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GTA: San Andreas Leaked

michael posted about 10 years ago | from the abbie-hoffman dept.

PlayStation (Games) 705

Anonymous Coward cuts-and-pastes: "Less than a week after a pirated version of Halo 2 began appearing on the Web, another of the year's most sought after games has been stolen. Ironically, it also happens to be a game titled after a larcenous act itself. That's right. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas has become the latest victim of piracy, with illegal copies of the game, its manual, and its cover appearing on various Web sites." Update: 10/21 13:54 GMT by Z : Rockstar adds some details to what we know about the crime in a press release covered by CVG.

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It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (5, Funny)

garcia (6573) | about 10 years ago | (#10585116)

"Downloading, possession and distribution of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, including making the game available on the internet, is theft." Then came this warning from the company: "We take the theft of our intellectual property very seriously and we are and will continue to diligently and aggressively pursue this matter."

I take the virtual theft of guns, money, sex with hookers, cars, and other people's lives very seriously and I will continue to diligently and aggressively pursue this matter once I get my hands on the game.

Yet another news article that continues the bombardment of the uninformed public trying to change the definition of words to fit their needs.

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (5, Funny)

(SM) Spacemonkey (812689) | about 10 years ago | (#10585185)

The logic of "Think of the Children Types":

GTA teaches our kids to steal, so our kids steal GTA, which teaches our kids to steal, so our kids steal GTA, which teaches our kids to steal... etc

Quite obviously, this vicious cycle is Rockstar's fault.

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 10 years ago | (#10585221)

Yet another news article that continues the bombardment of the uninformed public trying to change the definition of words to fit their needs.
Are you missing a prepositional phrase between public and trying?

s/public trying/public, by irritating marketing departments trying

However, there is no version control system for language, other than ignoring these little boys who cry 'wolf'.
Similar flatus occurs when the legal system is used for advertising puproses. See: Paris Hilton...then again, don't.

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (5, Interesting)

sorrowfloats (748011) | about 10 years ago | (#10585236)

Then came this warning from the company: "We take the theft of our intellectual property very seriously and we are and will continue to diligently and aggressively pursue this matter."

Anyone wanna let Microsoft know that someone has substantively ripped off the text of their Halo 2-leak threat? "Microsoft takes the integrity of its intellectual property extremely seriously, and we are aggressively pursuing the source of this illegal act." http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10/14/news_61105 39.html/ [gamespot.com]

Clarification (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585282)

I'd like a clarification of your position.

Do you consider this behavior not immoral? Or do you just have a beef with the term 'theft'?

Re:Clarification (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585351)

Do you consider this behavior not immoral? Or do you just have a beef with the term 'theft'?

It's not theft plain and simple. There is a constant misuse of the word in the media because of companies using scare tactics.

Theft is the act of physically depriving someone of a piece of their property. By me copying and downloading and then spreading their product I haven't denied them of anything.

Hopefully Rockstar is listening. I WILL NOT BUY YOUR PRODUCTS AGAIN UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR TACTICS.

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (4, Insightful)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | about 10 years ago | (#10585319)

Yet another news article that continues the bombardment of the uninformed public trying to change the definition of words to fit their needs.
And on the other side of the fence, we have the copyright violators (hmm, "pirates" is a lot less unwieldy), who continue the bombardment of the uninformed public trying to convince them that copying software is OK, because "it's not like we're actually stealing something".

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585334)

"Downloading, possession and distribution of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, including making the game available on the internet, is theft."

So:

- Possession of the game is theft.
- Distribution of the game is theft.

Does that mean we're not allowed to buy it, nor are high-street shops allowed to sell it, once the game is officially released?

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585371)

Appropriate subject, considering the "irony" mentioned in the summary is exclusively of the Morissettean variety.

Irony would be paying for a copy of a "Grand Theft" game (or "Steal This Book"). Getting it illegally is just a humorous coincidence.

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (5, Insightful)

clifyt (11768) | about 10 years ago | (#10585380)

"Yet another news article that continues the bombardment of the uninformed public trying to change the definition of words to fit their needs"

You *DO* know the english language is almost designed to incorporate new word uses over time, or are you not a linguist and just want to continually bombarding folks with the idea that you know more than most?

Hell, most languages do this. The Hebrew language goes back into its history to find unused or underused words to represent modern tech simply to avoid using language from outside of its realm and to keep the language pure. Many others do the same.

Do you really think the general public wants a new word for copyright infringing when most will look at it as Hey Why Don't They Just Say Theft Or Piracy, Because Thats What It Is. Other than the morons that take 1984 to heart and want to shape public perception by forcing the use of word choice to promote their lifestyles:

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.htm l

And you wonder why folks think RMS is a stinky hippy that wants to force everyone to his idea of society. He claims that he gives choice, all the while trying to shape the slash sheeple into his way of thinking by altering language and hopefully altering though because of it.

If we get away from thinking its theft, we can concentrate on calling it copyright infringement, which then sounds more like us v. THE MAN and thus the attitude starts to change.

I'm going to get modded to -5 for this but fuck it. You've personally derided my posts in the past for using words like theft and piracy and I'm sick of the fucking hippy element around here that can't learn to live and let live. I don't tell anyone else how they should live their lives, nor how to think, all I ask is that folks respect my personal properties which include any and all intellectual properties. I think this is all most content creators ask as well...

Oh wait, we can't use the word creator anymore either...

Re:It's like a free ride when you've already paid. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585405)

You *DO* know the english language is almost designed to incorporate new word uses over time

Yeah, exactly - isn't Orwell required reading anymore in school?

Super Novas away! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585122)

I saw this game for download on a certain site popular with Bit Torrent users yesterday nite... didn't download it, as I don't have a mod chip... and if I wait a few months, the game'll probably be like $10 anyways :P

Re:Super Novas away! (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#10585258)

I think the point is not to save money, but to play it ASAP.

My PS2 isnt chipped either, so it will be less trouble for me to wait and buy the game in 5 days.

It's not going to make a huge dent in my budget.

Re:Super Novas away! (0)

The_Mr_Flibble (738358) | about 10 years ago | (#10585437)

You mean I gotta wait 5 days ?????

I want it now !

nownownownownownownow

Ah stuff it I'll play swg instead

Ms. Pacman (3, Interesting)

2.7182 (819680) | about 10 years ago | (#10585131)

Interesting. I recall that one of the first "Leaked" games was a version of Ms. Pacman for the commodore 64. I think I was in HS, so that would be about 1984.

Re:Ms. Pacman (2, Interesting)

Feminist-Mom (816033) | about 10 years ago | (#10585150)

Yes, it came out in pirated form before it hit the stands, if that is what you mean. But it didn't make much difference since back then pirated software moved so slowly, since people used to have to physically get together and bring their disk drives. I remember having little parties like this with my Apple II !! Those were the days....

Re:Ms. Pacman (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585211)

But sometimes it moved like the wind.

I used to love cracking BBC Micro games. I remember when FRAK! was released, it had some rather good (for the time) copy protection. It took me hours to crack, but eventually lady luck smiled on me and it was cracked.

I gave a copy to a friend of mine on the Monday.

On the Friday I went to see some old chums from Uni. about 150 miles away. Guess what? They had my cracked version!

And during the course of the year, every single copy of this game I cam across was my cracked version.

I later went on to develop and sell some of my own copy protection and had great fun hearing people bitch and moan about how they couldn;t crack it. Blew their mind when I told them I was the author.

Fun days.

Re:Ms. Pacman (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585260)

Ahhh, so you're the one who came up with ROT-13. You insidious devil, you... : p

Save your download time (4, Funny)

chegosaurus (98703) | about 10 years ago | (#10585432)

It's just Pacman with a bow.

Agressive persuit (0)

nounderscores (246517) | about 10 years ago | (#10585136)

The funniest thing about this is the bbc article [bbc.co.uk] that says that Rockstar will agressively persue the "theives" using all the appropriate measures. I pity the fool who gets in their way..

Re:Agressive persuit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585165)

Did you mean: pursue

new name? (1)

twoslice (457793) | about 10 years ago | (#10585137)

Grand Theft Application: Anditisn't Myfault!

Garcia Marquez's last book (5, Interesting)

rguiu (472301) | about 10 years ago | (#10585138)

This is a another example, as the bbc explain in the article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3745484.stm

But what Garcia Maruez did finally is he modified the final chapter of the book so the book in the street does not have the same ending than the published book. Quick reaction and probably a very good publicity campaign for boths, the pirate version and the published version

Re:Garcia Marquez's last book (1, Insightful)

micromoog (206608) | about 10 years ago | (#10585192)

I know he's a Nobel prize winner and all . . . but I just can't respect an author that would change a finished work in response to the market. Seems pretty lame and un-Nobel-Prize-like to me.

Re:Garcia Marquez's last book (1)

Wudbaer (48473) | about 10 years ago | (#10585407)

Well, he can do with his works as he likes, it's supposed to be a free country after all, isn't it ?

Also to say he changed it to market response would mean that everyone reading the already published book said "Ohhh ! It has a sad ending ! But we want a happy end !" and he put in a happy end after that so more people bought the book. You are just pissed of that he somewhat outsmarted the oh-so-heroic "pirates" that are for some stupid reason the great heroes over here.

Patch (1)

IvanD (719006) | about 10 years ago | (#10585462)

I guess that's a nice move.. since your "patched" book might not look good. But a patch for the game can also go out... an so.. the happiest after all would be those that downloaded the game illegally because they'll have two endings instead of the one of the legal customers.

need proof of this (5, Funny)

ylikone (589264) | about 10 years ago | (#10585141)

Please post bittorrent links.... thanks!

Re:need proof of this (1)

joper90 (669321) | about 10 years ago | (#10585188)

i hope your joking.. only cause it will take about 5 mins to find one yourself. :)

Re:need proof of this (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585199)

Please post bittorrent links.... thanks!

I guess you're joking, but just to be an AC ass for once...

Link [66.90.75.92]
Mirror [piratbyran.org] :-P

*sigh*.... (5, Insightful)

joper90 (669321) | about 10 years ago | (#10585142)

Another dupe.. and a day late also..

But on another note why is this making news.. Every single xbox,pc,gc,ps2 etc etc game is cracked/released, and normally before retail dates.

Just because they big name games does it actually matter.. This has been going on since the days of the zx81 (and prob before).

Re:*sigh*.... (5, Funny)

BondGamer (724662) | about 10 years ago | (#10585196)

Because the slashdot editors would like someone to post a bit torrent for them. They don't have enough time or friends to find the link.

Whew (3, Funny)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10585143)

This will help with the supply shortage on the release date!

Inside Job (1)

Trigun (685027) | about 10 years ago | (#10585146)

Start firing programmers!

Seriously though, Maybe it's time for a security audit of the facilities, as well as the production sites and printing companies. If they can't keep their shit together, someone else will gladly do it for Rockstar.

Re:Inside Job (3, Insightful)

strictfoo (805322) | about 10 years ago | (#10585300)

These security breaches occur at the plants that manufacture the PS2 discs themselves. Rockstar doesn't do this, an outside (sony approved?) company does this.

No need to fire programmers!

What? (3, Funny)

Heem (448667) | about 10 years ago | (#10585152)

WHOA WHOA! You mean to tell me there is pirated software on the internet!?!? Next you'll be telling me I can download Music and Pornography.

Re:What? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585357)

I know, I gotta question all of this press about "leaked games" recently. Have they never been on usenet before?

Re:What? (1)

stanmann (602645) | about 10 years ago | (#10585475)

Evidently, not, I don't recall the matrix movies being available for download over a week before release to theatres. Or Nemo, or Gigli

Re:What? (-1)

DeathByDuke (823199) | about 10 years ago | (#10585390)

HOLY SHIT?!! You can download pr0n?!!!!

What Next? (-1, Troll)

darkmeridian (119044) | about 10 years ago | (#10585182)

I know this is Slashdot, but these piracies are really hurting. I don't know about the financial aspect of things, but a lot of programmers worked really hard for this, and stealing the program just takes the shine out of all the work they put into it.

We hate licensing and the such, but how far away are we from USB dongles?

Oh, Coralized Link.

http://www.gamespot.com.nyud.net:8090/news/2004/10 /20/news_6111057.html [nyud.net]

Re:What Next? (1)

StevenHenderson (806391) | about 10 years ago | (#10585219)

I don't know about the financial aspect of things, but a lot of programmers worked really hard for this, and stealing the program just takes the shine out of all the work they put into it.

Unfortunately, people don't adopt a similar viewpoint with music. "What? So what if they spent 2 years making this album?! It costs $11.99!! Fsck the RIAA!!!" Hypocrisy is so sad sometimes. If you download an album, and you like it, then buy it.

Re:What Next? (1)

darkmeridian (119044) | about 10 years ago | (#10585247)

I don't think that downloading music is right. It is theft. However, the RIAA is preventing the true artists from making money. Record the song, and put it on ITunes. The artist gets a huge cut.

The only thing RIAA conceivably does is to promote the musicians. But I'm sure a PR firm can do the same thing independently. This is especially true for established bands that do not need a huge corporation to take a risk on them.

Re:What Next? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585270)

it is not theft, it is copyright infringement.

Dont be dismissive of this, they have two different, and distinct meanings.

Re:What Next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585246)

nyud.net, huh? That wouldn't be the GNAA shock site, would it?

Guards! Seize him!

Re:What Next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585335)

No, nyud.net would be the site that hosts the Coral cache...

Re:What Next? (4, Insightful)

Winterblink (575267) | about 10 years ago | (#10585271)

Please. Lets come back to this discussion after we see how many copies of Halo 2, Half-life 2, and GTA: San Andreas are sold. I guarantee you they won't be sparing the champagne at the developer's launch parties this year.

Re:What Next? (-1, Troll)

GigsVT (208848) | about 10 years ago | (#10585277)

Haha, fuck em.

If they want to dick around people by only releasing the game for 3 year old platforms instead of modern hardware, they deserve whatever they get.

Re:What Next? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 10 years ago | (#10585352)

Haha, fuck em.

If they want to dick around people by only releasing the game for 3 year old platforms instead of modern hardware, they deserve whatever they get.


  1. The game is coming out on the PC
  2. At the end of the day the company wants to make money, why should they release it just for the PC when they can sell it in much larger volumes on the consoles?

Re:What Next? (3, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 10 years ago | (#10585290)

We hate licensing and the such, but how far away are we from USB dongles?

Dongles don't work.

When Robocop 3 came out on the Amiga years ago they used a dongle. The pirates simply hacked the code and told it to ignore the dongle check.

The worst bit was that the hacked version was circulated before the game was even launched.

Re:What Next? (1)

strictfoo (805322) | about 10 years ago | (#10585348)

And when programs used (still use?) parallel dongles (that sounds wrong) the crackers would either it ignore the dongle check, or create software that emulates the input/output of the dongle.

Re:What Next? (3, Interesting)

YOU LIKEWISE FAIL IT (651184) | about 10 years ago | (#10585310)

We hate licensing and the such, but how far away are we from USB dongles?

Not a good idea. USB devices can be easily emulated in software ( c.f. various "virtual cdrom" drives that appear as being on the USB bus ), and there is a well developed and sophisticated toolchain on nearly all platforms of note for debugging and analysing USB information flow.

Unfortunately, there is precious little other in the way of standardised ports to plug into. Some machines are even shipping without Parallel ports now, if the word I'm hearing is correct, which is a bit troublesome if you're trying, for example, to run Compumedics Profusion 2 which uses a parallel dongle.

YLFI

Re:What Next? (5, Insightful)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | about 10 years ago | (#10585367)

Dongles are expensive (compared to a few cents for a CD), annoying for genuine users and easily circumvented once someone cracks the software to remove the dongle existence check. They are consquently very unusual.

The only viable copy protection is similar to that used in Quake III, where you're banned from any Internet servers if you use a duplicate key. There's no killer solution for software that doesn't require the Internet to run (even Q3 would always work in single-player mode).

But hey, look at how many people downloaded the warezed copy of Doom 3, and Activision still sold a metric shedload of CDs. I wouldn't cry too much - piracy is going to hurt the publishers of weak games worst, 'cos everyone can find out that it sucks before it goes on sale ;-)

Re:What Next? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585396)

It's not stealing or "theft" as they say.

It's copyright infringement.

Too many morons.

Re:What Next? (1)

Oddly_Drac (625066) | about 10 years ago | (#10585441)

"but how far away are we from USB dongles?"

About this far >________________
Dongles are cracked routinely, so they won't make much of a difference to anyone but the 'security' manufacturers.

As for the leak; I'm still going to buy it and I'm not going to download.

"but these piracies are really hurting."

Who and how much? Bear in mind that Half Life 2 had a release date that was imminent when it was stolen, but it's still quite a way off. Why?

I can see that there's a fairly deplorable amount of games piracy out there, but there _ALWAYS_ was. It's just that the 'seeders' column gives them a way to find out. Incidentally, Eidos' recent profit warning didn't mention piracy...how large is the games industry?

Re:What Next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585477)

Are these piracies really hurting them so much?

Have you ever considered that (although the companies would never, ever admit it) that perhaps these leaks have been done by them on purpose? Look at all the free publicity they're getting, and they will even get free beta version feedback on the rumor boards. That GTA was leaked so soon after Halo almost looks suspicious, like GTA didn't want to be outdone by the extra publicity that Halo was getting. Why didn't GTA go out of their way to beef up their internal security, especially after hearing about the Halo leak?

Almost all serious gamers will want to own the official copy, even if they "preview" the pirated version. If the piracy causes say 10K sales to be lost but the publicity results in an extra 100K sales, that would be a smart business move. Especially since their actual cost incurred for each infringed copy is exactly zero.

Has been happening for years (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585183)

This happens with every single game that comes out. Why all of a sudden is this huge news? Back in the days of doom and quake games were pirated days and weeks before their release. Granted, lately it's been sometimes the day of or a day after the game has been released to retail that a game gets pirated, but this isn't news people. It's been happening for 10+ years. One thing that has changed, is how easy it is for people not involved in the "scene" to get these releases. Before you used to have to know the right people, nowadays all you need to do is load up the latest p2p app and anyone can find it.

Re:Has been happening for years (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | about 10 years ago | (#10585232)

this could signal an incoming wave of repressive measures against pirated software websites...

although I don't know how that would deal with Usenet-based piracy...

Re:Has been happening for years (2, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 10 years ago | (#10585393)

It's been happening for 10+ years. One thing that has changed, is how easy it is for people not involved in the "scene" to get these releases.

The other thing is that it's now cool to play video games.

That and the fact that it's also big business.

Re:Has been happening for years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585464)

The latest iteration of the Hitman series took about a week after retail release to get leaked. That's probably due to the fact that around the same time a few groups around the world just got most of their hardware impounded by law enforcement. So if these companies want to maintain the illusion that they lose millions of sales because of piracy, they should just sponser world wide hardware repoing right around the time of release. It's doubtful that Half Life 2 will be leaked before November 16, so that's the perfect opportunity for Vivendi and Valve to team up and halt the spread of the game by a week or two.

Serves'em right for no PC version (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585186)

Stupid consoles.

Ohhh the irony (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585187)

A game about robbing and stealing and wrackage and mayhem leaks out for everyone to steal. It is beautiful.

Actually... (2, Informative)

LighthouseJ (453757) | about 10 years ago | (#10585444)

If the game was about trying to reform the main character away from robbing and stealing, then it would be irony. Since there is no relative constrast between the game plot and downloading leaked copies, this cannot be irony.

What problem? (4, Insightful)

Quill (238781) | about 10 years ago | (#10585189)

However, it is already clear [...] piracy is becoming an increasingly common and serious problem for both gamers and the games industry.

I have never condemmned piracy, but "a problem for gamers" - what kind of tripe is this?

Actually, I see their point. The game publishers try to combat piracy with more draconian copy protection. This *is* a problem for gamers. The gamers who legitimately paid for their game. Not for those who download a cracked version.

Re:What problem? (1)

LaundroMat (517379) | about 10 years ago | (#10585237)

Copy protection for something that hasn't hit the market yet.

Re:What problem? (1)

Trigun (685027) | about 10 years ago | (#10585241)

How about the gamers that won't be able to play the games because companies will stop producing the games on the PC because it's too easy to pirate? Or the gamers whose favorite franchise shuts down because it's been pirated to death? Or how about all gamers once companies start rushing games to market in months rather than years in an attempt to beat the piracy logistically?

It hurts all gamers. Even if you think that the games are too expensive, or that corporations are evil, if we keep this up, we'll all get what we deserve.

Re:What problem? (2, Insightful)

harrkev (623093) | about 10 years ago | (#10585323)

You are correct, but there is more to the picture.

Game development is a *business*. That means that they are in this *to make money*. They have employees, rent, etc.

So, if piracy costs them sales, then they have to raise the price to compensate. Or perhaps they decide NOT to make that cool new experimental game which might be a big hit or it might flop. "Let's just stick to making another FPS. Not too original, but it will sell like hotcakes."

So, if there were no piracy, you might find slightly less expensive games, as well as a larger variety.

One thing to consider, however, is how many of those pirated copies represent lost sales. I bet that many people will pirate to get it now, and then buy it when it is on a shelf. Many other might pirate it, but would not have purchased it any event. Since it is difficult to do a survey of people downloading warez, we will never really know how many downloaded copies actually represent lost sales (my guess is about 1/4 or so).

Re:What problem? (1)

Quill (238781) | about 10 years ago | (#10585472)

One thing to consider, however, is how many of those pirated copies represent lost sales.

Exactly. I was being cynical in my remark, but I had considered the lost sales argument. Ultimately, however, I believe that a statistically insignicant number of sales will be "lost" due to this.

If your guess of 1/4 was correct, this would be devastating to the industry, and I don't think it to be a likely number for the PC industry let alone for the PS2 where - correct me if I'm wrong - you'd need special hardware to burn a disk, plus a modded console.

I know a few dozen people with consoles and only one that has a mod chip, and that's just for imports (okay, pirated imports, but still - he pays for the domestic stuff).

Re:What problem? (1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | about 10 years ago | (#10585447)

I'll be a problem for games if Rockstar Games doesn't make a profit. No profit=no sequel or other good game from them.

I can justify downloading a copy to use as a 'demo', but if you like the game, and don't pay for it, you are a theiving shithead.

TORRENT PLEASE (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585195)

I'd like to "RTFM" this article, so a torrent link would be appreciated!

Thanks!

Sexism (-1, Troll)

EggplantMan (549708) | about 10 years ago | (#10585197)

It's not surprising that the theft of this game is considered news on Slashdot, considering the demographics. This puerile offering will probably be the most 'action' that Slashdotters will get in their lives. And yet you wonder why there aren't women in tech, as you sit around in your jammies playing out your sexist fantasies on your gaming console??

Re:Sexism (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585262)

Mod parent "Correct, but *ever-so-slightly* over the top".

Re:Sexism (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585450)

Yessssss , wanking off in front of my PC while playing leisure suite Larry and cumming all over the keyboard, thats exactly what we do here! Sticky keyboard , sticky mouse !:) Sick sick fantasies. You would'nt believe how perverted us Geeks are, you'd better leave , it's not safe for you here!;)

This is El Burro of the Rockstar Diablos. (5, Funny)

AntonyBartlett (644248) | about 10 years ago | (#10585202)

A thieving opportunist has stolen a van of my latest publication hot off the press! But that SPANKED-up idiot has left the rear doors open and now my, artistically violent, tastefully desctructive video game is being dropped all over the Internet. Persue that trail of illegal copies diligently and aggressively collecting evidence as you go. When you've followed the trail to that thieving SPANK-head, waste him.

if only I had mod points (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585255)

Very nice.

Re:This is El Burro of the Rockstar Diablos. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585318)

That mission is a bitch! The van handles like crap.

Cry me a fscking river (3, Insightful)

jeffasselin (566598) | about 10 years ago | (#10585231)

"Nothing to see here, move along", as they say...

There's nothing new here. The warez scene has been doing -1 and 0-day releases forever. I've seen -7 releases before. They're getting a bit better, and I suspect some of the biggest networks are probably paying people to do the leaks, which helps things.

This is news only because the game has been widely publicized. This happens all the time.

Please don't copy it. (5, Funny)

Rogerborg (306625) | about 10 years ago | (#10585238)

Look, I know a guy who's working on it, a really decent man. He has a wife, a child, and another on the way. If you copy this instead of buying it, you're contributing to putting him out of a job just when he needs one the most.

This isn't a theoretical issue. Rockstar aren't some faceless cartel. Please. Do the right thing this time.

Re:Please don't copy it. (0, Flamebait)

pagal_paanda (824030) | about 10 years ago | (#10585302)

Alright, alright, I'll listen to the poster and won't copy it. Due to the magnificent achievements in technology, I'll just run it through virtual drive. Man, I just saved two (3?) empty CDs.

Re:Please don't copy it. (-1, Troll)

GigsVT (208848) | about 10 years ago | (#10585313)

Look, I know a guy who's working on it, a really decent man. He has a wife, a child, and another on the way.

What about all the good things hitler did?

Re:Please don't copy it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585382)

Look, I know a guy who's working on it, a really decent man. He has a wife, a child, and another on the way.

1) That's what you get when you have sex, it's his own fault.
2) You are lying. If he is having sex, he can't be a programmer.
3) What do you mean by "know", hmm? Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more!

Re:Please don't copy it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585398)

Don't most game companies sack 90% of the team directly after finishing the game?

Re:Please don't copy it. (1)

Oddly_Drac (625066) | about 10 years ago | (#10585489)

"Rockstar aren't some faceless cartel."

No, faceless cartels tend to refer to themselves with simple geographic codes, whereas Rockstar...oh, wait...

"you're contributing to putting him out of a job just when he needs one the most."

Rockstar is doing great from the GTA series. You may have noticed them acquiring various studios.

While I sympathise with your sentiment, please understand that it's sentiment.

this aint new(s) (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | about 10 years ago | (#10585251)

However, it is already clear that with four of the year's top games--GTA: San Andreas, Halo 2, Doom 3, and Half-Life 2---being posted online before their official releases, piracy is becoming an increasingly common and serious problem for both gamers and the games industry.

I agree that it's a problem with piracy. It definately looks like it's becoming an increasingly problem. But it's not. Just because these four games happen to be on every geek's wishlist they get noticed. Look at how many games are pirated and available for download well before their official release date, and you don't hear about those. If they're so concerned with piracy, restrict access (for employees) to the games so that as few people as possible have the final product in hand. Or register the cd keys (or whatever security system you use) to your employees. If you see a copy appear on the internet with one of those keys (because creating a keygen is a little more work) you know who was the leak.

Re:this aint new(s) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585363)

Exactly..

The problem has always been there.. its just the 'scene' is not so underground anymore, if full of p2p peeps, that have no respect for the 'scene'.

Now, im not saying its right, but it used to be only a select few(thousands) who worked for the right to access the warez. Now any leech can get at it..

And that what keeps dragging it into the public domain.. exactly where is shouldn't be.

Most people in teh 'scene' don't even download or play 99% of the games, its not the point.. Its just a race for kudos.

Re:this aint new(s) (1)

l0rd (52169) | about 10 years ago | (#10585369)

Even better would be to just watermark the game. If watermarks were put in arbitrary places, there would be no way (read, a small chance) that a time crippled cracker could get all of them. After all, if the release takes too long it's not zero day any more.

Of course, any one of the programmers can grep the watermark code out of the game, but if you can't trust your programmers, then who can you trust?

San Andreas? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585292)

Alright, whose fault is this???

nyuk nyuk...i kill me...

PC Version (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585314)

VERY lame that once again, another GTA game is being released on PS2 before PC.

The PC San Andreas wont even be out until SPRING 2005.

Great marketing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585341)

This question is for people who believe that music file trading increases CD sales. Ever consider that maybe releasing your software online, then crying that it has been pirated, is a fantastic and free marketing ploy? The vast majority of game players actually by their games. So when they see news like this posted on Slashdot and other sites, it's simply free advertising, and a powerful message that this game must be damn hot, so I just gotta rush out and buy it as soon as it hits the stores.

This Begs A Half-Life 2 Question (5, Interesting)

BRock97 (17460) | about 10 years ago | (#10585350)

Prepare for a "If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around" question...

So, hypothetically, if Half-Life 2 were to be pirated, I download the game, and I already have it paid for via Steam, is it illegal?

victim? (-1, Troll)

hedrek (35787) | about 10 years ago | (#10585364)

Couldn't have happened to a better company.

FUCK those morons who produce this game..

I'm all for Doom style violence, but when you get into car jacking and shit like that.. go to hell..

help fund for the programmers.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585368)

Who is going to set up the care fund online to help the starving programmers and company eXecs cince this leak and piracy is making them poor.

Piracy steals from the poor creative people...

oh wait.....

Piracy , but who benefit the most (2, Interesting)

lecuyerjm (778596) | about 10 years ago | (#10585404)

Just for a bit of info, there another side of game piracy. I'm sure you guy that for a game to be well sale, you need some guy to pirate the game. Piracy help the game industrie to be well know. There is not one bad side of piracy. For myself I don't think game piracy is cool , but i'm sure it does help game selling. Jim

*sigh* (1)

festers (106163) | about 10 years ago | (#10585413)

Why are these things starting to sound like publicity stunts more than anything else?

This just proves one thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585418)

The media only covers things that make money. That's right. Video game "piracy" as they like to call it has been going on since there were video games. Now that video games "big business" they cover it. Where was media when people were pirating windows 3.1 and Warcraft 1? Nowhere to be seen. This isn't news people, it's "fake" news fed to you by your "unbiased, no we swear" media. Anybody who releases ANY production on CD-rom is an idiot to think it won't be made public before or soon after its release date. I'm not hear to argue if that is right or wrong that is just a fact of life. The sky is blue, politicians like to lie, and people will rip you off if given the chance. As for my views on this "piracy" I think it only hurts games that suck and weren't going to sell well anyway execpt for maybe some lame theme/licsensing. You wouldn't buy a car without driving it, buy a house without at least walking through it, go to a movie without seeing previews for it, or buy a book without at least reading the back cover. But we are expected to plop down 50$ on faith that this game won't suck ass. And you know what?? Plenty of times(more than not??) it does suck ass. Maybe the game producers could do 2 things to make "piracy" less prevalent. First start making games people think are worth buying. Second bring back the DEMO,before the game is released, not 2 months later(doom 3 anybody, though IMHO they had a good reason to not let us play that pile before release). So yeah I kind of got off on a tangent but it's all pretty relevant :)

.torrent (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585436)

The .torrent [suprnova.org]

req: Obligatory Simpsons quote (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 10 years ago | (#10585449)

Please find a Simpsons quote to help me understand this.

Thanks,

The Obligatory Simpsons quote guy

blame? (1)

hawley Griffin (796320) | about 10 years ago | (#10585457)

haitians? surely...

Stolen? (2, Insightful)

foolip (588195) | about 10 years ago | (#10585458)

What does the article actually say has happened? Has a copy of the game actually been stolen, or has a copy been made and put online? Since its impossible to steal immaterial things it should mean the latter, but with all the deliberate confusion of theft and copyright infringement that goes on its impossible to say.
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