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Online Game Event Sparks Player Riot

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the teppy-whatchoo-doin? dept.

Role Playing (Games) 758

Grimwell Online is carrying a story entitled When does an Online Game go too far?. It details a post to a news group about a world event in the newly released A Tale in the Desert 2. The online game, which simulates an ancient Egyptian culture, was full of angry players after a developer-run event used openly discriminatory language against the female gender. Details on the event can be found at the ATITD2 Wiki, and commentary can be found on TerraNova.

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GNAA announces victory over Matthew Tanner Bonig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602532)

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Re:GNAA announces victory over Matthew Tanner Boni (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602703)

"mbonig" has been identified as Slashdot subscriber garcia [slashdot.org] in #slashchat.

nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602808)

I know garcia. I don't like him or dislike him, but I do know him in 'real life'. He's not mbonig.

yep (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602837)

parent is garcia trying to deflect attention from himself. do not believe his propaganda

SHUT UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602883)

Just leave me alone!

-garcia

Whaaaaa! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602533)

When a game goes to far I don't play it anymore.

This is just more of that post-modern victim shit. Some chicks got bent outta shape because a CHARACTER in a GAME set in ANCIENT EGYPT didn't treat their characters like empowered 21st century soccer-moms.

Re:Whaaaaa! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602673)

Yeah! Since when do broads have anything to say about being called cunts?

Define irony. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602674)

Some chicks...
Define irony.

Re:Define irony. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602772)

An old man turned ninety-eight
He won the lottery and died the next day
It's a black fly in your chardonnay
It's a death row pardon two minutes too late
Isn't it ironic... don't you think?

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Mr. play it safe was afraid to fly
He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye
He waited his whole damn life to take that flight
And as the plane crashed down he thought
Well isn't this nice...
And isn't it ironic... don't you think?

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
When you think everything's okay and everything's going right

And life has a funny way of helping you out when
You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up
In your face

A traffic jam when you're already late
A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break
It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife
It's meeting the man of my dreams
And then meeting his beautiful wife
And isn't it ironic... don't you think?
A little too ironic... and yeah I really do think...

It's like rain on your wedding day
It's a free ride when you've already paid
It's the good advice that you just didn't take
Who would've thought... it figures

Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out
Helping you out

Re:Define irony. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602814)

Ironically nothing in that song is actually ironic.

Re:Define irony. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602868)

That's not ironic. Neither is this.

Re:Define irony. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602874)

well, the word "bummer" doesn't rhyme or have the proper number of syllables to go with the rest of the song...

Re:Define irony. (1)

coronaride (222264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602858)

what is ironic is a song titled "ironic" gives examples of what appears to be irony at first glance but really are just situations that suck..

Re:Define irony. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602888)

Yeah, I said it. I'll say it again. "Chick."

As in:
"Who was at the party last night?"
"Oh, just some chicks & dudes you don't know."

Because, like all men, when I say chick, I really mean "subservient ovary." :P

Again, more of that victim shit. You react as if I've slapped my own mother (or yours, perhaps) across the face by using the word "chick". Ludicrous. The 90's called, they want their Politically Correct hypersensitivity back.

Re:Whaaaaa! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602732)

I sense a boatload of AC comments coming....

Re:Whaaaaa! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602733)

The same kind of bull is happening in open source.Gentoo Women and Debian Women are two more of the "victim" forums, openly discriminatory and anti-male groups sponsored by the gentoo and debian projects.

Why is this allowed?Code should be based on merit, not on some victim mentality.Like most groups of victims the perception of oppressive activity is fictional.By defining themselves as victims they are making a reality for themselves and becoming forever known as submissive.Who am I to be a psychologist, maybe victimhood is the only way some people can survive.That makes them only victims to their whining selfs

Re:Whaaaaa! (0)

SpamJunkie (557825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602813)

I'm sure this is not the only inaccuracy in the game. For example it does seem that these egyptians speak English. Why don't they speak the actual ancient languages of the time?

Because the fact is that this is a simulation in modern times and English is one of the common languages of our time. In that same vein treating women equally is also common. Just because the simulation takes place in a different time is not an excuse to spread hate and propaganda.

I wonder if you would think this a small issue if instead the comments were racist, as was also common in ancient times.

Re:Whaaaaa! (5, Insightful)

Ced_Ex (789138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602847)

And I suppose a WWII game that had Nazi Death Camps for Jews is anti-Semetic?

Re:Whaaaaa! (2, Insightful)

DeepHurtn! (773713) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602884)

I don't think you have any idea what the word "post-modern" means.

Re:Whaaaaa! (0, Redundant)

oxbow lake (104590) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602891)

I think a lot of people might agree that in a fabricated environment intended for enjoyment, it'd be reasonable to sacrifice the less pleasant societal aspects like mysogyny, sexism, etc. at the expense of realism.

I can't see why anybody would want that unless they themselves were abusive bastards.

Were they really women? (5, Funny)

The I Shing (700142) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602535)

The irony is that all the women playing the game were actually guys pretending to be women.

Seriously, though, this guy could end up with a lawsuit on his hands. I think he would be wise to issue a public apology pretty soon.

Re:Were they really women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602596)

against the female gender

/.ers plaing online now?

Re:Were they really women? (1)

BakaHoushi (786009) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602617)

To be fair, I know a lot of women who play video games. The most popular among them, though, are MMORPG's (and for some, offline RPGs). Ragnarok Online tends to be a rather female heavy MMORPG. Well, at least if my purely scientific and 100% accurate poll is true (My poll consists of knowing about 10 people who play it, about 7 of them women.)

Re:Were they really women? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602619)

Lawsuit? On what grounds? Sexual harrasment? Gimme a break dude. These "events" took place in a game. I might as well sue id because I was playing Doom 3 and some kid called me a fag.

A bunch of whiney cunts think they're entitled to something other than nothing. If they were people of integrity they'd either deal with it, or just quit playing the game.

A good experience (5, Insightful)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602640)

Tepper stated that he will continue to "create situations that cause some discomfort."

If you're just playing the game to have some fun, and don't care about historical "accuracy" or at least realism, this would be annoying and possibly offensive.

If you're playing it to experience a world, I think it's completely in line. Slavery, racism, and sexual discrimination are all part of history (and our world today), and being confronted with them in a online gaming experience could be much more powerful than, for example, reading in your textbook that Denmark abolished the African slave trade in 1803.

mod parent +1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602680)

I agree. If a game is set in a place where men and women are treated differently in the societies (same with slaves), then this is perfectly valid.

If you don't like it, play like a man. Maybe being a woman has certain advantages, and being a man has others (like it would be in real life).

That being said.. I don't know if the game would be more fun.

Personally if I were playing a female character in such a setting.. I would expect it. Of course, it is important to set peoples expectations right.

Re:A good experience (4, Insightful)

fizban (58094) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602832)

The problem arises when different people are playing it for different reasons, in which case there needs to be a set of *community agreed upon* rules of conduct. In this case, there were, but the gamemaster chose to ignore them.

So, if the gamemaster starts ignoring the community rules, then you have problems. In these instances, the gamemaster needs to be clear up front about how he/she is going to play the game and also state why it will be different from the community standards so that those who don't agree have the option to not play. For instance, in this case, the gamemaster should have been upfront and said that he was going to be portraying ancient Egypt in a true-to-life manner, so any characters that would have been of slave status in that time period may be treated that way in the game. If the gamemaster is doing this for educational purposes, it's great, because roleplaying is a great way to learn about things in a very personal manner.

However, if he was just playing the game this way for non-educational purposes, just entertainment for himself, then I question his ethics. Roleplaying as a Nazi or slave trader for purely entertainment purposes is not what I would consider a healthy mentality. Doing so to spark discussion on issues of race and gender discrimination is fine, but again, it needs to be stated upfront that this is what's happening.

hey! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602544)

fuck you i'm a freak.

#DD

Ancient Egypt? (4, Interesting)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602549)

Right, because it would have been so much more realistic for them to portray ancient egypt as "gender-neutral", right?

Maybe they were just going for authenticity?

Re:Ancient Egypt? (3, Funny)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602575)

I think it was more of "Hey Mommy, who is your Daddy?" when he actually wanted to say Mummy which somehow doesn't quite sound right anyway.

Re:Ancient Egypt? (5, Insightful)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602691)

Nice try at being funny.

According to the article, it's an online game and one of the developers made a plot character that refused to trade with women, calling them slaves, etc...

Apparently he just wanted to bring out the fact that in ancient egypt, the role of women wasn't exactly like it is today, but a bunch of women are standing on their "right not to be offended by anyone, even in a game" and quitting.

Look (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602584)

Haven't you figured out that the only way we can progress as a society is to forget the past. That is, unless it's something that might benefit our minority agenda.

Re:Ancient Egypt? (2)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602681)

I think it was in part over-reaction by a bunch of hair-trigger pseudo-feminists who can't stomache historical accuracy if it portrays women as second-class, and in part the fact that the game developer is a first-rate asshole. There's really no doubt about the second, nor in my opinion the first.

Still, it's just a game, and it's HIS game. No matter how much of a dick the guy is he can do as pleases. If some people are upset by this they can always NOT PLAY. It's that simple. If they're motivated, they could get together and make their own game.

That's the way it is in computer-land. Don't like the rules? YOU don't get to change them. It isn't a democracy. You can, however, go set up YOUR OWN fiefdom with YOUR OWN rules. That should be enough to make you happy. If it isn't, then a rational person has to wonder at your motivations, and who the real asshole is in all of this.

Max

Re:Ancient Egypt? (1)

nodwick (716348) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602779)

think it was in part over-reaction by a bunch of hair-trigger pseudo-feminists who can't stomache historical accuracy if it portrays women as second-class, and in part the fact that the game developer is a first-rate asshole. There's really no doubt about the second, nor in my opinion the first.

Still, it's just a game, and it's HIS game. No matter how much of a dick the guy is he can do as pleases. If some people are upset by this they can always NOT PLAY. It's that simple. If they're motivated, they could get together and make their own game.

Exactly. It reminds me of how at the Luxor [luxor.com] , it's perfectly understood that in the interest of historical accuracy, female residents are considered second-class citizens to the men, and the hotel owner can be as much of a dick as he pleases. If people don't like it, they can damn well go build their own hotel, it's that simple.

Oh, wait.

(Not to mention, legal ramifications aside, you've got to wonder about the business wisdom of pissing off your customer base...)

Re:Ancient Egypt? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602801)

they should make it authentic to modern Egypt, where a good Muslim is dutybound to beat any tramp who back talked to him, praise be to Allah.

Re:Ancient Egypt? (1)

tik1 (824560) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602854)

Although it might be realistic for the women to be treated as they were, the article talks about how the Game Admin allows a swastika sculpture to exist. How is that realistic toward ancient Egypt? "He further admits to allowing a swastika sculpture in the first ATITD game, refusing to tear it down."

Stupid bitches (3, Funny)

strictfoo (805322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602550)

What do you call a basement full of women?

A whine cellar.

Re:Stupid bitches (3, Funny)

strictfoo (805322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602604)

for just a second this post was Score 3: Insightful

Best mod ever!

No it wasn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602692)

At the time of this reply:

Starting Score: 1 point

Moderation +2

40% Funny

20% Flamebait

20% Troll

It has yet to recieve a single Insightful mod.

Re:No it wasn't. (1)

adam mcmaster (697132) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602752)

I believe Slash averages scores, in such a way that the average score displayed is not always one of the moderations which was actually applied to the comment. (Though I could be wrong)

Re:No it wasn't. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602755)

And what does 40 + 20 + 20 add up to? Think about that.

Re:No it wasn't. (1)

SoTuA (683507) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602788)

This is weird, ATM I see it as:

40% funny

20% flamebait

20% insightful

So there's a insightful in there, but the funny part is that it doesn't add up!

Re:Stupid bitches (3, Funny)

Cynikal (513328) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602773)

And on October 22nd, Slashdot forums used openly discriminatory language against the female gender. Obviously no Women were around to notice or care.

Re:Stupid bitches (0, Flamebait)

AEton (654737) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602823)

Hey, want to hear a joke?

Women's rights.

How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
That's not funny!

I am a horrible person and am going to hell.

(On a racism side note: if you happen to be on the WVU campus, check out a copy of the student newspaper from today and the last few weeks. There's a great editorial to the effect of "if black people want us to stop calling them criminals, they should stop committing crime!". A bit ago there was a crime committed off campus; the only description was "mid-20's black man". The newspaper ran quotes from students saying "well, the description of [insert blatantly racist characterization, big lips, etc.] sounds just like all the black men I've seen!" and letters came in to the paper saying "yeah, they all -do- look like that!". It's a horrible, messy thing.)

Hmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602551)

used openly discriminatory language against the female gender

What, like bitch?

More like a flamewar... (0, Flamebait)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602568)

So what's new? Happens here all the time....Watch as I demonstrate.

Microsoft RUL3ZZ!!
Linux SUXX0RRZ
RIAA is TEH K1N6!

j/k

Sad state of affairs (3, Insightful)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602571)

IT'S A GAME!!

What was the average age of the participants? I suspect that this nonsense was bred entirely from immaturity.

I mean really, who besides a child (mentally) gets so spun up over a game?? I thought they were supposed to be fun!

Have I missed something?

Re:Sad state of affairs (2, Interesting)

Unoti (731964) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602676)

Actually, Tale in the Desert lures a much more mature audience than your average massively multiplayer game. There's no hacking and slashing, there's no way to be super elite. It's a cooperative game, where the players work together to advance their collective technology. When I was playing, I personally found that the people playing Tale in the Desert were emotionally more mature than what I've seen in Asheron's Call, Lineage 2, Ultima Online, Everquest, Shadowbane, and Star Wars Galaxies.

While you may be right that the problem here was borne of immaturity, it's certainly not because this game attracts a more immature audience than other games.

Perhaps a better title for the article would be "When Political Correctness Spins Out of Control."

Re:Sad state of affairs (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602817)


So in other words, 17 year-olds were playing the game versus 13 year-olds?

After all, any older and you normally have a life

Oh, wait, this is slashdot. I forgot.

R'd TFA... (1)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602696)

...but still have some questions about the maturity of those involved.

1. Who thought adding this element was a Good Idea?

2. If the situation was historically accurate, what's the problem? Granted, the slurs were over the top, but if the game was about ancient Egypt, and women were actually treated like that, I don't see what the big deal is.

Either way, my original point remains; people get too jacked up over stupid shit these days.

Re:Sad state of affairs (1)

LittleK (640585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602728)

Yeah, it's pathetic that people would get so worked up about a game.

Plus, the game reacted to the player's choice in gender, not their actual gender. I don't see how this is differant than people not being able to load some web pages because of their choice to use Firefox.

my question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602572)

is the author of that article a woman?

Been there, done that (4, Interesting)

mekkab (133181) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602577)

As for the "societal implications of this behavior" This territory has been covered before [juliandibbell.com] , years ago. The analysis done, the poor quality undergrad papers written (by me), its done.

As an in-game device to create tension and conflict; awesome. Job well done.

Never offend your audience... (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602611)

I'm pretty sure the developer thought that this would be funny... people seem to get offensive and funny mixed up these days.

You should know better when designing something from a broad base that if you offend people, those are potential customers you won't get. Turn away too many potential customers and yhou won't have enough actual customers to make anything work.

Vlad Farted (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602624)

Scott Lockwood and K5 admins censor ad discussions that are critical of the ads.

When Scott Lockwood posted an advertisement for his "web hosting company", he clicked the checkbox to enable comments on the advertisement. However, after receiving several comments harshly critical of his service, the discussion on the advertisement mysteriously vanished, as if commenting on the advertisement had never been turned on. How coincidental -- is the Kuro5hin administration in the habit of censoring advertisement discussions if the advertisement draws critical or negative comments? Isn't the purpose of ad comments to allow critical discussion and debate about the merits of the thing being advertised, regardless of whether the opinions are positive or negative? Is any advertisement which receives critical comments going to have its comments turned off, or is this censorship only going to be available at the request of the advertiser?

Re:Never offend your audience... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602750)

Not really. there might be some ppl leaving because of this, but MANY more people see this as "Hey something interesting happening here", Eventually it will probably lead to new insights in how MMO's (can) work. My humble opinion.. p.s. I am a player of this game, and I wouldnt be offended if it happened to me. Hey, it's still a game, right?

Re:Never offend your audience... (1)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602856)

More likely, this is somebody who comes from the literary school of role play, where powerful themes such as racism and sexism are strongly present. There is a big difference between somebody on a sports game hollering into his mic that the other team are a bunch of fags and somebody portraying a Jewish man in a concentration camp pondering the morals of convincing the guards to execute the homosexuals in the next building rather than his family the next day.

The first is thoughtless hate originating from the player. The second is a thought provoking and difficult positioning of yourself into a role.

Women have been treated as less than men throughout history, and still are in many cases. This is historically correct, not politically correct.

As for your second comment, there are plenty of people who don't bemoan the vapid entertainment on TV because they have discovered that powerful works of art exist elsewhere. These people take their dollars to those works. If this game positions itself there and is successful (a combination of quality, marketing and luck), those people will line up with their money.

--
Evan

Uhhhhh hahahahahahah (1)

SengirV (203400) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602878)

hahahahah hahahahah Uhhh, you said broad. Uhhhhh haahahahah hahahahaha hahahaha

Uhmm.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602629)

How about not playing if it offends you so much?

Pathetic. A non-issue. (1, Redundant)

slashdot_punk (813387) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602633)

Next!

SWG had Riots too (2, Interesting)

MrFile (194025) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602635)

In Starwars Galaxies there where a few player riots that brought servers down. I dont recall the reason for them, but they where also brought on by user frustration.

This even caused SWG to make a "no assembly without player event" policy.

In the future i think we are going to see this more and more, as mass groups of people get upset at sites, games, etc, they will be able to take action just by logging in.

Re:SWG had Riots too (3, Interesting)

AceCaseOR (594637) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602855)

This [penny-arcade.com] what [penny-arcade.com] you [galaxyforums.com] were [ign.com] talking about? (same event, but from different sources) So far there haven't been any mass player 'porting by administrators to my knowledge. Does anyone know if this is not the case?

How does this manage to ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602636)

be slashdot news!? Gamers are angry & sexist all the time, (mostly thanks to Myg0t and the like), and it never amounts to anything. Also, on the rare occasion that it does, isnt this something for that mmo's forums!?

Re:How does this manage to ... (1)

Xshare (762241) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602873)

That's the point. This time, it amounted to a game-wide riot.

Player-Based (4, Insightful)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602643)

The Terranova link has a comment that says the discrimination was widespread and player based. That doesn't seem like it was discrimination from the organizers of the event. So although it's sad, I don't think they're in danger of losing a lawsuit.

There's been a lot of people using racial slurs on gaming servers lately. It's a shame that it's so widespread and that very few people say anything when it occurs during gameplay. I miss the days when you'd hear "nice shot" or "good luck" on a server instead of a bunch of insults.

Re:Player-Based (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602717)

you are such a faggot. eat shit and die motherfucker.

Re:Player-Based (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602723)

miss the days when you'd hear "nice shot" or "good luck" on a server instead of a bunch of insults.
play bzflag on a moderated server like secretplace. no cursing allowed, lots of nice shot complements, and of course serious concentration on gameplay. You are playing the games where 12 - 15 year old boys hang out. If you try any of that junk on secretplace you get kicked and banned.

Re:Player-Based (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602768)

There's been a lot of people using racial slurs on gaming servers lately. It's a shame that it's so widespread and that very few people say anything when it occurs during gameplay. I miss the days when you'd hear "nice shot" or "good luck" on a server instead of a bunch of insults.

I've seen this also, but it doesn't worry me so much. On a commerically operated game server, users get banned quickly for this kind of thing. On free private servers (Jim's Counter-Strike server etc.) its pretty much immpossible to avoid because even if the server owner wants to police his server he probably can't all the time. As far as I can rememeber playing online ( playing Unreal ) they've always been idiots. It was the main reason I started joining game clans.

Views of a player (4, Interesting)

kathgar1 (730100) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602646)

While I did not personally attend the event, I have heard quite enough about it. The trader did not come from Egypt, but a foreign land. I've discussed this event way too much as it is though so I do not feel like going into it a length now. BTW, you already killed our wiki

Whats the big deal? (4, Insightful)

PktLoss (647983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602652)

So a game based in a period of human history would like to present a sterotype present in that time period... In one charecter (so far), widely regarded by many NPCs to be a theif and a scoundrel...

I'm tired of whitewashing history (will I be flamed by those who would consider that a racist remark?). Bad things happen, people were enslaved, tortured, killed, etc, based on pretty much anything. It was bad, we know that, lets move on, but lets also not forget that it happened.

Game publishers, programmers and authors should be applauded for being willing to tackle issues present in the period they choose to set their work, it is a difficult and tricky business.

Perhapps users could/(should?) be warned during charecter creation that their chosen avatar will effect game play, heck, list it as a feature. If you play female some NPCs wont trade with you, if you play a white guy you won't be able to jump, if you play someone of X decent you will be better at Y, etc.

Re:Whats the big deal? (5, Insightful)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602736)

The sad thing is, history is still repeating itself today. Instead of complaining about how people are treated in a game how about complaining about how people are treated in real life. Get out of the basement people!

Re:Whats the big deal? (4, Insightful)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602840)

If you play female some NPCs wont trade with you, if you play a white guy you won't be able to jump, if you play someone of X decent you will be better at Y, etc.

The thing is ALL RPG's do this already, with fantasy races and classes. There were lots of MUDS that I played where if you were an Orge or a Drow or a Giant, some of the NPC vendors wouldn't sell you anything, and if you were Evil you'd get jumped by city guards. It went with the territory. Yet whenever anyone tries to aplly this to gender especially people become very angry. Its a huge double standard.

Oh give me a break. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602656)

"The implications of these condoned actions reached further than the expected sexual discrimination that showed on the surface, according to the in-game chat, the player known as Jaime, was reported to be a black female. She was appalled by the comments of "master" and "slave" because it reached far
deeper than male vs. female bringing in harsh reminders of racism."

Because African Americans were the only people to be enslaved throughout the world, naturally.

Re:Oh give me a break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602741)

>Because African Americans were the only people to be enslaved throughout the world, naturally.

Acoording to many African Americans this is true.

Which is why they have such a hard time rising up.

It's the niggers' fault (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602756)

dont forget the fucking kikes!!!

They can all kiss my yellow ass!!

Re:Oh give me a break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602762)

I'm pretty sure all of those slave owners in Ancient Egypt were white. And all of the slaves were African. See also Moses.

Anonymous for obvious reasons.

Re:Oh give me a break. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602831)

Sometimes "art" reflects life.

Slashdot bias against this article....? (5, Funny)

Rahga (13479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602662)

While a good deal of posters will take the objective viewpoint, I don't think you'll find a ton of sympathy for the female players here in slashdot.... Let's face it, most of these folk happen to be guys that are discriminated against by females every day.

Re:Slashdot bias against this article....? (1)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602784)

You really have no idea what discrimination means do you. Try not to confuse your bias with womens choices in future.

Re:Slashdot bias against this article....? (2, Insightful)

kmb (56194) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602800)

Let's face it, most of these folk happen to be guys that are discriminated against by females every day.

And judging from the attitude and language in some of these posts, they damned well deserve it.

Is this the right place? (1)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602665)

Will any women even read the comments to this story?

Perfectly acceptable given circumstances (5, Insightful)

MaineCoon (12585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602667)

Anyone who has played the game will know that ATITD is about roleplaying and community. It is about building a civilization, and rising as a civilization to meet challenges. I haven't played the game in a year and a half, but I think most of what was true then holds true now.

The incident in question (for those who didnt RTFA) involves a game event where a staff-controlled character, a merchant, travelled the world and traded with people. Females were treated as slaves - which, given the place and time that this role playing game portrays, was not necessarily an inaccurate representation. Should a game whose purpose is roleplaying (and to an extent, re-enactment) set thousands of years ago, represent modern day values? That is up for the players to decide. They took for granted modern day values, but never passed any laws to enforce them (which was entirely within their power).

So when an event-character comes along, behaving perfectly appropriately given the location, era, and currently enacted laws - yet inappropriately given modern day values - people are expressing outrage...

If the players wish to truly do something, a riot is the wrong way to go. This is a game that they have control over, and this was a challenge that was presented to them in game and should be met in-game. The players should use the legal system within the game to pass an equal rights act and abolish slavery.

Keep it in-game, where it belongs.

Morons! (5, Insightful)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602669)

What the HELL!?!?!

As a role player, I've played racist character (both for human races and various clans and/or species), sexist characters (try playing a 150 year old vampire from the deep south with*out* being racist and sexist), sadist, psychotic, mentally deficient, masochist, martyr, zealots of various natures, and members of the opposite sex plus a dozen races, species and creature types.

What the *hell* do they think role playing is?

Role playing the concentration camps of WWII results in some very dark moments and the introspection lasts long after the game is over - much the same as reading a powerful novel or history of the era. It makes for powerful literature, which is what role playing can be. The strong themes of discrimination exist historically, and since much of role play (including this work) often pulls from history, to exclude those aspects is to whitewash who we are and have been as human beings.

--
Evan

Re:Morons! (3, Funny)

cmdr_beeftaco (562067) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602791)

Holy crap. What sided-die do you use to see if you escape the gas chamber?

Openly discriminatory language? (1)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602678)

No comments posted and the server is already Slashdotted. Of course the story doesn't say anything meaningful: "[...] a developer-run event used openly discriminatory language against the female gender. Details on the event can be found at the [host not responding]." So the question is: what was that event? Shouldn't it be mentioned in the story in the first place, assuming it is not only submitted to drive ad traffic to the website?

Hmmm (3, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602716)

Historicity aside, the last time I checked, at least within the USA, First Amendment rights still applied to everyone?

I understand that a large number of people seem to think that speech that falls outside of their personally "acceptable" boundaries should be prohibited, and sadly, a number of craven legislators have catered to this intellectually empty point of view.

Sticks and stones, stupid. If you don't like it, maybe you could simply turn off the computer? Vote with your feet. Play another game perhaps?

Boo hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602721)

What happened some bulldyke got up in a tizzy since she couldn't find a vendor with a flannel shirt and some birkenstocks on it?

Reality (0, Redundant)

Yohan Leafheart (824549) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602731)

Sometimes I get really upset about things like this. No problem with the game or the game master, but with the people that rioted. Couldnt they be less pathetic?

We are talking about a game in Ancient Egypt, in that time woman WERE treated as slaves of men. Then, it is obsviouly that, a CHARACTER in that time would treat woman worst then man. And there is no problem with that, he is playing a character. Now, Im waiting for a bunch of people, to starting raging against Wolfstein: Enemy Territory because there is people who speks like nazy there, WHILE PLAYING AS NAZIS in an Second World War scenario.

an eye for an eye (1)

wikinerd (809585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602737)

I propose to use openly discriminatory language against the developers.

riot? how? (4, Interesting)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602758)

How exactly do you riot in a multiplayer online game? I mean run around yelling? Can they destory buildings and burn fields? Storm the castle?

What?

This is nothing (5, Insightful)

Pan T. Hose (707794) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602760)

Discriminatory language, riots, angry people... This is nothing! I once heard about an online game where one of the characters has commited a murder! Can you imagine?

explanation of event (5, Interesting)

chollowayss (653233) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602767)

In the event, the trader was from a far-away land, not Egypt. He was role played as a trader from a land where women were considered property, and was just expressing his beliefs. And really, I don't see how it can be considered sexist since many males play female characters and vice versa. Another point that can be made is that there has been "sexism" in the game since it was first created, since female avatars have always been able to weave canvas and linen faster, as well as reproduce certain vegetables and vegetable seeds better than males. It's strange that only once the tables are turned do we hear the complaints.

How do you riot in a game? (2, Insightful)

3.09 a hour (812839) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602777)

/me looks angry /me throws a bottle a the ground I just dont see how you can riot in any game, i just doubt theres a system fo it.

IRC Channel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10602789)

IRC Server is #atitd on sorcery.

realism indeed (3, Insightful)

spoonyfork (23307) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602812)

Should games take realism to the extent that they deny basic "current" human rights?

Human rights are denied to the tune of millions around the globe each day. Can gamers truthfully cry foul when their "virtual human rights" are impinged? Go spend some time in Saudi Arabia as a woman, in China as a Christian, in America as an arab, in Thailand as sex slave, in an Iraqi prison as an Iraqi... then tell me how realistic the denial of human rights are in your game.

Riot or flamewar? (1)

Wesley Everest (446824) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602828)

I saw the article, and was hoping to find details about a bunch of female characters running rampage through the game killing people and burning down buildings. Instead it sounds like another boring flame war.

So was there any sort of riot or was that just hyperbole?

Not A Very Frightening Image (1)

milesbparty (527555) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602829)

This is actually pretty funny. A bunch of geeks rioting online...doesn't really strike fear in my heart. Really, try and picture it....HAHAHAHA.

It's just a game... (4, Insightful)

Wile_E_Peyote (805058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602833)

Let's not forget this is just a game. It is not some grand social experiment. It is a service that people pay for and when you type something out it is being read by a *person*, not an Avatar. If someone is playing the game and paying for it they have no responsibility to treat is as anything but a game. In college, you were payed to be experimented on. I think they have every right to expect a certain level of protection from this kind of insulting behaviour.

Would calling someone on another team a racial slur in the middle of a baseball game be okay? If it was just to get a reaction and not meant with ill will?

The "social experiment" of slavery and sexism has already been performed and it didn't go well. There is enough racism/sexism on the net without it being officially sanctioned by people who are taking your money...

When Online gaming becomes a contact sport (1)

apenzott (821513) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602839)

When I first read the headline. I thought the riot happened in real life. Kudos for the game designers who kept the "riot" to the confines of cyberspace. (I am sure you have played many on-line games and if some certain players were within 2 meters of you, you would have smacked them silly with a clue-by-four.)

I would hate to think how Uncle Tom's Cabin [amazon.com] as a multi-player adventure game would be retold without detracting from the setting and storyline.

I guess in this game (or any re-enactment) there is no director to yell "Cut!!..." so we can take a breath and step out of our roles and be human to each other.

Simple... (1)

Dak_Peoples (591544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10602879)

If you dont like it, then TURN IT OFF. Is it that hard now? Alas, if on would so travel to other parts of the world, we'll see how good we have it here.
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