Alexander. Definitely.

Re:Heh ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518379)

Dont forget

In soviet russia, Mars mocks you!

Re:Heh ... (1)

dynamo (6127) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518558)

And I read it as "Russians Mock Mars Mission" - as in, the Russians as a country are laughing their asses off at America's "president"'s brief mental sidetrack a while ago into sending americans to mars -- aka a sad attempt at diversion.

Mars, bitches!

I recall hearing about something like this (4, Funny)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518293)

That happened maybe five years ago. Don't know what the duration was, though. I'm pretty sure it was only a few months.

They could probably fund this by doing a reality TV show, heh. And if you RTFA, they say that no women will be allowed to volunteer - so it'll probably be just like a /.'ers every day life: no women, stuck in a tiny room in front of a computer screen, food in granola bar form (Oblig. Simpsons: "if you put food in bar form, you unleash it's awesome power"), no social contact, etc.

Locked in a metal tube with a bunch of guys? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518312)

including about 5 tons of food and oxygen and 3 tons of water . . . . .Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers.

Doesn't sound terribly exciting . . . No prOn?

Flying cum in zero gravity. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518481)

Like, ewww, dude. You DON'T want pr0n in that setting.

Male only (2, Insightful)

usefool (798755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518314)

Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers.

Geezz I wonder why. And they'll probably get a similar result just by looking into any male-only student flat :)

Re:Male only (1)

csimpkin (808625) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518351)

I imagine there a concerns about how much room is available. Have you ever seen a woman pack for a weekend? Could you imagine how many suitcases would be needed for 500 days?

Re:Male only (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518432)

Wouldn't sexual withdrawal present itself as an issue? It's a normal part of life - not for us nerds, though - and should be factored into the equation. Or hell, the men will resort to homosexuality. Problem solved. Disregard my post.

Re:Male only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518450)

No women! That's terrible. Everyone knows that Mars needs women.

Re:Male only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518520)

5 straight religous guy's and one gay russian sailor!

What will the volunteers do? (1)

rmadhuram (525803) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518319)

but what are they going to DO for 500 days?? There would probably be no experiments to run in the mock capsule..

Re:What will the volunteers do? (2, Funny)

GrAfFiT (802657) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518349)

Trying not to kill each others or get killed by some buggy onboard computer would be a good start.

Re:What will the volunteers do? (1)

Homology (639438) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518564)

but what are they going to DO for 500 days?? There would probably be no experiments to run in the mock capsule..

They proably will spend alot of time just to keep things running smoothly, besides their experiments. On a real Mars mission, the participants will be highly trained, and most (if not all) of them will have PhD. Boredom will be a serious issue, and so will the noise level.

It's the biodome (0, Redundant)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518335)

It's the biodome, the biodome. The BIO DOOOOOOOOME.
yak.

Really, who wants to do it for 500 days?

What if the other volunteers are hot chicks?

make sure there ain't (1)

ndrtkr (708778) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518338)

no one in the team lastnamed *betruger*... he might bring DooM on earth instead of mars...

Re:make sure there ain't (1)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518538)

" no one in the team lastnamed *betruger*... he might bring DooM on earth instead of mars..."

Don't worry, we got lots of Swann and Cambell =)

Other deprivations? (5, Interesting)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518340)

In addition to the limited supplies of food, air, and water, I would think the experiment would want to mimic the other deprivations the crew might experience on the way to and from Mars. Most notably, I'd think, they'd want to emulate the lengthening communications lag between Mission Control and the "ship". Start with the sort of glitch experienced in orbit, and drag it out to the full 6-10 minutes.

Also, you'd want to make the communication link have a realistic bandwidth. Whatever is the state of the art at "launch" is what they're stuck with for the duration of the trip.

Now, if this were an episode of "Survivor: Mars", you'd throw in a monkey wrench... maybe a Galileo-style communications system error, where their phat pipe gets cut down to 300 baud, and the men fight over which supermodel pr0n picture to download each week.

Re:Other deprivations? (1)

mschiller (764721) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518456)

You mean what was State of the Art ten years before launch don't you?

Even if the Government pushes the state of the art in the design phase, by the time Government get's around to fully funding, building, and deploying the item in question the technology is 5-10 years old...

Re:Other deprivations? (2, Interesting)

EinarH (583836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518551)

Some keywords on stuff that can seriously fuck up ones mood; artificiall light, constantly flashing/blinking light, random blackouts, rationed power, damaged food, long and boring repairs in the scheduled sleeping time and loss of even the most basic entertainment.
And don't forget uncertainity like telling them halfway through the experiment that the government must cut the space budget and decided to start with the sallaries for the 500 days project.
Random change in mission plans and procedures are also classics.

Fun for the people planning the exercise though..

less water than food? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518386)

3 tons of water but 5 tons of food? hmm... something seems wrong.

Re:less water than food? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518516)

Ya.. where's the vodka?

This has been done before ... sort of (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518389)

and it didn't work that well. The original Biosphere tried to create a totally self-contained environment that would support life. I don't remember how long it lasted but there were lots of problems.

What scares me is that to be on the safe side, the mission should have a lot of redundancy. I bet they don't get it.

http://www.bio2.edu/

Re:This has been done before ... sort of (1)

erikharrison (633719) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518579)

This is completely different. The biodome was about creating a self sustaining ecosystem. There is no such goal here. It's just "Can they budget their food and live with the stress".

Lot of redudency is not needed at all.

No Women? (1)

oborseth (636455) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518398)

"Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers." This will fail.

Buuuddyyy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518401)

I'll give 2 to 1 odds against that Pauly Shore is a volunteer, to promote his new movie, "B2: Biodome", the second in his masterpiece trilogy.

Why is it men only? (4, Interesting)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518409)

I recall reading sometime ago that US Navy studies for crewing submarines showed women coped much better will prolonged living in confined quarters than men do and an all female submarine crew would probably have higher moral than an all male crew.

Re:Why is it men only? (1)

metlin (258108) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518445)

It's the woman helping woman thing, trust me. You know? When they have that time of the month and stuff, it's easier for a woman to "emphathise" and provide certain types of support, that you know, we all see in those nice reality shows.

Right, boys?

Re:Why is it men only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518518)

If that's true, could you imagine the hot lesbian sex after a few months.

Re:Why is it men only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518549)

*gulp*

In Soviet Russia, lesbian sex comes to YOU!

~m

Could it be? (2, Insightful)

MacFury (659201) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518468)

Gee, I know what would be clouding my thoughts every minute if I were stuck in a confined space for prolonged periods of time without any women around...

I don't think women are as...driven...

And no jokes about me not getting any. I have a gf :-)

Re:Why is it men only? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518477)

And make for a great plot for a porno.

Re:Why is it men only? (2, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518514)

There is quite a difference between a study showing that women coped much better in living in confined quarters for a prolonged period of time, and your assertion that "an all female submarine crew would probably have higher moral than an all male crew."

I don't have the foggiest whether women or men would work better in this, personally, but I'd like to make the point that better individual psychological reactions to confined quarters don't strongly imply better homogeneous group reactions to confined quarters.

RD

Re:Why is it men only? (5, Funny)

ctime (755868) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518581)

In related news, an all female crew with the sole addition of one male counter part resulted in the highest rated moral ever encountered by the Armed Forces. I, for one, welcome our all female crew ovarylords.

saussage fest? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518420)

"Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers."

damn bastards....

Obligatory: "In Soviet Russia..." (-1, Redundant)

chmilar (211243) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518428)

Mars mocks you!

Re:Obligatory: "In Soviet Russia..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518464)

Obligatory: RTFcomments

http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1255 56 &cid=10518263

Since we get so much programming from overseas... (1)

comrade009 (797517) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518470)

How long until TV Execs figure out how to make this a reality show. Chills, thrills, and exciting chemical spills, it's all on Survivor: Mars!

No suprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518492)

that russia would think of this, because Americans always have to be "politically correct" it oftens halts progress. cough stem cell research cough. Keeping people in metal tubes, volunteers are not, would never be allowed/considered ethical, in the us.

Slashdot.... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518512)

"Slashdot mocks the Russian Mock Mars Mission."

Neener, Neener, Neener, Russia like Mars!

...

Russia and Mars sitting in a tree, traveling around in an R. O. V.

...

In communist Russia, Mars mocks you!

...

Russian cosmonauts are so fat, they have their own event horizon.

Day 14 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518513)

Day 14 in the Bolshoi Komrade House, and Gregori has been getting to grips with failing last nights challange, the effect of martain gravity on plant life... as a result the Bolshoi Komrade team have only 16 rubels to spend on food and water supplies this week.

more than a year! (1)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518522)

Russian space researchers will lock six men in a metal tube for more than a year in [...] The 500 Days experiment...

That's closer to "one and a half years" than "more than a year".

Is it so bad with the post-MTV generation that they can't cope with something happening in the future? *ducks*

The worst part... (1)

Skim123 (3322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518527)

Polyakov told Interfax reporters that the 500 Days experiment will not include female volunteers.

That's probably for the best, as they are not equipped to handle childbirth, but that's gonna be one mighty lonely metal tube.

Obligatory ISR joke (0, Troll)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518528)

According to the article, in Soviet Russia, Mars missions mock you.

Alternatively, in Capitalist America, uh... Mars missions are real? No, that can't be right...

Oh, goodness, not another one... (1)

BarakMich (90556) | more than 9 years ago | (#10518546)

In the US, they'd make it a reality TV show.

Then again, could this be a means to an end? Help out NASA by making "Mars Survivor" and
a) testing the feasibility of people living on Mars
b) donating some money from advertising revenue?

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10518562)

In Soviet Russia, Mars mission mocks you.
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