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NEC Strikes Back With SX-8 Supercomputer

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the my-honor-student-can-beat-up-your-dad dept.

IBM 192

News for nerds writes "It was just 3 weeks ago that we learned IBM's BlueGene/L with 36.01 TFlops edged out NEC's Earth Simulator, but today NEC announces a new SX-8 supercomputer with a peak processing performance of 65 TFlops (press release). It may be available in the U.S. as Cray's OEM like SX-6."

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Shallow Minds (5, Funny)

stecoop (759508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577529)

65 trillion calculations per second and all I ponder is if NEC would mind using my user id while running seti@home.

Re:Shallow Minds (1)

over_exposed (623791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577583)

I think the sheer number of WUs finished/fetched by this thing alone would overload Berkley's system...

Re:Shallow Minds (2, Funny)

CriX (628429) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577765)

"The monthly rental price of the SX-8 starts from approximately 1,170,000 yen, and shipment will commence in December 2004."

Have you been a good little nerd? :-)

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577532)

First Post!

Packard Bell (3, Funny)

lateralus_1024 (583730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577536)

Tom's Hardware stated the the guts are Packard Bell, and it comes with a WinModem. That sucks.

FFFFPPPPp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577538)

I got your teraflop right here nerd.

Yes, but... (4, Funny)

extagboy (60672) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577568)

...can it figure out the question to the answer 42?

Re:Yes, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577698)

What ... is ... six ... times ... nine?

Re:Yes, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577727)

yeah, but can the computer figure it out.

JESUS people..... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578274)

Do any of you dumbass mods even get the joke???

This is as on-topic as it gets.

It's like (4, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577569)

This is like an arms race of yesteryear. The Germans and the Brits with their battleships, the Americans and Soviets with there nukes, the Yankees and Red Sox with payroll. Except this race is way cooler and will likely pay off in a much more productive way.

Re:It's like (4, Insightful)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577764)

Except this race is way cooler and will likely pay off in a much more productive way.

Yes because this sort of computing power holds no attraction to the military for weapon modeling purposes or to the untouchables running echelon type programs.

Re:It's like (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577880)

And unlike the Yankees and Red Sox there's actual a question over who will win.

Re:It's like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578132)

I tend to think it's a contest of penis size more than anything else. Why else did IBM shoot for 36.01 flops with BlueGene? It beats Earth Simulator by a negligble 0.15 flops. But when the ladies come a'lookin', that IBM engineer can say he has the biggest one around.

Re:It's like (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578263)

Who do you thinks buys these systems first?

Obligatory... (1, Offtopic)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577571)

In Soviet Russia, a beowulf cluster of SX-8 supercomputer overlords welcome me!

Shall we get them out of the way now? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577575)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

Does it run Linux

It's official: IBM BlueGene/L is dead

Re:Shall we get them out of the way now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578057)


yeah but can it run longhorn ?

Heh. (-1, Redundant)

methangel (191461) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577576)

I like how this speed race keeps flip-"flopping"

I know I'm gonna get Flamed, (0)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577664)

or modded troll, or both. But....

I like how this speed race keeps flip-"flopping"

I didn't know John Kerry liked to race

In other news.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577578)

Bruckhimer movies will still suck.

Damn.... (5, Funny)

identity0 (77976) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577589)

Note that 'SX-8' pronounced 'Sex-ay' :-)

Re:Damn.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577994)

and let me guess... a sub model will be SX-869???

Re:Damn.... (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578202)

Now it's only a matter of time before we see MSN screen-names along the lines of "SX-8 g33k GurL"

Real-world applications? (1, Funny)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577594)

It's very impressive and all, but how is this going to benefit me down the line? It's not like they're affordable to small/medium businesses like the Cray [cray.com] or HP's highly valued Alpha DEC workstations [compaq.com] .

We are stiffling progress at the lower level by pricing these systems well beyond the reach of the average researcher or multi-national oil conglomerate.

Why is this?

Re:Real-world applications? (2, Insightful)

jstave (734089) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577623)

It's very impressive and all, but how is this going to benefit me down the line? It's not like they're affordable to small/medium businesses like the Cray or HP's highly valued Alpha DEC workstations.
Are you kidding? A couple years from now you'll be seeing these things, shrink wrapped, on the shelves at Best Buy.

Re:Real-world applications? (1)

crimson30 (172250) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577715)

That's a dead alpha link (figures). Perhaps you meant this one [hp.com] ?

No benefits to you? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578015)

In a few years, when someone gets get cancer, the medicine that cures him/her might just have been developed on this very machine.

Protein folding research is vital in cancer research, and highly computationally intensive too.

Re:Real-world applications? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578110)

Nice troll dumbass. I guess you didn't read the article? What prices well beyond the reach of the average researcher?

It's 1,170,000 yen per month. Which is what? ... $10k/mo in US dollars? That's pretty cheap as far as research work goes.

Re:Real-world applications? (4, Interesting)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578120)

At a rental of only $17,000/month, it's far more affordable than a Cray for small quick projects.

Highly valued Alphas? (0)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578158)

Oh, I wish they were, but sadly HP seems to have axed anything with Alpha. I wish Intel would
take a good look in the mirror and buy the Alpha
outright (FUD alert: if AMD does it first you are
history guys...).

Given the beautiful clean design I wonder if a really die-shrinked version of Alpha would make a nice PDA processor...

Anyone out there have any clues?
(sorry, but I just watched Bob Colwell's (ex intel chief architect) lecture to Stanford, so I'm in processor architecture mode right now...

The answer "Lieutenant" is that this stuff benefits you because the problems it tackles are
not addressable by distributed computing apps like seti@home. This sort of iron deals with problems where each point you are fiddling with (on a lattice) affects everything adjacent, so communications with other processors has to happen
a lot. Scratch the idea of doing that over the
snoozi-net...

But even for Beowolf, you have to consider the running cost (which when you compute it isn't small beer - $20-$30/month per node given the power use. Multiply that by 256 and you could end
up being the first individual to file for Chapter
{whatever it is in the states}).

***** QUICK NOTE TO THE SLASHCODE AUTHOR ****
In text mode, &lt and &gt should not get dumped
in text mode. Yours, Angry Meta programmer
****** END RANT *****

These days Cray isn't the Cray of old, and you could perhaps roll your own Cray Clone. It isn't like you get to have the cachet of ECL logic processors with *seats* around them, but what the heck..

Beowolf class machines fill in some of the need for true crunch mode machines, but you can never have enough power, so watch Internet 2, and grid computing issues.

Someone will *still* complain even if you turned the whole goddammn universe into their personal computer. It's that difficult. Some problems are just too horrid, and some Professors just too impatient.

I don't expect Quantum computing devices to bail me out in a big hurry, but then again I might be
wrong. (Real uncertain about this...).

Where are the .... (-1, Offtopic)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577595)

Doom 3 benchmarks???? Will I have to upgrade it to run HL2...

Two words... (-1, Redundant)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577613)

'Imagine' and 'Beowulf'

Re:Two words... (3, Funny)

bobgoatcheese (455695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577777)

No Grendel! Stop attacking my village! I think you forgot "cluster."

Re:Two words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577979)

They should add another moderation option: "-1, Not funny any more" for posts like this.

Re:Two words... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578138)

"Imagine" and "Youareadumbass"

Usage (2, Funny)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577618)

I was about to say "With a computer this powerful, the world probably only needs 4 of these", but history tells me otherwise :)

Re:Usage (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577852)

They expect to sell 700 during its "active lifetime", meaning until sx-9 will be out.
Not all big versions, but even a 4 node one would have been HIGH in the top500 a few years ago...

skynet ~$ (-1, Offtopic)

21chrisp (757902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577620)

Hello Skynet, nice to meet you.

Runs Linux? (3, Interesting)

mukund (163654) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577648)

It seems like it runs Linux as they are claiming that it will use the Global File System [redhat.com] for clustered FS operations.. unless their Global File System is different.

Re:Runs Linux? (4, Informative)

mukund (163654) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577745)

In reply to my own post..

The Cray SX-6 System runs the UNIX-based SUPER-UX operating system. [cray.com]

Sorry about that. Maybe they ported GFS.. dunno.

Re:Runs Linux? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577825)

Just let us know when you want us to join in this conversation, thanks.

65 TFlop is only an estimate (5, Insightful)

foobar3149 (628047) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577658)

The 65 TFlop for the SX-8 is only an estimate while the 36 TFlop for BlueGene/L was real performance. So it is not certain that SX-8 will be faster than Blue Gene/L

Re:65 TFlop is only an estimate (1, Insightful)

Too Much Noise (755847) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577788)

You're trying to say they could have overestimated the performance by almost 100%? Coming from the people that actually built what was until recently the fastest supercomputer, that's extremely doubtful.

Also, the performance per-CPU and per-node is most likely real data, as they say the SX-8 would ship in December.

Re:65 TFlop is only an estimate (3, Informative)

foobar3149 (628047) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578043)

I just wanted to point out that is not an apples to apples comparison, and that such a comparison is not fair to either machine. For that matter, the number for the IBM machine is only a subset of BlueGene/L so then why not use the 360 TFlop projected performance of BlueGene/L as the comparison point?

Re:65 TFlop is only an estimate (4, Informative)

Troy Baer (1395) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578307)

You're trying to say they could have overestimated the performance by almost 100%?

No, the original poster was saying that the 65TF number from NEC is theoretical peak performance based on the maximum possible number of FP operations per clock cycle (which can never happen in real code, due to pesky little things like having to access memory), while the ~35TF number for the Blue Gene/L prototype is measured performance on an actual piece of code called the Parallel Linpack benchmark. It's not unusual for systems to perform as low as 50% of peak on Parallel Linpack, although 70-90% is more typical on systems with decent memory bandwidth (which the SX8 presumably has).

(Note that I'm deliberately sidestepping the debate over whether Parallel Linpack bears any resemblence to reality.)

Ships with Halo 2! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577688)

Drool.. 1337 Pwn4g3

Future news... (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577702)

Next up: NEC announces a name change to "Empire"

Please revise headlines to read "Empire Strikes Back With SX-8 Supercomputer"

Alternate headline: "Outsourcing to Japan Raises unemployment concerns for C3PO & R2D2"

Re:Future news... (1)

enigmals1 (667526) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578264)

Nice. ;)

i wonder (0, Offtopic)

patrick.whitlock (708318) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577723)

what kind of framerates will it make doom 3 hit

Fast enough that you hit reality (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578058)

Do you really wish to move Doom from a game to Reality?

In the interest of perpetuating rumors (1)

hsmith (818216) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577729)

@ Virginia Tech it is rumored the US Gov't is gobbling(harhar) up Apple XServers in hopes to build the "Ultimate" Super computer...

But then again these are just rumors as Srinidhi Varadarajan is being *highly* recruited

Re:In the interest of perpetuating rumors (2, Funny)

Mekabyte (678689) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578044)

So is that why he's never there to teach my Networking class anymore?

Re:In the interest of perpetuating rumors (1)

anzha (138288) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578075)

Really? What exactly is the state of the X System at VTech? Last I heard is that they'd disassembled the original and were not yet in production with the replacement. It's not even on the Top500 anymore. Rumors here are that VTech bit off more than they could chew...

Re:In the interest of perpetuating rumors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578119)

Bullshit. They are using Apple XServe's, so setting up the world's fastest super computer is simply a matter of unpacking the boxes, plugging them in and then running the benchmark. These are not Linux boxes that need 4 months of configuration work editing text files before they will even boot.

Re:In the interest of perpetuating rumors (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578193)

Which rumors? System X is back up and running with 2.3 GHz chips. And bring any new surprise contenders/drop outs should place 6th, next go around.

obligatory (0, Offtopic)

fawlty154 (814393) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577732)

/me makes some random obligatory comment about a beowulf cluster...

What about cost? (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577755)

Anyone know what the price tag is on a computer like this?

Not that I'm in the market, but I'm just curious if this has any significant benefits over simply buying two supercomputers at half the speed...

Re:What about cost? (5, Funny)

tokenhillbilly (311564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577963)

Actually, the computer price is quite reasonable. It's the nuclear power plant to supply the 21 million jigawatts required to run it and its cooling system that will set you back big bucks.

Re:What about cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578069)

Actually, the computer price is quite reasonable. It's the nuclear power plant to supply the 21 million jigawatts required to run it and its cooling system that will set you back big bucks

No need for that. It's not AMD based.

Re:What about cost? (1)

dogmatixpsych (786818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578126)

It will most likely be very expensive. The Earth Simulator was nearly $300 million dollars and that's just for the machine! I don't understand why people keep spending that much money when they could build a G5 cluster with the same overall speed for easily 1/10th the cost.

I do understand that there are some things that the NEC computers are better at simulating and processing than a G5 cluster like the one at Virginia Tech, but for overall price/performance ratio these NEC computers cannot come close to matching Apple's G5 clusters.

Re:What about cost? (1)

amorsen (7485) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578368)

I do understand that there are some things that the NEC computers are better at simulating and processing than a G5 cluster like the one at Virginia Tech, but for overall price/performance ratio these NEC computers cannot come close to matching Apple's G5 clusters.

If you only care about price/performance, then go with a non-clustered PC. Nothing will beat that. (Ok for certain codes the non-clustered G5 could possibly beat it, but that's basically a PC anyway.)

beowulf (1)

hejog (816106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577756)

imagine a beowulf cluster... oh wait.

NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (2, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577767)

IBM has already proved that American technology is, at least, as good as Japanese technology despite all the moans and groans about how we have fallen behind Japan upon the introduction of the Earth Simulator. The good news is that the West (which includes the USA and Japan) have a lock on the most advanced computing technologies.

Right now, this SX-8 announcement is just a publicity stunt to generate some "shock and awe" in the small supercomputing community of national and commercial research labs.

Perhaps, the management of NEC should consider generating some "shock and awe" among the greater engineering community. I suggest that NEC donate computing time on an SX-8 to all the startups designing spaceships (e.g. SpaceShipOne). These startups are short on cash and cannot afford the kind of supercomputer that is needed for modeling the spaceships. Free time on a supercomputer would greatly assist these startups and would generate considerable shock and awe among engineers who daydream about what the predecessor of the M-5 computer could have been.

Apparently, we are gradually building all the technologies needed to accomplish intergalactic space travel. The short list is matter-antimatter energy (which is undergoing top secret research in the American government) and high-performance computers (like the SX-8, which will model the spacecraft and possibly serve as the on-board computer).

"Space...the final frontier. These are the voyages of the startship ..."

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (3, Interesting)

thesilverbail (593897) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577810)

The good news is that the West (which includes the USA and Japan) have a lock on the most advanced computing technologies.

And why is this good news exactly?

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577945)

The Chinese use supercomputing technology to modernize their nuclear weaponry. The typical Chinese bigot or Korean bigot believes that the Chinese should have the same technology that the Americans have. These bigots believe that Chinese society is equivalent to American society and, hence, is entitled to the same level of technology -- despite the fact that hordes of Chinese and Indians fight with tooth and nail to stay in the USA.

Korean and Chinese bigots act and think in a way that is different from Westerners.

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577949)

This is good news to all those who aspire to emigrate to the "West" from the third world via university admissions (you know, the F1, H1, GC route).

BTW, happy "Apping".

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578407)

And why is this good news exactly?

Obviously you never played through the expansion pack for Battlezone. Let the Chinese get into space and the next thing you know they'll be building cloaked, super-fast hover tanks that kick the crap out of the American units you thought were so powerful in the original game.

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577958)

"we are gradually building all the technologies needed to accomplish intergalactic space travel"

Maybe in the same sense that cavemen were gradually building Internet2 every time they found a crystal of SiO2 in their navels.

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (1)

edge_crumbler (709889) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578050)

NEC say in the press release that these super computers start at ~$10,000 a month rental. Maybe that's the base line model but isn't $10,000 a month peanuts for a serious spaceship business?

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578289)

If you have everything prepared, then you get the supercomputer at the end to do your rendering, and in that way, it is cheap.

Its just idle time.

Do you have your software written to actually run on it correctly?
Do the people who analyse the results work for peanuts?
Have you tested it?
"Just one more revision" is another 10k.

Imagine, you get some time on a supercomputer donated to you.

You sit yourself down at the console, what do you do?

Well, after writing the obvious pi to 1e999 dp, or for a=0 to 1000000000000000000000 do print "whoa!"

How would you use your time?

do they run a terminal environment - the worlds fastest computer interactively scrolling messages to 100s of users, and only throttling up when someone stops playing and gets on with some serious work?

I also wonder, do SuperComputers run screensavers?

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (1)

tsumocat (808636) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578236)

Perhaps, the management of NEC should consider generating some "shock and awe" by having Oprah give away free SX-8.

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578240)

the West (which includes the USA and Japan)

WHAT?

How is Japan part of "the West"?

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578323)

Let me help you out, Chinese bigot. The Japanese committed to Westernization back in 1881 and even changed the start of the New Year to coincide with the date of the New Year in the West. By contrast, the Chinese continue to cling to Lunar New Year.

Japan is a modern democracy with civil rights. Citizenship in Japan is not based on race or blood. Ditto for the USA. Oriental Japanese who emigrate to the USA are viewed, by Japanese citizens, as foreigners. Oriental Chinese who emigrate to the USA are viewed, by Chinese citizens, as part of the extended Chinese motherland.

The Japanese have a normal ratio of male babies to female babies. That ratio is 1.05. Ditto for the USA. The Chinese, the Koreans, and the Indians (the 3 barbaric bigots of Asia) have a ratio of 1.20. Chinese are barbaric animals and think like them, aborting female fetuses like there is no tomorrow. So, yes, Japan is a Western nation.

Japan is Part of "The West" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578402)

Let me help you out, Chinese bigot. The Japanese committed to Westernization back in 1881 and even changed the start of the New Year to coincide with the date of the New Year in the West. By contrast, the Chinese continue to cling to Lunar New Year.

Japan is a modern democracy with civil rights. Citizenship in Japan is not based on race or blood. Ditto for the USA. Oriental Japanese who emigrate to the USA are viewed, by Japanese citizens, as foreigners. Oriental Chinese who emigrate to the USA are viewed, by Chinese citizens, as part of the extended Chinese motherland.

The Japanese have a normal ratio of male babies to female babies. That ratio is 1.05. Ditto for the USA. The Chinese, the Koreans, and the Indians (the 3 barbaric bigots of Asia) have a ratio of 1.20.

Chinese are barbaric animals and think like them, aborting female fetuses like there is no tomorrow.

So, yes, Japan is a Western nation.

Re:NEC SX-8: Predecessor of M-5 (1)

Exos (241632) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578382)


Here's your M5 [m5industries.com] for you, right here [m5industries.com] .

Entertainment science at it's finest.

In Other News (1)

marktaw.com (816752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577772)

In other news, scientists create a robot that could replace half of my friends [we-make-mo...ot-art.com] .

Re:In Other News (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578185)

At 65 teraflops, this computer could replace ALL of your friends. Hell, my Gameboy could do it.

Re:In Other News (1)

marktaw.com (816752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578325)

Maybe, but one well-placed beer could likely ruin just about an supercomputer. The Bar Bot [we-make-mo...ot-art.com] lives for it. I have some intelligent friends, terraflops alone a friend does not make. Beer, on the other hand, is the universal ingredient in all meaningful relationships.

Siemens is far ahead (0, Offtopic)

fionbio (799217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577778)

The have SX-56 [pocketpccentral.net] which is probably 7 times more powerful but unfortunatelly runs Windows CE... ;-(

One Liners (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10577793)

1) I won't go out on a limb but I'll stick my NEC out for this supercomputer.

2) SX-8? Is that the next in line to SSX Tricky?

3) As you can see, I am resolute on this war on Tera...and my opponent is clearly a Tera-flopping machine.

4) Please don't write articles with "$COMPANY Strikes Back" as its title. It begs "Return of the $RIVAL_COMPANY" as a follow-up.

Re:One Liners (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578088)

I'd mod you up, but there is no "+1, painfully bad jokes."

BGL will be back on top in short order (5, Informative)

tubbtubb (781286) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577815)


Remember that the 36.01 TF figure for BlueGene/L was only using 8 racks.
The final BG/L will use 64 Racks.
Also, the SX-8 figure is only an estimation.

Re:BGL will be back on top in short order (2, Funny)

The Lost Supertone (754279) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577901)

8 racks... brings new meaning to "look at that rack!"

Re:BGL will be back on top in short order (2, Interesting)

HavokDevNull (99801) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577978)

You forgot to mention IBM is developing for the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (same system). Which is expected to be delivered in early 2005 and will have an estimated peak performance of 360 teraflops, according to IBM.

Now that slams NEC to the ground...

360 Teraflops (drool)

Re:BGL will be back on top in short order (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578118)

Now that slams NEC to the ground...

today, yes. But it was 3 years ago that ES came out. Do you think that NEC was sitting around doing nothing? I suspect that NEC will be out with much larger machines than what they have today. It will be interesting to see who beats 1000 TF (what size is that?)

Re:BGL will be back on top in short order (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578326)

Though you made a small mistake, the number you read about in the top 500 list is SUSTAINED performance, not peak performance(which is the number you listed). This is determined through running the Linpack benchmark [wikipedia.org] , which solves a system of linear equations. It remains to be seen whether or not the supercomputer IBM is building will be able to sustain anywhere near 360 teraflops, so I would stop salivating at this point......

Comp Power in R2 units (-1, Offtopic)

DarthStrydre (685032) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577836)

How many of these would it take to equal the processing power in an R2 astromech? I want to make a hyperspace jump NOW dammit!

And no, I do not want to starburst - it is way too random - you never know where you are going to revert to realspace. Plus I do not have a Leviathan.

Well, for that matter, I do not have a hyperdrive unit either, so the computations would be for naught.

I'd stick with IBM (0)

phoxix (161744) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577853)

Why?

Because IBM's Blue Gene/L was/is made with off the shelf parts based on the POWER arch. Meaning it becomes much more efficient dollar wise than the custom made stuff NEC keeps pumping out.

(on a side note: Where does Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory get all that money to keep buying the latest and greatest super computer ?!)

Sunny Dubey

PS: Two of the Blue Gene/L folks will be presenting at my LUG [nylug.org] tonite. I wonder if they will have any responces to this.

Re:I'd stick with IBM (3, Insightful)

Bishop923 (109840) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578117)

on a side note: Where does Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory get all that money to keep buying the latest and greatest super computer

LLNL does nuclear research (basically simulating nuclear weapon detonations). We spend $400 Billion on defense per year, what is $200 - $300 million for the latest and greatest super-computer?

Re:I'd stick with IBM (3, Interesting)

sexylicious (679192) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578168)

LLNL does nuclear research (basically simulating nuclear weapon detonations). We spend $400 Billion on defense per year, what is $200 - $300 million for the latest and greatest super-computer?

Also, since the US agreed to stop testing nuclear weapons, they've moved on to totally simulating them. Most often the research is done under the guise of astrophysics because the physical processes are almost identical. The US has to stay on top of things, and simulation is the only option to do so.

Make your time (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577903)

BlueGene/L is only at 36TFLOPS today, but by next year the full-size version is supposed to clock in at 180TFLOPS. The SX-8 has no chance to survive.

Re:Make your time (5, Funny)

Gil-galad55 (707960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578179)

The SX-8 has no chance to survive.

NEC, make your time.

Re:Make your time (1)

Gil-galad55 (707960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578215)

Jebus, I should read the subject lines... oh well. Cheers.

Re:Make your time (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578301)

Well, not all application can run well on the massively blown up notebook that is blue gene...
(low power embeded cpus, lots of density, not much memory bandwith).
There will be applications that can use for example >200GB/s memory bandwith per processor...

Given the architecture... (0)

Fallen Andy (795676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10577933)

which is based on that well proven design of ropes and pulleys in Apraphulia (see Sci Am a long time back), I wonder if they will have heat dissipation problems from the friction...

65 Tflops on my desktop (2, Funny)

websage (806825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578010)

Even with 65Tflops it still takes 3 min to apply my desktop settings.

I wonder if the SX-8 is related to the PX-8? (1)

phil reed (626) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578060)

Epson PX-8 [obsoleteco...museum.org] .

watch out google (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10578309)

oh lord, its worse than the email storage wars!!!

wow (-1, Offtopic)

mule007 (767116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10578395)

65 trillion flops? Too bad Kerry beat them to it..
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