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New Hominid Species Unearthed in Indonesia

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the nasty-hobbitses dept.

Science 588

Radical Rad writes "ABC News is reporting that anthropologists have found the skeletal remains of seven hobbit sized hominids. The population may have been wiped out by a volcanic activity 12000 years ago or according to local legend may have lived up until the 1500's living on in caves and eating food the villagers would leave out for them. Also found were bones of giant lizards and miniature elephants. CBS also has the story." National Geographic and the BBC have good stories.

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New species explaination (4, Interesting)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645561)

The current explanation for these "hobbits" is they somehow got to this 31-square-mile island, and because of the habitat/food source limition, they grew smaller so that they cooled off more easily, and used less energy.

However, if they were smart enough to find a way to this island, couldn't they just do another island-hoping to a bigger island like Sumantra, or even Australia?

The article also mentioned "many anthropologists have argued that in recent years, scientists have been adding too many new species to the human evolutionary tree. They say scientists have become too quick to call what may simply be an unusual individual a member of a whole new species."

Maybe these tiny people have some kind of sickness (or just look tiny), and were therefore exiled from the main(is)land?

Re:New species explaination (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645590)

BONERS.

Re:New species explaination (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645639)

Well see, they were originally only out on a three-hour tour, so when their ship wrecked, they had no way of getting back because they hadn't packed the emergency supplies you would normally expect them to have.

Sure, they had one guy who could make a lot of crap out of coconuts, and they always had some celebrity guests drop in for some wacky hijinks, but they never could quite get off that island. Tragic story, really.

Re:New species explaination (2, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645642)

Maybe these tiny people have some kind of sickness (or just look tiny), and were therefore exiled from the main(is)land?

Maybe they just represent the Lollypop Guild.

Re:New species explaination (5, Insightful)

fatmonkeyboy (257833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645646)

However, if they were smart enough to find a way to this island, couldn't they just do another island-hoping to a bigger island like Sumantra, or even Australia?

Well, maybe they did...but that doesn't debunk the theory. Europeans found their way to the Americas, but there are still Europeans in Europe.

Re:New species explaination (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645716)

Actually the real explanation, as we all know, is that the devil put those fossils there to lead us astray from the path of righteousness. Don't spout atheist evolution nonsense on here please.

Re:New species explaination (5, Insightful)

greg_barton (5551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645899)

Maybe these tiny people have some kind of sickness (or just look tiny), and were therefore exiled from the main(is)land?

And this sickness also made their arms proportionately longer, created more prominent bone ridges above their eyes, gave them a sharply sloping forehead, and no chin? And it affected at least seven known individuals in the same way over a span of 30,000 of years, with no known fossil evidence of any "normal" hominids co-existing on the same island in that time?

Riiiight...

kk (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645574)

frlost

Hobbit Sized (5, Funny)

93,000 (150453) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645576)

I dig how they say "Hobbit sized" to capitailize on LOTR's popularity. In '83 they would have said "Ewok sized".

Re:Hobbit Sized (4, Funny)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645726)

Well, I guess a few years ago that woulda been "Mini-Me sized".

What about the '90s?

Re:Hobbit Sized (1)

mrtroy (640746) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645785)

What about the '90s?

What happened during the 90's again...

Damnit and those were supposed to be my "good 'ol years"...

The questions on everybody's mind: (5, Funny)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645577)

1. Is there sufficient DNA material at any of the dig sites to allow us to clone a hobbit?

2. Would they make good slaves?

Re:The questions on everybody's mind: (4, Funny)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645665)

Slaves? SLAVES?

That's tender young juicy Hobbit meat you are talking about.

Slave, feh. I've been stuck in this cave for three lousy years with nothing but maggoty meat to eat and you want Slaves?

Re:The questions on everybody's mind: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645687)

And the biggest question of all:
Where is the ring????

Re:The questions on everybody's mind: (1)

Chundra (189402) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645702)

No, but the legends say they make a mean waybread and an absolutely ravishing seed cake.

Re:The questions on everybody's mind: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645736)

Shireassic Park?

Re:The questions on everybody's mind: (1)

TheVoice900 (467327) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645850)

I think you're actually looking for oompa-loompas, so no luck here as far as slaves go... ;)

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645579)

First Post

Frodo (1)

rsrsharma (769904) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645580)

Tolkein fans unite! We've found Frodo and friends!

...

But seriously, Slashdot is the only place you would expect to hear "hobbit-sized"...

Re:Frodo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645759)

Actually the phrase hobbit sized is used in the original article...

This is so stupid (5, Funny)

lamp77 (147098) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645595)

everyone knows the world was created 6000 years ago.

jeez.

Re:This is so stupid (2, Informative)

Carnildo (712617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645763)

everyone knows the world was created 6000 years ago.

To be precise, on Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC, at 9:00 AM [wikipedia.org] .

Re:This is so stupid (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645771)

everyone knows the world was created 6000 years ago.


I'm waiting to find out how the giant lizards and the pygmie elephants got from the top of Mount Sinai to this island as well. And how did they brung the giant lizards and pygmie elephants?

wiped out by lava (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645600)

that'll teach those hobbits to burrough in my backyard

Also Found (2, Funny)

erotic_pie (796522) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645601)

Was a strange ring around it's neck, the scientist that found it was last quoted as saying "My Precious" over and over again

Hobbit-sized and volcano eh? (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645612)

Their Frodo should never have tossed the ring into Mount Doom until they were further away.

WOW!! (2, Funny)

WilliamGeorge (816305) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645622)

Who knew the Shire was in Indonesia!?!? I thought it was in Brittain :)

Re:WOW!! (1)

wizz da blizz (732631) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645824)

No, Brittain makes perfect sense, it's Mordor that's in Indonesia. Scientist think they died out because of vulcano activities in the region (Mt. Doom). This is just proof that Frodo didn't make it out of there in time. R.I.P Frodo Baggins

typical western culture whitewashing..... (1, Troll)

johnpaul191 (240105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645893)

once again they got you to think everything is based in europe or north america. it's like when you see Jesus as being blonde with blue eyes

yes, i realize i used the term "western culture".

Hobbit sized? (5, Funny)

cliffordski (748991) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645627)

How can anything be hobbit sized? A hobbit is a fictional creature; it has never existed. Now a troll...

Re:Hobbit sized? (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645683)

Actually a hobbit is a unit of measure, which is basically 2/3 of a dwarven unit or 1/2 an elven unit.

But the real question is ... (1)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645631)

... did they happen to find any rings nearby? One ring, in particular?

Re:But the real question is ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645733)

Some folk say that they saw a person take a ring from the site. When this person was questioned about the ring he turned violent, calling the questions lies and the questioners thieves.

Must be careful (1)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645633)

... anthropologists have found the skeletal remains of seven hobbit sized hominids. The population may have been wiped out by a volcanic ...

If they find any with a ring on their finger, they need to find that volcano and toss the ring in pronto.

Interaction with Modern Humans (4, Insightful)

pholower (739868) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645634)

I find it interesting that they could have possibly intereacted with modern humans and their "species" could have overlapped with ours, but I agree with the scientist arguing over naming a new species. Let's rule out any major speculation before we go naming new evolutionary tree branches.

Re:Interaction with Modern Humans (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645811)

I find it interesting that they could have possibly intereacted with modern humans and their "species" could have overlapped with ours, but I agree with the scientist arguing over naming a new species. Let's rule out any major speculation before we go naming new evolutionary tree branches.

Well, there's a reason we can't be sure of any interaction: they have become rare and shy of the Big People, as they call us. They are (or were) a little people, about half our height, and smaller than the bearded dwarves. Hobbits have no beards. There is little or no magic about them, except the ordinary everyday sort which helps them to disappear quietly and quickly when large stupid folk like you and me come blundering along, making a noise like elephants which they can hear a mile off.

non-human? (-1, Troll)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645645)

How can these researchers say for certain that these remains are of anything other than humans?

It is more probable that these remains represent a small group of homo sapiens that had genetic development problems, or some other kind of ailment.

Pygmies exist in Africa today, but are not considered a new species.

This report is more about research scientists getting more grant money than actually using the scientific method.

Re:non-human? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645828)

RTFA

How can these researchers say for certain that these remains are of anything other than humans?

The skulls are not similar to modern humans, but are similar to Homo Erectus, from which these creatures are thought to descend.

It is more probable that these remains represent a small group of homo sapiens that had genetic development problems, or some other kind of ailment.

See above. It is often debatable whether or not unique features (in this case size) represent a continum or a distinct species. It is not an exact science, and we may never know for sure. However, there is no other example of an adult human being so small.

Pygmies exist in Africa today, but are not considered a new species.

Pygmies are considerbly taller then these "hobbits". Also Pygmies are modern humans, the "hobbits" were not.

This report is more about research scientists getting more grant money than actually using the scientific method.

The findings are being reported in Nature, which has exceedingly high standards. There is absolutely no reason to make such accusations.

Re:non-human? (1)

sneakers563 (759525) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645889)

Presumably they have other features besides size that differentiate them from Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Pygmies are recognizibly H. sapiens. Note the article talks about the differences in the teeth, leg and skull shape from H. sapiens and Homo Erectus. If pygmies had the leg structure of apes and the skull features of H. erectus and Australopithecus, you can bet they'd be considered another species. They don't, so they aren't.

Fordo Lives!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645649)

err...he lived 18,000 yrs ago...

No no no, (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645653)

they just found some movie set litter from Peter Jackson and crew.

Nerds discussing hobbits? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645656)

I think I know where this discussion is going.

In related news... (1, Funny)

Artie_Effim (700781) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645657)

GW Bush has declared a state of EMERGENCY over the finding of WMD in the 12,000 year old ash layer. While he is not sure of the threat level these 'hobbits' present, he has ordered pre-emptive military action to protect America.

We know what these things are... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645705)

passed on members of GNAA.

Comming up short? (1)

thundergeek (808819) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645709)

I don't know, looks like dwarfs to me. I mean "Little People."

Mabye they are only a few feet away from finding the leader of the lolly pop gang!

Genetics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645712)

Dude, that's not cool to make fun of Indonesians, man. It's not their fault they're vertically challenged. :)

Not too surprising (3, Insightful)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645713)

When you have some species like Canine's that range in size from Mastif to Chihuahua

Re:Not too surprising (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645848)

Parent would be "insightful" if (and this is one big if) these "Hobbits" had been breeded for size (like canines). Dogs wouldn't have quite the range in size if it weren't for selective (and overseen) breeding for the course many many generations.

In a related find (4, Funny)

RsG (809189) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645715)

Among the midget hominid remains in Indonesia, a gold ring was also discovered.

"Antropologists are perplexed as to how a ring found it's way into the hands of a species lacking basic metallurgy or fire. One scientist was quoted as saying 'The precious, er I mean artifact, is a remarkable lovely find. So bright, so beautiful...' He was later heard to remark 'mine, mine, get away!! Filthy little grad students!!'"

Peter Jackson was not available for comment.

The Tropi! (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645728)

Here [imdb.com] is the best explanation of what was discovered.

The Tropi...Was It Human?...Animal?...Or The Living Descendant Of The Missing Link!

The sound you just heard... (-1, Flamebait)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645741)

was the group hard-on obtained by every Tolkein fanboy out there imagining their fantasy world coming true.

hmmmm (2, Funny)

SoupGuru (723634) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645748)

Evolutionary Tree Gets Bushier

Well, I suppose.... since they didn't have brazilian waxes back then...

Remake anyone? (2, Funny)

general_re (8883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645768)

"Midget Quest For Fire"? Starring Gary Coleman, Emmanuel Lewis, and that guy from "Willow".

Okay, maybe I'm all alone on this...

Uhm, is this April Fool's already? (1)

DataDragon (693231) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645784)

"Homo Erectus"? "Hobbits and Volcano"? Komodo dragon and "dwarf elephant" (sounds like a South Park episode!)

Sometimes I just can't begin to even believe this stuff, even if it is mirrored on all the "credible" sites.

Pttttttttt.....

In Other News... (5, Funny)

eskwayrd (575069) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645795)

Snow White brought in for questioning related to 7 suspicious deaths. Details at 11.

They're not new, they're ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645812)

neocons.

Plot for Sci-Fi Channel's next series... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645813)

Sure it sounds good, but it will probably just turn into another 'Frankenfish' or -- dare i say it -- Cube 2: Hyperwhat?.

I'm glad... (0, Troll)

marshmeli (122728) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645826)

I am glad Frodo died, I wanted him too - he was a baby and barely did his job in the books/movies...

Now if only Elijah Wood would die too, I can't stand him...

Hobbits? Too good to be true (1)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645836)

Well, now that hobbits have been found can wizards, orcs, and elves be far behind? I just prey they don't find a frozen cave troll and decide to thaw him out...

Hobbit Sized? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645872)

More like .33 Volkswagon Bugs in length.

nice hobbit skeletonses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645888)

DID THEY FIND MY PRECIOUS???

Myths and Legends (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645908)

I've heard that it is theorized that many myths and legends are based somewhat on fact. Could this be the discovery of the wee folk that are in legends through out the world?

Screen Antics (1)

MarkVVV (740454) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645909)

We had a screensaver about this species, there was this guy alone on a island...and he was very small!

Of course! (1)

Phixxr (794883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645912)

Why of course! What else would tiny people hunt, but Tiny Elephants! YES! Makes perfect sense to me...

-phixxr

Nice Hoax (1)

slothjammin (788409) | more than 9 years ago | (#10645926)

How do we know they weren't midget outcasts and banished to the Island? Perhaps Madmartigan got fed up with the racism from Willow and the little people towards the Daikini's.

Midgets (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645930)

What if they were just exiled midgets, or midgets that decided to dwell together and raise families?

Giants (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10645939)

What about the Giant Rats of Sumatra?

They have to eat all the time or their tusks will grow into their brains!

Firesign Theater rules!
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