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Pre-Election Discussion

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the let-the-good-times-roll dept.

Politics 2549

With the US Presidential Election getting started tomorrow, this story is your official chance to discuss the issues of the election with other Slashdot readers. And no matter what you decide, if you can, just get out and vote tomorrow.

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This "story" is click bait (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689521)

Ever notice the politically based "stories" get the most comments [slashdot.org] and a ton of clicks? Yes, that translates to ad money. No wonder Slashdot added a politic$ section [slashdot.org] . Maybe we can have mid-election and post-election discussions, too?

I remember when this was a good site for tech discussion rather than a huge flamefest. Yeah, I'll probabely be modded down for this comment, but if I expressed my political beliefs here I'd be modded down anyway.

Please mod parent up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689590)

The "politics" section on slashdot is nothing but a joke. It's pure clickbait designed to get ad hits for OSDN. It cannot serve any other purpose on a self-proclaimed "nerd" website. There are plent of internet forums for politics -- it's a shame that slashdot had to drag itself into that quagmire.

Re:This "story" is click bait (5, Funny)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689639)

Don't worry. All of these stories will go away after the election and subsequent four-week recount and 2 month healing period. :P

Re:This "story" is click bait (0, Troll)

frankmanowar (583879) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689649)

Oh you poor baby. I feel so bad for people forced to read Slashdot who don't like it and have nothing to contribute.

Re:This "story" is click bait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689650)

Ever notice how people who make generally trolly posts always had "I'll probably be modded down for this" at the end of their posts? Maybe it is there to throw off mods who will begin questioning if they are shallow or not.

Re:This "story" is click bait (0, Troll)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689653)

Nicely put. The other sad part is the "politics" section of Slashdot is 99% US politics. Yeah, thanks for largely ignoring the other 6 billion on the planet.

I don't even know why I visit this shithole some days.

Re:This "story" is click bait (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689730)

Maybe that's because it's a U.S. website. You visit it enough to have over a thousand posts. Wahhhh.

Re:This "story" is click bait (5, Insightful)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689657)

it's a shame you can't just go and create your own website that meets your demanding personal requirements...

oh wait, you can.

Re:This "story" is click bait - but it's topical (2, Informative)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689668)

That's primarily because it's top of the mind for everyone.

The tech areas are still covered extensively, including FreeBSD.

More to the topic, though, I'm blogging live [blogspot.com] on the current Center of the Free World - Milwaukee, where both the Leader and the Contender are right now - Good music, lots of rain, hot coffee and the regular blather.

Tomorrow night will be a long haul, with all the coffee needed.

Re:This "story" is click bait (4, Funny)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689684)

You can see the ads on Slashdot? You must be new here.

Re:This "story" is click bait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689712)

John Kerry will be the next president. You heard it first here :)

That's business (5, Informative)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689719)

Yeah, I'm sad to see the direction that /. has taken on many fronts.

I moved over to K5 a few years ago, and the same thing happened, only quicker.

Then I started reading /. again, because at least it hadn't gone as far as K5 had.

That said, the reason for all of this is the expanded readership of /. The only reason that politics is such a popular topic here is because the demographic changed. /. didn't change their ideals so much (any site that becomes a business is there to make money guys), the readership changed and obviously wants these stories.

By modifying your preferences, however, you can remove all of the politics stories from your front page. Think about it, by having a politics section, /. gets to make their cash, and you get a nifty flag to supress this garbage.

Be patient... (2, Insightful)

bergeron76 (176351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689523)

I voted early (last Tuesday) here in GA. Even still, I had to wait in line for about an hour.

Please keep in mind that this is the most important election of our lifetime(s).

Please just tolerate the the wait, and make sure your voice is heard.

Social issues alone... (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689561)

Heck, even the chance to kick out arch-conservative Rehnquist from the supreme court without a similar successor taking hold would be worth volunteering over... ;)

Re:Be patient... (1, Insightful)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689580)

why is this the most important election of our lifetime(s)?

how is it different than 2000 and how is it more important than 2008 or beyond that?

that's been one of the most irritating lines i've seen in the news since the "hubbub" began.

that and people voting democratic just because they believe in michael moore :-(

Re:Be patient... (0, Flamebait)

krem81 (578167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689701)

people voting democratic just because they believe in michael moore

Is that why a lot of progressives are hostile to Christians? ;-)

Re:Be patient... (4, Insightful)

slungsolow (722380) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689703)

Great point. WHY WHY WHY would you say that this is the most important election of our lifetime? Just to get people out to the polls? Jesus, the democratic process doesn't allow for "the most important election", it allows for "ELECTIONS" in general. All of them are equally important.

Don't be one and done. Vote now, vote later, vote all the time. Whatever you do, don't just vote once (except during each election, voting multiple times is bad).

Re:Be patient... (4, Interesting)

shelleymonster (606787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689714)

why is this the most important election of our lifetime(s)?

because the next president will appoint 3, possibly 4, supreme court justices. now, the court is pretty balanced with a good mix of conservative and liberal judges. the next president will have the power to either keep and disrupt the balance.

Re:Be patient... (1)

archen (447353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689736)

Please keep in mind that this is the most important election of our lifetime(s).

I doubt that. Every election is generally just as important, because even when it looks like there is nothing significant happening, our government is changing things which will have repercussions down the road. This mess in the Middle East didn't happen overnight - it's been brewing for DECADES.

That said I'd like to point out that every time the "throwing your vote away" argument comes up that people constantly say "this election is too important". So you're going to wait for the next election? They'll be saying it again then too. Vote for who you believe in, not because you don't want the other guy to win.

Oh, and lastly I encourage people to RESEARCH who to vote for in Congress. A lot of people I know are so tied up in the presidential BS that they seem to be oblivious to the fact that it's congress that makes the real decisions.

Remember! (5, Funny)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689525)

Vote early! Vote Often!

Yes, this time Gore is a shoe in! (1)

arcite (661011) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689670)

You heard it here first!

Re:Remember! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689671)

The Republican motto.

FUCK BUSH (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689526)

FUCK BUSH and first post. FUCK BUSH GO KERRY.

Re:FUCK BUSH (0, Redundant)

pdpTrojan (454023) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689565)

hahahaha loser

An Honest Question (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689528)

I want an honest option, I am really thinking about a 3rd party, the ____________ party, I like what _____________ has to say about the issues I care about. I disagree with him on a few issues, but they are not a matter that have been strong enough to destroy thinking about him. But on the other hand I live in a swing state. I am leaning towards the lesser of 2 evils, but then when I think of that, I get something inside my head saying "for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe."* I would like some honest thoughts, and please no "if you vote third party you are throwing away your vote" or "a vote for a third party is really a vote for (insert one of the 2 major party candidates here)" because I just don't believe that. Also I am posting anonymously so you can not find out who I am think about or that so it can not influence your response.

*2 points for any one that can name who that quote is from.

Also moderators please save your mod points for the respondents of this question, instead of this question it self, besides there is no point in moding up or down an AC.

Re:An Honest Question (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689587)

"for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe." - Martin Luther.

Re:An Honest Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689635)

2 points.

Re:An Honest Question (1)

955301 (209856) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689622)


There is a point to moderating your comment: visibility. Most of us don't browse at -1.

Re:An Honest Question (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689725)

The best way to build up your party is to vote for them in local elections where they are more likely to be noticed, and maybe even win the election. You can also support them by championing their ideas in newspaper letters to the editor, op-eds, protests, and other such things. If the goal is really to push an agenda rather than to put a certain group of people in power, your best bet may be to try to influence one of the major parties to listen to your point of view, and maybe get them to adopt one of your pet issues as part of their platform.

Remember that in the end, all politics are local. You may have a better chance of your party's platform actually influencing your day to day life if you can manage to get them elected to a state or local office. If your party manages to gain control of a locality, and the quality of life in that locality improves, that will be a far more valuable PR tool then voting for them in a national election where they are only likely to get .01% of the vote anyway.

Issue (1, Insightful)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689531)

After the elections are over, should the politics section stay or go?

Discuss.

Re:Issue (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689589)

Politics are not important every 4 years. Politics is happenening every single day. There is generaly something a normal citizen can do every single day of their lives to help out the greater good, or help themselves with politics. I say it stays.

Re:Issue (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689655)

I agree... most of us are concerned about copyright legistlation and want to know what people like Fritz Hollings are up to. Isn't he out after this election?

Re:Issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689636)

Your mom.

Re:Issue (1)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689662)

can we only voice our issues every 4 years?

Longest Election Season Ever (4, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689536)

I'll just be glad when this whole stupid thing is over. I'm so sick of all of the election coverage.

I look forward to seeing who won the election sometime in late December.

Re:Longest Election Season Ever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689721)

I agree. I'm starting to remember what it was like before the do not call list went into effect. I went home for lunch today and had 4 calls on my Caller ID, and that's just this morning. I 've only had 3 telemarketing calls in the last year. This sucks.

And by the way, all the calls have been for local candidates, not presidential.

Re:Longest Election Season Ever (1)

Cromac (610264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689739)

Modded as funny but technically true. The electoral college doesn't cast the real votes for President until sometime in December. The popular vote in November doesn't really, legally, elect anyone.

Ob. (5, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689540)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

Re:Ob. (3, Funny)

rizzo (21697) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689660)

I am Clin-Ton! As overlord, all will kneel trembling before me and obey my brutal commands.

End communication.

I'm in England and I'm not American... but... (1, Redundant)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689542)

I hope that everyone who can vote, bothers to. No matter what you decide to vote for, taking the time to vote is important.

Personally, I'd like to see Bush out of office, and I assume that if that happens, it'll be Kerry that does it.

Re:I'm in England and I'm not American... but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689679)

I'd like to see Bush out of office, and I assume that if that happens, it'll be Kerry that does it.


Well DUH. It's not like Nader has a chance.

Re:I'm in England and I'm not American... but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689688)

My brother refuses to vote. In our state clear channel was allowed to put up on one of their billboards "Don't Vote" to get drivers' attention. Well, it was followed up for "Don't Vote for [some stupid radio personality]" several weeks later after complaints. Granted there are a few breaks in the logic, but now my brother thinks his vote is worthless.

I guess all it would've taken is 500+ votes in Florida to change the face of the election.

Re:I'm in England and I'm not American... but... (1, Insightful)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689750)

No matter what you decide to vote for, taking the time to vote is important.

Only for the same reason that it's important to defend yourself against criminals. What is truly bizarre is the people who think it's IMPORTANT to vote. Personally, my vote is for nobody. Maybe nobody will get elected and the government will close shop and everybody involved will have to GO HOME AND GET A PRODUCTIVE JOB.
-russ

Voting for Badnarik (5, Interesting)

Liselle (684663) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689545)

I live in Massachusetts, where the outcome is more or less predetermined (we are sort of a wacky state that's solidly Democratic, and has a history of electing Republican governors. Don't let that fool you, though, Kerry will landslide here). So I've decided to vote Libertarian. While I don't agree with everything Badnarik stands for (free market can't solve everything), I am using my vote to try to put a spotlight on election reform. Anyone else in the same boat?

Re:Voting for Badnarik (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689694)

I also live in Massachusetts, and am voting Libertarian.

Re:Voting for Badnarik (4, Interesting)

crow (16139) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689699)

Yup, I'm also in Massachusetts. I'm usually a Republican voter, and I can't support Kerry, but I also can't support Bush for a number of reasons. Voting for Badnarik seems like the best way to send a message that I'm a disgruntled Republican.

Not that I agree with the Libertarians, but I would like to see their ideas get more consideration.

Re:Voting for Badnarik (4, Interesting)

I'm Spartacus! (238085) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689715)

I'm in Arizona, and we will certainly go Red*. As such, I'm voting for Badnarik with the hope that the Libertarian vote will be dramatically higher than it was in 2000.

Baby steps...

* If the decision was in doubt, I'd certainly vote Kerry as Bush has proven to be the most hostile to the rights of U.S. citizens as any administration since Lincoln's.

Re:Voting for Badnarik (1)

chill (34294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689749)

Yup.

Idaho is so far in the Repulican pocket we can count the pocket lint balls. All 3 (woo hoo!) electoral votes will go to Bush.

And both my wife and myself are voting for Badnarik.

May I be the first to say... (1)

elid (672471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689546)

...let the flame wars begin!

Here goes. (4, Funny)

captnitro (160231) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689549)

Let's do some unscientific polling.

Introducing 'Geek Code Election 2004'.

VOTE
(Bu)ush
(Ke)erry
(Bk)dnarik
(Na)der
(P e)routka

PARTY AFFILIATION
(R)epublican
(D)emocrat
(G)reen
(B )rown
(C)onstitution
(L)ibertarian
(W)hig
(J)e di

You work it out, I don't know.

CONFIDENCE

++ Like candidate a lot
+ Like candidate
X Neutral about candidate
- Don't like candidate, but voting for them
-- Really don't like candidate, but voting for them
# Better than incumbent.

and state. Group multiple elements in parens.

I'm a Ke(X#)DVA.

REMEMBER TO YANNO, VOTE TOMORROW ALSO, SLASHDOT DOESN'T COUNT

Re:Here goes. (1)

Teri in Hell (727154) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689683)

Ke(X#)DDC

Yeah, we in the Capitol always vote overly for the Democratic candidate. Though we do have a 6% vote for Nader.

Who does OBL want in power? (1, Flamebait)

rearl (262579) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689557)

I've heard discussion of the theory that Osama Bin Laden wants to keep Bush in power. Thoughts?

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (1)

byolinux (535260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689633)

Given OBL's dislike for the west, perhaps the fact that a large amount of the western world outside of the USA appears to dislike Bush a lot, then perhaps this somehow works for him.

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (5, Insightful)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689637)

Why does it matter?

There are really more important things than terrorists. Such as education, jobs, the economy..

There's not much we can do to keep another attack from happening. But there are things we can, and are doing, that will provoke another attack.

We should try not being the Global Police for a few years, try to make buddies with our allies that we've pissed off.. and just focus on the home front.

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (2, Insightful)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689665)

What's worse, that he has a strong decision, or that he's more informed on the issue than most americans voting?

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689669)

I've heard the opposite....

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (0, Flamebait)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689704)

10 out of 10 terrorists agree, anybody but Bush.

Re:Who does OBL want in power? (1)

strictfoo (805322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689748)

Yes, that's why he threatened states that go Bush will be the targets of terrorist attacks.

The discussion you "heard" is stupid. Both ways. This discussion is stupid. I'm stupid too.

Bush and I'm not afraid to admit it. (4, Funny)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689566)

Even while in France last week.

Re:Bush and I'm not afraid to admit it. (1, Flamebait)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689626)

Bush, huh? May I ask why? And please try to keep to the issues, and not a knee-jerk 'Cuz Kerry is a bitch'-like answer.

Turd Sandwich '04! (0, Offtopic)

bravehamster (44836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689567)

Vote for Turd Sandwich tomorrow. He's the complete package.

Re:Turd Sandwich '04! (0, Offtopic)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689713)

Giant Douche

Re:Turd Sandwich '04! (1)

buktotruth (651740) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689745)

NO WAY!!! Giant Douche is WAY cooler!

Unless you live in a swing state... (1, Redundant)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689568)

vote for a 3rd party candidate! Obviously the choices the Republicans and Democrats have given you are crap. Express your displeasure with the system in a way that will have no negative consequences no matter which of the two puppets you want to win.

If you do live in a swing state, I am so sorry that your TV has been taken over for the last while. Don't worry though, it will be over soon!

Re:Unless you live in a swing state... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689629)

Go ahead, throoow your vote away!

Why I'm Voting for Kerry (0, Redundant)

jak163 (666315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689569)

Recession, war, torture, repression. I don't like these things. I vote against Bush.

Re:Why I'm Voting for Kerry (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689666)

Saddam,

For the last time, you can't vote in our elections.

Go back to playing Rock, Paper Saddam [rockpapersaddam.com] .

Signed,

The US

Re:Why I'm Voting for Kerry (2, Informative)

MichiganDan (720608) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689677)

If you like your civil liberties then vote for Kerry. It's a pretty simple equation. Bush has done more to roll back our constitutional rights than any president in history.

You could be on the next plane out to Guantanamo.

-MichiganDan

Hey, wait, where are you HEY YOU CANT I'm just typing its a free country what do you mean its not Stop ^F^F^F^F^F^F

NO CARRIER

This election (2, Insightful)

DrJonesAC2 (652108) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689575)

Will probably be the biggest one in our lifetimes. Remember to vote and remember to vote for the best candidate not the lesser of two evils.

Go Badnarik!!!!

No more Bush (0, Troll)

mconeone (765767) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689579)

We have be lied to along with the rest of the world. Our government which is supposed to aid & protect us has foolishly abused its power. Vote tomorrow to get this monster out of office.

Re:No more Bush (0, Flamebait)

gregarican (694358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689707)

Not to split hairs, but did Bush create his own intelligence report about WMD's in Iraq? I believe the CIA had their own intelligence, British sources provided intelligence, as well as general UN intelligence. He based a tough decision on information that was provided to him. As to whether or not you agree with his decision...Well that's another thing. But the people who say that he personally lied are off target.

Kerry Victory (2)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689586)

He's going to get more than 300 electoral points. He's going to take Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

Plus, he's going to take Iowa. You heard it here first.

Re:Kerry Victory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689744)

This from a livestock fucker!?

Kerry's got such great supporters.

A Thought (5, Interesting)

TheMeuge (645043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689591)

Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything.
------------------(Joseph Stalin)

Please (1)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689596)

Don't turn this into another Bush is Evil, Kerry is Divine post. As of yet, I am still undecided, and am looking for some good relevant discussion as to what each candidate can most likely acomplish.

MOST LIKELY, not all of the gibberish they sputter, which typically cannot be backed up.

Re:Please (2, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689709)

As an undecided, perhaps we can start the discussion off with you. What issues are important to you and what do you expect to be resolved are revisted by the government in the next four years? The answers to such question ought to help you become a 'decided'.

Al Gore Invented Close Elections (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689598)

And with the Dems planning to sue no matter what...this ones gonna suck too!!!

Don't let Osama decide your election vote Bush!

The decision not to vote (1)

I'm Spartacus! (238085) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689603)

Not voting is a perfectly reasonable stance. If you believe that no one man should have the authority to unleash death and destruction upon the world, why would you pick one guy over the other simply because he will cut your taxes or give you free health care?

Please.... (5, Insightful)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689604)

If you have no clue of the issues, if you're basing your decision solely on superficial reasons, or if you're just voting because someone told you to, please don't vote.

Don't drown out the voices of actual concerned citizens who have invested a good amount of effort looking at all the issues and reviewing the histories and promises of the various candidates.

The governator... (2, Funny)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689606)

After hearing Arnold Schwarzenneger endorse Bush and in the same speech say we can't be "Girly Men" about the economy... I'm voting kerry.

Re:The governator... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689642)

Wow, that's the stupidest thing I've read yet. You'd base your vote on one stump speech. Moron.

Still Undecided (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689609)

Between Big Douche and Turd Sandwich.

Wrong candidates (5, Funny)

supun (613105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689612)

Can I vote for the judges who will decide this election instead?

Halliburton vs. Trial Lawyers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689617)

It is very important that you fall in line with one of the competing elitist factions that run America.
Skull'n'Bones ROOLZ !!!!

I know who they remind me of! (1)

World_Leader (635956) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689620)

Remember the old "Car 54 Where Are You?" sitcom?

Kerry, Bush: Toody and muldoon!

vote? (1)

cyanobyte (643838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689621)

I can't it it would take away from my porn time.

Daily Show says it best... (4, Insightful)

ntxb229 (542609) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689628)

Even though the daily show is "fake" news and is supposed to be comedy, I think the title of their election coverage tomorrow is all too revealing: "Prelude Recount" Let the lawsuits begin!

Enough already (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689640)

I'm sick of it. Nothing is going to change anyone's mind at this point. I'm going to vote tomorrow, and I hope to god I get hit by a bus as I walk out of the polling place so won't have to live through the next four years.

Should you vote? (5, Insightful)

chill (34294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689641)

And no matter what you decide, if you can, just get out and vote tomorrow.

The creators of that "Team America" movies (same guys behind South Park) got hammered because they said, basically, that if you're clueless don't bother to vote.

What say you /.? Do those that truely have no idea or opinion really need to get out and vote? Does having some (more) randomness thrown in really help? Or is it all just a ploy to boost the "voter turnout" numbers, so when countries like Chile get a 98% turnout, we don't look like doofuses?

Diebold machines (3, Insightful)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689643)

A simple question to voters of any preference: do you trust the voting machines to
A) count your vote correctly and
B) resist tampering until the end of day printout?

It just looks to me that with their documented flaws the machines simply cannot be counted on. I'm in the UK, so is the 'close up view' you've got making things look any better than I'm thinking?

Kerry all the way (1)

mikeporter (526673) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689646)

I think he will finish with between 290 and 310 Electoral College.

I'm voting Nader (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689647)

I really want Kerry to win over Bush, but for once I think it's important not to vote for the lesser of 2 evils. I can't say I entirely agree with any of the 3rd party candidate. There are some things I like/dislike about each. But I really want to help show a 3rd party (or independant) is a viable option, so I'm going with Nader since I suspect he will get the most votes of the others. So instead of "lesser of evils" I'm voting "most viable of goods"

Turd Sandwich (0, Offtopic)

quibbs0 (803278) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689672)

That's two votes for Turd Sandwich!!!!

stupid "get out and vote" idea (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689681)

If you live in New York State, or any number of other states, it's STUPID to get out of vote. There are 6 million Democrats and 4 million Republicans. Unless 2 fucking million Democrats stay home (unlikely) the Democrats are going to win. Stay home and watch the whinging on TV, or go vote for Nader, Cobb, or (preferably) Badnarik so the Libertarians won't have to fight the ballot access fight for the next four years.
-russ

one for kerry (1)

jeoin (668566) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689682)

I am one vote for kerry.

My Endorsements (kind of) (0)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689686)

I just posted this to my web log:

Over the next four years, who is going to be better for American, John Kerry or George W. Bush? Bush. While Bush has made mistakes (Iraq), there is no reason to suspect that he will repeat them. On every issue that Bush is bad for America, there is no evidence that Kerry will not be worse. Holding out hope that Kerry will keep spending down like Clinton or be a great compromiser like Clinton, is unjustified. It's possible, but there is no reason to think that it will be likely. Who is going to be better for the Republican party and the conservative movement? Kerry. A Kerry victory will prompt a reevaluation of Bush's failings. 2004 will be looked at, but more importantly, so will 2000. Bush's poor standing in the 2000 election will be looked at again with a view to what he did wrong to squeak so closely by Gore rather than beating him with a large margin. I think that conservative principles are going to win the day if the Republican party has its night of the long knives following a Bush defeat. What will be the worst consequences of a Kerry win? Supreme Court appointments. This is tempered by the fact that Bush seems poised to over-compromise with the Democratic Senators who have veto power on appointments. (Conservative Justices, correctly reading this, did not take the opportunity to retire while Bush was in office, despite what many forecasters predicted.) A Republican controlled Senate may well be able to get better compromises out of Kerry than what Bush would give to Democratic Senators. What will be the worst consequence of a Bush win? Bush will continue to morph the Republican party into a media machine whose point is to win elections rather than a party of principles. Who will I vote for on November 2? Bush, possibly. There is every chance that I'll change my mind in the ballot box.

Why doesn't anybody RTFA! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10689692)

This one's really interesting, honest.

-J

Bush all the way... (1, Insightful)

nberardi (199555) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689726)

With the new release of the Osama-Bin-Laden tape supporting John Kerry, I can 100% saying I am going for Bush. If terrorists start saying they are going to start attacking any state the Bush wins and leaves the states the Kerry wins alone, then I am for Bush. Because that shows to me that the teorrists are running scared at another Bush administration. Plus Bin-Laden was spouting everything the idiot Michel Moore was saying just adds to the theory that teorrists and dictators want to see Kerry in office because he will not hunt them down and give their people freedom.

Freedom is as an effective virus as AIDS, and Influenza. It is something that cannot be stopped once it is out in the wild, and it has infected the Middle East, and it is only time when every nation on Earth will be able to say we are Free, the way God (what ever you may call god) has made us.

Bush has my vote 100%. I think you all should give the canidate that has proven himself, instead of the one who hasn't given a single inkling of what his canidancy would be like. He only says his administration will "do a better job".

Well I say to you John, with that slogan, anybody in the United States can run for President. But I know I am not qualified, because I don't have the understanding of what needs to be done in the job and lay it out in an effective way for the American people to understand. But if all it takes is saying "I will do a better job".

Then I am announcing my canidacy for President of the United States. If you want to vote for my just write in "nberardi from slashdot.org".

Get out and vote and ask for paper over plastic (4, Interesting)

AaronW (33736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689728)

I look forward to voting tomorrow. One thing I am thankful for is that I can demand a paper ballot instead of the standard electronic (Diebold) one. I urge everyone who votes tomorrow to ask for a paper ballot, even if they are not available just to make a statement.

Even if you live in a state that is clearly going to one candidate or another, your voice will help add to how strong your state's voice is.

Also don't forget all the local items, where your voice typically is much louder.

And finally, remember that you're not just voting for a candidate, but for all their support staff. For example, a vote for Bush is also a vote for Michael Powell, John Ashcroft, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove and all the other people that come along for the ride. Not to mention that the next president will likely select one or more supreme court justices.

NIXON'S HEAD 2004! (2, Funny)

oGMo (379) | more than 9 years ago | (#10689738)

Vote for Richard Nixon's Head [gotfuturama.com] in 2004!
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