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Apple Announces New iBooks

CmdrTaco posted about 10 years ago | from the still-want-the-30-inch-lcd dept.

Portables (Apple) 678

vasqzr writes "Apple has announced new iBooks. New features include G4 processor up to 1.33GHz, built-in wireless networking capability, a DVD-burning SuperDrive and up to 1.25GB of memory. G5 PowerBooks can only be closer...They also show a single processor 1.8GHz G5 PowerMac desktop for $1,499"

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Price Matching now? (5, Informative)

ack154 (591432) | about 10 years ago | (#10564644)

I'm not sure if I'm the only one to notice this now, but I haven't seen it before. While I was browsing the store, I saw an Apple Price Matching ad... Apple is now going to Price Match all resellers on hardware and software.

Price Match details and FAQ [apple.com]

I usually only see the resellers selling for $3 or $4 less on most products though, so not sure how much this will help sales. Where Apple seems to maybe get bitten on this is when resellers are bundling printers and other items with big hardware purchases.

ANONYMOUS COWARD ANNOUNCES APPLE = TEH iGHEY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564657)

Re:Price Matching now? (3, Informative)

McKinney83 (687821) | about 10 years ago | (#10564689)

Not for bundles.

From the price match faq:

"Bundled, used, refurbished, discontinued, demonstration or exhibit products, and products from other manufacturers are not eligible."

Re:Price Matching now? (4, Informative)

ack154 (591432) | about 10 years ago | (#10564847)

Right... but it's not a price thing for that. People are buying from resellers BECAUSE OF the bundles. Not because of a lower price with bundles. So there is usually little price difference, it's just that resellers offer more with the purchase than Apple does.

Re:Price Matching now? (5, Informative)

jxyama (821091) | about 10 years ago | (#10564692)

Price matching is usually for those who made the purchase right before an update like this. If you, for example, bought a stock 12" iBook three days ago for $1099 (now $999), Apple will match and give you $100 back or upgrade your machine to the newer one for free.

Re:Price Matching now? (4, Insightful)

FroBugg (24957) | about 10 years ago | (#10564875)

From the page linked by the earlier post: All competitive offers must be presented before you place your order with Apple.

So if you're like my brother and bought an iBook two weeks ago, you're screwed.

Re:Price Matching now? (2, Interesting)

jxyama (821091) | about 10 years ago | (#10564991)

my mistake. you (and the original post) are right.

but two weeks.. yeah, he may be out of luck. the unofficial cut off for apple's upgrade matching seems to be 10 business days, so it might be worth a try for him to ask.

Re:Price Matching now? (2, Interesting)

ack154 (591432) | about 10 years ago | (#10564926)

This is different. As the person above me said - this is like a Office Depot sort of price matching. Like... you find a lower price and we'll match it before you buy. The model line changes are different beasts altogether.

Apple hates it's resellers (1)

DAldredge (2353) | about 10 years ago | (#10565015)

All this is is apple trying to drive the rest of it's resellers out of business.

Do these run Ninnle Linux ? (1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | about 10 years ago | (#10564646)

Only Ninnle Linux is certified to fuck Roland Piquepaille mother until she reshits him a more proper way.

Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (5, Informative)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 10 years ago | (#10564649)

Apple has also introduced a new Xserve RAID [apple.com] , with storage up to 5.6TB with throughput up to 380MBps at a cost of just over US$2/GB. Apple also expanded the Xserve RAID compatibility certifications [apple.com] . See the press releases [apple.com] for more information.

Also, with the new 1.2GHz iBook with 256MB RAM, 30GB drive, and 802.11g wireless coming in at $899 (education), and the eMacs and iMac G5s coming in at $599 and $1099 (education), respectively, I fail to see how people continue to say Macs are too expensive. Even Walt Mossberg notes [wsj.com] "If you tried to match the specs of the base iMac G5 in a traditional Dell tower, you'd also pay more. A Dell Dimension 4600, with the best processor, Windows XP Pro, the best 17-inch flat-panel monitor, a CD recorder and the same graphics card, costs $7 more than the 17-inch iMac. And it's much bulkier and uglier."

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1)

Kogase (811902) | about 10 years ago | (#10564678)

Maybe because not everyone can get educational discounts?

So? (1, Redundant)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 10 years ago | (#10564686)

The iBook is only $100 more otherwise.

Re:So? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564774)

But the iBook doesn't have an equivalent to Dell's "best processor" or their "best 17" LCD monitor" - it just has a processor and a monitor. It's comparing apples to oranges.

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1, Insightful)

Rev Wally (814101) | about 10 years ago | (#10564760)

costs $7 more than the 17-inch iMac.

$7 is worth the increased upgradability, to me.

And it's much bulkier and uglier

Matter of oppinion.

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 years ago | (#10564761)

imac g5's cpu is equivalent to 3.4ghz ht p4? yeah? surely?

education prices don't really compare.. with pc's 999$ laptops come with bigger hd and more memory.

of course one can't really compare attributes such as "bulky" and "ugly" or "pretty" and "shiny". but then again some people think ferraris are relatively cheap all things considered.

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564842)

umm, yeah, it is actually.

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1)

gilesjuk (604902) | about 10 years ago | (#10564781)

Apple makes money on the hardware and so doesn't need to charge so much for the OS.

Plus they know they have to be competitive on pricing else they will never shift half as much as they do.

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1, Insightful)

DogDude (805747) | about 10 years ago | (#10564914)

First off, by using educational Apple prices vs. standard Dell retail, you're comparing, well, Apples and oranges

Secondly, from everything I've read, you in no way need to get the best Intel chip available to compare with Apple in terms of speed. Everything I've read says that you need Apple's top processor/memory packages to make OSX zippy.

Plus, I have no idea what you're looking at, but Dell's chapest PC is $469 with monitor [dell.com] , while Apple's seems to be $799 [apple.com] with that ridiculous monitor built in, plus with half as much RAM.

They're not even in the same ballpark!

Re:Also new Xserve RAID; pricing (1)

mschaef (31494) | about 10 years ago | (#10564957)

"1.2GHz iBook ... coming in at $899 (education), ... eMacs and iMac G5s coming in at $599 and $1099 (education), ... I fail to see how people continue to say Macs are too expensive"

You'd have much more credibility if you quoted normal pricing rather than educational. I know education is (was?) a big part of Apple's market, but the vast majority of folks are paying the normal prices.

sadness is i (2, Informative)

scribblez (745500) | about 10 years ago | (#10564662)

A month after my girlfriend gets hers.. darn.

dood, shes been gettin it for months... (0, Flamebait)

Mike Hock (249988) | about 10 years ago | (#10564706)

from everybody!!

And she loves the back door lovin'

Re:sadness is i (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564796)

That is very funny considering your sig. ;)

Price point (1, Troll)

DavidLeblond (267211) | about 10 years ago | (#10564669)

I'm sure by the time I hit submit there will be 500 posts saying the same thing but...

Priced too high! For the same price you can get an iMac that comes with a built in display for the same price!

And for shame Apple on crippling the FSB.

Ok so I'm a little miffed that I paid the same price for my 933MHz iBook that would have gotten me a 1.33GHz iBook with a Superdrive today...

Re:Price point (5, Funny)

Octos (68453) | about 10 years ago | (#10564729)

Boo hoo. For what I paid for my 486 I could have gotten a dual G5. What a rip-off!

Welcome to the world of technology where it's obsolete the moment you buy it.

I would still go with the PowerMac (2, Interesting)

koi88 (640490) | about 10 years ago | (#10564819)

I would still go with the PowerMac because it's upgradeable.

In one year, I will want a new video card. In 1 1/2 years a second hard disk, one year later a third.

Maybe, in a few years, processor upgrade cards become available.

My current Mac used to be a Powermac G4 running at 400Mhz, a 20 gig HD and a really slow ATI video card.

Now it's a Dual-1Ghz (Powerlogix), 1.5 GB RAM, 3 Harddisks and a ATI Radeon 8500 (I also need video-out for watching films o the TV). Considering I bought the system more than four years ago, it still runs new games pretty well.

Re:I would still go with the PowerMac (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | about 10 years ago | (#10564899)

Yeah, I'd probably go with the PowerMac too... an iMac with an nonupgradable 5200 just rubs me the wrong way.

Bus speed nitpick... (5, Insightful)

Power Everywhere (778645) | about 10 years ago | (#10564675)

These new G4 chips have support for 200 MHz busses. Why does Apple not let those of us still browsing back in the G4 section have that little bitmore performance? iBooks and PowerBooks should have 200 MHz busses all thw way across the board.

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564749)

I might be mistaken, but I don't think there is 200mhz laptop memory yet. The PB already have 166mhz, if the iBook got upgraded they would canibalize PB sales even more.

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (2, Insightful)

Power Everywhere (778645) | about 10 years ago | (#10564836)

You have a point there, though you missed that I said both iBooks and PowerBooks should get the bus boost across the board. Processor speeds would be enough to differntiate the two lines. I would settle, however, for 166 MHz iBook busses and 200 MHz PowerBook busses.

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564906)

You missed the first point, which was that there is no 200mhz laptop memory yet.

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564952)

yeah there is where have you been under a rock?

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564845)

Powerbooks and Ibooks cannot scale to that kind of FSB speed.

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10565002)

Uhh...

True or not, that is disturbingly hot.

Am I teh ghey?

Re:Bus speed nitpick... (5, Interesting)

prototypical (817329) | about 10 years ago | (#10564993)

Actually, unless I missed a press release somewhere, the 200mhz bus isn't a factor until Freescale rolls out the MPC7448 chip sometime in the near future. That's the one that's ridiculously low power (Freescale claims 10 watts at 1.8ghz), with pin-compatibility to the older parts and the upgraded bus. These are likely MPC7445 or MPC7447A parts, which are slower, hotter, and not manufactured at 90nm like the new offerings will be.

I expect to see the 7448 as an incremental update to the PowerBooks, until apple can stick the MPC8461D dual-cores in their place later next year. Apple is, as usual, playing their cards close to their chest, but anyone that's been paying attention to Freescale's moves knows that Crolles2 is online and rolling out parts from the production lines. They've got functional 90nm production, the last I heard, and are working on tooling for samples at 65nm in 2005.

Powerbook soon to follow (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564683)

I bet a revision of the PB line can't be far off: the 12" PB now looks way overpriced next to the 12" iBook.

Re:Powerbook soon to follow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564945)

Right. Having recently bought a 12" Powerbook for my wife, I certainly noticed this. Sigh. It's unavoidable, though. She loves it, and that's what matters.

1499 is too much (-1, Troll)

BoomerSooner (308737) | about 10 years ago | (#10564688)

I love apple but 1499 is insane for a single 1.8GHz G5.

I can build a comparable Athlon64 for about $500. I don't care how cool the case is it's too much. Hell for $1499 just buy an iMac instead, at least you get a 17" screen. Stupid overpricing.

(BTW I own 4 Macs)

Comparable? (2, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 10 years ago | (#10564750)

Very doubtful.

If you had said $1000, I might believe you. Apparently you've not seen a Power Mac G5 before, nor taken a good look at its specs.

Re:Comparable? (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | about 10 years ago | (#10564917)

Apparently you didn't notice the stripped down 1.8GHz single processor system. Since you cannot read here you go:

1.8GHz G5
512K Cache
600MHz Bus (should be 900MHz but it's slowed to degrade performance)
256MB RAM (Wow what is that like $17)
Geforce FX 5200 64MB ($51 on NewEgg)
80GB SATA Hard Drive
DVD-R (Notice no -RW, +R or +RW)
OS X 10.3 & Shiny Case

Like I said I can build a comparable Athlon64 for 1/3 the price.
Remember there is no monitor included.

Heh (1)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 10 years ago | (#10564959)

I'm well aware of the specs, thank you.

Apparently all you're interested in is just the raw numbers of the specifications. Sure; look at my other post here:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=126226&cid=105 64863 [slashdot.org]

And you're calling a home-built Athlon64 with the cheapest parts you can get "comparable" to a Power Mac G5?

To each his own, I guess...

Re:1499 is too much (2, Interesting)

jxyama (821091) | about 10 years ago | (#10564751)

>Hell for $1499 just buy an iMac instead, at least you get a 17" screen. Stupid overpricing.

i'm sure apple is happy either way, as long as you drop that $1500 on them... expandability is something PowerMac offers but iMac doesn't.

whenever apple updates the iMac, half the complaints are "but in a few years, I will have to throw away a perfectly functional monitor!!" here's apple's answer - if you want to keep the monitor, but this low end G5 PowerMac instead.

this is a perfect machine for small businesses, wanting to upgrade their older G4 PowerMacs for relatively cheap.

Re:1499 is too much (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564867)

umm. upi can open up a G5 iMac and add stuff to it very easily.

Re:1499 is too much (1)

jxyama (821091) | about 10 years ago | (#10564958)

"add" stuff to it? no. replace them? perhaps. "very easily"? highly doubtful, except for the memory. iMac mobo has the graphics card soldered on - can you replace that "easily"?

you can also open up a laptop and do the same thing by your logic?

Re:1499 is too much (1)

jm92956n (758515) | about 10 years ago | (#10564935)

It's important to note, too, that if one has no need for a modem, and is willing to forgo the super-drive in favor of a combo-drive, the price will be US $130 less.

Of course, after one adds the obligatory 512 MB memory stick, the price is back up to US $1500.

Re:1499 is too much (5, Insightful)

dema (103780) | about 10 years ago | (#10564766)

Could there be a more obvious troll? These posts get modded up far too often.

I love X. But it's just sooooo unfair for X to do this. Y does it so much better, I just can't believe it!

PS - I'm a huge fan of X, so what I'm saying MUST be true!

Re:1499 is too much (-1, Troll)

azmatsci (759463) | about 10 years ago | (#10564770)

Couldn't agree more. I will never own an Apple when they cost this much. The biggest apeal, other than the superior video and sound editiing, is more asthetic than functional. Get yourself a dual-boot AMD. Hell get yourself three dual boot AMD's for that price. If I wanted a pretty computer, would that make me unworthy of /.?

Re:1499 is too much (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564799)

you are a moron. check the specs.

Re:1499 is too much (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564789)

your nuts. you can build a machine with the same footprint as iMac for 500 bucks and a 17 inch wide screen flat panel?

Re:1499 is too much (1)

supabeast! (84658) | about 10 years ago | (#10564797)

I have to agree. If Apple is going to sell a single-CPU G5 box for $1499 with no monitor, how about selling it with the fastest G5 available instead of the slowest? Of course, then they wouldn't be able to sell many dual systems since even a lot of professionals really don't need the tiny speed boost one gets from using a dual CPU machine if a fast single CPU machine is available.

Re:1499 is too much (4, Informative)

mod_critical (699118) | about 10 years ago | (#10564929)

Actually, I have had experience with both single and dual processor G4 and G5 machines, and the speed boost is no small deal



I was skeptical at first too, given that on Windows machines I am used to an intensive application sucking up all of one processor and just letting the other take care of mouse clicks in the GUI. However, with Apple software, and actaully a lot of non-apple software I have found that it thread very, very well, and utilizes both processors to their maximum almost all of the time during an intensive process.



Just a FYI that I have noticed working with these in the past

Re:1499 is too much (2, Insightful)

mmkkbb (816035) | about 10 years ago | (#10564820)

I can build a comparable Athlon64 for about $500.

How long would it take (including the time spent shopping for parts), and how much would you expect to be paid to do it?

Make sure you spend a lot of money on the case, too.

Example (5, Interesting)

daveschroeder (516195) | about 10 years ago | (#10564863)

$150 - Reasonable Athlon64 processor
$100 - Motherboard
$100 - Radeon 9600-class video card
$50 - Case and power supply
$60 - 80GB SATA drive
$30 - 256MB RAM
-----
$490

So you're telling me that this machine is *comparable* to a Power Mac G5? If you don't care about quality assurance, support, dealing with a single vendor, survey-proven reliability, industrial design, or anything else relating to Apple hardware and specifically the Power Mac G5, great...build your own box. But if you CARE about any of those things, you're automatically talking about someone like Dell, and any Dell machine under $1000 is most certainly nowhere near in the same class of construction as a Power Mac G5.

And perhaps you missed Walt Mossberg's recent column (http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20040923.html) where he says:

"If you tried to match the specs of the base iMac G5 in a traditional Dell tower, you'd also pay more. A Dell Dimension 4600, with the best processor, Windows XP Pro, the best 17-inch flat-panel monitor, a CD recorder and the same graphics card, costs $7 more than the 17-inch iMac. And it's much bulkier and uglier."

Of course, you can change a million different options and everything is up for debate, but this idea that "Macs are so expensive" - especially in an institutional setting when TCO is considered - is very, very tired.

Re:1499 is too much (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564877)

and for that $500, will you offer me a warranty too? will you pay for shipping if it needs repaired? Will your box run osX? Will you pump your "profits" into making the best OS and some of best pro graphics apps on market today? Will you have a web site with a technical database? no? Nothing to see here Folks, just a Troll. Move along...

While it may be ... (4, Insightful)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 10 years ago | (#10564919)

...possible to build an El Cheapo $500 AMD/Intel boxen to match or even ouperform G5 Apple boxen, the trouble with such a box is still that IT WOULD NOT RUN OS.X. It would probably not be as stable as a Mac either.

Re:While it may be ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10565011)

not everyone is in love with OSX, i know that may come to a shock and totally disrupt your reality. but it is true.

Not News (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564691)

This post is retarded. The 1.33 GHz 14" iBooks have been out for a long time. Apple only redesigned the web site. I've had one for four months.

Re:Not News (4, Informative)

adam mcmaster (697132) | about 10 years ago | (#10564772)

They didn't just redesign the site, they're now offering different products - I ordered an iBook a few weeks ago and they have changed my order to reflect this change, which is nice since I'm now getting a faster processor and a bigger hard drive for the same price.

Re:Not News (1)

aallan (68633) | about 10 years ago | (#10564975)

I ordered an iBook a few weeks ago and they have changed my order to reflect this change, which is nice since I'm now getting a faster processor and a bigger hard drive for the same price.

Yup, they seem to be good about such things. The same thing happend to me when they introduced the new PowerBooks a week or so after I placed my order for the older model.

Al.

sofa king sick of naysayers (5, Funny)

spoonyfork (23307) | about 10 years ago | (#10564704)

Apple: going out of business since 1984.

Even though... (4, Insightful)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | about 10 years ago | (#10564710)

Even though I'm more of a PC guy, I have always liked Apple computers, since I don't know a LOT about them (I only fixed them now and then at a dutch apple reseller), I find them to be generally userfriendly and appealing to the eye (Except for the first I-Mac design).

From what I've seen, Apple is not really afraid to take risks (hence the IMac design, 2nd IMac design and the latest IMac, OSX). I've also been quite impressed by their network/server solutions, they do seem to have a lot of horsepower for their intended job.

Even though I'm not buying one (I'm more of a PC gamer/tech than an Apple one), I hope they will do well in the future :)

Re:Even though... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564804)

Welcome! I'm glad to see you are taking your first steps to get out of the closet. Just keep mumbling this stuff under your breath, and you'll be another flaming homo apple fanboy in no time!

No relation to ibook and g5 PB (4, Insightful)

rollthelosindice (635783) | about 10 years ago | (#10564720)

This is awesome news about the strength of the G4 iBook. Really continuing to be a strong product, and exceeding what many thought the limitations of the G4 in a notebook would be.

However, There really is no correlation between improved iBooks and the problems that apple face in getting the G5 to stay cool enough for use in the powerbook design. It's just wishful thinking.

Re:No relation to ibook and g5 PB (1)

DenDave (700621) | about 10 years ago | (#10564896)

well then maybe I will jsut buy one of these and run SuSE PPC or Yellow Dog ..

I was sorta half waiting for a g-5 but then I guess for a 12 incher it doesn't make that big a difference. Probably better off with a G4 and more ram, 256 is a little on the anemic side..

gmail invites (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564733)

Is it just me... (2, Interesting)

khrtt (701691) | about 10 years ago | (#10564736)

...or is this machine really seem like the thing from last year? Now I'm a PC person, never used a mac before for anything serious. So now I'm looking at these there specs and I see 1.3GHz clock, 133MHz FSB, 256MB RAM, 512 MB cache. New PC laptops with these specs were hot, what, at least 2 years ago. So what's the deal? Are the PowerPC cpus that much faster clock per clock? Is memory used that much more efficiently?

Re:Is it just me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564771)

Answer: yes

Re:Is it just me... (4, Insightful)

10Ghz (453478) | about 10 years ago | (#10564803)

These are "low-end" consumer laptops. Equivalent x86-machines would have something like 2GHz Celeron in them. And I assume I don't have to tell you how much Celerons suck? And what about the size of the laptop? Battery-life? I think iBook would beat that lowly Celeron-laptop quite easily in those things.

So, smaller laptop with longer battery-life, AND better CPU (Pentium-M is good, but those aren't usually in low-end machines)? Sounds like a good deal to me!

Re:Is it just me... (1, Interesting)

fimbulvetr (598306) | about 10 years ago | (#10564953)

No, you seem to be mixing facts up.
Celerons go in low end machines.
Pentium Ms go in mid and high end machines. The pentium M is significantly faster than a P4 or celeron. It also has much more battery life.

A Latitude D800/Wide Aspect/Centrino (starting at ~$1400) for $2000 would wipe the floor with this thing. Not to mention equivilant battery life. Just put some gentoo on to eliminate the winblowz problems.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 10 years ago | (#10564978)

Mobile Intel Celeron M is what's in the current low end energy conservative pc laptops.

except that even pc laptops seem to usually ship now with 512mb and 40gb+.

but in pc laptops there's so much more _choice_, if you want a luggable desktop then you can buy that. if you just want a small lappy you can get that. if you want something in the middle you can get that too. you want a 64bit desktop laptop? hell, you can have that too today.

though, what I'd like would be one of these [flybook.com] . i'm sure when apple does this the fans will tout apple for innovativity though..

Re:Is it just me... (0, Redundant)

jxyama (821091) | about 10 years ago | (#10564828)

well, for one, you are looking at an iBook. it's apple's consumer machine. you wouldn't expect Dell's budget models to be better than their enterprise/gamer rigs, do you? on the same note, you can ask why Dell's still selling celeron. these aren't top of the line machines for apple.

you should look at these in the context of other Macs. these are indeed upgrades.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

killbill! (154539) | about 10 years ago | (#10564839)

Since you're unlikely to use your iBook to play resource-intensive games or do any serious 3D rendering anyway, what use would you have for it?

Sustainable heat (it's called a LAPtop FFS!), massive battery life and very low weight matter much more to me, as far as laptops are concerned. Areas in which the iBook truly shines.

That said I would have loved a RAM and HD bump, 256MB is indeed a tad low for OSX.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 10 years ago | (#10564853)

Mac users have been complaining about the 256MB stock memory for a while now, OS X is supposedly a memory hog that performs noticably better with 512MB. I thought there should be ways to turn off unneeded services though.

Re:Is it just me... (2, Interesting)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564984)

services are not what is hogging memory, it is the fact that OS X memory management focuses on minimizing swapping.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

NecoX (750371) | about 10 years ago | (#10564910)

Come here... Im going to tell you a little secret about us macusers... closer... closer... Usability first (that is, run OSX and asorted apps in a timely fashion), e-penis-extension somewhere down the line. And for those who can't understand me, people buy Macs to use OSX to create/work with, not sit on and crunch dnetc (altho it kicks ass at that too) or play CS:S or HL2 or D3. Or.

Re:Is it just me... (2, Interesting)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564920)

umm, yes. windows has this thing with trying NOT to use memory..how does that benefit anything? unused memory is just unused.

OS X and many Unix type OSs USE memory as much as possible to minimize swapping.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

EulerX07 (314098) | about 10 years ago | (#10564971)

A comparable spec PC can probably be built for less then 700$US. Just a quick look at some current prices got me 115$CAN for an Asus FX5200 card, and 207$CAN for an Athlon 64 3000+.

Some people always see more expensive as being better no matter what you'll say. Kinda like picking an Intel CPU over an AMD CPU.

P.S: If we start talking benchmarks, let's use Doom 3, not Photoshop.

Re:Is it just me... (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 10 years ago | (#10564985)

Well, this IS a low end box, meant to compete with stuff like this [averatec.com] (1666.67MHz), 512KB cache, 266MHz (doubled, though) FSB and stuff like the 2.3GHz 128KB cache craptops that Dell is pushing out.

Also, the PPC does clock a LOT better than stuff like the Celery, or even the P4. Compare to something like the Pentium M, which isn't a budget processor, or the 512KB cache Celeron M.

Old News (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564739)

Apple news is old news, who cares what they did after 1984? I'm waiting to hear the new powerhouses that Tandy is going to come out with. I hear they put math co-processors in their machines too.

2 speed bumps in 9 moths (2, Interesting)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | about 10 years ago | (#10564755)

GAH...and AE built in!!! well, I bought my iBook 2 moths before the 1 GHz model was released, I was not mad then, can't get made now since it is almost a year since I bought my machine.

only the 14" ibook is g4 1.33ghz (1)

Numeric (22250) | about 10 years ago | (#10564756)

12" is 1.2ghz

http://www.apple.com/ibook/specs.html

No "Combo Drive", thanks. (3, Insightful)

nijk (781345) | about 10 years ago | (#10564758)

Even on the cheapest new iBook, they don't give me an option to choose a cheaper drive than the CD-burning Combo Drive. What if I fucking don't want to burn CDs on my laptop and just want a lower pricetag?

That said, these new iBooks look beautiful. :^)

Re:No "Combo Drive", thanks. (1)

generic-man (33649) | about 10 years ago | (#10564879)

Have you priced out combo drives recently? The difference at retail between a DVD-ROM and DVD-ROM/CD-RW is negligible. I'm sure Apple gets even lower pricing, making the difference insignificant compared with the benefit of saying "you can burn CDs."

That said, I have a Powerbook 12" with a combo drive. I've burned maybe one CD on it since I got it.

Re:No "Combo Drive", thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564936)

Edu pricing has a CD-ROM version of the 12" for $899.00. And Apple does't really check/enforce that you are a student. At least not in my experience (though I am a student, I have never been asked to verify by showing a transcript or anything).

The $899.00 version is not shown at all though if you do not go in through the edu store.

apple sucks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564775)

apple sucks

yet more confusion between ibook and powerbook (3, Interesting)

JimBobJoe (2758) | about 10 years ago | (#10564778)

I'm actually helping a close friend purchase a new 12" apple laptop...we had more or less settled on the powerbook (she's a new college student studying film, the thinking being that the powerbook's more robust bus would help with video editing, if she decided to do that) but now I wonder again...what should one know in comparing the ibook to the powerbook, now that the ibook has the new speed increases?

Re:yet more confusion between ibook and powerbook (0)

germ!nation (764234) | about 10 years ago | (#10564835)

as far as i'm aware (i'm sure someone will correct me if i am wrong) the G4 iBook isn't the same G4 chip as the powerbook. The iBook has a G3 chip with altivec whereas the powerbook runs the same G4 processor as the powerpcs so there is a big real-world performance difference

Re:yet more confusion between ibook and powerbook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564881)

You're completely wrong. In the last revision rounds, both the iBook and the Powerbook used the Motorola 7447a [everymac.com] .

Re:yet more confusion between ibook and powerbook (3, Insightful)

BenNovack (724451) | about 10 years ago | (#10564855)

You basically *need* a PowerBook for video work. The video-card and bus difference is too big to contemplate using an iBook, even this updated one, for video editing. Go with the PowerBook.

Re:yet more confusion between ibook and powerbook (4, Informative)

pkhuong (686673) | about 10 years ago | (#10564928)

Lighter, more professional looking*, better FSB, possibility to go and haggle for a lower price due to the new ibook being so close in perf?
More built-ins: 802.11g, BT, larger HD. More video RAM, which i guess is more important with Quartz. Better case (aluminium > plastic :). Oh, and the PB is slightly smaller in every dimension. Note that i only made the comparison for the 12.1" models, some points may not apply on larger ones.

*That was actually important for my Corpo sister. She can't go on a board meeting with a shiny, cutesy iBook.

great (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564780)

Another apple love fest on ./

yawn.

[ just buy a mac :-) ]

Bah, typical! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10564838)

And here's me that splashed out little more than a month ago on a shiny new 14" 1GHz iBook, as well as the seperate Airport Extreme card. Now as far as I can tell the cards are built in, the machines are faster and yet they're still the same price as they were before.

Thanks for taking my money rather than warning me to wait another month or two, Mr Reseller.

Also Xserve RAID (3, Interesting)

sometwo (53041) | about 10 years ago | (#10564849)

Apple also updated its Xserve RAID system, which starts at $5999, "to deliver a massive 5.6 terabytes (TB) of storage capacity at the industry's most aggressive price for storage of just over $2 per GB. Apple has also expanded support for heterogeneous environments with certification from Cisco and SUSE Linux and optimized the system to work with its Xsan Storage Area Network file system."

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/sep/19raid.ht ml [apple.com]

Trackpoint anyone? Or maybe Slower processor? (2, Interesting)

zepi (784314) | about 10 years ago | (#10564861)

I just wonder what happened to battery life. I wouldn't sacrifice a minute of battery life for few hudred MHz's... Hopefully they were able to lower operation voltage of the processor. Well, maybe it's still ok. If Apple would add IBM style trackpoint pointing devices to their laptops I wouldn't even have to consider buying a PC laptop... They could leave the touchpad attached so it would please everyone. I'd easily pay 20$ or more for trackpoint...

Still mirrored video (4, Insightful)

hatless (8275) | about 10 years ago | (#10564894)

Nowadays all but the absolute lowest-end PC laptops have dual-headed display support with separate "screens" on the built-in display and the video out port. It's in the $1000 Compaq/HPs, the eMachines and Medions and so on. About the only major-brand PC laptop you can now buy withour dual-head support is Dell's 1100-series Celeron laptop.

Apple still cripples the iBook with mirrored-only video. No desktop spanning. The Radeon chipsets they use do support it, but Apple reserves that feature for the Powerbooks.

Should $1800 really be the cost of entry for a dual-head capable laptop in 2004? And if Apple really wants to make Bluetooth ubiquitous it's probably time to make it standard equipment on every machine like they did with USB and 1394.

Re:Still mirrored video (1)

DavidLeblond (267211) | about 10 years ago | (#10564988)

If you really want an iBook to span monitors its really really not that hard to use google and hack it.

Re:Still mirrored video (4, Informative)

BMonger (68213) | about 10 years ago | (#10564999)

Unless you do this:

http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html

This works well, is incredibly easy to do, and can be reverted at any time.

Oh Boy! (1)

blueZhift (652272) | about 10 years ago | (#10564921)

The built in wireless is definitely a plus for me. Then I could code in the living room while watching Adult Swim! Alas, the budget just won't allow it right now... Eventually I'll probably pick one of these up simply because I'm sick of Windows but I don't really want to wrestle with Linux on a laptop. If Apple could get the prices down to be a bit more competitive with Windows laptop pricing they might be able to pick up even more disaffected Windows users like myself. This isn't a complaint, just speculation. Hey! How about a laptop trade in program? Bring in your old laptop and get $100 off a new iBook. Hmmm....

Knoppix-like Linux for iBook? (5, Interesting)

timothy (36799) | about 10 years ago | (#10564946)

I like my iBook's hardware; it's survived enough abuse over the past 3 (or is it 4?) years to make replacing the expensive battery earlier this year worth it, rather than the sort of reluctant decision that it would be if I ever decided to replace the battery in my Toshiba, in which the PCMCIA slots have grown flaky ... and Yes, I know my iBook doesn't even have PCMCIA slots to *go* flaky ;)

When I travel, I prefer the iBook because it's small/light, has a better keyboard than most laptops (though nothing like an IBM's, sadly), and gets good battery life.

However, when I'm near an outlet at least, I prefer my Toshiba laptop or other intel-type machine just because I like the gigantic rafts of software that come with a typical Linux distro, I like auto-raise windows (is there any way to do this with OS X?) and virtual desktops (again -- maybe they exist for OS X, but I don't see built-in to the OS ...), and I happen to like blackbox/fluxbox, WindowMaker, Gnome and KDE a lot, and I use all of them as my mood dictates. (Others, too.) OS X is nice, and familiarity is nice, but since there's change going on in different directions aesthetically and in supposedly well-reasoned user-interface decisions, I like to switch around and see what's up in the free-GUI world.

Also, though I understand it to be a nice application, I don't use iTunes (though I have used it) and don't at this date own an iPod (though I might one day). I am not a big fan of the iTunes interface -- many people like it, and I'll call it better than most interfaces but just not my thing. When I pop in a CD, it used to annoy me that iTunes would load rather than a simpler CD player app. So I'm perhaps not the typical OS X users :)

So:

Is there any current live Linux CD that will a) work spiffily - wireless, sound, sleep, keyboard controls for brightness and sound - on all current macs, or even all G3/G4 current macs? and b) serve as an easy installer, the way Knoppix or Mepis (or a bunch of others) will on x86?

Something that comes with OpenOffice (with good fonts), AbiWord, The GIMP, XMMS, mplayer / vlc / firefox / gaim / several window managers would be good. Yes, I know some if not all of these are available for OS X, but only piecemeal afaik.

I'm not knocking OS X: it's a very nice OS. I like it. However, I'd rather have a Linux desktop in general (I like the underlying software as well as the application software to be Free, for one thing, and for another thing, there's no accounting for taste), and I'm lazy. I've tried -- last year sometime -- the Gentoo PPC live CD, which was slow and IMO buggy on my iBook, and took googling just to find out how to reach X. There's been a PPC knoppix version, but I don't see any versions newer than July 2003. (Which might be OK, I have not yet tried that on my iBook.)

Since the iBook hardware (and Apple hardware in general) is pretty stable (not to say "limited" :)), I'd think it would be easier to find a good Live CD-installer than it is, esp. considering how very well Mepis/Knoppix work.

timothy

p.s. Really, I've read the flames on this topic before, so you can just say "FLAME" if you want; I'll get your meaning, and you'll save your wrists. I like OS X and do not demand that Live CD-Installers exist, but I am hopeful and curious.

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