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Standards-Based CSS/XHTML Slide Show

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the look-ma-no-powerpoint dept.

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sootman writes "Eric Meyer, the man behind the famous Complex Spiral (CSS) Demo page, is at it again. He has created S5, "a slide show format based entirely on XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript." As he says, "With one file, you can run a complete slide show and have a printer-friendly version as well. The markup used for the slides is very simple, highly semantic, and completely accessible." So it can be used for PowerPoint-like work and the show responds to a variety of input--you can go to the next slide by pressing Return, Right, Space, etc. It is being released under a Creative Commons license. So fire up our favorite standards-compliant browser and check it out!"

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A New Record .. (5, Funny)

z0ink (572154) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706864)

No posts and already slashdotted.

Re:A New Record .. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706868)

Brilliant moderators. How does a first post get modded as redundant? Criminy.

Re:A New Record .. (-1, Offtopic)

wcdw (179126) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706880)

Well of COURSE it's redundant - I mean, heck, the SECOND post says exactly the same thing, right??? /. gets worse and worse, and the anti-slashdotters are only making things worse, not better.

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Re:A New Record .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706894)

Not to mention the fact that anyone that tried to visit the link already knows. Oh wait, I forgot people don't RTFA.

Re:A New Record .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706926)

RTFA? That's a capital crime here or something, isn't it?

Re:A New Record .. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708380)

stop these first-post-already-slashdotted people! PLEASE! They 're like happy puppies humping /.'s leg because they've got nothing better to say.

And these posts still get modded funny?? Redundant, yes ... Offtopic, yes ... Funny, NOT ANYMORE!

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Kevin_Peters (698630) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706865)

Already /.'ed, apparently.

1st Slide (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706867)

First Slide

copy/paste (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706883)

Here's a paste of the homepage, since it's totally slashdotted.

S5: A Simple Standards-Based Slide Show System

S5 is a slide show format based entirely on XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript. With one file, you can run a complete slide show and have a printer-friendly version as well. The markup used for the slides is very simple, highly semantic, and completely accessible. Anyone with even a smidgen of familiarity with HTML or XHTML can look at the markup and figure out how to adapt it to their particular needs. Anyone familiar with CSS can create their own slide show theme. It's totally simple, and it's totally standards-driven.

As a bonus, its markup is compatible with the Opera Show Format, and S5 is engineered to be displayed using Opera Show when a presenation is run using Opera.

If you'd like to see S5 in action, go ahead and run through the introductory slide show [meyerweb.com] (also available as an 95KB ZIP archive [meyerweb.com] , the size of which is due to the presence of several images in the slide show). Feel free to try any of the features. For example, you can hit the space bar to advance to the next slide. Or use the right arrow, the down arrow, hit Return... any of these will work. The other features will be explained in, or else demonstrated by, the slide show itself.

If you like the general idea of S5 but don't like the theme used for the intorductory slide show, then fear not: there are already a number of themes [meyerweb.com] available, and you can of course always create your own.

If you have a hankerin' to know more about how this system works, exactly, we have a few resources that might help.

  • A Basic Primer in Using S5 [meyerweb.com] pretty much what it sounds like.
  • S5 Reference [meyerweb.com] a full reference describing what markup is required, what is recommended, and what is optional in an S5 presentation file.
  • Minimal S5 Structure [meyerweb.com] a guide to the absolute bare minimum markup used in an S5 slide file.
  • S5 File Map [meyerweb.com] explains what files are where, and what each one does.
  • S5 FAQ [meyerweb.com] it may not answer all your questions, but it will answer the common ones. The uncommon ones you'll have to send in.

Please also visit the thanks and acknowledgments [meyerweb.com] page, which lists the people who helped improve S5 beyond what I ever could have done myself.

Re:copy/paste (4, Funny)

Slime-dogg (120473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706985)

As a bonus, its markup is compatible with the Opera Show Format

After it gets it's first bloat-ware patch, it'll be Oprah Show compatible too!

I'm here all week.

Re:copy/paste (1)

mrbarkeeper (560018) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707447)

After it gets it's first bloat-ware patch, it'll be Oprah Show compatible too!

But... does it come with A NEW CAR??

Re:copy/paste (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707705)

Wow, a post on slashdot moderated funny that was actually funny.

slashdotted (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706884)

news for nerds

Google Cache Links for 'ya ... (5, Informative)

xmas2003 (739875) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706888)

Since it appears to be /.'ed, here a Google Cache of the Demo Page [66.102.7.104] and the S5 page [66.102.7.104]

Re:Google Cache Links for 'ya ... (1)

cuteseal (794590) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707149)

Noooo... you'll slashdot google too! (j/k) :)

Meyerweb is always great (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706892)

Eric Meyer's site is always pretty interesting to watch, at least for web geeks like me (you know, the type who actually read the DTDs for the html and xhtml specs and play with css daily). S5 has been under development for awhile, and I hadnt gotten a chance to see it yet....

Of course, thanks to slashdot, looks like I'll have to wait till tomarrow

Mirror (5, Informative)

dancedance (600701) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706895)

Here is a mirror [geocities.com] of the zip file that you can test locally.

Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707473)

A geocities mirror... thanks. Your kids going to get a roll of quarters to go to college? =P

Mirror of demo .zip (3, Informative)

timothv (730957) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706897)

Re:Mirror of demo .zip (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707238)

ty

Well, since I can't get to the article... (-1, Offtopic)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706907)

I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Bush fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of http://www.georgewbush.com [georgewbush.com] (blocked outside of the U.S) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to explain to me that Bush is doing a great job, the economy is stronger than ever, that he has never made a mistake in judgement, and that America is safer under his fascist rule. 20 minutes. At home, I can see one hundred reasons [thenation.com] why Bush is unfit for duty, which by all standards should be reason for his impeachment. If not worse.

In addition, during this fear driven propaganda-fest, free speech is confused with anti-Americanism. And everything else that has made the US a great place to live has ground to a halt. Even the ill-conceived 'freedom zones' are getting further and further away from this war-happy candidate as I type this, and that is ignoring the massive vote fraud, and voter intimidation.

I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while listening to mouth-breathers spouting Republican talking points, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Republican machine that has run faster from the truth, all the while tossing 'loyalty pledges' and cease and desist orders at anyone who may disagree, despite the millions of people who share the need to be rid of this administration. My Tandy 102 with 32k of RAM demonstrates more resolve and better judgment than Bush most times. From a leadership standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that Bush is a superior candidate for president.

Bush addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to vote for Bush over other more truthful, reasoned, smarter and stable candidates. --

Re:Well, since I can't get to the article... (-1, Offtopic)

erick99 (743982) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706936)

You are hopelessly socialistic and very antagonistic. It is quite "in" to be anti-American these days and you are on that bandwagon in a big way. It takes free speech to be anti-American so no, I am not confusing the two. You set up numerous straw man arugments and then dare someone to debate with you. If Kerry wins, then you will find Republicans taking the same pot shots at you from afar where it is safe. I suspect you are fairly young from the tone of your post. If you are not fairly young, then you have grown up poorly in wisdom and judgement.

Re:Well, since I can't get to the article... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706968)

Actually, he's posting an old Mac troll.

Re:Well, since I can't get to the article... (-1, Offtopic)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706939)

Yes you are trying to start a holy war.
And what the hell does this have to do with CSS. You freaking nut case Slashdot created a politics section just for this kind of rant. Go away now.

And (0, Redundant)

cubicledrone (681598) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706909)

It still doesn't work in IE

Re:And (4, Insightful)

FuzzyBad-Mofo (184327) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707159)

Perhaps you should ask your software vendor to make a more standards compliant browser?

Re:And (1)

Hynee (774168) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708689)

Perhaps you should ask your software vendor to make a more standards compliant browser?

I've been through this before on webdesignforums [webdesignforums.net] . It's an endless argument, but basically IE chooses not to support all of CSS, but a fairly sizeable subset, and there's lots of cool things in the CSS IE misses out on.

I've concluded that since IE represents 90-95% of the browser market, it is the defacto standard. That's a trap that open standards like CSS can fall into. Saying "but IE isn't standards complient" is common, but only really makes sense to people who say the same thing.

Re:And (1)

SammyTheSnake (630196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708887)

Oh No! My browser isn't standards compliant because it doesn't implement all the standard security holes and bugs!!! Cheers & God bless Sam "SammyTheSarky" Penny

Re:And (4, Insightful)

griffjon (14945) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707194)

Well, duh, it's standards compliant.

Re:And (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707340)

I had it work in IE, but only after telling it that it was a safe site that I trusted...

I don't know if this is because I ran it locally (and it looks like it trys to find domain/time info) or not, but it could be a barrier to utility.

Re:And (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708280)

I've found mos of my own Javascripts tend to only work after I say they're trusted. If this is but a glimpse of what Palladin has install for us I think I'll be learning how to run Linux VERY quickly.

Please RTFA. [was Re:And] (1)

codergeek42 (792304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707373)

Despite some claims to the contrary, IE6/Win's rendering of this page is not correct,

Re:And (1)

elcugo (768861) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707525)

It doesn't work in Konqueror either...

Windows Users can use CityDesk (3, Informative)

bheer (633842) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706916)

... in case they want a GUI to create those presentations. CityDesk's free edition [joelonsoftware.com] is enough for most presentations.

Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standards? (5, Interesting)

Corporate Gadfly (227676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706925)

Wow... the irony. Slashdot is talking about standards. Isn't it about time that /. itself should be standards compliant?

BTW, to make this comment on topic, the slideshow looks pretty decent, but I wouldn't consider this ground breaking stuff. Eric Krock (netscape technology evangelist) was doing these sort of presentations [mozilla.org] in the 1998/1999 timeframe.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (2, Informative)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706982)

I beleive Slashdot is standards compliant. HTML 3.2, according to its !DOCTYPE.
Now if only some-one could come up with a HTML 3.2 standards compliant browser.
More standards support, I say! (Yes, I use FireFox)

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (3, Insightful)

fossa (212602) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707153)

Well, technically perhaps but not really in spirit. You could certainly say I'm biased toward a certain view of how markup language *should* be used... But take a look at the slashdot html: Let's see, the Slashdot logo at the top, maybe call it a toplevel heading? Nope, it's table data. The headline above each article, perhaps we should call it a second level heading using? Nope, table data. The paragraph summary of each article? Table data.

It may be technically correct, but lying to my browser about what is contained within those tags annoys me somewhat. In my opinion, and in the opinion of many proponents of [X]HTML+CSS, Slashdot (like most other websites) abuses the markup language, defeating the entire purpose. For some websites, they might as well serve up pdfs.

There are also significant bandwith savings to be had as show by A List Apart [alistapart.com] which has been posted numerous times before.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (2, Interesting)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707327)

For some websites, they might as well serve up pdfs.

Don't even joke about that - Acrobat is slow, buggy, crash-prone, backwards-combatible. And on Windows (yes, I have to use it sometimes), it always tries to install something called "Microsoft Journal Viewer". PDFs suck ass for web presentation - although they are nice for non-live stuff.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (1)

slinky259 (827395) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707363)

Preview for OS X, though, is freaking awesome. It had better be, though, since PDFs are integrated into the OS.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (1)

Igmuth (146229) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707493)

Don't even joke about that - Acrobat is slow, buggy, crash-prone, backwards-combatible


Since when is backwards compatability a bad thing?

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (1)

Citizen Gold (540740) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707833)

That's probably why it's slow, buggy and crash-prone.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707906)

The reason might be that except for really simple layouts the table based layout is much easier to do and better than css layout.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707448)

No, actually, it's not. I saved a copy of the front page to disk ran it through the W3's validator (because slashdot apparantly checks the referrer and refuses to allow itself to be run through the W3 validator)... a whopping 206 errors.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (3, Funny)

notthe9 (800486) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707454)

Slashdot is standards compliant. HTML 3.2 Other than the over 110 deviations on the main page, they are totally compliant.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (4, Informative)

Mant (578427) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708795)

You believe wrong, it isn't even compliant 3.2. Run it through a validator and watch all the problems it shows.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707475)

Wow... the irony. Slashdot is talking about standards. Isn't it about time that /. itself should be standards compliant?

Is this a /. specific issue, or a Slashcode [slashcode.com] issue (slashdot is implemented using slashcode)? If it is the latter maybe a branch needs to be created to work on making a standards compliant version.

Re:Oh, the irony - slashdot talking about standard (3, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707526)

Looks someone tried to create a standards compliant theme [slashcode.com] , in 2002. I haven't really investigated much to see where they finally got to, but looking at one of the comments [slashcode.com] make me wonder what the oldest browser /. should work in?

Excellent powerpoint killer (5, Interesting)

raahul_da_man (469058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706938)

This is an excellent example of the Web applications that Microsoft feared. Even though it is crude, and it has one killer limitation:

* Fonts are not scaled based on display resolution and available pixels; manual CSS editing is required

And a massively annoying one:

* Only one author can be listed in the metadata

I'm not quite sure why the second limitation exists. But already this program does all of the important functions I need Powerpoint for, and it has one big advantage over powerpoint .. the html version looks far prettier on the web than powerpoint does.

I was highly intrigued to learn about Opera's powerpoint alternative and previous attempts in this direction. This may be the first web app that I use all the time.

Re:Excellent powerpoint killer (3, Insightful)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707343)

If it uses pixels, that sucks. If it uses ems, it's not so bad, and is actually a good way of keeping the code clean while still allowing folks with high-rez monitors to use it easily.

Merge into Mozilla Composer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707812)

I should be able to create presentations using mozilla composer menu File->New->Presentation...

Re:Excellent powerpoint killer (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708846)

Well, many browsers (e.g. Firefox) allow for easy font resizing, which seems to work well enough here. So I think that first point is not a major issue.

The second point seems easy to fix in the code.

Dynamic Drive (4, Informative)

cloudless.net (629916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706944)

I always use Dynamic Drive [dynamicdrive.com] as a repository of useful DHTML scripts, including slide-show scripts that work with multiple browsers.

Apple Keynote (4, Interesting)

Queer Boy (451309) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706966)

It would be awesome to see Apple incorporate this into the next version of Keynote [apple.com] to have a cross-platform way to export presentations.

Also makes me wish Microsoft supported more of the CSS standard on IE. I've been using CSS since '99 and almost every interesting effect breaks in IE Win. Thankfully more Windows users are using alternative browsers for security reasons.

Now if only Slashdot would validate! [w3.org]

Re:Apple Keynote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707285)

The w3c encounters a 403 forbidden from slashdot.org - I guess taco got sick of everyone seeing how bad it is eh?

Re:Apple Keynote (1)

SG1 (713642) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707345)

Now notice that the above validation link has been /.'ed........... well sorta... its just that slashdot has now banned the validator... for who knows how long :-D

Re:Apple Keynote (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708086)

> for who knows how long :-D

Years.

Many many years. /. & [w3c] standards don't mix.

Re:Apple Keynote (2, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707431)

It would be awesome to see Apple incorporate this into the next version of Keynote to have a cross-platform way to export presentations.

It is an interesting idea, though I am just wondering what this has over other solutions such as PDF?

Re:Apple Keynote (2)

guet (525509) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707718)

err, it's a web page, and not a PDF? I'd say that's an advantage right there, as it means you can publish it to the web.

Yes you can upload a PDF but I'd rather the HTML as it's more malleable.

Re:Apple Keynote (1)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707731)

Keynote can export QuickTime movies of presentations. So you could say that it's already cross-platform capable unless you want to bring up the "QuickTime isn't native on Linux" argument.

its not a single file (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706967)


its 5 files making it more of a mess in a folder than a simple elegant thing

honestly its crap for an slideshow and for the amount of code it uses support for IE4/5/NS4 would of been trivial, i guess if you tack "standards compliant" to something that makes it somehow good right ?

You bastards Slashdotted Eric (2, Funny)

digitalgimpus (468277) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706979)

Is there no end?

An attempt to use a standards compliant Web as an alternative to MS Powerpoint...

and you slashdot his ass. :-D

BUSH IS GOING TO WIN HAHAHAHA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10706984)

Currently (10:26 PM Eastern) Bush has 193 electoral votes to Kerry's 112. I voted for Kerry, but I can't wait to see the bitching and moaning on Slashdot when Bush wins. It's going to be great!

Re:BUSH IS GOING TO WIN MY BALLS IN HIS MOUTH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707006)

HAHAHAHAHA Your figures are out of date! Kerry has 3985 electric votes to Bush's -17 electric votes.

You will be the bitcher and moaner!

It is great! My balls have never been so cared for!

Is this really that interesting? (2, Insightful)

Sputum (682106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10706995)

I mean when I went on holiday I wrote a simple slide-show page with CSS and JavaScript when I realised my laptop pretty much only had Windows and IE on it. It took about half an hour. Now, it wasn't standards based, and it wasn't as felxible as this thing, but I only ever intended it for use on pages of photos with captions on them, for the 10 days I was on holiday.

My girlfriend was ever so impressed. (I wish.)

Just seems to me there are hundreds of more interesting projects that deserve a slashdot post. Perhaps one of the admins needed a slide show program?

Re:Is this really that interesting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707331)

You must be a sad fucking fucker to go on holiday with.

Re:Is this really that interesting? (1)

Sputum (682106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707413)

Did you ignore the part where I said "It took about half an hour"?

That was a fairly important bit I think.

Re:Is this really that interesting? (-1, Flamebait)

Compact Dick (518888) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707511)


You must be a sad fucking fucker ...
Which is more than can be said about you. Ha!

Re:Is this really that interesting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708305)

I see you are impersonating me once again so-called AC. I want slashdot to know, it was not I that made the above comment but some IMPOSTER.

I shall get you AC. You will rue the day you crossed me.

Amazed Again (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707013)

Some of the things I've seen in the past (like the Complex Spiral site) have amazed me, but this demo REALLY shows why XHTML and CSS is so great.

So I open it up and it's a normal looking web page that is well done and works great. When your browser lacks javascript (or it's turned off) it looks like any other well made page. This is probably why it prints well too. Then you turn on javascript (or in my case let the little security warning from IE that came with SP2 run the script) and it's just like looking at a powerpoint presentation of the exact same data. Add a few other sets of CSS stuff and you could make it also look great for a handheld (like a Palm or some such) that might not be able to display the webpage well (assuming they can't handle the powerpoint style part here).

And it's all just XHTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Amazing the things that can acomplish wihtout needing Java, ActiveX, Flash, a seperate viewer (like PowerPoint), etc.

When you get someone really skilled with some pieces of technology, it's amazing the stuff they can crank out.

I know the site is down (it was for me) but get a mirror of the zip file (there are ones in other comments) and check it out if you have even the tiniest interest in this.

Re:Amazed Again (3, Insightful)

Sputum (682106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707135)

Javascript and HTML are very very capable. It's not hard at all to do complex things with them, as long as you can encapsulate everything into the one file. Accessing the file system, or databases, can pose a security risk. That's probably why as far as I can tell there are no good standards-based ways of doing these with just HTML, CSS asnd JS. (Of course it's easy with Java or ActiveX.) I'm working on some GUI widgets that I intend to use to replace my MS Access apps with a nice HTML based standards-compliant interface. Firefox, IE and Opera are pretty good at running things quickly (on my Athlon XP 1600+). This is a well implemented app, too. S5 could easily have dodgied up a slide show program by relying on the server quite easily.

Re:Amazed Again (1)

lphuberdeau (774176) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707391)

The site is nice but I'm very far from being impressed. Honestly, all there is to the design is a PNG image with alpha transparency and a fixed background image. I have seen much more impressive designs that are compliant.

Look over CSS Zen Garden [csszengarden.com] . The same XHTML page has dozens of CSS files and the layout absolutly never look the same. The source is very clean too. That website really shows the power of CSS, and it has been running for years. Check out multiple skins, some of them are vertical, some horizontal, there is really variety. It's not just about swapping images.

Re:Amazed Again (1)

DBCooper (7180) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707803)

I've never known Eric to claim to be a graphic designer. The impressive part is not the visual design. There's no doubt that the Zen Garden contributors could whip up more beautiful visuals. The key here is the simplicity. One simple Web page source and you get a full-featured presentation, print-ready notes, and great accessibility too.

Re:Amazed Again (1)

matria (157464) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708459)

If you are referring to the ComplexSpiral home page, you are not correct. Those are 4 normal image files, all positioned with CSS, each one the same image just lightened or darkened (I used GraphicConverter on my Mac). No transparency, no .png. I used the same code on my site [sottwell.com] , with a simple Javascript slideshow for fun. The backbround images don't work right in IE (big surprise). Read the ComplexSpiral site for the reason why.

Re:Amazed Again (1)

Taladar (717494) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708563)

Those are 4 normal image files...No transparency, no .png
When did PNG stop being a normal image file?

I would be very impressed... (5, Insightful)

bigmanjq (824222) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707017)

If OpenOffice built this into its presentation software. It would be nice if when you save your presentation you have the option to save as an XHTML document. This would dramatically reduce file size and allow OpenOffice to be used more widely (in my opinion) for some web applications. How hard could it be to port this format (since it is open) to OpenOffice? Any Volunteers?

MOD PARENT UP (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707383)

that really is the a boost that would push OOo to the next level of usage, something useful that MS does not provide at all, and which would be used by companies.

Re:MOD PARENT UP (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708315)

Just some simple crash-recovery controls and a way to speed it up would be a big improvement. I went to move over to it from Microsoft Word and was severly dissapointed by how damn slow it was and the fact that when I went to save it crashed and then didn't have any way for me to recover my lost data.

Perhaps it's better on non-Windows, but at the moment Word (unfortunately) shits all over OOo.

Re:I would be very impressed... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708841)

Does OpenOffice even export XHTML yet? Last time I used it, it was limited to HTML 3.2 with almost no semantic markup at all.

Impressed (1)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707041)

I had thought something like this would be possible (I was thinking more a replacement for flash though), so I'm glad to see it done.

Incidently: Coral [nyud.net] links [nyud.net]

Re:Impressed (1)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707068)

Ah, crud. Try this [nyud.net] instead. Or straight to a demo here [nyud.net] .

Is this what they call Karma Whoring?

OO.o Impress? (2, Informative)

xxx_Birdman_xxx (676056) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707070)

I always like standards. Esp anything to do with CSS and the web.
Im not exactly sure of a reason to develop this standard though. I've been using the latest version of OpenOffice's Impress to do all my presentations for my uni projects. I've found it really easy to use.. maybe a little easier than Powerpoint. I know its more a clone of PP than anything revolutionary, but it stores its presentations in an OPEN format. It works great, and is also has very few problems when converting to a powerpoint slide (im not doing anything complicated, but I've had no trouble).
And it does the scaling of text and graphics really well which this standard (from a previous comment) doesn't really handle... I think Eric Meyer's work is awesome, but is this something that is actually really needed, or is it just an example of a clever combination of existing technologies together?

Re:OO.o Impress? (3, Insightful)

bigmanjq (824222) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707139)

I like Impress also. However, I don't like the way Impress saves to the web (files way too big). It would be nice to create more simple presentations for the web with smaller file sizes. I think this new format would fit that niche.

Re:OO.o Impress? (1)

xxx_Birdman_xxx (676056) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707254)

Ah, maybe thats what im missing. Im thinking using a presentation for display in front of an audience.. not for uploading to the web!
In that case it would be good as it removes the need for extra software to be installed..

Re:OO.o Impress? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707315)

Well, it's a format that allows a Powerpoint-style presentation to be delivered with no software installed other than a standards-compliant browser. I'd say this is a pretty valuable piece of work.

XML! (1)

BenDeutsch (765034) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708136)

I've been using the latest version of OpenOffice's Impress [...] but it stores its presentations in an OPEN format.

Yeah, but his is even better: With S5 (which uses XHTML), you can store your presentation in an XML based format!

Oh, wait...

PPT convertor? (1)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707177)

Now if only there was a convertor from PowerPoint files to this, I would be happy. And I could possibly even convince the lecturers at the uni to use this instead of PowerPoint... Anyone?

Re:PPT convertor? (1)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707368)

I'm sure it's coming, but it's just been released. Be patient, or (you knew this was coming) write it yourself ;-)

Seriously, though, it shouldn't be too hard for someone who is familiar with OpenOffice's code to harness that engine to do it (open .ppt with OO.org; export to S5).

CSS stands for (5, Funny)

Dorsai65 (804760) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707202)

Can't Survive Slashdotting, apparently.

Too bad it's /.ed (2, Interesting)

lux55 (532736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707294)

I'd like to see if it's compatible with Dean Edwards' IE7 script [edwards.name] . If so, it could almost be considered cross-browser compatible enough for general use.

Guess I'll have to look for a mirror...

Re:Too bad it's /.ed (1)

lux55 (532736) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708192)

Looks like the IE7 script doesn't help much, unfortunately. The reality is, IE is still the hugely dominant browser, so any solution you present has to be compatible with it if it's going to be of any real commercial interest. So while a standards-compliant solution is nice and all, a standard is still meaningless when 90% of users out there can't see it.

Ah well, maybe this will get me off my butt to write my own, cross-browser presentation system...

Fade In, Fade Out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707664)


Is it possible to change the slideshow such that it fades between slides?

This for real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707721)

They should rename the title to "Dude finally discovers the possibilities of the already acclaimed Dynamic HTML technology!.

Did my own version once (3, Informative)

jeti (105266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708223)

For my presentations at university, I implemented my own HtmlPresenter [radialthinking.de] this spring. If you're curious how a more basic implementation looks like, or want to use a more simple system, be welcome to use it.

I hereby put it into the public domain.

Unhiding paragraphs (1)

jeti (105266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708270)

Funny. My own little script can unhide the paragraphs one by one. S5 cannot. I always considered this the key feature of PowerPoint like presentations.

LaTeX (4, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708348)

It does almost make me feel like a barbarian for using beamer [sourceforge.net] under LaTeX. Many alternative LaTeX styles/classes exist (prosper, HA-prosper, seminar, slide, etc. They are mature and elegant. The resulting PDFs are attractive because they are single-file-per-presentation solutions that are cross-platform and adhere to an open standard (xpdf is a great viewer!). S5 would need additional files for images, style sheets, etc.

Those who use LaTeX should check out beamer--the table of contents is quite intelligent & they are easily theamable & have already solved many things that S5 is only planning to include.

Example presentation using s5 (4, Interesting)

Tumbarumba (74816) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708478)

I needed to create some slides last week for a presentation to my company's Best Practice group. After working out the actual content I wanted, it took me all of 20 minutes to create the content using s5.

Here's the final result: Introduction to CruiseControl [exubero.com]

Mozilla users can switch to alternative stylesheets using the switcher on the status bar.

I couldn't try it out, so... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708599)

... does it work properly in IE 5 and IE 6, given it involves things like it might *cough* not support too well (while still being clear market leaders)?

Otherwise it seems pretty useless. :-/

Not valid XHTML (1)

trelie (809374) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708698)

The demo slideshow does not validate as xhtml. Heck it doesn't even contain a character encoding definition.

something for me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708889)

Is this something I could use if I know a little html and css, but no javascript? Or is it too early for that? It's a great idea in any case, I hate presentation software (powerpoint ánd impress)
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