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Jon Stewart on CNN's Crossfire

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the emperor-has-no-clothes dept.

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BoldAC writes "Instead of plugging his new book, Jon Stewart tonight on CNN's Crossfire used his time to slam the media's coverage of the election. Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play? Torrent of the event is available." And another set of .torrent links.

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Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544045)

You do realize that video is protected by copyright? Did they allow you to distribute it?

Re:Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (2, Informative)

strider44 (650833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544052)

I saw it on a public site (IFilm link off Fark). I can only assume that it's allowed to be distributed.

Re:Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (1, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544097)

This does not mean the rights to distribute or redistribute exist. It onlymeans that eitehr iFilm or Fark have no right to distribute the piece or they got the rights from CNN but these rights do not transfer to you, the viewer. You can redistribute the link to iFilm where the video is hosted but nothing else.

Re:Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544191)

Many of us disagree with copyright, which would be more accurately called "censorprivilege". So why would we give a fuck? Illegal does not mean wrong.

Remember /. is far from homogenous - for every MS astroturfer, there's at least one "without copyright the GPL would be unenforceable. It would also be unnecessary" hardcore hacker.

Re:Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544199)

But Slashdot is now a corporate site. I'm sure the OSwhatevertheyarenow lawyers care quite a bit.

Re:Next on /.: ./ sued by AOL/Time Warner/CNN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544159)

I really couldn't care, personally. The content within (commercials and extra CNN crap that should have been deleted aside) transcends petty complaining about distribution 'rights' and copyright. We're not talking about some blockbuster movie being pirated. This is an important political piece that is reasonably important for the public to see.

And I'm sure your response will be "well, we can't have double standards blah blah blah". Just shut up. If you're that worried about precious IP rights being violated, chances are you're locked on a blind course and no amount of reason will penetrate.

I'm sure some day you'll make a fine criminal defense lawyer.

America, a country at war with itself (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544050)


the revolution will not be televised
fight the powers that be

Re:America, a country at war with itself (5, Insightful)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544200)

It's a sad state of affairs when in a supposedly strong democracy like american (that only has two political parties with only milionnaires running and a pathetic participation rate on election day) you get better news from a comedy show than from the mainstream media.

Attention Slashdot Laser: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544051)

Please Slashdot the torrent link so I can download it faster. Saying that hurts my brain. :(

Re:Attention Slashdot Laser: (1)

ACNSlave (750608) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544073)

Oddly enough, that works. Peer to peer goodness all around... Bruce

Re:Attention Slashdot Laser: (4, Interesting)

hkmwbz (531650) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544155)

Actually, you could potentially end up slashdotting the tracker. It has to handle all the requests, after all. It's just like any web server, I think.

Is it? (4, Insightful)

SpooForBrains (771537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544053)

Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play?

Yes.

ifilm (5, Informative)

avageek (537035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544055)

video of it is also posted on ifilm [ifilm.com]

SAw this yesterday on Fark/iFilm (4, Interesting)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544059)


This is really hillarious, especially the fact that Stewart barely does anything funny at all, he's dead serious the whole time. Both the guys on Crossfire are trying to get him riled up and shut him down and they do an absolutely miserable job, and he ends up even calling the guy in the bowtie a dick!

Jon Stewart is my hero.

It was beautiful (5, Insightful)

bitingduck (810730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544117)

The thing that really made it great was that he (the comedian/satirist) showed that he can switch modes and they (blowhard pundits) were incapable of being anything but blowhard pundits. They seemed to be expecting a combination of fluff and easy target, and he was a truly concerned citizen. The bald guy seemed to realized that it was better to keep his mouth shut and let bowtie hang himself.

Have to remember that I actually have a TV and cable long enough to actually watch the Daily show...

Re:SAw this yesterday on Fark/iFilm (1)

Collision891 (814593) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544218)

and he ends up even calling the guy in the bowtie a dick!

Tucker Carlson is a dick

Political torrents (4, Interesting)

paulproteus (112149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544066)

After I saw the first debate, I chatted with friends for a while about getting a video of it. Granted, I should have just taped it myself, but I don't have a MythTV setup ready at our new house yet. I considered streamdumping the Washington Post's stream of the event, and that's what I did in the end. But it took ages - streamdumping typically operates at "1x", so this time it took an hour and a half. And anyone else who wanted it would have to do the same slow thing.

My question is, Where can one find political torrents? The debates and this Jon Stewart-on-Crossfire are good examples. Until I saw this on Slashdot, I had no idea where to get this, either. Is there a central repository for these kinds of things, or some other blog I should be reading for links?

Re:Political torrents (4, Informative)

ivan37 (149147) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544091)

Suprnova [suprnova.org] had torrents of all of the debates a day or two after (although those are the only political torrents I've seen).

Re:Political torrents (5, Informative)

stevenrace (822656) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544130)

Apple's iTunes Music Store offers free downloads of the presidential debates usually the day after.

Remember when Kerry was on TDS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544070)

And Stewart drooled all over him and didn't bother to ask any significant questions? Yeah, good job there.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (1, Insightful)

Nurseman (161297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544122)

And Stewart drooled all over him and didn't bother to ask any significant questions? Yeah, good job there.

Here's where I sorta agree. Jon Stewart wants to be taken seriously, but when asked why he dosen't ask tough questions, he hides behind the "we're a comedy show" statement. And when he was prodded by the conservative guy, he resorted to personal attacks. He has a great show, and I watch him, but I also understand he is a shill for the Democratic Party, and I am okay with that.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (1)

mp3LM (785954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544156)

Every news show host is either liberal or conservative. On crossfire, they happen to have one of each. It's the facts of life, everyone picks a side. It's only difference from regular news shows is it makes jokes on it's news.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544173)

So what would you call Chris Matthews? His "bias" really shifts quite a bit based on the issue.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (5, Interesting)

Ariane 6 (248505) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544172)

Jon Stewart wants to be taken seriously

I disagree. I think he wants people to take democracy seriously (and off-air he uses what the influence he's got to that end), but I don't think his news show has any goal other than making people laugh.

The popularity of the show as a source of genuine news is merely an indicator of how far gone the "mainstream" media is.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544184)

People have ALWAYS gotten some of their news from satire. Before the Daily Show, it was SNL. Before SNL it was movies. Before that, it was editorial cartoons.

Jon Stewart wants to be taken seriously? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544190)

Do you actually watch The Daily Show? He does more for democracy by being taken funnily than all the real news outlets combined.

If you watched the video (5, Insightful)

metalhed77 (250273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544194)

If you watched the video, he addresses this very point. Essentially, the daily show's first job is to entertain. Even as a liberal, I'd say that the daily show often times intentionally oversimplifies issues for comedic effect, sometimes at the cost of insight. However, it's a goddamn comedy show, and even WITH all these problems it still manages to be more insightful and honest than other shows.

And as far as Stewart lobbing Kerry softballs, Stewart often times cuts guests slack. O'Reilly was recently on and both O'Reilly and Stewart had a great time with absolutely no vitriolic discourse. He sometimes does that with his guests, and it's his prerogative. It's a goddamn comedy show.

Additionally, you can call Stewart a hypocrite all you want, but even if it were true, it doesn't mean that he's not right about this.

show format (4, Insightful)

ir0b0t (727703) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544214)

Jon Stewart is constrained by the commercial format of his show in ways similar that Carlson et al. are constrained by the commercial formats of their shows. For e.g., Jon Stewart has to be funny.

The heart of the difference is that Carlson et al. are practitioners of the only profession which is explicitly protected in a constitutional amendment. Stewart is voicing a widely held criticism of commercial journalism: that commercial journalism is not adequately doing its job under the constitution.

It matters less whether a viewer shares this criticism than the question of whether journalists are obligated to make viewers aware of it.

For the same reason, I think it misses the point to denigrate a Comedy Channel program for its lack of balanced news coverage.

Re:Remember when Kerry was on TDS (4, Insightful)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544212)

Stewart is not a journalist, he's a comedian.

His show is not about blasting comedians, it's about laughing at the really poor job that the media does.

He's been nice in interviews with republicans too, and he even was angry at his audience when they didn't pay proper respect to the republican guest.

More sources (3, Informative)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544071)

The video can also be found here in a few different formats... if the server isn't already dead...

http://www.contemporaryinsanity.org/video/

Stewart kicks ass (-1, Troll)

Dancin_Santa (265275) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544072)

I think I would place him as a Jewish person. He's got the same type of self-deprecating humor which is not so much directed at himself but at those who would choose to laugh at the jokes. He also seems to have a very short temper hidden underneath a thin layer of humor. Likewise, his tendency to lean to the left is a telling trait. He's a lot like Woody Allen, unfunny yet oddball enough to garner a hoity-toity following that thinks they have a higher sense of humor because they pretend to enjoy his work.

I like how he tries to tell it as it is, but sometimes I think his inability to reach for the deeper humor of a situation, instead of going for the cheap and easy toilet humor, really hampers the Daily Show. Still, the Daily Show is probably the best news program on television, which says a lot about how bad the other news programs (with the possible exception of 20/20) are these days.

Re:Stewart kicks ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544099)

As opposed to the hoity-toity following that thinks they have a higher sense of humor because they don't enjoy his work...

Thanks for the lecture, Santa.

Re:Stewart kicks ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544108)

I seem to be on some moderator's bad side today. All these troll mods.

Then again, I should know better than to post an opinion in YRO.

DS.

Re:Stewart kicks ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544196)

Don't worry, I M2 all downmods as "Unfair" so the people who bring out the good can keep moderating, and the people who mod 0 to -1 Troll suffer.

Re:Stewart kicks ass (1)

ACNSlave (750608) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544113)

I have issues with being called hoity-toity for liking Stewart. I consider myself more of a culturally snobbish liberal jackass :-) But thanks for asking...

Stewart Deserves a Trophy. (5, Funny)

Fortyseven (240736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544075)

This man is my hero. I heard a clip of it from the Randy Rhodes show on the way home last night, and this morning grabbed the torrent of the show (god, cut the commercials out of the video, man...).

He really did something respectable and the hosts, rather than actually discuss the opinion being given, felt they needed to make fun of him and dodge the issue since they couldn't provide a realistic response. It was like "ERR ERR DOES NOT COMPUTE RESPOND WITH JIBBERISH" and sparks came out of their neck. Just like XP.

Re:Stewart Deserves a Trophy. (-1, Redundant)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544198)

The Randy Rhodes show? Ozzy Osbornes dead guitarist has his own talk show?! Wow, they will give ANYONE a talk show!

Leans Left? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544077)

Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.'
If he leaned any more left, he'd fall over.

Also, before complaining about political shows he should start by reexamining his own. Even though it can be funny (or maybe because it is funny), I that his show does more dammage then a lot of the serious shows.

His show is on the comedy channel you douchebag (0, Flamebait)

Polarism (736984) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544109)

lol What now, get our politics from the Comedy Channel? ahahhahhaha

Re:His show is on the comedy channel you douchebag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544125)

OMG You probably get your politics from the Sesame Street channel!! ROFL!!!1

It don't mean a damned thing.

Re:His show is on the comedy channel you douchebag (1)

mp3LM (785954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544142)

If you watch the show, you'll notice that he's actually a very intelligent man. While cracking jokes, he tries to make light on the stupidity of our nation while informing everyone about it.

Jesus, Michael. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544079)

Fucking lay off, take a pill, calm down, and get YOUR OWN FUCKING POLITICAL BLOG MAN!

i realize, as do you, that very few people would be interested in reading what your little unbalanced, paranoid mind might have to say, so keep your bias and drivel off the front page. News for Nerds. We'll catch what other info we need from the sites designed to carry said news.

This was... (5, Informative)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544080)

One of the coolest things I've seen on TV since O'Reilly vs. Franken on C-Span BookTV.

Journalism standards have gone down the toilet. Kudos to Stewart for giving these folks a metaphorical kick to the nuts on live television -- wasn't a fan before, starting to become one now.

He's just so right; when a satirical news program on a minor cable channel meets or exceeds the journalistic bar in this country, to the point of winning awards and in many cases being the only news people will watch, you get an idea of just why things are so screwed and why so many people continue to buy into the two-party system. The media isn't conservative, and it certainly isn't liberal... it's simply profitable.

Re:This was... (1, Interesting)

turbotalon (592486) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544145)

I disagree with the statement "the media ... certainly isn't liberal." What makes you say the media doesn't have a bias? What proof do you have? Sure, Fox tends to lean to the right, but how do you explain the lackadaisial coverage of CBS's BLATENT Kerry supporting with their little memo scandal?

Re:This was... (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544164)

I'd say that was more the press covering each others' asses than a liberal bent (not making any judgement on whether there is one or not). CNN, ABC, MSNBC, etc. don't wanna get hit by CBS when they have a similar scandal.

Re:This was... (1)

turbotalon (592486) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544202)

You are right, it WAS a lot of butt covering, but the simple fact of the matter is that the evidence that those memos were FAKE was right in front of them the WHOLE TIME. They simply did not follow the normal process of investigation that they would have for any other piece of news. So tell me, why were they in such a hurry to put the story of the memos out? Why were they so EAGER to pulbish something that just HAPPENED to support Kerry's next speach? Don't mod me down as a flamebait again, just because you don't see it my way. I am just bringing up some legit points here.

Hurt to watch (5, Funny)

AntsInMyPants (819105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544085)

It was like watching a man stomp on the heads of puppies with steel toed boots.

Except the puppies were Carlson and Begala and the boots were Truth, so it was cool.

Re:Hurt to watch (-1, Troll)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544230)

Not really. What he did was rude. The show was not as bad as he said, and his is MUCH worse. He cant blow it off as "a comedy", too many kids I know are actually paying attention to his show like its serious, and getting a very misinformed oppinion. (Although I think kerry is better than Bush, I at least try and stay informed about Bush, I don't have my opinions feed to me by some silly TV show)

It's like protesters, protesting about Bush all day, but when they're asked why don't they run for president, they just say something dumb like "That's not my job, he's the one who's president!" or some dumb junk like that.

The real reason I think John wasn't funny was because he didn't have a team of writers giving him a script to read, he had to do the show live and without a script. There are lots of comedians like that, not funny without their script.

That guy sis damn funny. (5, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544089)

I love Jon Stewart's wit. He is one funny dude. I am not an American and I still watch his show because of the cleverness of it. Oddly, he (and the others on the show) seems to be having a real effect on how the US elections are progressing. His unending assaults on the media coverage and their lack of gumption has created a huge following for his show. In the all-important 'young voter' demographic no less. While it is true that he leans left he lampoons what needs lampooning. He is not afraid. And he's friggin' funny.

More Jon Stewart for us all.

I heard he was on the Factor, alas I could not see it because I do not have the odious Fox Network in my country. Is there a torrent for that interview?

Re:That guy sis damn funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544123)

Assuming nobody has one, there is a transcript [foxnews.com] available.

Best quotes (5, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544098)

STEWART: It's not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. And I will tell you why I know it.

CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?

STEWART: Absolutely.

CARLSON: You've got to be kidding me. He comes on and you...

STEWART: You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.

***

CARLSON: Jon, you're bumming us out. Tell us, what do you think about the Bill O'Reilly vibrator story?

STEWART: I'm sorry. I don't.

Re:Best quotes (5, Informative)

AntsInMyPants (819105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544204)

What makes this even better is the tone, which you obviously can't get from the transcript.

Jon's was one of quiet exasperation coupled with legitimate anger, and just a dash of contempt.

Carlsons' tone was one of self-righteousness, followed quickly by stammering, defensiveness, and forced-incredulity.

Begala (who I otherwise despise) was at least wise enough to keep quiet through most of it. He seemed to understand that they were screwed.

Erm, summary copied directly from kuro5hin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544103)

K5 Story [kuro5hin.org]

Mr. Stewart (0, Troll)

AhabTheArab (798575) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544104)

J0n 5t3w4r7 pwns j00 nubs!!!!111 OMGWTFBBQ!!

Re:Mr. Stewart (1)

AhabTheArab (798575) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544146)

Troll? But it's true, they were pwned.

The simple fact is... (4, Insightful)

DragonMagic (170846) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544105)

Yes, it's time to stop. The media plays for the largest audience, so alienating large numbers of people is bad. They need these numbers to attract advertisers and higher rates to have ads during these shows.

Two solutions still linger: Talk radio and satellite radio. Talk radio has low values for advertisers already, and satellite radio is already paid for by subscriptions. Imagine Jon Stewart without the bounds of Viacom or the need to placate to any audience the corporation wanted.

Jon, as good as he is, also wants to be big; he wants Dave Letterman's spot when he retires. GE controlling Conan at 11:35pm versus Viacom controlling Jon at 11:35pm, would it be tragic or a victory for political humor?

I just hope Jon can get his own talk show on radio, whether AM/FM or satellite, that can reach the masses without the fetters of a large corporation.

Re:The simple fact is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544152)

and satellite radio is already paid for by subscriptions
And cable was supposed to be this way too, but nooooo

Re:The simple fact is... (1)

turbotalon (592486) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544174)

The beauty of the matter is this:

If the American people WANT to hear Jon Stewart, the polls will show that the networks can make money with his AM/FM talk show. Ergo, the networks will see that as a viable option. Don't think that he DESERVES a spot on talk radio just because you think he is funny or raises some good points. If enough people like him (ie, he raises some good points of debate, etc) then he will eventually get a spot on the media of his choice. Don't get caught in the trap of thinking that if he doesn't get a spot on some large media that it was because there is some big conspiracy. It wasn't. It was simply because not enough people wanted to hear him. Trust me, it doen't take more that a few million listeners to make a show profitable. Thats only a few percent of the population.

Re:The simple fact is... (1, Interesting)

MarksManB (521932) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544179)

NO, no, no. It's been proven that the show format is stronger than the host. Look at what happened to Craig Kilborn. TDS was still strong with a new host and Craig's new show was a flop. The Man Show floated for a season while Jimmy Kimmel's show bombed. Also Dennis Miller. I can't stand to watch his MSNBC or CNBC crap now. If Jon leaves TDS and succeds, it'll be a miracle.

nice juicy MP4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544112)

Nice looking MP4 of it at Media Matters for America [mediamatters.org]

Jon Stewart talks about biased media coverage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544116)

Something about a pot and a kettle comes to mind. I used to watch The Daily Show, but the show has become so one-sided it sickens me. It should sicken other views as well, regardless of which side you support. A political agenda has no place outside of an advertisement on television.

IT'S THE COMEDY CHANNEL (1)

Polarism (736984) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544127)

holy fuck, lol

Re:Jon Stewart talks about biased media coverage? (2, Insightful)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544201)

TDS is a satire a show, it satirizes current events.

Who they hell else are they supposed to make fun of? The right(if you define right as republican), controls both houses of congress, the presidency, and as we saw in 2000, the SCOTUS(which, if you want to disagree here[and I'm sure someone will], has a large influence on current events how often, precisely?). Pretty much the whole shebang. The left(if you define left as democrats) has so little influence on the Hill right now, they barely splash the news waters with actual policy. When was the last time you heard of a Democratic initiative?

Apart from that, picking on the left(if you define left as democrats), with things standing as they are right now, as much as the right for what little influence they have would be like kicking a cripple, or making fun of David, it's just not as funny.

Yea, Stewart leans left a bit, so what. Most comics and entertainers do. Kinda part and parcel with that whole "art" thing. If you only want to drink the "right-wing" entertainment icon kool-aid you're going to be a pretty uncultured boring prick way outside of pop-culture.

I'd accuse you of trolling, but wtf cares?

All that being said, The Daily Show will pretty much mock anyone deserving of it, if it's actually going to turn out funny.

Re:Jon Stewart talks about biased media coverage? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544213)

No, he's right. TDS used to be quite a bit more "balanced." Maybe you're right, and they simply don't have as much material to work with, but the fact remains that if you watch the show 2 years ago, it really did have a different feel to it. Perhaps that'll change after the election, perhaps it won't.

Jon Stewart to a foreigner / Explaining Crossfire (5, Insightful)

P-Frank (788137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544120)

I've followed the Daily Show for about 3 years now. As a New Zealander, I spotted it on CNN International at 5:30am on a Monday. It was a cobbled together clip show of that week on the Daily Show, often it would get pre-empted by George Bush choking on something and since the US feed would take over, it would never come back.

I just downloaded this clip off a forum and was incredibly surprised to be honest. Only the week prior, Jon played reasonably nice with Bill O'Reilly on the O'Reilly Factor, as well as with O'Reilly on the Daily Show. I understand a fundamental difference in O'Reilly and in Crossfire though. With Crossfire, these two theatrical characters are meant to be embody the two sides to the social and political spectrum in America. Furthermore, rather than asking any important questions, both of them just pander to their guests based upon their political bias. They accept bullshit when it is slung at them and lap it up.

Although the point on Crossfire regarding Jon throwing softballs to John Kerry during their interview, Jon's assumption was that the real news media should be held to a higher standard than a comedy show that used to do parody news segments from the Weekly World News (During Kilborn's Daily Show era).

The hard questions aren't asked and if they are, you either get complete bullshit or you get offense. Take for example Stewart's lampooning of Zel Miller (sp?), the democratic senator that delivered the keynote address at the RNC. When interviewed by Russert, Miller took such offense to moving away from the republican talking points, or even questioning his use of metaphor and asking what it referred to, that he challenged Russert to a duel and stormed off the set.

Crossfire, to Jon, epitomised the pandering to the two-party system and their bag of dirty tricks. They are part of the system as opposed to part of the supposedly subjective media. Crossfire tried to hold Jon to a higher standard than the news media. Perhaps now that Stewart is popular, he does indeed have a duty to inform (That he has played down in many interviews)? People go to him for news, that he markets as a side-effect to the comedy.

Crossfire epitomises the passive media that has plagued the United States. Not just passive, but passively arrogant. Nasty little men who ask ridiculous questions and either cheer or smirk at the bollocks that is delivered to them. Jon does a better job and it isn't even his job, his job primarily is to make us laugh. It is a scary statement on the media in general, but perhaps with the legitimacy that he is being bestowed with, maybe, just maybe things can improve.

Re:Jon Stewart to a foreigner / Explaining Crossfi (4, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544177)

Perhaps now that Stewart is popular, he does indeed have a duty to inform (That he has played down in many interviews)? People go to him for news, that he markets as a side-effect to the comedy.

People who watch The Daily Show did better on a quiz about their political knowledge than people who watch any of the cable news shows - FOX, CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Doesn't that mean he's doing his duty to inform people?

Re:Jon Stewart to a foreigner / Explaining Crossfi (1)

zx75 (304335) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544206)

"Mr. Burns, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"

Watch out! Someone is bringing out the tough questions!

Re:Jon Stewart to a foreigner / Explaining Crossfi (1)

lav-chan (815252) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544220)

Wow. I wish there were Americans who were so well-informed about New Zealand's politics.

Or even Canada's, Jesus Christ. :/

bt /. (1)

mp3LM (785954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544121)

This is the fastest my torrent d/l speed has gone up.

Thank you /.!

Yes, yes! PUH-LEEZE?! (-1, Flamebait)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544126)

he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play?

Hmm yes, he's right: why don't we all shake hands? why don't we all love each other and make peace? why doesn't everybody make an effort to reach our and help his neighbour, the poor persons down the street? Why can't we all be nice to one another?

Jesus, I don't know who this guy his, but I reckon the only vote he'd ever win is chief boy scout or something. Look around you buddy, and you'll notice it's a doggy dog world out there, and dems as well as reps will stoop as low as necessary to win whatever they have their eyes set upon. Welcome to the real world...

"Doggy dog"? (4, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544167)


you'll notice it's a doggy dog world out there

I believe the phrase you wanted is "dog-eat-dog" not "doggy dog". The idea is that one dog will try to eat another dog when competition becomes fierce. Compare this with "doggy dog", which sounds like another name for a cute little puppy pup.

Re:"Doggy dog"? (1)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544197)

Or yet another miguided "hip hop" artist.

Didn't the Simpsons have a hip "doggy dog" or something?

Re:"Doggy dog"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544219)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, too many big words there for Rosco. Gotta type in bigger letters with a wide kerning to get that s l o w a n d d e l i b e r a t e speed that helps keep the words in his head.

Re:Yes, yes! PUH-LEEZE?! (2, Insightful)

mp3LM (785954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544178)

Obviously you're a republican.

Re:Yes, yes! PUH-LEEZE?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544180)

Yes, and I welcome you to (Score:-1, Schmuck).

He... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544136)

...was a lousy guest
...wouldn't let the hosts get a word in edgewise
...was unfunny, as expected
...was responsible for the most pointless interview evar

Funny.. (5, Interesting)

sinner0423 (687266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544140)

A credit to Jon Stewart.. he's a funny guy. But it really does say something about the current state of our media, when a satirical news show host is considered a political correspondant.

Although.. knowing the way my country works, I wouldn't be suprised if he becomes a governer, or the president, in less than 8 years. His running mate? Lewis Black.

They'd get my vote. We may as well have our kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames.

Re:Funny.. (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544153)

Although.. knowing the way my country works

Your country works? Looks broken to me...

Re:Funny.. (3, Funny)

Bigbiff (6864) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544217)

Oh man, Lewis Black in the Vice Presidential debate. Hilarious!

Re:Funny.. (4, Insightful)

Zebbers (134389) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544221)

Have you ever watched the show? Presenting the factual news in a funny way does not detract from the actual facts. He doesn't make up shit, just present news then make fun of how gay it really all is. Compare this to a more psychotically biased news channel like our favorite fox news and you see why he may be the only TRUE political correspondent.

Masterful (5, Interesting)

underwhelm (53409) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544144)

Tucker Carlson's ego was the true guest of that episode of Crossfire, and it got shot down.

He's jealous that Stewart got to interview Kerry on his fake news show, and utterly devestated that Stewart would state that Carlson's not a true journalist. All in front of a live, studio audience.

SAST (1, Informative)

Aggrazel (13616) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544148)

Comedy Central used to have a show called Short Attention Span Theater, in that spirit, here's a summary of the show:

JS: You guys suck, you aren't real journalists, you're nothing but media whores out for attention.
Crossfire guys: Oh yeah!? Well when you had John Kerry on your show, all you asked him were these silly questions!
JS: My show is on after puppets making crank phone calls, yours is on CNN.
Crossfire guys: *insert more BS here*
JS: *insert more pnwage here*

Saw it from the torrent... (2, Insightful)

Ariane 6 (248505) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544150)

This was awesome - they clearly were expecting a half-hour of comedy, and instead got someone who, for the first time, called them out on the damaging and irresponsible way in which the networks conduct themselves these days.

Then, when they tried to turn it around on him, all he had to do was remind them that his "journalism" is FAKE and that if people are actually using it as a source of genuine insight, what does that say about the state of journalism in this country?

Jon Stewart is a balls-out American Hero.

Hilarious (it's funny cos it's true) (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544157)

My favorite moment was when Stewart was making the point that although Crossfire tried to keep a serious profile, it's all just partison hackery theater:

STEWART: Now, this is theater. It's obvious. How old are you?

CARLSON: Thirty-five.

STEWART: And you wear a bow tie.

Jon Stewart is gold.

No (-1, Troll)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544161)

Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play?

And what do you think shouting "Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America" is if not a political game? That's the whole point of a political debate, isn't it? So no, the answer is clearly "no, it is not." And please stop saying "both sides" when there are much more of them than two.

both adj.
One and the other; relating to or being two in conjunction

This so called "two party system" exists only because of people with such an attitude, who cannot grasp a confusing concept of a choice more complex than that between Coke and Pepsi.

Jon Stewart Interview on NPR (2, Informative)

stevenrace (822656) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544162)

The interview linked below offers some insight into Stewart's views on the media, sans the cnn puppetry. http://www.npr.org/dmg/dmg.php?prgCode=FA&showDate =30-Sep-2004&segNum=1&mediaPref=WM -WMV link, sorry /.ers The interview starts out a bit lame, however progresses into an interesting dialog about the nature of politics and the media about halfway through..... well interesting for people into thinking and what not.

Daily show is the best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544163)

For those who've never seen the show, check out this hilarious Bush vs Bush [msu.edu] clip from the Daily show.

I think the show is doing a great job of getting young people interested in political issues.

Hypocracy is dead (not really though) (5, Insightful)

AntsInMyPants (819105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544169)

It shows you how bad journalism has gotten when someone can step in and just demolish them like that.

When Carlson tried to act all indignant about Jon sucking up to Kerry, it was all over. With humor and sarcasm, Jon just blew him out of the water. Crossfire claims to be a "real" news show, but Jon exposed it for what it really is.

Its not that this is something new; what's so great is how he does it on their own show. People always have to suck up to these jack asses because they are either afraid to look bad (politicians) or want to be asked back (journalists and politicians).

The result is something more fake than The Daily Show, because it refuses to recognize the absurdity. Its all about shouting and mock-rage from people who care very little for the issue at hand, and are only looking for their "side" to win. The thought process seems to be, if my side did it, then its ok. If the other guy did it, it must be bad somehow.

Just watching begala and carlson stammer and stutter was great. Watching them try to get back on to "funny" topics was painful to watch as they were so obviously lost and out-gunned. Carlson, who prides himself on being so intelligent was reduced to saying "Be Funny". Jon shut him down on that too.

In the middle of it all, Begala and Carlson start whinng for a commercial break. Most likely because they had wet themselves in the previous 5 minutes and needed a change.

sad state of journalism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544171)

John Stewart rocks. mainstream news is crap these days. Ed Murrow is rolling in his god damn grave at the piss poor job the media is calling reporting.

kudos (4, Interesting)

EZmagz (538905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544176)

Read the transcript on Fark yesterday, and my jaw hit the ground as soon as Stewart started talking. I admit right off the bat that I'm a huge Stewart fan, mainly because his "fake news" show is more informative (IMHO) than any other real news show on television these days. That aside, Stewart's also a VERY quick guy who's a force to be reckoned with when it comes to a battle of the wits.

Even if you're not a Stewart fan, you gotta give him credit for going on a popular show like Crossfire, and absolutely calling out the hosts and the rest of the media ON THEIR SHOW for being irresponsible journalists! Even more props for calling one of the hosts a "dick" on CNN. Gotta love when the Crossfire crew starts attacking the integrity of The Daily Show and Stewart immediately fires back that they're preceeded by a crank call program with puppets.

Regardless, I highly suggest anyone even remotely interested in politics and journalism read the transcript.

Brilliant, but... (2, Funny)

macthulhu (603399) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544181)

That was easily the best episode of Crossfire I have ever seen. John Stewart was right on the money about what is wrong with this system... The sad part is that neither of those two dipshits really understood what he was saying. They're too self-important to get it. Though I normally think Paul Begala is a tapeworm, I have to give him credit for passing his pre-show IQ test and keeping his mouth shut... He knew he was bringing a knife to a gunfight. Tucker, also a tapeworm, just couldn't step on those landmines fast enough.

We need more of this. How about a smart "comedian" goon squad to fight on our behalf? I'd like to see George Carlin on Crossfire. Or let's see Tucker argue with Henry Rollins (not really a comedian, but great for the job).

favorite quote from transcript (4, Funny)

spoonyfork (23307) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544185)

You can get the transcript here [cnn.com] .

STEWART: You know, the interesting thing I have is, you have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably.

CARLSON: You need to get a job at a journalism school, I think.

STEWART: You need to go to one.
Jon Stewart, I love you.

OT: While I respect Jon Stewart a lot... (2, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544186)

I've seen less and less of the Daily Show. That used to be my favorite late night television show. It was smart, intelligent, and funny as all hell. But with the 2004 election coverage, it's just become a forum to make fun of republicans.

He leans to the left, and that's fine. I lean to the right, but certainly not an abortion clinic bombing bible thumper. But my complaint of the show is the humor now has the tone of

Jon: "republicans are dumb!"
Crowd: "Hahaha woooo! yeaaahh! (clapping)"

The show has lost the intelligent humor it once did so well. I don't care that he's making fun of Bush, that's not the issue. The issue is that's they've gone from wit to republican bashing. Anyone can make fun of republicans and especially Bush, it's too easy. Though usually it's not based on fact, but liberal opinion.

I can't wait until after the elections when he can make fun of something else. Remember when they did the fake interview of Fabio? That was classic!

Re:OT: While I respect Jon Stewart a lot... (0)

mp3LM (785954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544215)

Actually..if you watch the show..he kinda frowns on that. Last time I watched, I remembered him going "No! I knew that was going to turn into a clapping show!"

I really don't think he wants for that to happen, he just makes fun of what is there. I'm sure there are democratic things to make fun of that he might leave out, but I'm really not sure. I also have not watched it in a while because I just don't watch TV that much.

politics.slashdot.org (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10544192)

This story should be on politics.slashdot.org

What? (2, Funny)

theparanoidcynic (705438) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544208)

A live torrent of the big file in a Slashdot story? What is this? Responsible journalism? ;)

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Jon Steward! (1)

sideshow Pablo (807881) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544210)

The fact that it takes someone on a comedy show to say what many 'reporters' are feeling, but can't say for job security reasons, reveals what is wrong with our 'free and open' press in this country.

I guess I don't get it (1, Insightful)

zogger (617870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544223)

I don't have cable or satellite, so will admit to not seeing either show before to my recollection.

With that said, I have read the transcript, and..well.... these people are professional whats? They all make these huge salaries for what? If ever there were some jobs that needed outsourcing.....I certainly wouldn't pay cash money to view this, it reinforces my observations on cable many moons ago when I had it then dropped it, you go from a few medium crappy channels and shows to a hundred (or more now I guess) medium crappy channels and shows. It read like nascar and world champeen rasslin for people who like to put down real nascar and world champeen rasslin, pot calling the kettle black. Is this the true state of excellence now in those genres of political journalism and political comedy?

We are DOOOOOOMED!

I read nothing journalistic or nothing funny in the piece, unless mildly slangish juvenile insults is considered the height of funniness now.

I've read better journalistic insight and much funnier stuff right here on slashdot, and that is on hardware review pieces at -1.

What Americans call a debate ... (1, Interesting)

orangeguru (411012) | more than 9 years ago | (#10544231)

I like Jon Stewart and his daily show ... but in general I find American tv debates/discussions and os called 'critical' and investigative journalism a joke. You should watch some british tv stuff that made politicians walk out. They really bite them instead of playing that stupid left-right ping pong.

American politics has become too much of a show - and way to many countries imitate that. Is that the way our global democracies should be modelled after?!

I don't think so!
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