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Mac OS X Panther On A 25MHz Centris 650

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the quaalude-vending-machine dept.

Hardware Hacking 499

Currawong writes "danamania, well known for making the most of 68k Macs, has done the ultimate, and installed Mac OS X Panther on an old Centris with 68MB RAM, a 25MHz 68040 and 4GB drive - an early 90's machine with about the same power as a NeXT cube. To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian, resulting in a severe performance hit, as generic emulation runs "about 500 times slower" according to the developers. On this approximately 0.05MHz G3 speed emulator, the boot screen has taken 1.5 hours to appear, and the ETA for full boot is almost exactly 1 week! Regular updates are being posted as each milestone in the boot process is reached."

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499 comments

Very simple question... (1, Insightful)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626403)

Why?

Re:Very simple question... (5, Insightful)

Chrispy1000000 the 2 (624021) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626426)

Because it was there?

Mu (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626428)

Why not?

(if I was cooler I would post this with user ID 0 or something, but I'm not that cool, so anonymous will have to do)

Re:Very simple question... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626433)

Simple answer:
because you can

That is a bullshit answer. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626522)

I mean really, what the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don't go around killing people just because I can. I go around killing people because it makes my dick hard.

Re:Very simple question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626435)

someone has way too much free time...

Finally! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626439)

The closest approximation yet to a Fagintosh user doing something intelligent! Yay!

Re:Very simple question... (5, Funny)

mekkab (133181) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626452)

WTF else are you gonna do with a Centris? Play Marathon?! Or Spectre VR?

Re:Very simple question... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626671)

w00t!

I pwned Durendal!

Taste my shock-stick flavored wrath beeyotch!

Just because. (1)

AtOMiCNebula (660055) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626458)

It's that whole "because we can" thing. Someone has an old computer, and figured it'd be pretty funny to let OS X run on their ancient system.

Pretty pointless, I agree. But still sorta interesting...or at the least, funny that someone actually cares enough to invest the time in this.

IT SEEMS (3, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626478)

That they are hosting the website on this machine, too!

Re:Very simple question... (5, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626467)

Why?

For those who haven't bothered to mouse-over that foot icon attached to the story, it's indicates that this story has been attached to a category known as "It's Funny. Laugh". That's the reason why this story made Slashdot.

Why this was done in the first place? Dunno...

Simple answer ... (5, Funny)

pavon (30274) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626493)

I don't know, but I want to marry her.

Re:Very simple question... (1)

SiO2 (124860) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626543)

Why not? Because one can.

h@XorZ stolded my megahurtz!

SiO2

Re:Very simple question... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626597)

This same dumb question gets asked every time, and the same dumb answers come up. Stop modding this tired old shit up.

Re:Very simple question... (2, Interesting)

Rheagar (556811) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626619)

Bill Clinton was asked why he would do something as dumb as get involved in the Lewinsky scandal. His reply was:
"I did it for the worst possible reason, because I could."

This is all paraphrased, but it helps to answer the question of "why?". It also gets to the heart of this story -- it was done for the worst possible reason!

Re:Very simple question... (1)

Josh Booth (588074) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626626)

I know! I can barely wait through a Slackware install, and a Windows install drives me nuts since they don't always work and always need you to hold its hand. Imagine what the install will be like - probably a month or two.

Re:Very simple question... (1)

RealAlaskan (576404) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626667)

Why? I'm going to go way out on a limb and guess that it wasn't done because she's too cheap to buy a used G3.

Here's a counter-question: why not?

Re:Very simple question... (1)

jasonbowen (683345) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626679)

My thought was, "this is news?" I guess that follows the why closely. I really think that with a dupe, posted the same day no less, and then the fact that somebody considered this news, means that somebody is imbiding at the submission desk today.

Re:Very simple question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626681)

Nerds prefer not to ask why, but why not.

Re:Very simple question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626694)

Other than having far too much time on his hands, this does prove a valid point. That it can be done.

A friend of mine has used pearpc to get around a firmware problem on his older G3. The firmware would not update, and 10.3 would not install on the machine without newer firmware.

Using pearpc on an x86 and dd , hilarity ensues.

http://www.skelenet.com/index.php?p=112

LOL (4, Funny)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626411)

I don't think I want to know what happens when you try to install or update fink on that machine...

Re:LOL (5, Funny)

Tod Hsals 5000 (824584) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626456)

and i always thought that trying to load doom3 on my abacus made it freeze... it seems i need more patience!

Re:LOL (4, Funny)

2starr (202647) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626482)

Forget Fink, you should try Virtual PC.

Re:LOL (0, Redundant)

2starr (202647) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626527)

Forget Fink, you should try Virtual PC. Windows would scream on that baby. :-)

wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626414)

T T T T, what begins with T, ten tired turtles in a tuttle tuttle tree

first?

Wow... (2, Informative)

interactive_civilian (205158) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626415)

Because its there, right?

Still as good an excuse as ever. :)

And in other news, I sat and watched plaster dry (5, Funny)

DarthBart (640519) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626422)

This one qualifies for the "Too Much Time on Their Hands Award".

Re:And in other news, I sat and watched plaster dr (1)

tigress (48157) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626512)

And I thought I was bad [foxette.net] ...

Yay! (5, Funny)

jargoone (166102) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626423)

the boot screen has taken 1.5 hours to appear, and the ETA for full boot is almost exactly 1 week!

Gee, sounds faster than my wife's ibook G3/900 with 128M of RAM! Maybe I should upgrade to this!

Re:Yay! (3, Informative)

DarthBart (640519) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626450)

No. Just spend $70 and get yourself a 256 or 512Mb stick of ram. You'll thank yourself.

Re:Yay! (5, Interesting)

jargoone (166102) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626539)

Yeah, about that. I bought the RAM, and while trying to install it, I broke the fucking memory slot. :-( Now I don't know what to do. I've installed memory probably a hundred times (literally), and never broke anything. I didn't exert any more than normal pressure. I still don't know what happened.

Apple won't help -- it's explicitly excluded in their warranty. Paying for the repair would cost more than I paid for the laptop. So I'm stuck with pretty much a useless laptop, unless I go back to OS 9.

My only hope is that the logic board problem in this series will rear its head, and that they'll replace it in spite of this issue. Otherwise, I'll just have to eBay it and eat the difference.

I'm pretty bummed about the whole thing. I decided to buy my first Mac and see what the hype is sbout, and this is what happens.

Boot Time One Week!? (5, Funny)

SillySnake (727102) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626427)

I had a windows system like that once.. But it wasn't emulated :-/

Re:Boot Time One Week!? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626519)

I wouldnt think a Linsux user would be inviting comparisons of boot times... Win XP is POST to desktop in 14 seconds on my machine. Linux takes 50 seconds.

Re:Boot Time One Week!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626623)

Takes maybe 20 seconds on my Thinkpad 760ed. Google for specs if you want to know.

Btw, if we can refrain from saying "Winblows", you can resist saying "Linsux". kthxbai.

Re:Boot Time One Week!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626653)

theyre both shitty. get over it.

Just because something can be done... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626432)

doesn't mean it should. 1 week to wait to be able to have bragging rights for something that will likely never have a useful application seems extravagant, even for the biggest geek.

Cheating? (5, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626434)

IMHO using an emulator is cheating. You're not really running it on the Centris. You're running it in a VM that is running on a Centris.

Re:Cheating? (5, Informative)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626466)

What's the difference? The first PowerPCs used a (hardware) emulator to run virtually ALL software, since nothing was native at that point.

Re:Cheating? (3, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626529)

If you're using hardware, I'd argue that it is native. Anyway, I find it far more impressive that debian runs on this machine, than OS X "runs" on this machine.

Re:Cheating? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626568)

You're missing the point - Mac OS X doesn't run on the old 680x0 Motorola processors natively AT ALL, only on the newer Motorola PowerPC processors (Apple only supports G3 and higher, but I seem to recall the original developers' platform used the 603/604 chips).

PearPC, however, will compile on a variety of Linux platforms, which will emulate a complete G3 Mac. But, obviously, the emulation is going to be ridiculously slow on a chip several generations behind the current :)

So, this is more a case of "because I can" rather than anything practical.

Re:Cheating? (4, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626595)

Flamebait? C'mon, people, get a clue!

Using an emulator does count as cheating.

If I run Bochs to boot Win2k3 on an old 386, will I get a Slashdot FP?

Shit, I suppose I can look forward to seeing that tomorrow now, can't I?


I appreciate emulation, I really do. But aside from the author of the emulator, no one else gets to claim geek cred from using one. Had this person really gotten OS X to run on a 68040, I'd consider it somewhat cool. Running it on an emulator, though? Here, hold on, I'll come back and describe my experience getting SMB3 to run under SNES9x on a 2GHz Win2k box... Woo-woo, rolling in the coolness now, baby!

Re:Cheating? (2, Insightful)

jrockway (229604) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626686)

What exactly would stop Win2k3 from running on a 386? The ISA is the same...

why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626441)

to show herself what it's like running windows

First Post! Nice but useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626444)

This I guess is a nice accomplishment, but relatively useless

Errr... (3, Funny)

AndyFewt (694753) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626447)

I sure hope the website isnt being hosted on it.

Re:Errr... (4, Funny)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626483)

"I sure hope the website isnt being hosted on it"

Considering it won't boot for another week, this truly must be a story from the Mysterious Future!

Re:Errr... (1)

mrbarkeeper (560018) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626591)

Considering it won't boot for another week, this truly must be a story from the Mysterious Future!

Don't worry, it will be posted again and again and again...

Re:Errr... (1)

AndyFewt (694753) | more than 9 years ago | (#10626697)

Well, whatever it was on has crashed and burned.. plus it was an aussie server. Dang.

Yes But (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626451)

Can it run Linsux?

See it run Open Office (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626454)

So how many centuries until we can see it finish loading OpenOffice for the Mac?

And the ETA for the TFA? (1)

KH (28388) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626455)

I tried to RTFA, but the site is gone... I already see obligatory "The site must be hosted on the said Centris, lmao", etc. As of the time of writing, I didn't see any comment...

And the ETA for the TFA?-Molasses in December. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626497)

"I tried to RTFA, but the site is gone... I already see obligatory "The site must be hosted on the said Centris, lmao", etc. As of the time of writing, I didn't see any comment..."

Wait two weeks. The first letter should appear.

Why the stories? (0, Flamebait)

Alcimedes (398213) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626459)

I mean, I understand that it's super cool geeky and all to do this crap, but do we really need a story every time someone manages to run a modern OS on an old piece of shit computer?

Why not just do an end of the year round-up of all them at the same time, rather than 20 stories spread out over the year?

Re:Why the stories? (1, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626520)

Or just make a new category: "Useless". This is when you've run through the main page and the several sections that are somewhat important. I spent a week and a half installing gentoo on an old computer, but I don't think it should be posted on slashdot.

Re:Why the stories? (1)

bob beta (778094) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626600)

Guess what? There are tons of people who run modern software on what you term 'old piece of shit' computers. Let's get over the bullshit 'my daddy bought me a P4 for graduation' snobbery. There are entire OSS projects [netbsd.org] dedicated to running modern software on older hardware.

It's cool and a fun pursuit. I just spent a bundle on an old 8080 based system and am about to start restoring it. Sorry. It's more interesting to me than case modding something I bought off the shelf.

Now all you need to do.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626460)

Is to emulate a Centris on your X-box.

Wow (5, Interesting)

bnenning (58349) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626462)

That is impressive. And it probably even gets around Apple's BS EULA clause that claims you can only install OS X on Apple hardware.

Re:Wow (0)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626498)

BS? Isn't that what saved them back when ppc clones were killing their business?

wow (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626464)

imagine a beowolf cluster of those...

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626616)

It'd be like a giant electrical black hole!

Could you imagine how badly it would suck... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626470)

if it crashed during boot up?

Ultimate? (5, Funny)

SunPin (596554) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626479)

If "has done the ultimate" equates to "has smoked crack" then, sure, it's the ultimate.

New Mac OS version? (1)

Alystair (617164) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626481)

When should we expect the OS X Sloth Preview (http://www.apple.com/macosx/sloth/) to come online?

OMG OMG!! (-1, Offtopic)

dustinbarbour (721795) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626484)

OMG OMG!! Amazing! She is so 1337! If I could onl come up with something as cool and UTTERLY USELESS! Why waste my time posting on Slashdot when I could install a Kenworth engine in my Subaru Brat!

Pain (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626489)

That's more painful than watching James T. Kirk play a lawyer on TV.

In case it gets ./'d (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626494)

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Who cares? (5, Insightful)

Radak (126696) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626501)

Why does Slashdot keep covering people who waste time installing PearPC and OSX on various already-incredibly-slow pieces of aging hardware? Is Slashdot really this hard up for quality story material?

Getting a web server to run on an Atari 800 is kind of cool. Modding a Roomba to deliver your Dr Pepper is nifty. Getting OSX to run on the slowest piece of hardware you can get Linux to run on is tired and boring.

Don't make me start reading CNN for my news.

Wow. (5, Insightful)

bratmobile (550334) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626504)

That's the stupidest thing I've read all day long. And I've been reading POLITICS all day long.

And on the other end of the mac spectrum... (5, Informative)

RalphBNumbers (655475) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626507)

VT has officially got the BigMac up and running faster than ever at 12.25TF with 1150 dual 2.3Ghz XServes.
Check out the announcment [vt.edu] .

I wonder how many Centrises that equates to...

Re:And on the other end of the mac spectrum... (1)

petsounds (593538) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626550)

Or Burning Library of Congresses for that matter...

Re:And on the other end of the mac spectrum... (1)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626557)

Ironically, I'll bet that thing takes a week to cold boot, too.

But you know... (1, Funny)

tgeller (10260) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626510)

...it's still better than Windown XP.

Re:But you know... (1)

jcuervo (715139) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626586)

Boots faster, too.

A useless and valuable exercise (4, Insightful)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626517)

Of course, people always ask "Does this have any practical use?"

Absolutely not. But that it not the point. In The Real World imagination and creativity are the driving force. How do you foster that? By challenging yourself and inspiring others. There does not have to be any realistic application as much as there needs to be a thought process behind it that can be capitalized on in the future. Experiments such as this drive the imagination and the mind into new directions and those new paths we explore can lead to really, really utterly brilliant things that can have a profound effect on our lives.

In school, a teacher once told me "Answers don't really matter at all. The process you use to reach your conclusions is the most important thing in the world." It blew my little mind open to the true nature of creativity and for the first time I valued it in a way that was truly profound.

Re:A useless and valuable exercise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626562)

Well, this isn't exactly valuable, because the only difference between doing this and installing Mac OS X on Linux on a modern machine is that this is hundreds of times slower. The RAM limit is not a problem as long as the kernel can stay loaded - it just means lots of virtual memory. And the CPU speed doesn't affect any of the programs.

If you want to apply creativity for no practical purpose, go for something like art, or writing, or pure math.

Journal (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626518)

OSX load journal: Day 6: Power outage.

And.... (3, Interesting)

penguinbrat (711309) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626531)

To achieve this, she's had to run it under PearPC on Debian...

Is the excitement here that Debian ran just fine on something so old, the great work from the developers of PearPC or what it takes to get an OS to take a week to boot?

need a speed bump? (1)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626535)

I'll donate my Quadra 840AV. 40 MHz, bay-bee! Ought to be able to get the boot time down to about 4.5 days with that!

I hope... (1)

The Grey Clone (770110) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626544)

I hope the power doesn't blink.

Watch (4, Funny)

headbulb (534102) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626545)

Watch as danamania gets a whole lot of new slashdot friends just because she's a girl...

I know I added her to my friend list.

Ok off-topic but I thought it was funny.

I Guess (1)

MrRuslan (767128) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626552)

Nothing is imposible after all...now wake me up when they get it to work on a mac plus.

Hy guys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626553)

Tomorrow's Tuesday, wait to post the Apple news then...

Do the Gentoo next! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626555)

What is next? Stage1 Gentoo install?

ha ha ha ha ha ha, XP on a 486DX66?? (1)

pbjones (315127) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626558)

ha ha ha ha ha ha, they should have used a 840AV, and got an FPU included in the box and 40MHz, (80MHz in PC speak)

Dana (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626560)

I'm sure I have the same question as every other slashdoter out there...

Are you single?

One week? (0, Redundant)

chiller2 (35804) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626567)

That's almost as long as it'll take their webserver to return a page during the slashdotting :)

Try it backwards - old OS on new machine (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626582)

Relating this to the previous article on the Spectrum machines - one nifty aspect of those "ancient" computers was that if (or better: when) the computer crashed, you just flicked the power off, then on, and you were back in business (ok, back to square one) in a second. Contrast that to the lengthy startup time of modern computers.

Computers are getting faster and faster, and yet boot time remains too long. Imagine doing the opposite - running early OSs on modern hardware. Startup should be fast, software execution should be a blaze.

And hey, old software or not, I did plenty of good work on a Centris. And it was the most advanced computer at the time...

Installing the Hard Drive was worst part (2, Informative)

VonGuard (39260) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626603)

I don't know if any of you have ever had to work on that 650 chasis, but it's a fucking bitch to deal with. The undercarriage is where the hard drive lives, and it's bolted to the outside, so actually accessing the bay it lives in is an act in near futility.

And they kept that damn chasis around until the 7100's...

Truly, an amazing feat to deal with that obnoxious piece of design.

Oh, and the sharpened metal edges inside the case are murder on the knuckles.

Wow... (1)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626615)

That has to be excruciatingly slow, even getting that set up and the software installed. A week to boot? I hope they didn't have to compile the kernel for that particular processor... What version of Debian is it, 0.01?

So in a week from now... (3, Funny)

DA_MAN_DA_MYTH (182037) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626629)

If someone trips over the power cord, or the power goes out, does she have the patience to start over?

So the G3 Emulates at 50Khz with PearPC. Bet she wishes she could have used Cherry OS [cherryos.com] !

Useless and Wonderful... (4, Insightful)

venomkid (624425) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626638)

I feel sorry for people who bitch about how this has no "practical" use. I can't help thinking they're the same ones who walk into art museums and make winning comments like "pfff, I could do THAT..."

I think it booted already... (2, Funny)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626641)

... and is hosting the webpage linked in the article... because the server is that slowww....

It would be funny if they install SETI@Home, and that weak machine finds ET's signal...

oh how the AMD kiddies will cry. ;-)

But the question is... (1)

spaeschke (774948) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626650)

Can CherryOS emulate it?

its not running ON the centris (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626659)

Its running on pearPC..

Its just a emulator.. it doesn't change the fact you are NOT I repeat NOT running OSX on pre G3 hardware.. You are pretending you are..

Now, that said, *great* credit goes to the pearPC guys for their work.. But please.. get the damned stories right...

I've done similarly stupid things... (4, Funny)

sakusha (441986) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626669)

...but not intentionally. A friend of mine once called me over to his shop to check out his new IBM PC 286 clone and a clone-PostScript laser printer. You can tell this was a LONG time ago. I fired up Corel Draw and did a few odd things, like a PostScript pattern fill inside a clipping path. I sent it to print and nothing happened. It was 5PM on Friday, he said he never turns off his computers, so we just left it running and left for the weekend.
On monday morning, I got an excited phone call from my friend, the page had just popped out of the printer! That means the print job ran on the laser printer's processor for about 2.5 days.

All well and good but... (1)

PhaxMohdem (809276) | more than 8 years ago | (#10626672)

Show me OS X running on my palm IIIx and I will bow down and worship you.

architecture issues? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626684)

i'm having trouble understanding how OS X can run on a 68040. i'm not super familiar with that chip, but i assume that, being an older cpu, it has a subset of the instruction set available on the G5, kind of like a 386 is a subset of a p4 or athlonXP. if it is a subset, and therefore does not have all the instructions of a G5, how can OS X, which as far as I know can only be obtained as binaries, run on the 68040?

I feel your pain... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10626696)

I run OSX 10.2.8 and 9.2 using MOL at the same time running Yellowdog Linux as my VM host. My 400mhz G3 workstation has 384mb RAM. The 20 and 10 gb "drives" are actually disk images that are served up via NFS from an AMD 900mhz Slackware Linux box saturating an overwhelmed switched 100mbit LAN. The Mac VMs never know that they are "just another job" in top.

You don't even want to know what my VMs are like in the x86 world.

As far as that 650, well I never loved a mac more than the old Quadras I had. I miss those pizza boxes. Those machines ran OS 7.x just fine, but that is where it stopped IMHO.

That user has got a lot of guts. =)
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