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How to Get Music Off Your iPod

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the delete-button-deemed-harmful dept.

Music 473

ptorrone writes "Never did we think we'd need to do a How-To on something which should be part of the basic functionality of a portable music player, but once you put your tunes on an iPod unfortunately it's a one-way sync unless you know the tricks for getting them off. Here's how to get your stuff off for free on a Mac or PC and how to re-enable a useful tool with a Hex editor." Cory Doctorow has been writing about this on boingboing recently; he discusses Apple's message to iPod owners.

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473 comments

Short-lived? (5, Insightful)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702642)

It's not that first time such 'backup' tool is available, and it's also not the first time Apple found ways to neutralize such tool by way of a new version.

Additionally, it's relatively easy (compared to ripping CDs) to do it on iPod because Apple basically owns the device and its content, and they can do a lot to force users to comply. iPod doesn't need to follow a standard format (like CDs must play in all CD players), they can set/change the format to suit.

The article is quick to point out that "We're also hopeful Apple might consider not spending engineering time and lawyer fees on chasing after applications and developers who just want to give folks an obvious feature that's being left out only to appease the RIAA. At the end of the day, Apple needs to know that we're their customers, too."

However I think the BoingBoing article sums it up nicely - " Apple didn't have any choice. If they don't play nice with the suicidally stupid record industry, the industry will stop supplying music for the iPod."

When/If these online music distributors have gained enough market shares (maybe 30% of all music album buyers?), they might able to turn around and force the record industry to make changes, because it's not nice to lose 30% sales overnight.

Wrong (5, Informative)

kmmatthews (779425) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702794)

" Apple didn't have any choice. If they don't play nice with the suicidally stupid record industry, the industry will stop supplying music for the iPod."

That's not what the article says, the article REFUTES that point, sheesh.

Re:Wrong (1)

hsteck_ylf (695640) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703071)

I think he was talking about another article that had that point. But yes, that is not what this article says or even hints towards.

You are so wrong!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703011)

"Apple didn't have any choice. If they don't play nice with the suicidally stupid record industry, the industry will stop supplying music for the iPod."

You had it exactly wrong. BoingBoing pointed out the stupidity of this argument (and he's right). Since you seem to be incapable of the 7th grade comprehension necessary to understand this, I invite the readers here to go to the article directly.

Really, this is a stupid argument to make.

Apple (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702648)

Leave it up to APPLE to big brother their users!

Archos (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702651)

This is exactly why I go with Archos.

Video, Pictures, and you don't have to do anything illegal to be able to keep your own music.

Re:Archos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702767)

definitely overrated... beautiful modding!

Re:Archos (0, Troll)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702836)

Yes you dont have to do anything illegal to keep your illegal music and videos, great thinking!!!!!!

Re:Archos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702979)

damn right my right to infringe shall not be infringed ( should be in the bill of rights damnit)

Re:Archos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703065)

flamebait? what kind of crap is that? tell me how else he got movies on his archos, indies? yeah right cut the crap, movies on mobile devices for the time being are all ILLEGAL, none of your modding or your arguing is going to change that fact.

stupid ipods (-1, Troll)

mothis2 (810193) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702652)

Thats why i dont have an ipod

Re:stupid ipods (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702707)

If you put a link to freeipods.com in your sig, you can get one for free and sell it on ebay.

Re:stupid ipods (0, Flamebait)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702717)

Well, mine was free, and this article was helful. So na na na na na!

Re:stupid ipods (1)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702768)

Helpful, even.

Re:stupid ipods (1)

RPI Geek (640282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702912)

Well, mine was free, and this article was helful. So na na na na na!

Well all those advertising companies don't have my information, and I don't get bombarded by even more flyers every day trying to sell me things.

Everyone will sell out for a price, I guess that a "free" iPod is a high enough price for a lot of people...

Re:stupid ipods (0, Offtopic)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702787)

There is no reason why this should have been modded down.
He stated a legitimate reason why he does not own an Ipod.

Re:stupid ipods (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703135)

Yes, but he violated an unwritten but well understood Slashdot rule: never never never say anything bad about Apple, Steve Jobs, or anything Apple makes, has made, or will ever think about making. Apple criticism is automatically modded down, and repeat offenders are IP Banned.

Story = Engadget Plug (3, Insightful)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702664)

C'mon. This know-how is easily found with ten seconds and access to Google--hell, just submit a query using article title word for word [google.com] and you'll get a decent result. This information has been around for ages, and there's nothing particularly timely or new about it now.

This story is simply yet another plug for the folks over at Engadget.com, submitted by Mr. Torrone [slashdot.org] himself. (Hint: he's with Engadget.) They're trolling for hits, plain and simple.

At least grant us the courtesy of a disclosure statement if you're gonna let 'em plug their site under the guise of news.

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (5, Informative)

ptorrone (638660) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702745)

did you not see the "we" with the link to engadget? it's pretty clear that i am with engadget. you might think this info is found in ten seconds with google, but a lot people have no idea which tools are free, which ones work and how to use them. if you can find _one_ article that shows how to do all this for macs, pcs and the hexedit info (again, all in one article that's easy to follow) please let me know. it would have been easier than spending a few hours doing this.

cheers,
pt

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702846)

Then Slashdot should create a completely seperate section for known site advertising and put all those stories there. Michael has a penchant for posting bullshit stories that come from authors that are either paying Slashdot off or that Slashdot/OSDN has a vested interest in plastering on the front page...

See here [slashdot.org] .

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (1)

turnstyle (588788) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702850)

"it's pretty clear that i am with engadget."

I guess it wasn't so clear to me either.

Was it a paid placement? Fark went through a bit of a brouhaha [wired.com] when it turned out some of their stories were paid placements.

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (2)

ptorrone (638660) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702934)

just to be clear, this was not a paid-placement. engadget has never paid for any placement on /. ever. i am not sure how much more clear it could have been that the article is from us. if you look at most of the stories, almost all are by the authors of the articles. and if they're not, it's someone not saying who they really are, any time i submit something i do it as me and make it clear who i am and who i write with.

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (3, Informative)

Pope (17780) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702872)

Free? Download Tinkertool, set all files to visible, then copy the once-hidden folder that's on the iPod to your local drive. Bam!

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (1)

Xuranova (160813) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703029)

Well I found the story useful so thanks. :)

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (4, Informative)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703061)

Phillip, I don't deny that yours is a good article, but in roughly the past half-year you've had 14 articles accepted, every single one of which has plugged Engadget. Of these fourteen articles, the closest you've come to identifying yourself as part of Engadget is the use of "we" in three of these articles. Other times, you've written stuff like "the folks over at Engadget", which infers that you have nothing to do with Engadget. Usually, though, you make no indication one way or another of your relationship with Engadget, which is just generally misleading.

Can you see how some of us suspect you of trolling for hits?

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (5, Funny)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702798)

trolling for hits

Then give 'em what they want. Hit the reload buttons, fellow Slashdotters!

Re:Story = Engadget Plug (1)

anothergene (336420) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702952)

Well, If it is true (and it is) they are on /. now so it seemed to work for them. Good or bad.

WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (4, Informative)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702675)

story link contains pornographic ads.

Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702966)

It does contain pornographic ads! *grr* Mod parent up please..

Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (4, Informative)

Exmet Paff Daxx (535601) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703108)

It's noon on the East Coast, this story is being read by tons of people from work, and a lot of people can be fired if their web proxy detects them downloading pictures like this [boingboing.net] . I can't direct link to the image because it's generated by a PHP script, but basically it's a topless woman holding a string to barely cover some of her nipples. You could get fired for looking at that at most companies, and it's on the main page of the story link to boingboing.net. It's on topic and people deserve this warning to keep their jobs!

If you must moderate me down so be it but I don't want anyone fired because a story reviewer was irresponsible.

Parent is not a troll. (1)

timster (32400) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703110)

I also saw such ads on my visit. This sort of info is important to those of us at work.

Re:WARNING NOT SAFE FOR WORK!!! (1)

fatwreckfan (322865) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703112)

I wouldn't consider a tiny banner for Suicide Girls, which doesn't even contain any nudity, to be a pornographic ad.

Far simpler way (on a Mac) (5, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702680)

On a Mac it's pretty easy to get everything off the iPod - fire up a shell, wander into the directory where the music is stored on the mounted iPod, and simply copy out what you want.

The tool they talk about would make it easier but even a novice can use a shell if they are just following directions.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (5, Interesting)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702785)

I don't know when we started being so collectively condescending to the average computer user, but there was a time when you might tell a user to copy a file on their computer and reasonably believe they could do it. These days, most people approach the user like you might approach your retarded cousin who was raised by ferrets on a remote island: don't tell them anything, you might frighten or confuse them (unfrozen-caveman-lawyer style).

Personally, I have faith in people, and when someone asks me how to copy files off their iPod, I show them how to do it with the normal shell commands or file manager interfaces. The belief that people need a WYSIWYG GUI application to move files between storage devices is, I think, a result of the incorrect and insulting attitude that developers are so much smarter than their users.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (3, Insightful)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702840)

These days, most people approach the user like you might approach your retarded cousin who was raised by ferrets on a remote island: don't tell them anything, you might frighten or confuse them (unfrozen-caveman-lawyer style).

That's because there are a whole fuckton of people out there who don't know, don't care, and refuse to learn even the most basic thing about computers (like copying files or not clicking on random attachments). The revel in their ignorance. Faced by such willful ignorance, the documentation guys took one step back, gave the one finger salute, and started writing in babytalk, knowing that nobody reads the stuff anyway.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (0, Troll)

Rocky1138 (758394) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703104)

No offence, but it's quite clear you've never worked in a retail computer or tech store before.

Trust me: I work at Staples, and this sort of behavior is perfectly justifiable. Joe User is a fucking moron, and they tell you that in plain English when they begin their question.

"I don't know anything about the computer! How do I get music off of my iPod?"

Well, there is some cause for concern... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703128)

I do point out how to do things in the shell to others and in online forums from time to time. But for example, one thing I was trying to help someone with was formatting a drive with FAT16 and an odd cluster size. I think you would agree that pointing out how to use format_msdos requrires a fair degree of precision and warning about how if they get the device wrong they could loose the main drive! I trust users to a point, but the shell can be very powerful so you want to be clear about what will happen for first-time users.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702800)

Yeah, I've read about this on the pop culture sites, but its simply fucking amazing that its even an issue with Slashdotters.

This is the simplest fucking thing to do...at least if you understand unix commands such as cd, ls and cp.

Moving files to the iPod is a little harder (as it requires knowledge of the xml to do so), but fucking shit...I was told how to do this by a senior apple developer just before I picked up my 1G iPod and his response was that the idea was to make it a hinderance to folks that were willing to trade files, but it was well known that if someone wanted to do this, they would.

I think this is perfectly legitimate -- they don't stop anyone from publishing how to do this, they do stop folks from making tools that are entirely designed around ripping content.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (0, Troll)

Hobbex (41473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702819)


So you have done this have you, or did you just decide that talking out of your ass would probably get you moderated up?

There is no "directory" that holds the music, the iPod is purposely crippled to split it into something like 100 directories, and spreads the files randomly around them with random file names. The only way to find the song you wish to copy, or, God forbid, the album, is to have an app that reads the iPod's proprietary database file and finds the filenames that way.

Such apps have been written, and Apple is busy breaking them for no good reason other than making life worse for its customers.

A special message for you - F*** Off (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702930)

Why yes I have actually done this. Because it's pretty freaking easy if you have a Mac and an iPod. In fact if you had some device like an iPod that mounted as a disk, wouldn't you go exploring to see how it was structured?

But I guess you're too bitter to actually be inquistive and can't imagine someone else knowing what they are talking about.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (3, Informative)

wazzzup (172351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702965)

I'm not saying you're lying but my iPod's library is entirely searchable with non-random file names. The file names on my iPod are in the thisisthesongname.mp3 format.

Just mount the iPod in firewire disk mode go searching via the terminal or make sure you set hidden files as viewable in Finder/Explorer.

Or download the handful of GUI apps that will do it for you. Apple disabled an iTunes plugin - not the ability to move files from your iPod.

Other note - yes they are split oddly (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702975)

But it doesn't matter so much for a few reasons. One is that the files still have id3 tags in them.

Another is that if you are backing up the iPod, all it takes is a recursive copy and you are done. Still very useful.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (2, Interesting)

JaseOne (579683) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702997)

Having just done this myself when I bought a Powerbook overseas when I had my iPod with me and not the laptop that had my music collection I can add my two cents on how to do this fairly easily.

First you can't see the directory the music is stored in by using Finder as Apple disables it but if you open a terminal you can copy all the files across from the mount point.

Yes as you stated this contains a big mess of numerical directories with crappy filenames but all the files are still properly tagged (you do tag your mp3's right?) so iTunes still works perfectly okay if you add these to your library.

After doing that though I consolidated my library and it brought everything back into a sane state with an Artist / Album / song hierarchy automagically then I just deleted what I copied off the iPod.

Quite simple really and with no third party tools or hex editing of anything.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (4, Interesting)

austad (22163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703008)

You are partially incorrect. It's true that the files are put in random directories, but the filenames remain the same.

$ cd /Volumes/iPod
$ find ./ -iname *portishead*

If you wanna get fancy, you can import them by checking the "copy imported music to iTunes" and do:
for i in `find ./ -iname *portishead*`; do open $i; done

This will reimport all of your portishead songs. I should know, I just did it because my hard drive died a couple of weeks ago and my backup was bad. This was the only way I could get some of my music back.

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703119)

You are just stupid. You can't figure out how to properly use an iPod so you blame Apple? Are you stupid or what? How much simpler does Apple have to make it?

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (3, Interesting)

lav-chan (815252) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702870)

You can do it just fine on a PC as well.

I don't know, maybe i'm just completely missing something here, but this article seems incredibly stupid to me. I just don't understand why you'd have to do any of this at all. Why would you not be able to get them off the iPod? In Windows you can press F3 and type *.mp3 in the stupid search box and it will list every MP3 on your iPod and you're free to copy them where-ever you like. You don't need EphPod or a hex editor or any of that, and you never did. -_-

Re:Far simpler way (on a Mac) (1)

DrStrangeLoop (567076) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702894)

On a Mac it's pretty easy to get everything off the iPod - fire up a shell, wander into the directory where the music is stored on the mounted iPod, and simply copy out what you want.

the only problem is to find out in which directory ranging from F00 to F48 the file you want is located. which can be quite a hassle, especially if your files are all named trackNN.mp3.

That's why real names are useful... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703055)

As well as knowing how to use the "find" command.

All my MP3's/AAC's are pretty well named, so generally it's not so much a problem.

Hmmm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702682)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

Looks like someone was a little overzealous with that hex editor.

"Eat shit and die"? (4, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702686)

I would hardly say that Apple trying to protect its relationship with the music content providers, which is the whole reason that the iTunes Music Store exists in the first place, not to mention the online store with by far the highest marketshare, is tantamount to Apple telling its customers to "eat shit and die" [boingboing.net] .

His preemptive rebuttals are also complete bullshit. Yes, we're the "customers", not Sony/BMG. And he himself admits that the record companies are idiots; yes, those are the idiots that Apple has to deal with. A lot of people think it was a miracle Apple/Steve Jobs got them even to agree to this "crazy experiment" in the first place.

Additionally, getting music back off the iPod is not part of the advertised capabilities or features of the service, period, and never was. Remember iTunes 4.0b12? It let you go both ways between every iPod and iTunes under the sun, with no limits. You could two-way sync every iPod and iTunes library on earth. Remember iTunes 4.0, and its internet music sharing? The record industry might not be telling Apple *exactly* the specifics of how to implement the protections, but Apple is under pressure to not make it too "easy" to "share" music on a wide scale, while still making the DRM and protections as transparent as it possibly can.

The proponents of things like iPod Download, and even the linked article, talk about things like stolen computers and hard drive failures. Well, in fairness, Apple does have a recommendation. You might hate it, and you might think it sucks, but it's to have your music library backed up somewhere other than your computer, and other than your iPod [apple.com] .

Further, as long as the iPod is just a freaking disk, its contents will be able to be retrieved. But Apple CANNOT look as if it is passively ignoring things that are perceived by the music industry to be "dangerous", whether they are or not. Yes, Apple can try to help the music industry understand, and even pressure them in the right direction - and probably has, quite a bit, frankly. Remember, this whole online download thing is in its utter infancy.

If you want to hate or blame Apple for "selling out", and saying that they should just tell people like Sony/BMG to go fuck themselves, and if they lose them they lose them, fine...that's you call. And no one is forcing you to use or buy any of Apple's services. This is Apple's service and products, and they're running them how they feel they have to to ensure the iTunes Music Store's continued existence. Do you think they WANT to make things hard on customers? Quite the opposite! And maybe someday Apple will have the leverage to start pressing these things with the music industry - Jobs believes people should really be able to do what they want with their music. But people also want music from the major labels, so you can't piss them off right off the bat. What to do? Frankly, I think Apple is in the right here, and Cory Doctorow is the one who can eat shit and die.

Apple really is doing customers a disservice (5, Insightful)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702752)

I think one important aspect to Apple's constant user downgrades of the iPod/iTMs is that they stop customers from doing what Apple tells them to do: Back up their songs.

Oddly, Apple's iTMS wants it both ways. They say they are selling you a license for the song, not the physical song. But when you lose a song, they treat it like you lost physical property, even though you paid an apparently perpetual license fee that allows you to have the song and play it.

If something happens to your iTunes library, Apple will not let you re-download those songs again even though the "Fair Play" DRM insures that their could be no piracy involved, since the songs would be locked to the same computers as the original. Tough luck, says Apple, it's your fault for not backing up. Naturally, one would think that the iPod's large disk drive and auto synch would be the perfect way to back up songs, but the schizophrenic Apple won't let you copy your songs off iPod. (Yes, there are ways, but Apple may close that back door at any time.) iPod owners are constantly having to ask on Forums how to recover their accidentally erased iTMS library from their iPod because Apple doesn't officially allow anyway to copy their songs from your iPod to restore their music. Ridiculous.

Their is literally no customer advantage to the Apple downgrades. And copying your legal songs is not illegal. I'm glad that Corry is staying on this.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702895)

Stores dont give you a new copy of your music cd when you break it with a sledgehammer now do they? Now tell me why apple should?

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702957)

Apple doesn't have to lose a $8 piece of physical property in the process.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702991)

No but they do lose money in bandwidth.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702992)

yeah because it costs $8 to make a CD.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703162)

Stores dont give you a new copy of your music cd when you break it with a sledgehammer now do they? Now tell me why apple should?
That would be because you buy both the physical property and the license when you buy the CD. And, in fact, Disney has a family friendly policy of replacing broken DVDs, so your premise not only a bad analogy it is also, in some cases, a false one.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702984)

I think one important aspect to Apple's constant user downgrades of the iPod/iTMs is that they stop customers from doing what Apple tells them to do: Back up their songs.
It is very easy to back up your songs, as they exist both on your computer and on your ipod. It's data. Copy it to backup media.

Yes, in a situation where you've lost the original computer drive, then you may need to get the data back off of the ipod. It's not that hard.

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (2, Interesting)

VidEdit (703021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703101)

It is very easy to back up your songs, as they exist both on your computer and on your ipod. It's data. Copy it to backup media.
There is no reason that consumers should have to make a 3d copy of their music when the iPod serves as a perfect up-to-date mirror the iTunes library. Apple's official policy is that they do not support anyway to recover your legally purchased music from your iPod back to your computer. Yes, Slashdot posters can figure out a way, but most people's parents and non-techie friends will have problems. Plus, Apple may slam the back door shut at any time. Then what?

Re:Apple really is doing customers a disservice (0)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703181)

The whole argument on whether or not this is an Apple-approved use of the iPod is irrelevant. Apple's iTunes application modifies third-party software on the system, intentionally and apparently without consent.

That's enough for me to consider *never* buying an Apple product. I left Microsoft for exactly the same behavior, and I won't tolerate it in a vendor. I'm just glad they have shown their true colors, before I made the mistake of investing in their hardware.

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702801)

Congratulations on coming up with so many logical fallacies and telling an EFF employee (Doctorow) to eat shit and die.

You are a true Apple zealot and DRM supporter. Your parents must be proud!

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (1)

mankey wanker (673345) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702924)

DRM or no DRM - making a back up is perfectly reasonable.

I was actually considering the iPod as my first ever Mac device purchase (although I have had some Mac hand-me-downs before). But after all that, I can hardly see the point. It seems to me that iPod just lost its supposedly number one reason for being better than the competition - the much advertised "ease of use." Without "ease of use" what is left beyond the fashion accessory argument?

Crap product. Move along...

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (3, Insightful)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703004)

Additionally, getting music back off the iPod is not part of the advertised capabilities or features of the service, period, and never was

And yet, it's standard functionality for all other mp3 players. Auto companies don't explicitly state that their cars go in reverse, but it would be noteworthy if one didn't, right?

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703025)

They sure as hell do state their gearboxes support reverse. So your point is moot.

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703149)

Why did you buy an iPod then? If you want this ability then buy one of the other players and STOP BLAMING APPLE FOR YOUR OWN STUPIDITY. If you cannot figure out how to do what you need to do then you are a moron.

Re:"Eat shit and die"? (1)

anothergene (336420) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703117)

I would hardly say that Apple trying to protect its relationship with the music content providers, which is the whole reason that the iTunes Music Store exists in the first place

The only reason the iTunes Music Stores exists, is to sell iPods. That's where Apple makes it's money.

For it to exist it has to keep the music industry happy. To help keep the music industry happy, they stop you from easily copying music off of you or your friends iPods.

Alternatively (2, Informative)

lakeland (218447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702700)

Just use gtkpod, and copy the music to and from the ipod using a convenient graphical interface. As for resetting the ipod if you've screwed it up with DRM, I find the following command works every time: dd if=ipod_firmware of=/dev/sda1. Not graphical yet, but perhaps in the next version of gtkpod?

USB Storage Device? (0, Troll)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702708)

Doesn't the iPod act as USB storage device? Can't you just mount it and copy the filesystem? If not, then that's pretty damn lame. I might have considered an iPod if it could act like a portable harddrive.

Re:USB Storage Device? (1)

rayde (738949) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702790)

you CAN use it as a hard drive, only you cannot copy your music from iPod to computer by just dragging it through the windows or mac filesystem. any other non music files (anything not in the itunes library) are a different story.

Re:USB Storage Device? (1)

oscast (653817) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702823)

You can copy items to the file system. Music files copied to the file system wont show up in the iPod's play list, but if you've got enough sapce... just dupe all your songs... one in the music library on the iPod and another in the file system.

It's No Big Deal (on a Mac) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702737)

I don't see why people go around downloading these programs to do it. If you mount your iPod, the songs are in /Volumes/blah blah's iPod/iPod_Control/Music
/posting AC, just in case

What the fuck? (5, Informative)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702741)

Seriously. This stuff has been common knowledge since the first generation iPod. There have been numerous softwares to accomplish the same thing and many of them can be found at iPodlounge.com

A simple google search will turn up more than enough results. Was it really nesse3sary to put this on the front page of Slashdot?

CopyPod (5, Informative)

phallstrom (69697) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702748)

There's also CopyPod for Windows which allows you to select individual albums/songs. http://www.copypod.net/index.php [copypod.net]

Ha, you should just use linux (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702754)

making a backup of your ipod is as easy as 1-2-3. Just backup everything in /mnt/ipod and make differential backups as you continue. Works for me. Oh, and I never need to actually access the music from my PC because, yes, I don't use it to play back music!

What, you can't do that in windows/mac??

Enabled disk use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10702771)

i have gotten my stuff off my ipod sever times
i use the disk use feature to copy all the folders holding the files.. then i use the itunes organize feature to let it rearange the files again into their respective foders...

Winamp and iPod plugin (4, Informative)

sielwolf (246764) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702776)

Just use the iPod support plugin in Winamp [winamp.com] . Not only does it let you sync and listen to your iPod in Winamp, it allows you to "Copy Selection to Hard Drive". There are still some kinks in it. It has a habit of creating literal album names for directories (which is a problem for DJ Shadow's "Endtroducing...". Windows doesn't like them ellipses).

Of course worse comes to worst I navigate into the iPod in Windows Explorer, CTRL+C all the directories and CTRL+V it onto my Harddrive. No big deal.

Re:Winamp and iPod plugin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703161)

Winamp, what's that?

It's not actually that hard! (5, Informative)

AmunRa (166367) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702782)

Just to clarify, it's not actually that hard to get music off an iPod. Sure, iTunes won't let you copy music off it, but on a PC, it's this simple:

  1. Enable 'Firewire Disk Usage'
  2. Open up explorer, ensure hidden files are visible and browse to the 'iPod_Control\Music' folder on you iPod.

Voila! - All your mp3s are there - you can even play then straight off the iPod (in something like WinAMP) if you like.

Admittedly, on a Mac you have to resort to the Terminal (basically all the music files are hidden in Finder), but it's not exactly rocket science!

How-To needed (5, Funny)

C.U.T.M. (595268) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702809)

What we really need is a how-to instructing geek nation how to get their iPod back after some scumbag stole it!

I cant beleive this is on slashdot _ (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702842)

For one thing, its been known ever since the iPod came out that you couldnt remove music easily from a iPod, but it was very easy to get the music OFF the iPod, just Apple didnt tell you how.

But regardless I dont see why this is such a big deal... it was never advertised as being able to do this, and it keeps the RIAA from being total bastards and getting a law passed banning ALL hard drive music devices... Hell Apple isnt the only manufacturer who does this to its MP3 player so why is it a big deal... espesially a big deal 3 years AFTER the device came out?

ephpod? (3, Informative)

cshor (111947) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702848)

When I had an ipod, I used EphPod [ephpod.com] to deal with my music (because iTunes doesn't run on Win ME). EphPod is pretty good on its own, and it has the "feature" that allows you to download from the ipod to your computer. You click and drag. Pretty simple..

What's the freakin' point? (4, Insightful)

NaugaHunter (639364) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702878)

Doesn't all music on an iPod come from a computer? Why not get it from there? The only point I can see to this is the argument of hard drive crash, but there's no need to damn Apple for not providing tools they never said they would.

Just back the files you didn't get from your own CD's to data CD's and be done with it.

Not that difficult (OS X instructions) (2, Informative)

Napalm Boy (17015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702882)

Connect your iPod.
In iTunes, select "Enable FireWire disk use." under iPod Preferences.
Open terminal.
cd /Volumes/<name of your iPod>/Music/
cp -r * ~/placeWhereYouAreCopyingTo
Note: this might not be exactly right, as I'm not sitting right in front of Terminal right now. But come on, this isn't exactly rocket science.

Damnit Apple! (2, Insightful)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702884)

This reminds me of when Apple removed the ability to share songs over the net via iTunes.

Rather than restrict sharing to say, 3 network MAC addresses, they removed the feature altogether.

This seems to be another annoyance for users who just want to stream their iTunes from home to a pals house, or musicians who use the iPod to listen to their own music.

Again, no trouble for those who would like to bypass such restrictions, just a pain in the ass for those who use(d) these features legitimately.

Re:Damnit Apple! (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703095)

Rather than restrict sharing to say, 3 network MAC addresses, they removed the feature altogether.

How quickly do you think that would last as a protection scheme? I've had 5 ethernet cards in the past two years. All of them had the same MAC address.

Iriver (2, Informative)

AlgorithmBoy (623532) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702885)

I just bought an Iriver ifp 795 and i can't get music files off it either. You can use it as a hard drive for other types of files but not musics ones, and only through the iriver music manager software. I hope somebody comes up with a hack for iriver products also.

Re:Iriver (1)

Shadow_139 (707786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703044)

All the Iriver come up as drives in 2K & XP, I'v used my IHP-140 and IHP-340 in Dos..... In the middle of loading and bootable Linux partion on to my IHP-340 at the moment..., Irivers Rock., not stity iTunes software, just plug into any PC/Mac and away you go...... Try that with a crap Creative Zen or Apple Ipod...

The Easy Way (3, Informative)

caerwyn (38056) | more than 9 years ago | (#10702886)

On a Mac, this is fairly simple.

1) Plug in the iPod and make sure it mounts as a disk. Note the name of the disk (it will be whatever you named your iPod, likely John Doe's iPod).
2) Open a new finder window and press cmd-shift-G. In the sheet that opens up, type the following: "/Volumes/John Doe's iPod/iPod_Control/Music"
3) Your finder window will go the the music folder. It will look empty, but it's not. In the folder *above* the music folder, the music folder itself will appear as a greyed out folder. Drag this icon to wherever you'd like to put it. The copy will begin.
4) Once the copy completes, enjoy the music.

Site Slashdotted (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703006)

But you can use Mirrordot [mirrordot.com] . Yeah baby!

Confused (1)

wldkos (795318) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703038)

Am I misunderstanding this article? I am a film student and I have classmates that will put video onto their ipods and bring in their footage via ipod to the edit labs, and then bring that edited footage back home... what am I missing?

In case of slashdotting: Apples Message (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703047)

PWNED!!!!!1

ipodRip (1)

dummkopf (538393) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703052)

once upon a time OS X 10.3 messed up my HD completely with the encryption of a large file and not enough HD space. that meant total system crash, and therefore mp3 collection gone. after searching around, i came across ipodrip [thelittleappfactory.com] which trivially restored my data off the ipod. costs $10, but then $10 compared to a whole music collection is peanuts -- and you want to support the smart guys who figured out to undo the weirdness of the ipod filesystem...

*sighs* (3, Interesting)

admanb (824304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703060)

It's like everyone was just waiting around for Apple to do something like this, and now that they've done it, no matter how minisculy important it is, OMFG APPLE IS FORCE-FEEDING US FECES.

There's dozens of programs out there that let you download from an iPod (so many have been linked already that I won't even bother) the one difference between all those and iPod Download? iPod Download is an iTunes plug-in. Is it really a stretch to imagine the RIAA pulling their music from the iTMS (or even suing Apple) when they see iTunes being used for "illegal file sharing"?

If Microsoft did this.... (2, Insightful)

Argyle (25623) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703066)

If Microsoft did this, all of Slashdot would be outraged and ranting about evilness and what not.

Apple does it and people come out of the woodwork to defend them and find work-arounds.

Why is buying an Apple iPod is any different than buying an MP3 player laden with Microsoft DRM?

Netcraft Confirms: GNAA is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703081)

Duh. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703094)

Well, Apple's not on your side, even if you're an Apple customer.

Really? You just noticed this?

The Apple ][ owners knew this.
The Newton Owners know all about "being Steved"
And TAM owners know that Rhapsody^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMac OS X doesn't work on their machines.

Why would anyone expect something different from Apple THIS time around?

Few companies are 'on your side'.

iPod firmware queries GP2 pin for unenc. download! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703098)

Dr. Carlyle stared at the nude thai girls sitting on the beds but
his gaze was not filled sexual desire. He had walked into the room
with two brisk strides and ordered the girls to push down the
blankets so he could inspect their breasts. All of the girls except
14-year old Nutina the oldest of the six girls had complied when
the Dr. Carlyle barked the order in Thai. Her disobedience was
immediately rewarded by a harsh slap by the into the face and her blanket
ripped down exposing her large breasts. Nutinas mouth opened in amazement
at the brutality her non-compliance had elicited from the quiet grey
bearded man and then surprise gave way to tears that ran down the sides
of her cheeks. Nutina's breasts were far larger than usual for a girl of
her ethnicity and age. Dr. Carlyle pushed her back into her bed and placed
both of her arms behind her head into a supine position. He pushed a
pillow below her back and began to palpate her breasts and her arm pits
savoring the satisfaction of her tender lymph nodes being detectable by
his professional fingertips.

The door unlocked again and more people and a woman and a man entered the
room pushing a cart. Nutina was breathing hard and hot sweat began to run
down her head. Somehow she had hoped that she and the other girls had been
sold for sex but deep down inside she knew that she had been sold to a
cruel fate when she saw Jim pocket a huge wad of cash. Jim, the man that
owned them on the streets of Pattaya had not just rented them out for
the weekend, he had sold them for good and helped them herd the crying
girls into the van of the Americans.

Dr. Carlyle's bent over and started to squeeze the girls nipples hard
between the thumb and index thinger of his right hand. The girl squirmed
in discomfort and as usual the Doctor wished the breast he was examining
wasn't attached to a girl. He would have vastly preferred the girl to be
dead offering up the lymph tissue of her breast without protest but this
experiment required her short-term survival. Dr. Carlyle stepped back from
the bed and nodded to the male orderly. Immediately the man grabbed Nutina
by her hands while the nurse injected her. Nutina shrieked and began to
cry pleading with them to stop. Fifteen seconds later her crying had subsided
into sobbing and then the narcotic took full hold of the Thai teenager.
Dr. Carlyle put her arms back into the supine position and sprayed her chest
with alcohol. He then opened a casket on top of the cart and slowly began
to insert needle after needle into Nutina's breast, starting with her aureola
and working his way to the sides of her breast submerging all of the pins
all the way into her soft breasts. When Dr. Carlyle had finished with her
breast he began to insert needles deep into her arms pit. "The radium needles
are going to make you a very sick girl", Dr. Carlyle whispered into the ears
of the tranquilized girl. Satisfied with his work he got up. "Tie them all
to their beds and make double sure she can't get at the needles" Dr. Carlyle
ordered and left the room.

Dr. Carlyle sat in his office and closed his eyes for a moment. He had been
working on Novartis projects in Thailand for years but despite the
airconditioning the humidity of the country sapped the strength out of him.
He began to daydream. Dr. Carlyle's specialities wasn't treating cancer,
Dr. Carlyle's interest lay in causing it and making it flourish. Novartis
interests were making it appear and disappear in a certain percentage of
people. In a few minutes he would start inserting needles into the another
two of the girls. The other three girls would have receive the new
cytotoxine injected into their lymph nodes. He chuckled and wondered what
would get to the finishline first? Radiation or chemotherapy?

easy.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10703107)

Just go do a find in Windows and Search for hidden files and *.mp3 and search only in the mounted drive and all of your mp3's will show up in find results

No one is forcing you to buy an iPod (1, Insightful)

syousef (465911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703131)

If you don't like what Apple is doing (and this is certainly not the first time they've done something I don't like) then don't buy their products. Don't hack the damn player just so you can have your own music. Vote with your feet. It's the only way they'll get the message.

The iPod was the only Apple device I'd considered buying in about 20 years. (I learnt my lesson from the way I was treated with my last purchase which was an Apple IIe). Its this sort of nonesense that means I won't do it. Other players are coming out and I doubt the iPods stranglehold on the market will continue.

root is root (1)

rihock (680776) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703144)

Sorry to say it, but root is root. Apple can try to make it harder, but its Unix. I think alot of the posters are more worried about an easy way to catalog the music as opposed to just getting the music off the ipod. There is a distinct difference.

unless Apple breaks find.... (2, Informative)

Genady (27988) | more than 9 years ago | (#10703175)

cd /Volumes/iPod; find . -name '*.mp3' -exec cp {} /Users/taco/Music/iPodJunk
How hard is that? Please. I remember when Slashdot used to be populated with nerds and talked about stuff that mattered. Not whiners that couldn't open a shell.
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