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U.S. Declares War on Intellectual Property Theft

samzenpus posted about 10 years ago | from the go-get-them dept.

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bblazer writes "Reuters is running a story about a new US effort to stop intellectual property theft. From the article "The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday outlined what it called its most sweeping crackdown on bootleg DVDs, fake designer goods, illegal music downloads and counterfeit drugs." It also goes on to say that media (movies and music) is highly affected, but so are products like batteries, baby food and Viagra."

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Porn Troll Satisfies!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Porn Troll (822045) | about 10 years ago | (#10522420)

He watched the bubbles spiraling upwards in the tulip glass, then pressed it to his lips and filled his mouth. The Laurent Perrier exploded in a thousand mingled flavors as it bathed his tongue.

"Can it possibly be three years?" he thought to himself.

Three years, meeting every other month, would be eighteen encounters like the one that was to follow this evening. All told, there were eighteen delicious, decadent experiences with this wonderful woman. She was his escape for what would other wise have been and ordinary life.

Each encounter escalated in intensity, each one more exhilarating, and each one more intimate than the one before. He sipped at his glass again and began to enjoy a mental slide show when the door to the bedroom opened and she walked into the room.

He could feel his face flush as she padded across the thick carpet towards him. The look on her face could best be described as playful, but with an obvious undercurrent of passion and excitement. He could feel his cock begin to swell at the sight of her.

Her long legs were cloaked in light opaque colored thigh high stockings. Her legs flickered with a slight luminescence when the light hit them just so. Her bra was a demi-cup that cradled her breasts upwards. This insured that her nipples and the top half of her areola would be exposed. The jiggling of her breast flesh as she walked inflamed him as always, and he enjoyed the display for a moment before his eyes moved slowly down her body.

Other than the hose and the bra, she remained naked. Although light in color, the hair between her thighs was full and almost the same color of her hair, a cross between strawberry blonde and a light red, and the notch at the top of her sex clearly visible and enticing.

She reached to pick up her own glass of champagne, her breasts almost tumbling free from the bra as she did, then sat at the edge of the sofa across from him. Her eyes sparkled. "You like?"

His excitement became obvious when his voice cracked slightly, "Good God! Yes baby. Now you've done your job, it's time for mine!" He closed the distance between them, bent to kiss her, and then slowly dropped to his knees.

Slowly, as if to prolong the pleasure, he spread her thighs apart. He noticed the slight reflection of her moisture as he reached into his trouser pocket.

Long ago they had discovered there are many uses for a moustache trimmer other than those displayed on the box it came in. A wanton look spread across her face as she lay back, took another sip from her glass, and watched him as he went about his work. With near professional precision he traced the outline of her pubis, as if marking the boundary between innocent flesh and the object of his desire.

Satisfied with the first phase, he began running the trimmer across first her mound, then the puffy curves of her already swelling lips. He brushed the silken hair at the top of her slit upwards so it could receive equal attention, and when he was satisfied with his work, turned the razor off and set it on the cocktail table at the end of the sofa.

Wordlessly, he lifted her to standing and reached into his other trouser pocket. His hand returned to view, a coil of gold captured in his palm. She slowly closed her eyes and opened her arms to allow his access, one hand still holding the bubbling liquid.

He nuzzled the end of one bra cup down, exposing the whole of her nipple, then using his lips and teeth, brought it from partial to full attention. He continued to nurse on her as his hands toyed with the strand of gold. At each end was a silver clasped slipknot. He opened it just enough to slide down the length of her nipple, then pulled it taught. She gasped as she felt the pressure, not from pain, but from arousal. She took her free hand and stroked the back of his head as he repeated the procedure on her other breast.

"Sugar, you look so fucking hot! You ready for the final touch?"

Her face was in full flush. She nodded her consent. Slowly, she turned to place the glass on the table next to the trimmer. Deliberately she turned so that her body forced him to view her from the rear. She climbed on her knees up onto the sofa and rested her face on the bolstered back. Her hands slowly reached back, caressed her hips for but a second, moved lower to capture the fullness of her buttocks and slowly spread herself for him.

He could feel his cock twitch in his trousers as the alabaster globes parted to reveal the dark treasure hidden between them. His hands trembled slightly as he squirted some lubricant onto his finger and began to massage it into the wrinkled skin of this most erotic portal.

He could hear her breathing change, becoming deeper and more frequent, as he gently slid first one, then two fingers inside the tight opening. It always amazed him how tight she was, how strongly she gripped him there. Then he slowly, almost apologetically removed the fingers, leaving her agape for the briefest of seconds as he applied lubricant to the plastic plug. He kissed his way down her back, across the swell of her hips, then lapped at the top of her ass cleft as he gently pressed the tapered tip of the instrument into her opening.

Accepting, eager, she pressed outwards from somewhere deep inside, relaxing the restriction of her muscular ring and easing the entry. The probe quickly slipped inside her. She was forced to stretch to her widest width. Her anal ring pulsated as it gripped down on the narrow base. She rose slowly and turned to him, her look a combination of angel and slut, of fear and desire, and of apprehension and surrender.

They kissed deeply and she put one hand on his chest as if only by pressing herself away could she leave him, even if only temporarily. She wiggled her ass at him and looked over her shoulder with a mischievous smile, "Let me throw on something fit for public. Let's get the hell out of here!"

She reviewed her own reflection in the full-length mirror with a critical eye. She wanted to please him! She wanted him to look at her from across any room and experience the same lust for her as she had for him.

Her dress was a simple black sheath that clung to her like a glove. From the hemline to mid-calf was a slit that revealed her well-defined dancer's legs. She traced her body with her fingertips and experienced the thrill of anticipation of things to come this evening.

When she stepped into the living room he was standing on the balcony with his back to her. He was unaware of her presence. This allowed her the pleasure of watching him from a distance. He was so handsome in his black turtleneck sweater and tweed jacket. His sliver hair shimmered from the light of the moon. As she walked towards him, she was suddenly overcome with a degree of sexual arousal that was foreign to her.

The plug filled her so intimately and massaged her anus, with each step creating involuntary contractions that rippled throughout her dark cavern. Her inner walls clung to this gift he had so lovingly placed inside her and caressed this tool as an extension of her lover. Her vaginal walls began to moisten; so delicious was the pleasure produced by each step she took. Her nipples were now in a full state of arousal from the pressure and tug of the delicate gold braid.

She wondered how she could possibly make it through this night without screaming out for the entire world to know that she and this wonderful man were playing such a secret game!

She walked up behind him and wrapped her arms around him in a warm embrace. "I'm ready if you are baby." She whispered as her tongue traced his earlobe.

Through his trousers she could feel the evidence of his manhood bulge. He was wearing the silver cock-ring that she had presented as her memento to remind him always of this day. The metal ring held his testicles in full bloom. His erection was hard and elongated and very evident even fully clothed.

"Is this for me?" she teased.

He turned and pulled her into his arms where they exchange a passion filled kiss while his own hand sought to feel the base of the artificial cock that filled her ass. "Think of this as me within you all night!"

"Ready to play?" He was a skillful driver and maneuvered the car into the traffic congestion with ease. "I want you to check you inhibitions at the door!"

"Where are we going?"

"Patience, Sugar, you're really going to like the place! I promise!"

Less than twenty minutes later, they were parked outside of a nondescript building with an almost obscure sign that said, THE PLAYGROUND. He came to her side of the car and took her hand to help her exit the car.

"Make them all drool doll!" he said as he impishly pinched her buttocks.

She smiled at him with a devilish grin. "I want you to walk behind me and watch my ass and try to imagine what this feels like! And, oh yes, these are for you" she winked as she handed him her delicate panties. "I wore them long enough so you can smell me when you miss me!"

With a swish and sway to her walk she taunted him. His eyes were glued to her! She could feel his desire burn through the small distance that separated them. He caught up with her just before they reached the door.

Once inside she was tantalized by all that she saw for this was no ordinary playground. Each of her senses was immediately accentuated! This was a haven for hedonistic desire.

Music permeated her with a beat of wild tribal proportions. All around her couples were dressed for seduction, heat radiated from them, mirrors reflected light from their jewelry, dresses and the glimmer of sexual tension in all of their eyes.

Only the first minute had past and already she was held a willing captive to this environment. She squeezed his hand, "You really did it this time, Charles! I love it!"

The crowded dance floor was the object of her attention. She led him by the hand as her body surrendered to the music. As though in a hypnotic trance she began to respond to the rhythms. He followed her willingly even though he did not much enjoy dancing, but he did so enjoy watching her dance. Tonight he knew she would dance like she had never danced before.

Television screens hung around the lounge playing a different drama on each. Every imaginable sexual deed was portrayed as the playground continued to fill with new faces and new potential playmates.

"Let's get a drink." He guided her to a small table in the corner where she would be offered an unobstructed view of the landscape.

He stepped behind her just as she was about to be seated and slipped his fingers beneath the hem of her dress. The leather felt cool to her naked buttocks; but the padding was not soft and offered no cushioning for the plug. Pride prevented her from even flinching. She took that seat with a royal flair.

His hand kneaded her neck and shoulders as he directed her attention to a couple on the dance floor. "Keep an eye on those two, Sugar. Watch the heat between them! We might want to catch some of that action!"

The woman was slight in build with natural blonde hair. She danced around her mate, tempting him, rubbing against him, enticing him to respond to her! As though bewitched by a spell cast by her movements he began to roll her blouse upward. So she danced there bare breasted with an illuminate smile.

"Charles, I am so wet! I am not going to be able to leave this chair!" He laughed at her and smiled with a mocking grin.

"Yes, you will! Come on, time to dance again!" He left her no choice, dance she would!

He managed to position them so they danced beside the beautiful blonde nymph. Her eyes were like flames. She turned to Charles and stepped between them becoming his partner. "What's your name?" His eyes drilled into hers. His voice was deep and dripping with thick "honey coated" sexuality. His fingertips brushed lightly over her nubs. She grinned broadly without missing a beat of the music.

"Charlotte." She responded and twirled about to face his woman. Charlotte wrapped one arm around Sugar's waist and pulled her closer. She slid her body up and down, thrusting her pelvis forward, and grinding her feminine mound against first Charles and then his lady. Her bare breasts were aglow in sweat. Charlotte laughed coyly as she stretched upward on her toes and locked her lips in a deep kiss with Sugar's sweet lips. Both women danced to the music they now orchestrated. Charles was delighted to watch his lady in such a confused state of mind. Her face flushed with surprise, desire, and a hint of embarrassment. She was obviously stunned by the action. Yet. she returned the kiss as though it was the most natural of acts.

Charlotte's hand squeezed Sugar's buttocks, and her hand then sought the tender nipples. "I'd like to kiss these too!" On and on the two women danced oblivious to all others.

Oh that music! Shamelessly her body undulated with the beat, she danced as she visualized Charles fucking her when they got back to the hotel.

Charlotte sensed that the time was now and dropped to her knees and lifted the black dress. Their eyes were glued to the others. Charlotte's sweet tongue flickered across the freshly trimmed mound and then darted forwarded. Her juices were already flowing! One hand held her buttocks tightly so that Sugar could not squirm away. Her bud was caressed between Charlotte's lips. Her knees felt weak and she began to tremble. She did not faint but she could not support herself any longer and she sank to the floor. Both Charles and Charlotte caught her before she made contact with the ground.

No one else stopped dancing! No one else seemed to notice.

Charles led her back to their table and insisted that she drink a glass of water to refresh her once again. He noticed her eyes grow round and large. She was entranced. He followed her gaze over to the bar.

There sitting in all her glory was another blonde woman, her frame was large and her hair was bleached and teased high. Her breasts hung low and were huge and bare. Her legs were spread wide and hung over the shoulders of one of the players. Her jeans were around her ankles. His face was buried deep into her cunt curls. She humped against his face and howled as she reached orgasm. He licked his way up her torso. Then he wiped his mouth on a napkin and drained a new bottle of beer in one continuous gulp.

"Anything goes" seemed to be the code of this establishment, provided it was consensual. And, they had only begun to explore all there was to offer.

"You have 'fuck me' written all over your face." Charles had slipped his hand between the leather cushion and her flesh. His index finger manipulated the embedded plug. "And, before the evening is over, you are going to be begging me to fuck you in front of all these people.

With a quick nod of his head and a gentle tug on her arm, Sugar stood to follow her man. She glanced back at the stool where she had just been seated and saw the glistening trail of evidence that marked her escalating state of arousal. Any lingering doubts or insecurities disappeared as Sugar cupped her hand around his cock and squeezed tightly.

"I want this!" Her voice was deep and sexy.

Charles smiled. "When the time is right, you're going to have to beg me to plunge this inside you! I can't wait to see what hole you choose!" His smile of reassurance always kept her on solid ground no matter what height or depth they choose to explore. He pinched her taut nipples and she cried "Ahhh" with unrestrained pleasure.

She loved this man. She'd follow him anywhere. She would do anything to please him.

They were all there for the same reason, a shared commonality, and a mutual penchant for the erotic pleasures life had to offer. They were there to watch and be watched, touch and be touched, fuck and be fucked! There was something for everybody at this Playground.

"Shall we go check out the rest of the place?" He guided her with his hand at the small of her back down a dark mirrored hallway.

Standing in an open doorway was a man wearing a tuxedo tailored to reveal his well-defined pecks and tight buns. The room was a changing area, the last oasis where one shed clothing and any latent inhibitions.

Charles turned Sugar so she faced the lockers and unzipped her dress and leaned his body close into hers. "Take a deep breath, Babe. I'm going to slip this little toy out your luscious ass. I want it available for me!"

She laid her face against the cool metal for support. Her hand sought his hot erection as his fingers gently tugged at the base of the plug that so snugly filled her. The base of the toy stretched her as it began to exit the dark tunnel. Her ring contracted in a series of quick spasms. She sighed softly and closed eyes enjoying the orgasmic ride. Charles kissed the back of her neck and pocketed the toy.

"I want you to fuck me now!" Her was low and sultry. A rivulet of cum crept down her inner thigh.

"NOT YET! You have to beg!"

Wrapped in thick white towels they stood before the two heavy double doors. There was no hesitation! They were here for fun and that was the promise that awaited them on the other side of the door.

Debauchery! There was a sea of naked humanity! Each was engaged in a personal indulgence to satisfy their appetite for sexual pleasure.

Charles scanned the room quickly as he accessed the acts and the actors. Sugar was already swept away by the visions and sounds of passion play. They began to snake their way through the tangle of bodies. He was guiding them to an area where a series of private rooms were available.

They found themselves in a room full of mattresses that were already occupied by several groupings of those already in orgy mode.

Charles and Sugar found a spot against the wall. They had a front row seat to watch the mesh of wet genitals, hungry mouths, writhing bodies and sounds of ecstasy.

Sugar's fingers were toying with her clit as she watched. Charles sank to his knees and assaulted her with his tongue between her lips. Her cunt has the most delicious flavor! He absolutely loves eating this woman! His tongue bathed her lips and collected every precious drop of juice. His fingers squeezed her ass cheeks, and pressed her legs apart so he had access to tease and toy with her tight pucker. Sugar's fingers were working furiously.

Charles swirled his tongue around her rapidly swelling clit and pushed the fleshy hood back with his tongue tip. He lapped and stroked that usually hidden sensitive skin beneath the underside. He concentrated on her most responsive spot. She began to moan and thrust her hips into his mouth. She was ready to cum!

Charles fastened his lips over her clit and sucked hard, stretching her little girl cock, and flicking his tongue back and forth over the inflamed tissue. Sugar's ass clenched, her body shook as orgasm flooded her being.

As she was recovering, Charles moved up her body with a trail of wet kisses and covered her mouth with his own to share her own exquisite flavors. He cradled and cuddled her body next to his. Sugar stroked his cock until it was once again fully awakened.

A spot on the mattresses became open. Sugar led Charles to a reclining position and crawled between his legs and took his thick rigid cock between her lips. Her tits bounced, the nipples hard with the restraints of the gold chord that bound them, as she sucked with true desire.

Charles pulled her upwards and had her impale her cunt on his ready cock. She rode him for a few thrusts before taking charge once again. One of her favorite games is "clit fucking". She gently removed his cock from her pussy and laid it flat against his belly. She settled her puffy cunt on either side of it and began to hump her hips back and forth with each pass and rubbing her clit across the ridge of his cock head.

Her second orgasm was nearing. Charles reached up and took a tender nipple between his thumbs and forefingers as she continued to fuck herself to climax. She collapsed against his chest and lay there breathing deeply.

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php? id =83751

Yeah! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522422)

Go US government! Save us from those knock offs. Oh and F/P bitches.

And legality? (4, Interesting)

metlin (258108) | about 10 years ago | (#10522424)

RIAA estimates that $2.6 billion worth of revenues are lost and the like through file-sharing - so what are they going to do about it?

Sue a kid in China or India for it? Unlikely, I think.

Re:And legality? (5, Insightful)

CountBrass (590228) | about 10 years ago | (#10522449)

The War on Drugs. Yep that worked.

The War on Terror. Yep that's working: so far two countried fucked up and Iran's next.

So how can we deal with counterfeiting? I know: we'll declare war on it, that always works.

The US Government: the world's leading terror organisation for the last 50 years.

Re:And legality? (4, Funny)

metlin (258108) | about 10 years ago | (#10522479)

And oh, I was wrong about the figures.

He said the Motion Picture Association of America estimates that 2.6 billion songs, movies and software programs are illegally distributed over the Internet every month.

Hah! I'm sure that puts it at a much higher number than what I put up there.

Hmm, cost of 2.6 billion movie downloads? $260 billion

Cost of 1 nuke? $50 billion

Watching the US Nuke a country for RIAA? Priceless!

Re:And legality? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522539)

$100 a download?

DVDs are generally $15. That'd put the number at $39 Billion.

But, note further: songs, movies and software programs

Songs are the number one traded file, and each one of them is, what, 99 cents, according to the RIAA?

Re:And legality? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522571)

I can download and buy US Anime for $1.
This very very cheap. Yay! ^_^

http://www.animeclub.us

Re:And legality? (5, Funny)

mforbes (575538) | about 10 years ago | (#10522627)

And the inverse, of course:
  1. Get other countries' citizens & subjects to pirate MPAA/RIAA recordings over the internet.
  2. Nuke said countries.
  3. Dude! Where's my profit?!

Re:And legality? (1)

lottameez (816335) | about 10 years ago | (#10522553)

Right you are. We should just let drug dealers, criminals, and terrorists run rampant instead. Much better solution, eh?

Re:And legality? (5, Insightful)

VON-MAN (621853) | about 10 years ago | (#10522628)

Hmmm, you are a good example of what often is wrong with the USA. How about choosing a solution somewhere BETWEEN "waging war" or "let the bad guys run rampant"? You know, not black, not white, but gray.

Parent is Flamebait, mod down! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522589)

"The US Government: the world's leading terror organisation for the last 50 years."

Even if you might agree with that, it's unmitigated flamebait and should be moderated down as such. But then again, this is Slashdot, where it's chic to rail against The Man(tm).

Re:And legality? (3, Interesting)

Dillusionary (675442) | about 10 years ago | (#10522592)

You are exactly right. This has nothing to do with the benefit of others; this has everything to do with control and jobs for all the other dumbasses that can't get a job some where else. Why is it 67% of the prison population are drug related? Obviously this shit isn't working. Most likely someone up high got a hand out and no doing what the hand out required. Doesn't it seem more and more we are, we as in the US, are just as corrupt as IRAQ/N. Korea, except the fact that we have this illusion of freedom?

Re:And legality? (3, Insightful)

FlopEJoe (784551) | about 10 years ago | (#10522604)

Add to that list the War on Poverty.

Re:And legality? (4, Insightful)

mpe (36238) | about 10 years ago | (#10522611)

The War on Drugs. Yep that worked.

If it ended think of all those poor DEA agents having to get proper jobs.

The War on Terror. Yep that's working: so far two countried fucked up and Iran's next.

Unless Iran actually has WMDs, in which case Syria is most likely next in line.

So how can we deal with counterfeiting? I know: we'll declare war on it, that always works.

Except that kind of copyright infringement which a fuss is being made about isn't counterfeting in the first place.

The US Government: the world's leading terror organisation for the last 50 years.

Whilst the US Government may have made the "top 10" since 1954 it may not have been number one for each of those 50 years. The US Government faces stiff competition from Israel, Britain, Russia and France.

Re:And legality? (1)

Kombat (93720) | about 10 years ago | (#10522636)

The War on Drugs. Yep that worked.

Are you suggesting that the government stop trying to aprehend and prosecute hard drug users/dealers?

The War on Terror. Yep that's working: so far two countried fucked up and Iran's next.

Psst.... I don't know if you noticed or not, but just last weekend, Afghanistan held open, democratic elections for the first time. And the US, so far, hasn't made any moves toward Iran, other than diplomatic posturing. I'll give you Iraq though.

Thanks for playing.

Re:And legality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522459)

Sue? This is war, let's nuke them!

CNN headlines.. (3, Funny)

lordsilence (682367) | about 10 years ago | (#10522492)

"War on Intellectual Property Theft: Criminal raided, found hiding in the basement of an american family."

Re:CNN headlines.. (3, Funny)

apt142 (574425) | about 10 years ago | (#10522624)

The report says he's been living there for years feeding off of left overs at the dinner table and putting up with comments from fellow family member about how he should finally move out.

When asked why he did it, he simply responded. "I had to drown out the noise of my two sisters upstairs who were playing Britney Spears 24-7."

His lawyer in a press relief thinks that he'll be acquitted on charges of self preservation.

Re:And legality? (4, Insightful)

mpe (36238) | about 10 years ago | (#10522523)

RIAA estimates that $2.6 billion worth of revenues are lost and the like through file-sharing - so what are they going to do about it?

Most likely spend several times that amount of money a year in "enforcement" and making sure that the "enforcers" have a job for life.

Re:And legality? (1)

Orgazmus (761208) | about 10 years ago | (#10522629)

Is that an analogy?

Re:And legality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522562)

It wouldn't even be worth the money won, to sue a kid in India or China.

That's funny... (5, Insightful)

TheCaptain (17554) | about 10 years ago | (#10522425)

I don't see anyone but Al-Reuters calling it a 'declaration of war'. The headline alone is going to cause a flame war.

Re:That's funny... (4, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | about 10 years ago | (#10522475)

I don't see anyone but Al-Reuters calling it a 'declaration of war'. The headline alone is going to cause a flame war.

It's a fair point, but these headlines usually reflect the way it was spun by the government. You have to know how press teams work - they send out the press releases to Reuters etc, then they'll call the individual journalists and put their spin on it. Because they're then first to answer any questions the journalist might have they can influence the story.

Picture the conversation like this:

Journalist: so is this a real crackdown? WIll there be resources to back it up?

Apparatchik: Sure. Think of it like our war on IP theft.

Journalist: Thanks.

Re:That's funny... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522544)

You can pull hypothetical shit out of your ass all day long, but I *still* don't see anyone but Reuters and you calling it a "War on...".

War on abstract concepts (5, Insightful)

Gene Ray (819051) | about 10 years ago | (#10522429)

When will the US stop trying to "declare war" on abstract concepts like "terrorism," "drugs" and "intellectual property theft"? (Recent) history has shown that things like this just do not work.

Re:War on abstract concepts (5, Insightful)

mpe (36238) | about 10 years ago | (#10522498)

When will the US stop trying to "declare war"

Most likely when the rest of the planet says "enough is enough"...

on abstract concepts like "terrorism," "drugs" and "intellectual property theft"? (Recent) history has shown that things like this just do not work.

Actually it appears to work quite well. Assuming the aim is to keep various people busy and well funded. N.B. the funding goes to "both ends". So odds on the US Government is now funding "intellectual property theft". The whole idea of these "wars" is top ensure that they cannot be "won".

War on drugs - Bill Hicks (2, Informative)

PygmyShrew (618310) | about 10 years ago | (#10522516)

"The war on drugs to me is absolutely phoney, its so obviously phoney, ok? It's a war against our civil rights, that's all it is. They're using it to make us afraid to go out at night, afraid of each other, so that we lock ourselves in our homes and they get suspending our rights one by one."
Bill Hicks

Re:War on abstract concepts (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522530)

When will Slashdotters stop making shit up and confusing Slashdot-generated headlines with real quotes?

Re:War on abstract concepts (2)

roesti (531884) | about 10 years ago | (#10522533)

(Recent) history has shown that things like this just do not work.
That depends what the "wars" are trying to achieve.

If they're about reducing the threat of terrorism, the spread of illicit drugs and the black market, then you're right and they don't work at all.

On the other hand, if they're about manipulating the public opinion with official doublespeak and a distinct lack of factual logical basis, I reckon they've worked pretty well. Just not for you.

Oceana was always been at war ... (1)

mwa (26272) | about 10 years ago | (#10522594)

with it's citizens/customers.

Re:War on abstract concepts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522656)

That depends what the "wars" are trying to achieve.

Wars have always been about killing people. That's why they are BAD(tm). It looks like the war on drugs and the war on terrorism are achieving that.

Re:War on abstract concepts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522583)

The war on (some) drugs is just a means to channel taxpayer money into the prison system and into various governmental agencies like DEA - and of course into police and FBI.

The war on "IP-theft" will be similar.

Oh sure (5, Insightful)

Megaweapon (25185) | about 10 years ago | (#10522430)

He said the Motion Picture Association of America estimates that 2.6 billion songs, movies and software programs are illegally distributed over the Internet every month.

Because we all know how accurate their numbers are...

Re:Oh sure (2, Insightful)

malkavian (9512) | about 10 years ago | (#10522524)

This include the 2.4 billion 'broken' songs they're supposed to be putting out to 'dissuade' file sharers?

Re:Oh sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522537)

2.6 billion each month?
I'm just wondering who downloaded the other two songs! ;)

Darned Imitation Viagra! (4, Funny)

muntumbomoklik (806936) | about 10 years ago | (#10522431)

I can't tell you how many.... problems... I've had with my imitation Viagra. Luckily, my imitation woman is still holding up pretty good.

products like batteries (3, Informative)

antifoidulus (807088) | about 10 years ago | (#10522434)

Oh no! They aren't going to crack down on my favorite Duraking batteries. Or maybe Dinacell?!
(For those of you unfamiliar with cheap batteries, those are real, and they are all made to look like duracell batteries)

Re:products like batteries (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522572)

I've also seen "Enercell" batteries, another Duracell knock-off, and a calculator I once bought for exams (wasn't allowed my usual programmable one) came loaded with a SQNY battery.

I can't see these misleading people. In fact, a study carried out in supermarkets a while back showed they don't. They asked shoppers whether they had intended to buy the brand, or supermarket label (which often had similar packaging). There was no significant difference in mistakes between products with similar packaging and products with quite different packaging. If you really do believe a market stall has 20 Duracells for a quid, there's something wrong with you.

Also, some manufacturers produce their own cheap knock-offs. Panasonic, for example, produce three ranges of batteries (check star rating on the package). This has caught me out - I trusted Panasonic's name, and the shop (hardware) had a "Discount Battery Centre" sign, so I thought I had a bargain. Duracells would be 2 or 3 times as much, but probablary last 10 times longer in my GBA. As a result, I won't buy Panasonic batteries again, even the high-end ones.

Re:products like batteries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522642)

I'd be worried more about them cracking down on generic battery producers who provide cheaper alternatices to proprietary batteries for items such as digital cameras. These proprietary batteries are often sold for 5 to 10x what the generic ones are sold for. You can't tell me that manufacturing costs vary that much between one company and the next. Proprietary batteries = price gouging.

_andy

So (5, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | about 10 years ago | (#10522438)

Is there anything or anyone the US is not actually at war with at the moment?

Re:So (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522482)

Don't seem to be waging a war on war at the moment...

Re:So (1)

rahlquist (558509) | about 10 years ago | (#10522557)

Quite a few things!

Rampant government spending.
Illegal campaign contributions.
Corrupt goverment officials.
The totally hosed up patent system.

Re:So (5, Insightful)

mbbac (568880) | about 10 years ago | (#10522599)

No.

War on drugs? Check.

War on terrorism? Check.

War on third world countries that don't pose a threat? Check.

War on the UN? Check.

War on intellectual property infringement? Check.

War on its citizens? Check.

Re:So (1)

crawling_chaos (23007) | about 10 years ago | (#10522637)

And let us not forget:

War on Poverty: check

War on Cancer: check

War on AIDS: check

War on Drunk Driving: check

It seems just a tad disengenous to ridicule the concept by only bringing up the current idiot's stupid use of the term. The previous idiots have used the same language to ram their pet projects through

Re:So (0, Offtopic)

nuclear305 (674185) | about 10 years ago | (#10522610)

I don't think we're at war with Iowa yet...I suppose it's only a matter of time though.

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522615)

In Soviet Russia, Peace declares War on YOU!

Re:So (2, Funny)

apt142 (574425) | about 10 years ago | (#10522655)

Polland. Don't forget Polland.

Re:So (1)

sleazyrider (743665) | about 10 years ago | (#10522661)

Yup: War on Stupidity War on Unemployment Got an inkling of an idea here for us Amurkins... How about we declare war on rampant excessive gubmint?

Oh no! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522439)

DVDs: eh.
Designer Clothes: made by sweatshops anyway. Who cares?

Viagra: DON'T YOU FUCKING TOUCH MY VIAGRA!! DEATH PENALTY FOR COPIES!

Yup, good timing (5, Insightful)

Gentoo Fan (643403) | about 10 years ago | (#10522441)

Just in time for the elections. "Hey Hollywood, us government types are doing the job you want us to! How about some more 'donations'!?"

More IP theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522444)

Dirty theiving bastards [theregister.co.uk]

Become Microsofts enemy [suprnova.org] .
rYou dirty thieving bastards.

heah come de fuzz (5, Funny)

lottameez (816335) | about 10 years ago | (#10522448)

The Recording Industry Association of America welcomed the report. RIAA chairman Mitch Bainwol said the "commitment of focus, energy and resources outlined in this report is music to our ears."

FWEEET! Up against the wall! - did you pay for that song you're playing in your head?

War against $FOO (5, Insightful)

fforw (116415) | about 10 years ago | (#10522456)

Seeing how the "war against drugs" and the "war against terror" went I would be quite worried if I was an american.

Re:War against $FOO (1)

SlamMan (221834) | about 10 years ago | (#10522490)

Don't forget the War on Poverty.

I can't wait for the war on violence.

Re:War against $FOO (1)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | about 10 years ago | (#10522513)

What, you mean their utter ineffectiveness?

Wouldn't that be reason to NOT be worried?

Re:War against $FOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522569)

Not really.
Vast amounts of taxpayers' money is expended, civil rights are trampled on, huge numbers of otherwise law-abiding citizens are made criminals overnight, etc. The list goes on.
It is theatre: as you mentioned, the target of the 'war' will be mostly unaffected.
Every time I start to think maybe a cull of politicians is too extreme, one of them opens their mouth and lets this type of garbage out. Can we have a war on fake wars next please?
We are always at war, and always will be at war. Read Nineteen Eighty Four; it's obvious that a fair proportion of our respective politicians have done so.

Re:War against $FOO (1)

fforw (116415) | about 10 years ago | (#10522619)

The ineffectiveness of these so called "wars" is intrinsic to way they are laid out. What worries me more is the perpetuation of these wars because of material interests involved (prison industry, war profiteers, etc) and the rise of the "guilty if accused" injustice that goes with them.

Re:War against $FOO (1, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | about 10 years ago | (#10522564)

Seeing how the "war against drugs" and the "war against terror" went I would be quite worried if I was an american.

Yeah, especially since we are really the only ones tha suffer the casualties of these wars. Its nuts to consider that Apartheid was maintained with as many or fewer of South Africa's population in jail or prison.

For those of you that don't know almost 1% of the human population is incarcerated, its over 1% when you consider those who are on probation and parole. Land of the free and home of the brave. Most Americans are scared shitless, and freedom is eroding on a daily basis.

"It's so convenient to have a system where everyone is a criminal"

-- Adolf Hitler

Who's Rights? (5, Insightful)

marktaw.com (816752) | about 10 years ago | (#10522457)

Ashcroft said the FBI also would increase the number of agents assigned to investigations, and develop youth information programs to encourage respect for artists' rights.

Who's rights? The IP owner in this case is the record labels and movie companies, no the artists. When's the last time you looked at the copyright label on a CD or DVD?

Viagra (1)

rudolfel (700883) | about 10 years ago | (#10522481)

Viagra gives you intellectual property ;-)
Down there
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no politics but war (1)

plog (816386) | about 10 years ago | (#10522466)

war on poverty
war on drugs
war on the body
war on love

war on copycats
war on peace

war on an active mind
war on real democracy
war on choice

war on, general ashcroft

The rich will get even richer (4, Insightful)

master_p (608214) | about 10 years ago | (#10522467)

As if the people behind this move are not rich enough, they want to extract the last drop of milk from us. Don't they understand that they are rich because we are the customers?

Re:The rich will get even richer (2, Insightful)

goatan (673464) | about 10 years ago | (#10522534)

And they get even richer by sucking all the money out of you pockets in return for not going to jail.

Re:The rich will get even richer (2, Interesting)

salvorHardin (737162) | about 10 years ago | (#10522560)

They do understand this, but they also understand that in affluent societies, prices of luxury goods (such as CDs and DVDs) have a fair amount of elasticity, and thus, can be kept higher, netting them even *more* money. That is what they realise.
Government won't do too much to stop them, as higher revenues look better for the economy in general, and help keep the nation's growth looking healthy, which in turn prevents it from being eclipsed by other rising powers, and subsequently outgunned.
This is what happened to Great Britain, already in relative economic decline before the First World War. The government's method of preventing a similar fate befalling the US is to do pretty much anything it can to keep the economy ticking over, even at the expense of civil liberties and public opinion.
Not meaning to troll or bait flame here, but there's a lot of these type of news stories around, and I think this is my take on it.

Re:The rich will get even richer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522573)

Things the middle class and lower class do to level themselves with the upper class ALWAYS is turned into a crime. This has happened throughout history.

if anyone thinks that the rich are out for anything other than to piss on the poor and increase the valley between them and the unwashed masses making less than $100,000.00 a year, they are complete and utter fools.

Rich = evil . Always has been and always will be.

and we all know (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522484)


how good America is at winning wars
drugs,terror,vietnam,iraq are all splendid examples

Oxymoron (1)

Luineancaion (803672) | about 10 years ago | (#10522486)

America and intellectual in the same paragraph.

Okay, I realise the word "America" isn't actually used in the paragraph.

More of Corporate America's War on the World (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522488)

Get ready for a big split.

War on (1)

masouds (451077) | about 10 years ago | (#10522494)

Let this be another entry in the WAR ON series, after:
War on drugs (with no results, other than taxpayer's money being spent)
War on Terrorism (Sure, we are much safer now than we were in 90s, and Usama is still at large)

I wonder where will THIS take us.

Re:War on (1)

lspd (566786) | about 10 years ago | (#10522653)

Don't forget the "War on Poverty"

Well it's about time (1)

mackermacker (250587) | about 10 years ago | (#10522495)

It's about time we crack down on illegal viagra. Maybey they can win a drug war for a change. Seriously though, someone tell Ashcroft to stop buying those little blue pills from dhsknc_fhkjds@superbizdeals.com

I'll be more interested (1)

Fr05t (69968) | about 10 years ago | (#10522504)

when they declare war on Canada. Well more running and hiding than interested really.

It Will Never Work, And Here's Why (4, Insightful)

syberanarchy (683968) | about 10 years ago | (#10522506)

And like drugs and terror, you'll never stop it.

And unlike drugs and terror, the politicians will never get the support they need from the masses to continue their latest favor crusade to the big cartels.

The war on terror is working because the majority of McWalmart Americans are convinced that them dirty a-rabs are just tootin' to bring their hoity toity core-anne over here and shove it down our capitalist lovin', god-fearin' country's throat.

The war on drugs worked because well-to-do soccer moms were and are scared that their Harvard-bound princesses will end up giving blowjobs for coke, or that their sons will end up slanging yayo in the hood.

What's going to be the hook for Joe Sixpack to endorse the "War on Piracy?" The fact that CD prices may rise even more? That Regal and AMC might up the price from 8.50 to 9 bucks?

Unlike the terror and drug "wars," the middle class constituents that these piggish fucks in DC need to support their endeavors will not see the importance of "waging war" on something that they do not percieve as a threat. They will not see the justice in their sons and daughters becoming someone's bitch in a maximum security prison for what amounts to petty "theft" (and yes, I know it's not really theft. But we must keep it simple for the simpletons, both on /, and in the real world).

The 60 million people who file swap "illegally" in this country cannot all be put in prison. If they try, they'll be met with protest and the backlash from the public. Becausse file swapping is such a part of our culture now that all the laws in the world won't make any difference. They've lost, rightly or wrongly.

Re:It Will Never Work, And Here's Why (4, Interesting)

syberanarchy (683968) | about 10 years ago | (#10522556)

Something I didn't think of before, but really illustrates my point:

These "IP" laws have really become like the speed laws. Your driver instructor tells you that yes, you can get fined, etc. for going 5 over the speed limit, or for putting the hood of your car over the white stop bar at traffic lights. But in reality, how much does this happen? (and spare me your "I live in a hick town where the one cop in town has a vendetta against my family so yes it happens" tales.)

Likewise, who ever gets sued for downloading a single mp3? How long will it take them to sue everyone? How long will it take them to sue enough folks to make anyone care? Will anyone care? The way I see it, I have about 8000 songs on my PC. Assuming I were a dirty pirate, and assuming they were all illegally aquired, if the RIAA came after me and demanded a 5000 dolalr settlement, I'd actually view myself as getting a pretty cheap deal, as opposed as to if I had gone through iTunes, etc.

They can't slap casual swappers with the "max fines" they advertise (250k per work,) because it would cause outrage. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I don't envy the RIAA at this point!

Re:It Will Never Work, And Here's Why (3, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | about 10 years ago | (#10522641)

problem is that the RIAA and MPAA are too unbelieveably stupid to embrace and extend.

they could have quadrupled their profits by embracing the file trading scene. and offering right away, better than CD quality singles at less than $0.75 a track as well as gobs of "freebies" at the lower 128 kbps quality. seeding the P2P networks with their latest releases by making it look like a "unreleased bootleg" of Anton Mazumba's country styled gansta rap hit the streets, when it's simply a prerelease single from his new album "smackin' my bitches with my pickup truck".

The music people would have ate that crap up, it would have driven sales of CD's and new money churning artists higher than before.

instead they do the absolute stupidest and hairbrained thing, do everything in their power to piss off the costomers. Metallica is still hated by ex-metallica loving fans because of the backfire of that trick.

Until the MPAA and RIAA get rid of all the dead-wood that is it's leadership and replace them witrh real businesspeople that can see a trend and use it to their advantage, they will continue their current stupidity.

Good stuff (1)

zxv (815649) | about 10 years ago | (#10522509)

sweeping crackdown on bootleg DVDs, fake designer goods, illegal music downloads and
counterfeit drugs.
Finally i'll be able to trust my dealer!

Re:Good stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522635)

Pssst... wanna buy some glucose?

War on piracy! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522517)

That's how America operates, isn't it? We don't solve problems, we declare war on them. Problems with poverty? A war on hunger. Don't like narcotics? A war on drugs. Not much reason at all? A war in Iraq. And now, a war on piracy.

Solving problems... hard. Declaring war, good soundbite.

And people wonder why our homicide rate is so high. Every day you get to see the most horrific death scenes on network TV, but god forbid the children might see a breast, it's like they never breast fed? Huh?

Sorry, but it just seems as time goes on we live in a corporate-controlled violent culture, so seeing another "war" on something really doesn't surprise me at all.

Well, our previous wars have been so effective, so maybe this one will be. I'm sure the FBI will have an easy time busting down people's doors for downloading some music they were never going to buy anyway with their newly expanded PATRIOT act powers. After all, stopping those evil MP3 downloaders for your corporate buddies is probably more important than anything else they could be doing.

Re:War on piracy! (1)

nuclear305 (674185) | about 10 years ago | (#10522658)

"Declaring war, good soundbite."

I don't even think THAT much is true anymore...I think most Americans slap their foreheads and roll their eyes everytime they hear a "War On..." line.

That line is probably almost as old as the condom most /.'ers have been carrying in their wallets.

America - the land of the fee (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522520)

I just wish those people that make "fake" DVD's would use dvdshrink!

Let's hope (5, Funny)

w.p.richardson (218394) | about 10 years ago | (#10522521)

that it's as successful as the war on drugs.

Maybe in a few years, prisons will be even more overcrowed...

"What're ya' in for?"
"Downloading Britney, you?"
"N'Sync"

What a joke.

Re:Let's hope (5, Funny)

DikSeaCup (767041) | about 10 years ago | (#10522638)

Well, in all fairness, people should go to jail for downloading Britney Spears or N'Sync.

Unfortunately, having extremely bad taste isn't illegal.

Jan 22,. 2005: Asskroft becomes head of MPAA, RIAA (0, Flamebait)

Cryofan (194126) | about 10 years ago | (#10522525)

Asskroft is setting himself up for a fat megabucks job once this Nazi regime gets kicked out of office by Kerry. And what precipitated this little MPAA/RIAA ass kissing episode of a news article? The massive butt whipping Kerry put on Bush laat night in the debate. As soon as that debate ended, Asskroft wrote up this little press release, humming to himself, no doubt, about the megamillions he would rake in while heading up the MPAA and the RIAA, etc.

People, when are we going to start treating our renegade employees like Asskroft as the criminals they are?

Dear US Govt, (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 10 years ago | (#10522529)

I am writing this letter in the hope that you can take affermative action against my local drug dealer.

He has been selling counterfeit drugs for the last few months. The quality of his wares have been steadily dropping now, and I demand action.

When I go out onto the street, I can reasonably expect to purchase high quality original drugs.

Sincerely,
A. Concerned Addict.

You promised us a Drug Free America! (2, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | about 10 years ago | (#10522651)

And I want my free drugs now!

Hope he has a valid license for that music... (1)

Quill345 (769162) | about 10 years ago | (#10522535)

"The Recording Industry Association of America welcomed the report. RIAA chairman Mitch Bainwol said the 'commitment of focus, energy and resources outlined in this report is music to our ears.'"

Intellectual Property (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522547)

Well if all they are doing is protecting Intellectual Property that rules out most music and DVD since they have little to no intelligence in them.

The republic of Intelectual Property Theft (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522549)

In other news: "US Secretary Powell announced that the republic of Intelectual Propery Theft is producing weapons of mass distruction and is an immediate threat to the free (as in beer) world. Moreover, Powell belives that the republic is backed by 500 North Corean hackers. What is the best term of actions is still to be decided, Powell commented."

this is always exciting. (2, Insightful)

Exter-C (310390) | about 10 years ago | (#10522552)

There is always a catch 22 when dealing with this type of issue. By researching how to make the drug or tool utility music or whatever it maybe it costs money and time. But you make money at the end of the tunnel. The profit margins are always dropped when there are counerfiet/fake clones etc around. BUT if the initial product was cheaper more people could afford the goods and there would be less demand for clone/fake items and the cycle wouldnt be as dramatic.

blah blah blah Ashcroft blah blah blah evil (1)

BaldGhoti (265981) | about 10 years ago | (#10522561)

It's gotten to the point that I express outrage as soon as I see Ashcroft's name. I don't even have to see what he did anymore.

Seriously--are there any conservatives out there on /. who can justify this guy? I'm admittedly pretty liberal, but when I complain about Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft, I always hear people defend Bush and Cheney. No one ever says they agree with Ashcroft.

Re:blah blah blah Ashcroft blah blah blah evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10522647)

The words conservative and justify never appear in the same sentence. COnservatives do not justify. They act. ANd then when they proven wrong, they keep doing the same over and over again so that nobody can call them 'flip-floppers'.

Can't...stop...laughing... (1)

Machine9 (627913) | about 10 years ago | (#10522582)

Maybe it's time you american slashdotters did some declaring of your own.

Like maybe the War against your incredibly retarded governmental system (and the people hiding in it leeching your hard-earned dollars)

I mean seriously... this is just nuts.

One Way to Stop the Intrusions (1)

grunt107 (739510) | about 10 years ago | (#10522593)

Since this is being spearheaded by Ashcroft, just put a naked Lady Justice in front of him. He'll be so outraged he'll forget about this crusade.

War on... (1)

madsatod (535808) | about 10 years ago | (#10522602)

I think we should have a war on warfare, so we can stop all these "wars on [everything]" once and for all.

Those who do not learn from history... (4, Insightful)

ControlFreal (661231) | about 10 years ago | (#10522603)

Sigh... When the US tried to stop the use of alcohol early in the 20th century, did that actually stop the use of alcohol? No! And in addition, there was a lot of crime, because people tend to go to great lengths for what they want.

When the US declared the War On Drugs, did that stop the use of drugs? No! And in addition, there was a lot of crime, because people tend to go to great lengths for what they want.

When the US declares a War on Copyright Infringement (not: theft!), will that stop the infrigement of copyright? No! And there will be a lot of crime, because people tend to go to great lengths for what they want.

Waging a war on something does not solve the issue. Never by itself. An issue can only be solved by looking for the motives that people have for doing things.

Ask yourself: Why do people use alcohol, why do people use drugs, why do people download material from the net? Only when you know people's motives, you can start to change things, because if you don't understand the motives, and just wage a war, you deny people something that they want...

... and there will be a lot of crime because people tend to go to great lengths for something they want.

baby food and morality (1)

mhamel (314503) | about 10 years ago | (#10522607)

When they are debating about copyright for music or others, I say we can talk. But when they are talking about patents on medications and baby food, everything sudently become so scandalous. Like when Brazil had to fight on ineternational forums to be capable of helping it's AIDS dying population. What are they talking about?


Baby food now?

A free market needs information (1)

philbert26 (705644) | about 10 years ago | (#10522613)

It's often said on Slashdot that the free market will always produce the best deal for people if people are free to choose what to buy. The market needs clear information for buyers to make good decisions, and knockoffs pollute the information in the market. Isn't preventing fraud one of the few government functions that everyone agrees on?

Take batteries, for instance. It's fine to sell a cheap competitor to Duracell, but shouldn't it be clear what you're getting? If Cheapo brand offers a better deal for consumers, then they will gain a good reputation and from there gain market share, so it's in everyone's interests (including Cheapo Inc) for them to be clearly recognizable as Cheapo batteries. If they are crap, then why should they be allowed to poison Duracell's reputation?

IP (2, Interesting)

Oakey (311319) | about 10 years ago | (#10522620)

On the subject of IP, I found this rather amusing;

Disney may be sued [cnn.com]

I submitted it to Slashdot yesterday but it was rejected, which is unfortunate. I hope it's only because someone else submitted first.

It's ironic Disney should face being sued over the copyrights to Peter Pan. They claim that it's out of copyright in the US but Great Ormond Street hospital say it would have expired in 2007 but now expires in 2023 thanks to the Extended Copyright Act.... something Disney keeps pushing for.

Bigger fish to fry (1)

Skalizar (676291) | about 10 years ago | (#10522639)

Why don't they concentrate on stopping the flow of US dollars to 3rd world IT sweatshops first? Then maybe there wouldn't be so many unemployed code jockeys with nothing better to do than find new and improved ways to pirate software and music. And with some cash in their pockets, they might actually buy some of that stuff.

Guantanamo big enough? (2, Funny)

NoSuchGuy (308510) | about 10 years ago | (#10522659)

A downloader is not a soldier.
My question:

- Is Guantanamo big enough?
- Is the prision personal allowed to use torture in the interrogation?
- Will there be contracts for Halliburton?
- Will american soldiers die in this war?

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