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30 Years Of Dungeons And Dragons

timothy posted about 10 years ago | from the no-beldar-the-biiiig-die dept.

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vasqzr writes "CNN has a story about Dungeons and Dragons celebrating its 30th birthday. 'An estimated 25,000 fans in 1,200 stores celebrated the anniversary Saturday, said Charles Ryan, brand manager for role-playing games at Wizards of the Coast, a Renton, Washington, company that owns Dungeons & Dragons.'"

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Although correlation != causation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10549984)

Countries with D&D have seen their birthrates decrease for the past 30 years.

Re:Although correlation != causation (3, Funny)

daniil (775990) | about 10 years ago | (#10550036)

Ahh, it saddens me to think of all the heroes that have fallen in countless D&D combats. The best warriors are routinely slaughtered, but for what purpose? What are they fihting and dying for? Gold? But what good has all this gold brought them? Had they stayed at home, they would have become good farmers or blacksmiths (or, who knows, perhaps even philosophers, searching for a better tomorrow), good husbands to their wives, good fathers to their sons and daughters. But alas, they are all gone. They have all died in this pointless war.

*wipes a tear from his face, grabs his bag'o'dice and notebook, and marches off into a distant realm*

ain't easy being a peasant (4, Funny)

eean (177028) | about 10 years ago | (#10550119)

But you know what happens to townspeople and peasants - sacrifaced to their Dragon master, killed off by a strange plague or senselessly killed by wandering adventurers.

Re:Although correlation != causation (1)

zrk (64468) | about 10 years ago | (#10550176)



But, so many of them were carrying around WMDs that unleashed havoc upon peaceful realms. You know they had to be eliminated.

WMD= Weapons of Magic Destruction.

It's almost as if ... (3, Funny)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550240)

... some unseen force is controlling all actions in the world, determining fate by the roll of a die - an all-knowing, all-powerful being who enjoys pizza and pepsi ...

Re:Although correlation != causation (1)

gilroy (155262) | about 10 years ago | (#10550307)

Blockquoth the poster:

Had they stayed at home, they would have become good farmers or blacksmiths (or, who knows, perhaps even philosophers, searching for a better tomorrow), good husbands to their wives, good fathers to their sons and daughters...
... at least until the Beast With No Name arose from Beyond the Black Void and ate the world, as prophesied. :)

Re:Although correlation != causation (5, Funny)

WarPresident (754535) | about 10 years ago | (#10550349)

Ahh, it saddens me to think of all the heroes that have fallen in countless D&D combats. The best warriors are routinely slaughtered, but for what purpose? What are they fihting and dying for?

Usually for pissing off the DM... Took the last powdered donut without asking? Your character's last words might be:

"What do you mean the feather fall wears off?"
"C'mon guys, it's just a pile of dragon bones... guys?"
"What's a tarrasque?"
"HOW many Kobolds?"

Yeah - definately ! (1)

bushboy (112290) | about 10 years ago | (#10550064)

By about 0.000000001%

Yeah, mod me down already - I've known approximately 4 people out of at least 2000 who have ever played D&D ;)

Re:Yeah - definately ! (4, Insightful)

Inn0vate (797245) | about 10 years ago | (#10550124)

you should clarify, you know 4 people out of at least 2000 who _admit_ to having every played D&D.

Re:Yeah - definately ! (5, Funny)

ahknight (128958) | about 10 years ago | (#10550158)

Bluff check, DC 15.

Re:Yeah - definately ! (1)

scribblez (745500) | about 10 years ago | (#10550521)

Same here, I got into D&D through the game planescape: torment. It was hard for me to find people to play D&D with.. But at the end, i did find people, so it was ok. Nevertheless, I don't often hear of that many people playing D&D (around my age group at least, which is 20)

Re:Although correlation != causation (2, Insightful)

John Courtland (585609) | about 10 years ago | (#10550282)

You know, I've found the opposite to be true (although the joke is very well timed and very funny :) )

Most people I know that play D&D (not a great sample size, but I think I meet the requisite 34) are sexual maniacs. But then again, it may be countered by the prudes.

celibate D&D geeks (4, Funny)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550388)

Once you've had wickedly nubile Finnish goddess of pain Loviatar (1st Edition Deities & Demigods p. 55), who can be ever be satisfied by mere mortal women again?

30 years! (4, Funny)

geeveees (690232) | about 10 years ago | (#10549987)

THIRTY years of Dungeons&Dragons!

It's a ...

/me rolls 1d6

...HAPPY birthday!

Re:30 years! (5, Funny)

munehiro (63206) | about 10 years ago | (#10550037)

1d20. Or is your happy birthday like a short sword hit ? :P

Re:30 years! (1)

mog007 (677810) | about 10 years ago | (#10550178)

I get the sinking feeling that most posts will amount to people rolling dice for a response to the article. It reminds me of the first Anthology of Interest on Futurama where Gary Gygax made a guest shot and Al Gore got irritated at his constant dice rolling.

30 Years Old, eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10549988)

And, still hasn't kissed a girl, yet. Thats what the RPGers need, a conquest across space and time... to snog a bird!

30 Years? (5, Funny)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | about 10 years ago | (#10549992)

Wow. I am very -- *rolls dice* -- surprised that it's already so long.

Re:30 Years? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550038)

God D&D is boring. I played it for about six months (once every couple weeks) but would be embarassed to admit so. It's boring and filled with stinky dateless nerds. It's almost as bad as those LARPing freaks.

Re:30 Years? (1)

Chocolate Teapot (639869) | about 10 years ago | (#10550056)

Yep. Doesn't seem a day more than 50 years, does it?

Re:30 Years? (1)

Fred_A (10934) | about 10 years ago | (#10550266)

Is this some kind of comment on my age ?

For those that didn't already know (1, Informative)

Pingular (670773) | about 10 years ago | (#10549993)

Dungeons and dragons [wikipedia.org]

Mod useless parent (Sir Haxalot) down please (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550314)

Why gee, look at Pingular [slashdot.org] 's last 4 posts, nothing but "I can contribute nothing but I can link to Wikipedia or other sites for cheap upmods!" Please don't waste your mod points modding this known Slashdot crapflooder [slashdot.org] up.

Re:For those that didn't already know (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550322)

Number of geeks in the world who don't know about D&D or Google: four, apparently, going by the number of people who modded you up for that overwhelmingly redundant post. Such is Slashdot...

Re:For those that didn't already know (2, Interesting)

ThJ (641955) | about 10 years ago | (#10550483)

He posts links to Wikipedia all the time. So what? It didn't even occur to me that Wikipedia would have an article about it. I have never played D&D (never had access to it, and I have too few friends) so that Wikipedia article actually looks interesting. Kudos to this poster. I'd mod him up too. I love Wikipedia.

Thanks... (5, Funny)

MrFluffyPants26 (724497) | about 10 years ago | (#10549997)

..for telling me a day late.

Re:Thanks... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550015)

I didn't know either, but completely coincidentally I was playing my first Saturday-night D&D session since 1986 yesterday!

Says something about the bell-curve my life has taken I guess...

Re:Thanks... (1)

pommiekiwifruit (570416) | about 10 years ago | (#10550286)

You're annoyed? Heck, I just found out that today it is the culinery olympics in germany... why oh why can't the news agencies tell us these important things *before* they happen, eh? I could have booked off some holiday time...

Thanks... (4, Funny)

while(true) (626738) | about 10 years ago | (#10550001)

...for making me feel old, you insensitive clod!

Just kidding, happy big 30 D&D! :)

Nice, Sort Of (4, Interesting)

mfh (56) | about 10 years ago | (#10550005)

D&D is such a great game. I would like to thank Ed Greenwood [zackcompany.com] for his wonderful contributions to the game in the form of the Forgotten Realms [wizards.com] . Truly inspirational work this stuff is, or at least was. But sadly TSR has gone downhill since being eaten by the WoSC group [wizards.com] , who used to just make a bunch of playing cards [wizards.com] . Before you all pipe in and tell me to shut the hell up (because 3rd gen r00lz), I'll have you know that any time a module presents NINE 10th level fighters together as a battle, like in the Ravenloft adventures in and around Bluetspur [wikipedia.org] , you have to ask if the depth of the game has been replaced by the stats that go with it. The answer has to be that the game has indeed shifted from a game of detailed and rich storytelling, such as with Ed Greenwood's additions, to a game of character advancement by hacking and slashing monsters, and people.

I'm sorry but TSR jumped the shark with Ravenloft, not to mention Spell Jamming.

Translation, please? (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | about 10 years ago | (#10550028)

Wow, I thought I was a geek, but apparently not! Can you provide some kind of translation into English so those of us who HAVE seen real naked women can understand, please?

Re:Translation, please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550046)

Basically he's bitter because everyone wants to drive a sports car in a world filled with Honda Civics.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (3, Interesting)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | about 10 years ago | (#10550035)

To me Forgotten Realms IS D&D just about...I started D&D with the FR setting (improvising, just using maps, not the acutal FR campaign setting) and I really love it..there's so much back-material that a DM can incorporate and so many places and whatnot. Some people may call me unoriginal for not wanting to create my own worlds, but frankly I don't think that a campaign suffers much from having a ready body of terrain and culture to take from...

Either way, down one for Ed Greenwood (and pray his books come out in paperback faster!)

Re:Nice, Sort Of (2, Informative)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 10 years ago | (#10550052)

I have to agree. I used to play AD&D years ago until a friend of mine wanted to switch over to play the Star Wars RPG. It was fun change for a short while until the characters became all powerful (read: super stong Jedis). That game, like your comment, really focused on getting better skills and then killing more stormtroopers. Its fun for a little bit but gets old.

I remeber playing AD&D and the reward at the end of a weekend of adventuring was a sword. And it took another weekend to find the magician that told me it did. Good times.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (2, Informative)

BeerCat (685972) | about 10 years ago | (#10550218)

Ah, the days when the DM concentrated on storylines, all the while trying to avoid the IUDC [netcom.com] syndrome.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (4, Interesting)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | about 10 years ago | (#10550070)

Ravenloft and Spelljammer were 2nd edition. And yes, it was getting lame at that point. Ahem, relatively speaking.

But 3rd edition was a great revision. The core rules are wonderfully streamlined, yet complex. The system has its flaws and faults still, but melee in 3e was the most managable system of any edition since Basic D&D.

D&D always runs into a problem where in order to keep selling books they have to publish more and more titles, and after a while the well runs dry and they just don't playtest or quality control like they should. But if you stick to the core books and your own house rules, it's a great game.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (2, Insightful)

heptapod (243146) | about 10 years ago | (#10550211)

The biggest flaw with D&D 3.5 is the fact that it still requires people to use obscure polyhedral dice. How many times have you rolled a d12 in a game?
I'm surprised that the folks working on D&D didn't take stock of what kind of dice get rolled most frequently and migrate the system to using one kind of die like other gaming systems.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

ahknight (128958) | about 10 years ago | (#10550317)

How many times have you rolled a d12 in a game?

Every time my Dwarf attacks ...

i still prefer Basic edition the best :-) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550449)

i'm too dumb for 1e/2e/3e. or maybe i just don't like lotsa rules. ;-)
ps. Erol Otus is da man!

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

JonnyCalcutta (524825) | about 10 years ago | (#10550071)

To be fair WotC were a small games publisher like any other (Talislanta and some other stuff) until they were approached by Richard Garfield (could be the wrong name, its been a while) with a certain collectable card game. I'm not sure anyone involved at that point was 100% responsible for the runaway success of their own product since it wasn't really initially meant to be a 'collectable' game. And since they've spent a good many years now owned by Hasbro, the widget maker of the board game world, is it any surprise that all originality, fun and charm has been sucked out of it all?

Re:Nice, Sort Of (0, Troll)

SJasperson (811166) | about 10 years ago | (#10550088)

TSR jumped the shark not long after the release of Chainmail (which I still own the original spiral-bound rule book for), you young whippersnapper.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (4, Interesting)

Bootsy Collins (549938) | about 10 years ago | (#10550134)


I can understand (and agree with) this argument if all one does is use the pre-prepared campaigns and adventures put out by WotC. But if you're designing your own campaign, I don't see how this need be true. I can't tell you you're wrong, since I haven't run a game or played under D&D3 rules (since I'm not playing or running games at all these days). But you don't have to use the campaigns that WotC puts out.

Put another way, what is it about D&D3 (as opposed to AD&D2 or AD&D1 or original D&D -- don't know much about D&D2 myself) that prevents a creative referee from desigining an interesting campaign, containing involving stories, and presenting them in an engaging fashion?

Re:Nice, Sort Of (5, Insightful)

skroz (7870) | about 10 years ago | (#10550136)

you have to ask if the depth of the game has been replaced by the stats that go with it. The answer has to be that the game has indeed shifted from a game of detailed and rich storytelling, such as with Ed Greenwood's additions, to a game of character advancement by hacking and slashing monsters, and people

You forget one very important thing about D&D and RPGs in general... the game is what you make of it. The system is incidental. If your GM and players all want a game about hacking and slashing, then the d20 rules will give you a great place to do that. If your group wants action, adventure, character development, intrigue, and all of the "flavor," then you can also do that within the framework that WoTC has provided with third edition. Or you could use another system. Or use no system at all.

Personally, I'm thrilled with the changes made from 2nd edition to 3rd. 3.5 doesn't sit as well, but they really did fix a lot from 3.0. But the books themselves are there as tools to help GMs (sorry, DMs) build worlds, and it's up to the storyteller to create a world in which the players can find adventure. You don't need rules for that... you need rules to keep everyone from arguing with each other when you do need to figure out what happens to the kobold when it gets hit with the +5 axe of vorpal soothing.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

skroz (7870) | about 10 years ago | (#10550141)

You know what? Just to prove it can be done, I'm going to run my next session using the rules for Chutes and Ladders... just to prove my point to, er, myself.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550324)

Wtf is chutes and ladders? a politically correct american snakes and ladders or something?

Re:Nice, Sort Of (4, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | about 10 years ago | (#10550365)

you need rules to keep everyone from arguing with each other when you do need to figure out what happens to the kobold when it gets hit with the +5 axe of vorpal soothing.

His arm comes off, but he's OK about it.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | about 10 years ago | (#10550404)

3.5 Almost seemed to me what WinME was to Windows....some of the errata seemed to work well, but there were other things (didn't they reintroduce a form of 2e Kits?) seemed to be unbalanced (or else targeted at simple hacknslash campaigns) ---if i'm wrong please tell me, but from what i've read/heard....

Oh, and there was that part where (again as far as i know) if you have 3.0 core books you have to buy brand new 3.5 books all over again (not a drop in the bucket to a college gamer)

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

meringuoid (568297) | about 10 years ago | (#10550137)

WoSC group

Wizards of the Sword Coast?

Re:Nice, Sort Of (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550290)

I think TSR redeemed themselves to the hard core RPGers with Planescape. Too bad they killed it. It was a truly outstanding campaign setting. Currently D&D has no setting for advanced players so they tend to play rifts, shadowrun, or white wolf games. Pity.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (2, Informative)

Allen Varney (449382) | about 10 years ago | (#10550344)

sadly TSR has gone downhill since being eaten by the [WotC] group [...] TSR jumped the shark with Ravenloft, not to mention Spell Jamming.

As others have pointed out, TSR published the Ravenloft and Spelljammer campaign settings long before Wizards of the Coast bought TSR. More to the point, many fans regard the Ravenloft setting as one of the high points of the TSR years, because of its sharp sense of the Gothic horror genre. Wizards sold the line to White Wolf Game Studio, which continues to publish it under its Arthaus [swordsorcery.com] imprint.

As for Spelljammer, that was my own favorite AD&D campaign setting (along with Al-Qadim, the Arabian Nights setting). I had great fun writing the first Spelljammer module, WILDSPACE. Unfortunate much of the support line failed to live up to the premise's potential.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

Planesdragon (210349) | about 10 years ago | (#10550397)

I'm sorry but TSR jumped the shark with Ravenloft, not to mention Spell Jamming.

TSR jumped the shark with 2nd edition. Not "During", "with". Which is why when WotC sent Ryan Dancy to check out if they could be bought, he found a warehouse full of unsold 1st edition material.

TSR was bought out because, quite frankly, they didn't know what they were doing. WotC took D&D and made it what it always had been at the core--a rather campy hack & slash system with rules clear enough to be stretched to tell good stories.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (2, Insightful)

muhcashin (787826) | about 10 years ago | (#10550476)

Well, from my experience, rules are useful (and perhaps necessary) to hack-and-slash games. Those games require a lot dice rolling whereas the more-talk-less-fight games generally don't need very detailed rules. Immersive story-telling games need only a reasonable DM. And to those who hate hack-and-slashing, D&D was born from war games, so it only makes sense that violence and killing be part of it.

Re:Nice, Sort Of (1)

ThJ (641955) | about 10 years ago | (#10550508)

You must be mistaken. An RPG in which your sole goal is slaying innocent monsters to collect points? That's Ragnorok Online! :O

Am I the only one that noticed... (3, Informative)

slappyjack (196918) | about 10 years ago | (#10550012)

...that it looks like the A.P. has poorly educated High School Students writing their articles now?

I mean, this thing looks like its target at about a 4th grade reading level.

Happy B-Day to D&D anyway.

Re:Am I the only one that noticed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550017)

Most news articles are written at or below an 8th grade reading level. The author probably asked his kid in high school for help.

Re:Am I the only one that noticed... (1)

John Courtland (585609) | about 10 years ago | (#10550043)

Yep, I've noticed numerous spelling errors and pretty substandard grammatical constructs recently as well. Not just stupid shit like how to use a semicolon or ending a sentence with a preposition either, but about sentences that contain vague subjects and verbs with improper tenses.

Obligatory (5, Funny)

quintesson (118019) | about 10 years ago | (#10550014)

... and it still hasn't moved out of it's parents' basement!

I wonder if the D20 system will last that long.

Gaah! (4, Funny)

Trikenstein (571493) | about 10 years ago | (#10550016)

I blew my saving throw and had to rta!

Where're the Cheetos??? (5, Funny)

zrk (64468) | about 10 years ago | (#10550023)



Can I have some Mountain Dew?

Re:Where're the Cheetos??? (2, Funny)

Gabrill (556503) | about 10 years ago | (#10550102)

Yes! You can have a Mt. Dew! Just go get it!

Re:Where're the Cheetos??? (2, Funny)

Psionicist (561330) | about 10 years ago | (#10550110)

I attack the darkness!

Explanation (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550150)

For those who haven't seen it...
part 1 [web1000.com]
Check your local P2P network for part2. Search for Dead Ale Wives Dungeons Dragons

Re:Where're the Cheetos??? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550153)

I cast.. magic missiles!

World Record? (3, Funny)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | about 10 years ago | (#10550025)

Will they get into the Guinness Book for all-time largest gathering of virgins?

Re:World Record? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550227)

Sorry, Slashdot is pretty much solid with that record.

That first session, so long ago... (3, Funny)

Etherwalk (681268) | about 10 years ago | (#10550033)

In the beginning there was the fighter, and he was without wisdom and void of intellect. So he was named sponge. And there was evening and there was morning, the first character.

Re:That first session, so long ago... (2, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | about 10 years ago | (#10550107)

So he was named sponge.

Whaaa? I always played a bard.

<musical spock>
Ahhhhhh... bitter dregs.
</musical spock>

Wow.. (5, Funny)

NightWulf (672561) | about 10 years ago | (#10550040)

"An estimated 25,000 fans in 1,200 stores celebrated the anniversary Saturday". Wow, A vacuum of virginity only rivaled by that of a Star Trek convention. I kid! I kid!

Re:Wow.. (2, Funny)

ckaminski (82854) | about 10 years ago | (#10550265)

Great comment on WAAF in Boston Friday:

D&D is 30 today, only 2 years younger than the virgins who play it.

Re:Wow.. (1)

Fallen Andy (795676) | about 10 years ago | (#10550306)

Cough. Splutter. Nice collective noun. I always like
a "charm of goldfinches" myself...

Dupe (4, Informative)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | about 10 years ago | (#10550042)

This story hit a few months ago, and was covered on Slashdot.

Here [slashdot.org] and
Here [slashdot.org] .

24,999 guys with chainmail bikini posters. (5, Funny)

leftie (667677) | about 10 years ago | (#10550054)

1 chubby girl that shouldn't have worn a chainmail bikini.

Changing Demographics? (5, Interesting)

subrosas (752277) | about 10 years ago | (#10550074)

I've seen sailors in the USN play D&D, lawyers play D&D, children play D&D with their parents. I've seen sysadmins play, financial advisors play, even a high school teacher or two.
D&D has left the basement rec room geek nirvana of the early '80s and gone elsewhere, as the article (barely) alluded to.

Re:Changing Demographics? (4, Interesting)

skroz (7870) | about 10 years ago | (#10550194)

It's apparently HUGE in the USN, particularly on submarines. The crewmen are trapped down in little sardine cans for months on end with little to do when not on duty, so a lot play D&D.

Re:Changing Demographics? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550246)

i play with a few lawyers and a preacher. times, they is a changin', certainly

Old or young? (5, Interesting)

mhollis (727905) | about 10 years ago | (#10550087)

Back in the Middle Ages (the 1980s) I had a group of about ten people, male and female playing regularly. We played one dungeon for about four months and it was then that I started allowing everyone to keep their characters and started reading history in order to accomodate their increasing character strengths and abilities.

We were also playing games on Apple ][ computers...

Sadly, I moved out of the area we were playing in to accept a job where I have now lived for 20 years. Last I heard the group still met, though once monthly. One of the girls in our group married one of the boys (they were well-suited for each other even though I always thought their characters took out their relationship frustrations on each other) and they now have two children.

"So, Daddy, how did you meet mommy?"
"Actually, she cast a spell that felled an orc that was just about to kill me."

Another one of the girls married, then divorced one of the boys -- then married another boy from the group. They have no children, which is probably a good thing if my memory about their temperment serves me

"So how did you two meet, anyway?"
"I was married to one knight when he came in and swept me off my feet and onto his white charger, while fighting off an underworld demon. I cast a spell of enchantment on him and the rest is history."

Funny thing is, I'm still unmarried.

"Sincere, erudite dungeonmaster seeks....

Lame joke. (0)

Tracer_Bullet82 (766262) | about 10 years ago | (#10550099)

variable : 25000
possible point-to-point connection : 625000000
actual date : priceless

And yet... (3, Funny)

Valiss (463641) | about 10 years ago | (#10550104)

.... 90% of the responses from players in game is still "I roll to attack."

I love hack n slash.

Re:And yet... (1)

BeerCat (685972) | about 10 years ago | (#10550192)

Roll?

The usual one was "I vape the b....."

But then, anything above about 15th level, and there wasn't much that would put up a good fight.


Unless it was a dodgy mirror placed midway down a corridor. Funny how they always fell for that one - one fireball bouncing back and then they know how much damage they can inflict on themselves.

New round, roll for initiative! (5, Interesting)

Fractal Dice (696349) | about 10 years ago | (#10550112)

D&D really was one of those rare cases of something "new". Before the net was popular, it was a great tool for social networking for geeks. Every tech job I've ever had came not from my experience or my education, but from contacts made over the years around gaming tables.

Alas, it's a also a good example of how success is measured differently between sellers and consumers. D&D never really went into decline around here, but once you own the main rule books and some dice, you don't _need_ anything else and so game stores moved more heavily into card games where the profits were.

The d20 licensing scheme is very, very cool, although I have to admit that I still don't quite trust TSR/Wizards/Hasbro (their first reaction to the net was similar to the RIAA but then after an initial fan-relations-disaster they changed their tune and actually made an effort to reach out to the fans and address legitimate need to be able to share).

It's interesting watching a second generation of gamers start to grow up (and yes, there is a large and healthy population of them). They don't have to be saddled with as much of the "it's evil!" baggage (it's still out there, but weakened as the geek have inherited the earth)

Re:New round, roll for initiative! (3, Interesting)

DoctorDeath (774634) | about 10 years ago | (#10550180)

My younger daughter (13yo) found some of my old AD&D books and has started an interest in it. She carries the monster guide with her and uses it as an inspiration for drawing. I guess the new generation will continue where we old timers left off. Happy B-day D&D!

Re:New round, roll for initiative! (1)

Fallen Andy (795676) | about 10 years ago | (#10550363)

Right. You've hit on social networking, but it wasn't just for geeks. Most of my AD+D friends were blue collar, (and on the side jazz rock musicians).

There's a long tradition of having a boring day job and thinking outside the usual football (soccer) loop.

Yes, this stuff *is* evil. Just like Scientific American, James Randi, Martin Gardner and all those
other wicked "freethinkers". (Hint: I'm from Norfolk UK although in Athens GR and my hero from
there is Tom Paine). I'm all in favour of it. Get enough of them, and it'll be the death of organized cults (no names mentioned).
Remember - the 36th triangle number is 666...

D&D virgins? (1)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550155)

I think not! [acc.umu.se]

Re:D&D virgins? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550160)

I think not!

On the contrary, I think your link proved the point.

Careful! (1)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550206)

Don't make me hurt you! [acc.umu.se]

DND Humor (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550162)

ED: You see a well-groomed garden. In the middle, on a small hill, you see a gazebo.
ERIC: A gazebo? What color is it?
ED: (Pause) It's white, Eric.
ERIC: How far away is it?
ED: About 50 yards.
ERIC: How big is it?
ED: (Pause) It's about 30 feet across, 15 feet high, with a pointed top.
ERIC: I use my sword to detect whether it's good.
ED: It's not good, Eric. It's a gazebo!
ERIC: (Pause) I call out to it.
ED: It won't answer. It's a gazebo!
ERIC: (Pause) I sheathe my sword and draw my bow and arrows. Does it respond in any way?
ED: No, Eric. It's a gazebo!
ERIC: I shoot it with my bow (rolls to hit). What happened?
ED: There is now a gazebo with an arrow sticking out of it.
ERIC: (Pause) Wasn't it wounded?
ED: Of course not, Eric! It's a gazebo!
ERIC: (Whimper) But that was a plus-three arrow!
ED: It's a gazebo, Eric, a gazebo! If you really want to try to destroy it, you could try to chop it with an axe, I suppose, or you could try to burn it, but I don't know why anybody would even try. It's a @#%$*& gazebo!
ERIC: (Long pause - he has no axe or fire spells) I run away.
ED: (Thoroughly frustrated) It's too late. You've awakened the gazebo, and it catches you and eats you.
ERIC: (Reaching for his dice) Maybe I'll roll up a fire-using mage so I can avenge my paladin...

I haven't played AD&D in a long time (4, Funny)

discord5 (798235) | about 10 years ago | (#10550212)

Our AD&D sessions were always fun, back when we had too much time and no girlfriends.

DM: "You see a hallway with three barrels"

Player #1: "I walk to the barrels and pry one open"
Player #2: "No wait, you idiot"
DM: "A witch comes out of the barrel and rolls dice is preparing to cast a spell"
Player #1: "I cast burning hands and grab her tits"
DM: sighs "The hideous hag slaps you and continues her casting"
Player #2: "I apologize for my companions behavior and hit her with my longsword"

Somewhere along the line we grew up and got a life, although we all fondly remember being half drunk and playing AD&D.

Old Tricks (1)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | about 10 years ago | (#10550247)

One of my favorite tricks to pull out when shit hit the fan was the ol' Portable-Hole-placed-into-Bag-of-Holding [dndonlinegames.com] dimensional rift. :) That always spices up a boring game session.

What other clever tricks have you crowd employed over the years?

Re:Old Tricks (2, Interesting)

meringuoid (568297) | about 10 years ago | (#10550320)

About the bag of holding... and bearing in mind I only know D&D thanks to Bioware...

Anything placed in a bag of holding effectively weighs nothing. Zero newtons weight, zero kilograms inertial mass. So.

Take two bags of holding, two cannonballs, two buckets, two pulleys and a length of rope. Now, put the cannonballs in the buckets, and fasten the mouths of the bags over the rims of the buckets. Fasten the buckets to the rope, and run the rope over the two pulleys with one pulley above the other. Make sure that on the left hand side the bag is above the bucket, and on the right hand side the bag is below the bucket so that the cannonball drops out of the bucket and into the bag.

Now, let go of the rope. The weight of the cannonball in the left bucket pulls down on that side, and the cannonball on the right weighs nothing because it's in a BoH. So, the left side moves down, the right side up, and the pulleys turn.

Eventually the bucket on the right goes up and over the top and the cannonball drops out of the BoH and into the bucket. The reverse happens on the botton: the other ball drops out of the bucket and into the BoH. Result: the left hand side is still heavier than the right, and the pulleys turn.

The pulleys turn faster and faster, with no end in sight. Feel free to attach the mechanism of your choice to this limitless power source.

Re:Old Tricks (1)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550448)

Mordenkainen's Entropic Force Missile

Re:Old Tricks (1)

Jerf (17166) | about 10 years ago | (#10550489)

Rationalizing magic in most fantasy worlds is impossible and the DM should slap you for trying.

For one thing, with a multitude of readily-accessible planes, your "universe" is hardly a closed system.

But if you insist, there is a place to draw the energy from in your scenario: The space inside the bag. Space itself is energy of a sort; I don't know how to compute it from General Relativity, but my impression is that it is a rather large amount; one bag would probably keep that going effectively indefinately with neglibile space loss.

(Of course, that implies you must have access to an equally large amount of energy to create the bag in the first place; how convenient that there are so many highly energetic planes to draw from.)

Ahother version for the Dead Alewives parody (2, Funny)

lesterchakyn (235922) | about 10 years ago | (#10550275)

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/90046

Salute to the D20 (1)

splerdu (187709) | about 10 years ago | (#10550277)

All hail the whimsical, wonderfully tactile, d20. =)

Wives? (4, Funny)

Himring (646324) | about 10 years ago | (#10550292)

An estimated 25,000 fans in 1,200 stores celebrated the anniversary Saturday

And only 2 women were pissed at their husbands cuz of the event....

I celebrated, unknowingly. (1)

mbourgon (186257) | about 10 years ago | (#10550370)

Odd, that. That might explain why our weekly Neverwinter Nights game went off without a hitch. Teamspeak + NWN + Friends = Fun.

Heck, come to think of it, my wife finally installed it last night...

cool (1)

ReagansUndeadBrain (807163) | about 10 years ago | (#10550418)

QuestionS

- using a separate server for Teamspeak, or does one 'player' act as server?

- how clunky is 'DM' feature in NWM?

d4, the dreaded caltrop (3, Funny)

Anonymous Luddite (808273) | about 10 years ago | (#10550428)


oh the pain...

I can remember getting up from the gaming table and finding that missing d4 with my bare left foot.

Those damn dice were small enough to hide in a shag rug and hurt like a bastard when stepped on, (especially the early ones, cuz the corners weren't blunted)

blunted corners? (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | about 10 years ago | (#10550556)

Sheesh. Fireworks are illegal, kids ride bikes with helmets on, and now d4s have blunted corners. We've eliminated children's natural predators. They'd better make hunting kids legal again or next winter there may be thousands of them starving to death and running into traffic, just like deers.

"newbie" player compared to some of you... (2, Interesting)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | about 10 years ago | (#10550436)

I've played D&D for four or five years, started in 3ed, but at one point i did roll a 2ed character for a campaign played via instant messanger. I honetsly dont see how you 2e players manage (3 seems so much more streamlined to me, but perhaps mostly becaues i'm familiar with it)

Anywho, I work at a bookstore, and we'v been getting materials for giveaways and displays from WotC for a while now, and in our fantasy section (which is my domain) there's a small display with forgotten realms novels and some D&D stickers and whatnot (sadly, we don't stock the game materials for two reasons: owners afraid to attract ultraconservative attention and they just wouldnt sell well)

And by the way...if you think vi vs. emacs is a religious war, try 2ed vs. 3ed...guy I knew totally violently slammed 3 for being "simple" and overpowered and whatnot...too bad he didn't have half his facts straight /me shrugs I WILL say this though ,the 2e treasure and monster manuals (esp the demons and devils) were absolutely badass, and my group translated those into 3e as needed for extra kick

Obligatory Chick (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10550517)

here [chick.com]
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