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Linus Interviewed

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the old-standbys dept.

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a9db0 writes "There is a somewhat low-content interview with Linus here in the Seattle Times about his move to Portland. It does have a couple of Linus classic one-liners."

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FROST pissst (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548163)

by Schnits


Fej is teh sukc!

Re:FROST pissst (-1, Offtopic)

zerin (820380) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548171)

this sucks. I wanted it, trying to see if I could get 2 in a row.

Portland RULES!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548164)

...and FP!!!

Election 2004 (5, Funny)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548170)

I wonder how many votes Linus will get in this US presidential election...

SLASHDOT HAS GONE MAD (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548214)

It's like that old series of Peanuts strips where everything Charlie Brown looks at, he sees a baseball. Anything Slashdot looks at this month, it sees the U.S. presidential election, and filters it through that context. A Linus Tourvalds article is about the presidential election. A Java vs C# article is like the presidential election. AN ARTICLE ABOUT A GOOGLE SHAREWARE APP BECOMES ABOUT THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

P.S.: And in answer to your question, the last gallup poll showed Linus leading Nader by two points despite the fact that 99% of poll respondents had never heard Tourvalds' name before

Re:Election 2004 (2, Insightful)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548221)

You have to be a US-born citizen to run for president.

Also, I think the Microsoft execs would make much better politicians. They already have the BSing part down, not much else to learn.

Re:Election 2004 (1)

haus (129916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548344)

Well as with all things, exception can be made, take for instance that rumbling noise that is being made by those who want to modify the constitution so that Mr. Schwarzenegger would be eligible to be elected President of the United States.

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20041008.html

Now weather anything actually comes of this who knows, but under the right circumstances I would not be shocked to be looking at a whole new shooting match in the upcoming years.

Re:Election 2004 (2, Insightful)

gbaldwin2 (548362) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548413)

We had the same rumblings about Henry Kissinger in the '70's. It won't happen

Re:Election 2004 (2, Funny)

MikeCapone (693319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548472)

Henry Kissinger?

Why not Hermann Goering...

I don't know (4, Funny)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548252)

But we got Jedi recognised as an official religion by writing it on the census paper.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2757067.stm

Maybe if you score out one of the existing candidates and write Linus on it instead...

Re:I don't know (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548360)

Unfortunately, our election is much too close to play games in (well, at least if you live in one of the handful of closely contested states).

It seems half our populace have fallen for the veil of fog put out by the Bush administration. You would be shocked at how many dumbasses still insist, despite all evidence, that the Iraq war was necessary to fight terrorism.

Summary (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548270)

For those who don't want to RTFA, here are some highlights from Linus:

* Now, many of the volunteers end up getting paid, and maybe they can't be called "volunteers" any more if somebody ends up being silly enough to pay them for something they'd have done for free anyway.

* In real open source, you have the right to control your own destiny. When you play with it, mommy isn't going to tell you what you can and can not do, and not going to take your toy away from you when she thinks you are done. You're an adult, and you can make your own choices. That is when you get engaged.

* I don't think the lawsuits have necessarily made a huge direct difference, but I do think that it has made a lot more people realize that maybe Microsoft wasn't the "American Dream" after all, but just another greedy company that might be better off with some competition.

* Q. How can Linux avoid the security problems that have affected Windows?

A. Better design and actually caring about them. Having the guts to really fixing fundamental design mistakes, rather than trying to work around them,

Re:Election 2004 (5, Funny)

JThundley (631154) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548384)

Linus would never get the numbers as long as there's a CowboyNeal option!

Low content. (-1, Offtopic)

Deal-a-Neil (166508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548172)

And this is my low content first post. People, important point.. it's pronounced LEE-nus, the very first sentence reads.

and you're wrong (4, Funny)

poptones (653660) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548205)

It's only spelled "Linus."

It's pronounced "Luxury Yacht."

Re:and you're wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548244)

Repeat after me.
- My name is Elmer Fudd, Millionaire. I own a mansion und a Yacht.

But, how do you really feel? (5, Interesting)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548175)

He doesn't beat around the bush about Microsoft.

I don't think the lawsuits have necessarily made a huge direct difference, but I do think that it has made a lot more people realize that maybe Microsoft wasn't the "American Dream" after all, but just another greedy company that might be better off with some competition. And that probably has opened a few doors.

I think Microsoft has a PR problem. Largely deservedly, I would say.

Re:But, how do you really feel? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548342)

I think Microsoft has a PR problem. Largely deservedly, I would say.

Yes, Microsoft has a PR problem, but to call them greedy and anti-American Dream is taking things way too far. Microsoft fucking epitomizes the American Dream.

Microsoft made billions selling licenses to great software, and created a vibrant ecosystem where everyone respects everyone elses intellectual property rights. Linux and other communist-type free software ideals threaten to destroy that ecosystem which employs so many people! Take Econ101.

Re:But, how do you really feel? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548425)

The scary thing is that a lot people out there believe this bullshit. They think if you cant own something and put a price on it then it has no value. To this day my uncle, who runs a computer repair shop, calls Linux a "communist" operating system. I can't reason with him or others like him.

Re:But, how do you really feel? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548429)

But microsoft did so with abusive business tactics, not with good, competitive technology.

I love it how everyone oos and aahs about Windows two billion and five XP special extra home edition not crashing and being slightly more resistant to viruses like that was something that microsoft shouldn't have done in the late 80s/early 90s. They literally have more money than they know what to do with and yet they still produce shitty insecure software.

Re:But, how do you really feel? (1)

anicca (819551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548445)

Why? There will still be plenty of XP boxes for linux users like me to fix. What you call ecosystem, I call monopoly. Yes, take econ 101, why pay big for a product that is INFERIOR to one that is FREE??? Name someone else that puts out a product that is broken right out of the box? That has fixes for the fixes?

I find this quote more interesting (0)

Talez (468021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548427)

Q. What do you think about Microsoft's "shared source" program and similar programs offering some access to its code to engage developers?

A. I think they are fundamentally flawed, because there is no way their "shared source" thing can ever really engage a developer. It's like showing somebody the goods and telling them that they can play with all the cool toys, but that they can never really be part of it, and whatever they create will be owned and controlled by Microsoft.

Now if you replace the word Microsoft with "the community" you get what is in essence the GPL license.

Is this loss of freedom and control bad simply because its a loss of freedom and control or is it simply because it would require Microsoft to own the code whereas the community wouldn't abuse it and respect the contribution.

Re:I find this quote more interesting (5, Insightful)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548454)

Your comparison is incorrect. The GPL prevents you from taking the code and leaving the community with it, not restricting your use while being "part of it."

Anti-GPL arguments tend to boil down to one issue--if the code were truly "free," then you ought to be able to do anything you want with it, including slipping the original authors a deuce and taking the code and making it proprietary.

The GPL isn't designed to protect the code, it's designed to protect the community that wrote the code.

Re:I find this quote more interesting (1)

Talez (468021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548480)

I think you're half right.

GPL doesn't allow you to take your ball and go home but people do stop you from playing on their court and force you to make a copy of your own court and make your own game.

Although, my perspective was more from a small coder that would want to incorporate GPL code into a project of his. Either way, he can't use the "toys" without relinquishing his code.

what abt you? (-1, Offtopic)

nickleeson (688936) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548178)

Would you do that if given the option?

Classic One Liner... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548181)

"Suck my cock" -linus to taco

Re:Classic One Liner... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548206)

Gold, I say! GOLD!

Re:Classic One Liner... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548207)

mmmmpphghhgmmmmmmmmmm!

-taco to linus

Re:Classic One Liner... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548297)

"fap fap fap" - Michael watching

Horrible Writeup (5, Funny)

Roofus (15591) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548183)

Once again, I would like to thank the article submitter (as well as the Slashdot editor) who posted this story for giving us NO background information on who this Linus guy is. Are we all expected to instantly recognize every Joe Schmoe that has an interview posted online?

Next time, a little background info would be helpful people!

Ob. comment (-1, Redundant)

zoloto (586738) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548198)

you must be new here. Linus has done some amazing [linux.org] things [kernel.org]

Re:Ob. comment (4, Funny)

polecat_redux (779887) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548289)

you must be new here. Linus has done some amazing things

Really? From what I understand, he merely started a now ~15 y/o approximate clone of a pre-existing OS that is still not ready for widespread adoption on desktop systems (despite what many would have you believe).

And yes, I use Linux.

Re:Ob. comment (4, Informative)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548383)

Is that somehow his fault? Hell, read his original announcement on Usenet. He started it as a hobby. Now it runs on practically any architecture I've ever heard of, and then some. There are millions of people around the world developing for it. And one of the biggest corporations in the world sees it as competition.

I'd say that's pretty amazing.

Re:Ob. comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548437)

Yeah, he made a clone of the UNIX system call + signal interface. Big deal, right?

The *kernel* (which is really the only thing Linus has anything to do with) has been ready for the desktop for at least 5 years.

Re:Ob. comment (1)

michaeldot (751590) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548441)

Linus developed/works on the kernel, which given that it's arguably superior to the NT/XP kernel, is every bit ready for widespread adoption on desktop systems.

What is lacking for Linux is a consistent GUI layer, so expected of a desktop OS these days. (For most desktop users, the GUI *is* the OS.)

That's mainly because it takes a lot of coordinated resources to bring something so all encompassing to fruition, with fundamental design decisions that must permeate the OS, and there is no one company that can impose those decisions on its OS and have everyone instantly adopt them, unlike Microsoft or Apple or Be could/can.

That is a weakness of the open source approach to building an OS, but ultimately it will get there.

Re:Horrible Writeup (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548200)

thats a joke right? muhuhaaaaa

security (0, Offtopic)

zoloto (586738) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548185)

Q. How can Linux avoid the security problems that have affected Windows?

A. Better design and actually caring about them. Having the guts to really fixing fundamental design mistakes, rather than trying to work around them


. ... nuff said

Re:security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548296)

>> [Linus quote]
> . ... nuff said

Ya know, I thought what Linus said was particularly insightful, but then I saw your post, with the "...nuff said" part you added. That really made me think about the topic. I thought long and hard. And I could see your point. It really made me think "gosh, I wish I had mod points so I could mod this guy insightful, because that stuff he added really brought more insight to the discourse I'm reading".

It's too bad that I didn't have mod points, because I would have definately modded up your post.

Highlights (5, Informative)

shirai (42309) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548187)

For those who don't want to RTFA, here are some highlights from Linus:

  • Now, many of the volunteers end up getting paid, and maybe they can't be called "volunteers" any more if somebody ends up being silly enough to pay them for something they'd have done for free anyway.

  • In real open source, you have the right to control your own destiny. When you play with it, mommy isn't going to tell you what you can and can not do, and not going to take your toy away from you when she thinks you are done. You're an adult, and you can make your own choices. That is when you get engaged.

  • I don't think the lawsuits have necessarily made a huge direct difference, but I do think that it has made a lot more people realize that maybe Microsoft wasn't the "American Dream" after all, but just another greedy company that might be better off with some competition.

  • Q. How can Linux avoid the security problems that have affected Windows?

    A. Better design and actually caring about them. Having the guts to really fixing fundamental design mistakes, rather than trying to work around them.

Re:Highlights (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548321)

I don't think the lawsuits have necessarily made a huge direct difference, but I do think that it has made a lot more people realize that maybe Microsoft wasn't the "American Dream" after all, but just another greedy company that might be better off with some competition.

You mean, selling freely reproducable bits in shrinkwrap packages with extremely high profit margins isn't the American Dream? It sure as shit is MY dream. Microsoft has over $40 billion in the bank because they were able to charge money for something that costs them almost nothing to reproduce after they poured investment into the first. That's a nice racket, and I for one think that IS the American Dream: to make easy money.

You open sores hippies just don't get it, and damn if your ideals are going to get any mainstream acceptance and end up devaluing my MSFT stock and other investments. A healthy respect for intellectual property is something America NEEDS for the american dream to continue to be there for the generation, folks.

It had to be said.

Re:Highlights (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548355)

Where the hell did you get the idea that the American Dream was about fucking over people so you could get ahead? The American Dream is about everyone being able to work for a better future. About everyone being able afford that dream house in the suburbs, instead of just a couple fuckwads at the top buying mansions while the rest live in squalor.

Re:Highlights (5, Interesting)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548370)

The American Dream is for me and my childern to have a better life.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that it includes other people. Do you dream of what some guy across the city childern future is?

To say that everyone should have a better future isn't the American Dream, its more, IMHO, of the Communist Dream.

Re:Highlights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548393)

You dont care about your fellow man, asshole? how about this: im the guy you stepped on on the wayt to the top and I'm going to break into your nice McMansion and steal your nice things and maybe rape and shoot your family while high on drugs. You stole my dream you greedy bastard. If you cared more about other people I could have had half of your house and we could both be happy instead of both of us sad. Let this be a lesson to you McScrooge.

Re:Highlights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548420)

This, my friend, is why everyone hates Americans. Pathological, systemic selfishness.

Re:Highlights (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548436)

To say that everyone should have a better future isn't the American Dream, its more, IMHO, of the Communist Dream.

Holy batshit, you can't be serious?!

America is officially jumping the shark.

I approve of this /. article. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548190)

It is very straightforward.

WOW! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548195)

Yet another Linus interview, whoopdeedoo! How terribly interesting! :-/

Linus isn't shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548197)

He's just a figure-head, a pupet if you will, of the Lunix community. In fact, while he gets a real job and earns real money with his real wife, he has his open sores minions do all the work for him (For free, as it's the open sores way)

More detail (5, Informative)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548217)

Here is an article [nwsource.com] with more detail about Torvald's move to Portland.

Re:More detail (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548250)

mod parent down! parent is known troll and post is redirect to nyud.info / lastmeasure

Re:More detail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548322)

Wha? Seems to go to the Seattle Times, just like it says.

Put the crack pipe down, son, and back away from it SLOWLY....

Re:More detail (1)

Zen Punk (785385) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548324)

Anonymous Butthole is the troll. The link is to a news article, nothing more. Read the URL. No redirects, just points to an HTML page on the Seattle Times.

Low content? Huh? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548218)

...but I'm very happy doing it, and I feel I do something meaningful. What more can I ask for?

May we all realize this much some day.


Is there any way an AC can mod Linus + gajillion Insightful for that quote? If so, allow me.

Re:Low content? Huh? (5, Funny)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548404)

Is there any way an AC can mod Linus + gajillion Insightful for that quote?

Are you *really* Alan Cox?

Portland? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548220)

too close to Redmond, if i was Linus i would move far away from that place, maybe San Diego county somewhere...

Re:Portland? (1, Funny)

audacity242 (324061) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548236)

Yeah, two and a half hours is SO close.

Those of us here in Portland cower under Microsoft's presence.

Re:Portland (5, Funny)

j1m+5n0w (749199) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548349)

From the article:

Q. Why did you choose to live in Portland, and what's your impression so far of the Northwest? One person told me you moved there because it looks like Finland. Is that true?

A. Well, the Northwest is certainly more like Finland in the sense that California is not like Finland.

But, no, I don't think that was the reason. Although part of it was definitely that we thought that Portland was more "livable," being smaller and less busy than Silicon Valley. Whether that is because I grew up in Finland, I don't know.

And being from Finland, the horror tales of constant rain didn't scare me as much as they do the native Californians.

I (as a Portlander) for one welcome our new Finish overlord.

-jim

Re:Portland (2, Funny)

gooman (709147) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548418)

Being from SoCal; What is this "rain" that you speak of?

Re:Too rainy for Linus' convertible in Portland? (1)

LemonFire (514342) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548438)

Excerpt from an earlier article [mercurynews.com]

Q: You moved from Finland. How do you like living in Silicon Valley.

A: Some parts I love. I have a convertible. I will never ever move to a place where I can't drive a convertible. I like the dynamics. Sometimes it's sad how you go into a random restaurant and all the tables around you talk about technology. At the same time, it is nice to be where you understand the people. Genetically maybe not very homogenous. But perspective wise, it's a nice place to be. It's too crowded. It's too expensive.


My question now is for you guys living in or knowing about Portland, will it too rainy for Linus' convertible in Portland?

Re:Portland? (3, Funny)

linuxpyro (680927) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548378)

Isn't it obvious? He's gradually moving in so the secret anti-Microsoft secret commando mission can take place. Give it another couple months and Linus and his cronies will have infiltrated Microsoft.

Sounds like a great guy! (5, Insightful)

SSonnentag (203358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548226)

Every time I read one of Linus' interviews I come away with the same impression...Linus sound like a really great guy! He sounds down-to-earth and practical. He doesn't sound greedy, manipulative or controlling. He sounds friendly and seems to have a great sense of humor. Basically, Linus sounds like a reverse image of Microsoft. Go Linu[s|x]!!!

Re:Sounds like a great guy! (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548405)

>I come away with the same impression...Linus sound like a really great guy

Or a really great sales person.

I doubt that its wise to judge a person solely on interviews you've read or else you would think that everyone in Hollywood is a wonderful, fantastic human being dedicated to their art.

Re:Sounds like a great guy! (3, Interesting)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548411)

Yep. But, you see, he never realised what a hurricane he'd unleashed on the world. It was just
a guy (like any one of us) trying to solve a problem. Just that he was at exactly the right point
in history and spatially to start that hurricane.

Linus as a butterfly. I sort of like that.

Funny (at least to me)... (5, Funny)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548228)

Under the slashdot story which points to a Linus Torvalds interview there is an advertisement for Windows 2003 server and it's telling me that it's 17% cheaper to run!

Proneenciation? (3, Funny)

schnitzi (243781) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548246)

> Linus Torvalds (pronounced LEE-nus)

Hmm, does that mean Linux should be pronounced LEE-nux?

No! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548271)

It should be pronounced Gee-N-You/Lun-ucks.

Thank you

Richard Stallman.

Re:Proneenciation? (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548272)

I've heard it pronounced all three ways (lin-ux, leye-nux, lee-nux). Linus says he doesn't really care. But there is a soundbyte somewhere on the net (it used to be the test sound when you installed a soundcard under Linux) that was Linus saying "My name is Leenus Torvald and I pronouse Leenux... Leenux." (or something like that). So yes, in theory, it probably should be Lee-nux.

That said, people in the US have been brainwashed to pronouce the name "leye-nus" for over 50 years by the comic strip "Peanuts". I never knew there WAS any other way to pronouce that name until after I got into Linux and heard Linus pronounce his name.

I assume most Finnish people pronounce it the way he does.

It's just based on how you pronouce the name "Linus" by default.

Re:Proneenciation? (1)

bob beta (778094) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548330)

Brainwashed by a comic strip that appears in print?

(do captioned cartoon drawings 'speak' to you? I'm not even sure how many times the word 'Linus' is even spoken in the few, infrequent, Peanuts animations).

Leeh-nucks (1)

slimyrubber (791109) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548333)

I pronounce it Leeh-nucks... not that you'hd care.

Re:Proneenciation? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548354)

It's just based on how you pronouce the name "Linus" by default.
I doubt it.

I think most Americans (incuding myself) pronounce Linus the "Peanuts" way. "L[eye]nus"

But most Americans tend to pronounce Linux with the soft english "i" as in "in".

Though discussion about proper Linux pronounciation is rendered moot by his own stance that he doesn't give a shit how anyone pronounces it.

Re:Proneenciation? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548388)

Yeah, I thought about that. I think it's because we find it easier to say "lin-ux" than "leye-nux", the first "sounds more natural". People tend to go for a short vowel. I've only run across one person in the last few years who calls it "leye-nux". Everyone else calls it one of the other two (with the majority going with "lin-ux", since I'm in the US).

But if you see the name Linus an "Leenus", then you naturally go to "leenux".

Re:Proneenciation? (1)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548359)

Look in linux/kernel/SillySounds on your favorite kernel mirror for a file called english.au (or swedish.au if you prefer). If you don't have a favorite kernel mirror, you can just Google it [google.com] .

(Not posting any direct links so nobody gets slashdotted.)

Re:Proneenciation? (3, Informative)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548288)

Yes, but but when I said it that way, people laughed at me. There's an audio clip floating around the net, with Linus saying, "This is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce it Leenooks" (rhyming with "books").

Re:Proneenciation? (1)

Shinglor (714132) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548315)

Yes

karmic forgiveness 2.6 (0, Offtopic)

C_REZ (568254) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548247)

hail praise to the all mighty!

They missed the most important question... (3, Funny)

boredMDer (640516) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548277)

...whether or not he frequents Slashdot.

Seems important to me, anyway :-)

Re:They missed the most important question... (5, Funny)

grcumb (781340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548463)

" ...whether or not he frequents Slashdot."

I do, but only for the goatse links.

Love,

Linus

Obligatory LOTR Reference (5, Funny)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548293)

Actually. Linus had to move to Portland in order to get closer to Redmond. Only in the place it was forged can he destroy the One OS, and liberate the free peoples from the shadow of the Dark Lord...

Re:Obligatory LOTR Reference (2, Funny)

Kogase (811902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548416)

This is not funny.

Re:Obligatory LOTR Reference (1)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548469)

Yeah, but man, when coupled with yours, the two together sure is.

DAMN! Nothing on Crusoe 5800 native linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548299)

Any of you /. guys got one running?

Volunteers (0, Redundant)

bob beta (778094) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548309)

Now, many of the volunteers end up getting paid, and maybe they can't be called "volunteers" any more if somebody ends up being silly enough to pay them for something they'd have done for free anyway.


Uh, wow.

You learn something new every day! (0, Redundant)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548331)

From the article: Linus Torvalds [pronounced LEE-nus]

Just think, all these years I thought his name was Linus [pronounced LIE-nus]

Re:You learn something new every day! (-1, Redundant)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548351)

Damn! Too slow on the keyboard, Now I'm going to get modded Redundant!

Re:You learn something new every day! (1)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548479)

Only because there isn't a -1, Incorrect.

It's LIH-nus, as in "lindows".
Look around ftp.kernel.org for SillySounds and you can hear linus pronounce it himself.

Fixing fundamental design mistakes? (3, Insightful)

crucini (98210) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548346)

Q. How can Linux avoid the security problems that have affected Windows?

A. Better design and actually caring about them. Having the guts to really fixing fundamental design mistakes, rather than trying to work around them.

Some folks still think that *nix is inherently virus proof because anything a mere user runs couldn't touch the really important stuff in /bin. I think most Unix programmers understand by now that the really important stuff is under $HOME; what's under /bin is easily replaceable. There are many pathways for effective viruses on Linux - the biggest obstacle to viruses is the lack of standardization.

Maybe Linus is saying that as viruses start attacking Linux, he's willing to radically rethink permissions. GRsecurity and SElinux point in that direction, but wouldn't work for a normal user. Could there be a future Linux kernel that prevents an image library exploit from modifying your .bashrc?

Re:Fixing fundamental design mistakes? (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548369)

So what are the perms of the fuuuuuture?

-rw-r--r----- ... application, user, group, everybody?

(I really haven't thought or read much about this, if you couldn't tell)

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Re:Fixing fundamental design mistakes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548435)

It seems to me that the main problem with security under Windows is that double-click is for both opening a document and executing a program. The UI treats those two operations the same, even though the security implications are very different.

IT geeks tell users "don't double-click a file you weren't expecting to receive", but users have to double-click on things because that's how they read documents. They generally don't need to double-click on executables, but you can't expect an average user to keep track of which of .xls .scr .doc .bat .jpg .txt .vbs .exe .psd .com .pdf .gif and so on are documents and which are programs. And ignorance of file extensions is encouraged by MS with that damned "hide file extensions for known types" setting.

Most Linux apps won't let you execute a program by double-clicking. Once an executable is on your desktop though, most Linux file managers behave much the same as Windows, and happily execute on double-click. The executable flag, at least, offers some protection. It's certainly better than the Windows thing of using a part of the filename (which is determined by the person sending you the file, and hidden by default).

Re:Fixing fundamental design mistakes? (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548442)

Some folks still think that *nix is inherently virus proof because anything a mere user runs couldn't touch the really important stuff in /bin.

What people need to realize is that permissions can always be changed; even if you set the immutable bit, you can still unset it. What properly designed and implemented permissions do is make it hard enough to do any damage that script kiddies won't be able to find cheat-sheets for virus writing. Only those that can work it out for themselves will be able to write viruses and there aren't many out there that are both able to do so and interested in putting in the effort. Not exactly security through obscurity, more like making it more effort than script kiddies will be willing to put into it.

Re:Fixing fundamental design mistakes? (1)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548444)

Eh? The kernel very definitely should mind it's own business! (Even on a non microkernel architecture the kernel's responsibilities shouldn't be to be a nanny). Linux *is* mostly based on a classic UNIX architecture and hence exploits can still happen if admins are dumb enough not to grok security - UNIX has a discretionary security policy (you get to be as stupid as you are), whereas what you're asking for is a mandatory security policy (we won't let you do anything without sacrificing goats to our deity). Guess which one performs better? Mostly, human societies and technologies are based on the former. I sort of don't like the latter. Like a hitech version of Burma or North Korea... The real answer is to focus on solving the criminal issues associated with these things trans-nationally, not getting more paranoid every time we go to sleep. (I've seen where that leads and the word xenophobia pops into my head unbidden).

Quote (3, Funny)

xgamer04 (248962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548368)

Definitely the best line:

Q. Why did you choose to live in Portland, and what's your impression so far of the Northwest? One person told me you moved there because it looks like Finland. Is that true?


A. Well, the Northwest is certainly more like Finland in the sense that California is not like Finland.

and I don't know why, but it made me laugh.

Re:Quote (4, Informative)

michaeldot (751590) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548395)

Me too. There's a touch of Douglas Adams about it... "The spaceship fleet hung in the air in precisely the way a ton of bricks doesn't."

Re:Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548398)

Reminded me of a Hitchhiker quote - "The ships hung in the sky much the same way that bricks don't."

Minnesota (3, Interesting)

SuperQ (431) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548374)

Being from Finland, Linus would be very at home in Minnesota, the land and trees (yes.. wood, finland's major national resouce) are very much alike. There are a lot of fins here as well, many who still speak Finnish (although Linus is a sweed-fin)

Having visited Finland for a couple weeks in January, (including a trip up to lapland), their winters are somewhat more mild than Minnesota. The temperature in Pello was about 2C higher than MN at the time.. Pello is about 30km north of the arctic circle if I remember correctly. Minneapolis is about as far north as Paris is.

Finns and Penguin Fins (1)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 9 years ago | (#10548428)

There are a lot of fins here as well, many who still speak Finnish (although Linus is a sweed-fin)

Just for reference someone from Finnland is a Finn. A fish has fins.

Makes you wonder if the fact that penguins are the main birds with fins, if this is a pun about Linus's nationality...

Re:Finns and Penguin Fins (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548465)

gobble on my fetid cunt, you shiteating twerp

Re:Finns and Penguin Fins (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548470)

yum! I found a maggot in your vagina! please, mam, may I dive for another?

Great Idea. Not in the crowds. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10548400)

Love it. Just what I'd expect of Linus. Lower pressure environment, less traffic, noise, more
wildlife, more interesting weather (oops: not so sure I like that one - living in Athens GR at the moment...).

These days, offices in california are so 19th century...

Hope he gets time to write about the local birds/fish and strange eccentrics. Not to
mention the neurotoxic local "brew"...

(Big Hint to Tim O'Reilly - I bet Linus could write a nice book which is not computer orientated...)
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