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How has the USA PATRIOT Act Affected You?

Cliff posted more than 9 years ago | from the long-reach-of-Washington dept.

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wetdogjp asks: "October 26th, 2004 marked the third anniversary of the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act (or USA PATRIOT Act, as it is more commonly known). While the Slashdot crowd can certainly muster the enthusiasm to debate its pro's and con's, I'd like to know: How has the USA PATRIOT Act affected you, personally? How has it interfered with your personal and professional life? Has this act influenced your Presidential vote?"

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Umm (4, Insightful)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707001)

How about it has not effected me one bit. Just like how it has not effected 99.9% of Americans.

Re:Umm (2)

DCAFarkas (758043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707011)

I think as people read the head line they are coming to that reaalization too, and frankly, I think it's great that /. put up such a well thought headline/article.

Re:Umm (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707095)

I was affected by the Patriot Act. I work for a major bank and we added fields to all of our customer data tables to accomodate new regulations from the Patriot Act. It gave me something to do for a few weeks.

HEY SLASHDOT: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707097)

Meet the new boss [whitehouse.gov] , same as the old boss [whitehouse.gov] .

Re:Umm (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707012)

Hey, dumbshit. The whole point of the PATRIOT Act is that you won't know if you're under investigation under the terms of the PATRIOT Act.

Rule #2: If this your first revolution, you have to fight.

Re:Umm (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707055)

Hey, dumbshit. The whole point of the PATRIOT Act is that you won't know if you're under investigation under the terms of the PATRIOT Act.

Hey, dumbshit. If you're not doing anything illegal, then you don't have anything to worry about. If the CIA really wants to read my /. posts, tap my phone and hear me order a pizza, or read my e-mail mailing lists that I subscribe to, more power to them.

Re:Umm (4, Insightful)

asdfghjklqwertyuiop (649296) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707103)


If the CIA really wants to read my /. posts, tap my phone and hear me order a pizza, or read my e-mail mailing lists that I subscribe to, more power to them.


And people like this are registered voters... *shudder*...

Re:Umm (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707114)

If you're not doing anything illegal, then you don't have anything to worry about.

Cool. You've got a point there. So... you won't mind if I install this inconspicuous 2.4 GHz wireless camera in your bedroom, right? After all, you're not doing anything illegal, and I'm one of the very "people" who's represented by the same US government who passed the PATRIOT Act.

Don't worry, bro'. I am the government, and I'm here to help.

Re:Umm (5, Insightful)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707126)

Let's put it this way - it creates a culture of fear. Of course, a lot of that is because of the hype and media manipulation by partisan entities. However, there is still a level of uncertainty among minorities.

Sundance has a film running on this theme that has a few illustrations

Also, remember Pastor Martin Niemoller's [google.com] poem in the 1940s

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out--because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out--because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Basically, that is the concern that causes some people to speak out about the Patriot Act.

Re:Umm (2, Interesting)

Deagol (323173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707138)

That's all fine and dandy until posting dissenting opinions online or ordering pizza by phone becomes illegal.

Then you may think twice about those powers you so casually dismiss.

Re:Umm (4, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707016)

You may think so, but with "sneak and peek" searches. you may never even know.

Re:Umm (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707037)

Not like I have anything to hide.

Re:Umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707113)

um... we WILL know that we have not been affected by it. I don't care if anyone watches me as long as i don't know about it and no one i come into contact with knows about it.

Re:Umm (0, Troll)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707020)

And on top of that, the Government needs the right to be able gather intelligence against terrorist activites. The point of the patrior act is that they can GATHER THE INTELLIGENCE AND STOP THE ATTACK.
Its not a violation of our rights in the sense that they will just go around and prosecute everyone and use the patriot act as their source of information. They use the information to prevent attacks. I dunno where these weenies who complain about it where during 9/11 but I was in New York City.

Re:Umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707073)

> Its not a violation of our rights in the sense that they will just go around and prosecute everyone and use the patriot act as their source of information. They use the information to prevent attacks. I dunno where these weenies who complain about it where during 9/11 but I was in New York City.

You're certain about this, are you?

You're sure there'll never be another President like Richard Nixon, or another Directory of the FBI like J. Edgar Hoover, who used to use FBI resources to gather info on the enemies of Nixon, at Nixon's request?..

I agree with your implicit point that 9/11 was Horrific - but an Orwellian law is not the way to protect us against terrorists, just an easy way to get evidence, in secret, against "those people" who we know should be harassed into submission.

Re:Umm (1)

jgrumbles (515918) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707022)

affected, affected

Re:Umm (1)

mikewren420 (264173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707063)

affected, affected

'splain.

Re:Umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707116)

Parent of that post said "effected", which is incorrect.

Re:Umm (5, Insightful)

jjh37997 (456473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707027)

How about it has not effected me one bit. Just like how it has not effected 99.9% of Americans.

Considering the government can now obtain secret warrents and perform search without your knowledge how do you know it has not affected you?

Re:Umm (2, Funny)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707060)

Nope Its only benefited me, how about all of the terrorist cells that have been brought down in the US only because the Patriot Act allowed them to.

Re:Umm (1)

jx100 (453615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707119)

..and of course, you actually know that the USAPATRIOT act was used to take down terrorists, and not to screw around with anyone else...

Re:Umm (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707148)

NOOOO it was all about helping out corporate pigs in America :roll:

Get real dude, the Patriot Act was passed unanimously after 9/11 for terrorism, nothing else.

Re:Umm (5, Insightful)

asdfghjklqwertyuiop (649296) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707123)


how about all of the terrorist cells that have been brought down in the US only because the Patriot Act


Imagine how many terrorist cells would be brought down if we just turned the world into a complete police state.

Re:Umm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707137)

they can watch me all they want as long as they don't interfere... which, if i don't ever find out i'm being watched, means that they aren't interfering with my life... meaning it hasn't affected me.

Re:Umm (5, Funny)

Scoria (264473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707044)

As Americans, we are responsible for perpetuating our civil liberties. According to your response, we shouldn't exhibit concern for the 0.1% of Americans that have been affected. That complacency would merely encourage the legislators to enact additional laws, and those laws would eventually affect 100% of the American population.

Re:Umm (2, Funny)

UniverseIsADoughnut (170909) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707057)

speak for yourself, because of a typo in it i was forced to be turned into a parrot, and others i know too. Not only was the bill not read, it wasn't spell checked either.

Re:Umm (5, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707076)

Well, I work at a Canadian bank and we've had to stop outsourcing alot of our contingency server hosting to the US. Given certain provisions and interpretations of the PATRIOT act, we cannot guarantee privacy of personal data to our customers -- as we must do as indicated by Canadian law. So now instead of having a primary datacentre in Toronto and a backup in South Carolina, we're moving everything out west to Alberta. We still run servers and call centres in the US, but all the data warehousing is now 100% Canadian.

So, if you work in IT, I suspect alot of people have been indirectly affected but don't realise it. I doubt you'll have SWAT teams bursting into your house and seizing your home PC due to using Kazaa, but the aggregate affect over the entire economy is tough to measure.

99.9%? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707082)

I demand a recount!

Re:Umm (4, Funny)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707104)

> How about it has not effected me one bit. Just like how it has not effected 99.9% of Americans.

On the contrary, it just got you modded down. ;-)

Not much. (5, Funny)

Wig (778245) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707003)

It hasn't really affected me. I do hear some clicking in my phone every time I talk on it, but I think that's just the phoneline.

Re:Not much. (0)

l810c (551591) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707030)

I do hear some clicking in my phone every time I talk on it, but I think that's just the phoneline.

Is that all calls or just the 1-900's? ;)

Re:Not much. (1)

Wig (778245) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707152)

No, it's only when Kelly is on the line. You know, the broad abroad.

1st post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707005)

jah

Has this act influenced your Presidential vote? (1)

weighn (578357) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707007)

Has this act influenced your Presidential vote?
Apparently not.

FP? (0, Offtopic)

mikewren420 (264173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707009)

Does the Patriot Act keep me from FP'ing?

(someone insert funny & witty retort here for instant moderation) ;)

Re:FP? (1)

squall14716 (734306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707035)

Apparently it does.

Re:FP? (1)

garignak (611737) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707094)

Does the Patriot Act keep me from FP'ing?

No, but being slow at the keyboard does. You're a whole minute behind. ;)

Not affected much (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707015)

I get the additional statement every once in a while that some transaction is reported or whatever because of the act.

I have nothing to hide, so it doesn't worry me much.

Re:Not affected much (1)

tool462 (677306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707131)

As somebody with nothing to hide, why are you posting AC? ;)

i was imprisoned (0, Troll)

mnemonic_ (164550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707019)

I was going to the store to buy a hotdog, and was swarmed by cops right after I paid the guy at the register. I'm now serving 30 years in jail.

Re:i was imprisoned (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707101)

Yeah, and you're still on /.! Once again...

How has the USA PATRIOT Act Affected You?

computerized prison (1)

loid_void (740416) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707111)

And besides having computers in that there jail, I was wondering, do you have wi-fi?

Why yes, it has affected me... (1, Redundant)

Cat9117600 (627358) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707021)

I think we can all say with complete honesty that the USA PATRIOT Act has affected us all...few other acts have caused quite so much discussion (and flaming!) on Slashdot!

Talking about the patriot's affect on yourself... (-1, Flamebait)

TyrranzzX (617713) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707023)

Is illegal, and you'll be subject to being called a terrorist and having your right suspended if you talk about how the FBI came to your house and confiscated your dishes and cat...

The reason we haven't heard much, is becuase if you go to the news, guess what? You become a martyr. Most people have families and friends, and lives; they don't want to sacrifice that, and I don't think the goons have a problem reminding people about that.

Re:Talking about the patriot's affect on yourself. (4, Interesting)

Xyrus (755017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707146)

The main reason you don't hear anything is because it is one of the provisions of the patriot act.

You are not allowed to discuss any charges brought against you. You can be held without council. You can be held indefinately.

Why do you think the ACLU/EFF couldn't talk about their case against the Patriot Act?

If your civil liberties die in a country with no one around to defend it, do you make a sound?

~X~
"You have rights....then you have wrongs."

It hasn't affected me at all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707024)

, for you see, it is largely inoperable. If they watch me, they would have come get me by now. [NO CARRIER]

thank god (2, Funny)

mongolian (768610) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707028)

At least I know somebody else is keeping logs of my AIM conversations so I dont have to use the disk space.

GO W!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707029)

who cares

GO BUSH

terrorism is NOT a law enforcement ISSUE

LET ISRAEL BOMB IRAN! give them permission to enter Iraqi airspace enroute!

Re:GO W!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707090)

Israel sucks. mod me flamebait now.

Re:GO W!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707096)

Looks like all these leftist weenies better start making reservations for one way tickets to france.

Judging by the numbers so far... (5, Insightful)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707031)

It seems that Americans like the Patriot Act and are willing to put up with 4 more years of this nonsense.

I'm a Canadian that feels deeply disappointed that so many Americans can still vote for someone like Bush. Yikes!

Eesh (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707079)

Can I move up there with you?

Seriously, I am completely convinced this is entirely rigged. I've been all over the US in the last couple years, and I have met so few people who view the last four years in a positive light.
Not to mention the number of electronic voting devies used in this election, ALL (as far as I know) which have been *proven* to have hackable and faulty security. How scary is that?

We also have a system here that does not allow the majority to vote for president (majority vote in 2000 was for the other candidate who was cheated out of office).

The saddest thing of all is that, if there are really this many that prefer our current president, not many of them seem to understand that our pestering of other nations is what results in terrorism, and we ourselves are to blame. It really is so confusing and sad to see your fellow humans this way.

Re:Judging by the numbers so far... (1)

TummyX (84871) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707118)

This [coxandforkum.com] seems appropriate.

RE: Patriot Act, Bush, etc. (3, Insightful)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707125)

Well, perhaps it bears reminding you then that BOTH Bush AND Kerry came out in support of the suggested "part 2" of the original Patriot Act. In fact, when questioned about the details, Bush said he would be "largely in support of it, with a few changes" while Kerry said he was in total support of the bill, as-is.

I'm an American who is deeply disappointed that more people can't see past the B.S. that is our current 2-party system and place a vote for the Libertarians.

Insanity, as they say, is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results.....

Re:Judging by the numbers so far... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707141)

do not be disappointed, be happy that we are not voting for a douche like Kerry.

No affect, so far (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707034)

I have not been personally affected by the existance of the PATRIOT act as of yet.

However, in 5-10 years if the PATRIOT act is still around, I believe things will change greatly. Once the US stops chasing people around the globe these very convenient changes in rights and law will be used against everyone equally.

Not to mention: I doubt it's exactly fair to ask this question here, because anyone who actually *has* been affected by the PATRIOT act probably no longer finds themselves in a position where freedom of speech or the ability to access devices for global communication are available to them.

It hasn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707036)

The Patriot Act gives law enforcement agencies the same types of powers they ALREADY HAD in cases of drug crimes and organized crimes to fight terrorism.

Since, I'm not a drug lord, crime lord, or terrorist, it has not affected me.

Re:It hasn't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707074)

First they came for the drug lords, but since I wasn't a drug lord, I didn't ....

Aw, fuck it. (Right?)

Alot (5, Insightful)

ZeeCog (641179) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707038)

Completely robbed me of my faith in my country.

Re:Alot (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707117)

Completely robbed me of my faith in his country.

Re:Alot (5, Insightful)

medelliadegray (705137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707145)

I completely agree.

Dont forget: Feeling disgraced that millions of people have died to preserve liberties which we just discarded like used toilet paper.

it also enrages me.

Ahem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707047)

My ex girlfriend is facing deportation. She is a British citizen (lived here for four years). She set off dry-ice bombs as a prank, and it's being investigated as terrorism. I doubt anything will come of it.

It hasn't affected me one iota, but... (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707049)

it is another step (like the RICO laws) in creating an infrastructure that an unfriendly government could use in creative ways to screw me should they desire to.

Re:It hasn't affected me one iota, but... (1)

glowimperial (705397) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707158)

Not to mention that it affects the behavior of those who are afraid that their activist activities might be monitored under that provisions of the act. Not to mention the fear of being labeled as a terrorist for simply fielding opposition to the current administration, and suffering various stigmas because of it.

Tin (1)

fenodyree (802102) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707050)

Speaking as a purveyor of tinfoil, I can definitely state that the PATRIOT ACT has positively impacted my life and lined my pockets with green in the same manner my product lines your hats.

By making me less trustful of my own government. (5, Interesting)

Shayde (189538) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707051)

I used to be apathetic about government and politics. Uniniterested in 'what those wanks in Washington were doing'. The first inkling of a problem was the CDA (Communications Decency Act), which was scary, but okay, some bad legistlation is bound to happen.

Then Bush and his cronies moved in, and anything even approaching preservation of civil liberties, the Constitution, or... okay, lets be honest, our dignity... went totally out the window in pursuit of idealism and Empire building.

I'm ashamed that the coutnry I live in could put a man like George Bush in power, could support a congress that would ratify such onerous legislation as the Patriot Act, and, what's worse, even consider re-electing this man. (As I type this, the US elections are still undecided).

More commentary on my blog [homeport.org] , I'm done ranting here. :)

I watch very carefully . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707052)

. . . what books I buy using plastic or that I check out from the library.

FREE PR)N!@# (1, Redundant)

g-to-the-o-to-the-g (705721) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707054)

Now that I have your attention, I think this is one of the lamest "Ask Slashdot" articles ever. With that said, in order to answer the question, the US patriot act has had no affect on me whatsoever. This may be because I'm not an american, or maybe because it probably doesn't affect more then 1% of the US population directly, but I could be wrong. With that said, I would hope that the amount of affect the patriot act has on people remains low, because I don't think the patriot act does anyone on the receiving end any good.

I have plenty of karma to burn.

Well... (2, Insightful)

Jormundgandr (816741) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707056)

Not that I know of. But that's the whole point isn't it?

Personally... (4, Insightful)

FiReaNGeL (312636) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707058)

As a Canadian, you would expect that it has NOT affected me. But in the light of recent news [canoe.ca] , I'm not so sure anymore. I'll get flamed for this, but why should your government Patriotism give them every right in MY country? Canadians are patriotic too, love they country, want to protect it, etc... did we ever invade USA citizens privacy like this? Sure, its to fight terrorism... but be careful not to damage your relations with your allies by doing so (if its not already done, with France and the Iraq war).

Re:Personally... (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707112)

Yeah because France didn't have deals with Iraq to recieve oil from them if France voted pro Iraq in the UN. :roll:

Not much, really. (0, Redundant)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707062)

Well, aside from time wasted reading /. rants, the Patriot Act has has had zero affect on me. And seeing as how I am neither an enemy of the USA or engaged in anything likely to convince anyone that I am, nor am I a paranoid privacy weirdo, I don't really expect that it ever will.

Re:Not much, really. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707110)

Then you'd be okay with the following propositions as well:

1. National ID Card, and the police have the power to demand ID at any time.
2. A personal "security guard" to sit inside your home and watch everything you do. After all, you have nothing to hide.
3. Permanent wire taps on all your phones, pre-screening of all your mail, and a key logger on each computer.
4. et cetera

I mean after all, you're not an enemy of the USA, and your not paranoid, so you have nothing to worry about.

Re:Not much, really. (2, Funny)

End11 (740392) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707136)

Yes, because after all "rights" and "freedoms" were not designed so you could do things the government doesn't approve of, and the only people who care about them must pretty much be terrorists anyway. What kind of a weirdo doesn't want the government to have unlimited power to go through their shit? The kind with something to hide of course!

Maybe not now, but what about the future? (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707069)

Of course, it probably has not effected that many people. But it's the precedent it sets, the proverbial "slippery slope". You know, if we don't fight to maintain our personal rights, before we know they will be gone, and we may in the future suffer for it at the hands of a government that wants to do things we can't imagine they can get away with now.

How this influenced my vote... (2, Interesting)

Pollux (102520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707071)

Has this act influenced your Presidential vote?

This is simple. Why I voted for Kerry:

1) President Bush empowered himself to take the civil liberties away from US Citizens. The last president I remember really hacked away at rights explicitly stated in the US Constitution was John Adams (correct me if I'm wrong). Bush claims that it will only be used on terrorists, but merely being accused of being one automatically strips you of your civil liberties. Declared guilty before proven innocent. Even Timothy McVeigh still received a lawyer and a trial.

2) President Bush guarded nothing in Baghdad except the oil refinery. I truly believed up until I read about this that "liberating" Iraq was not because of the oil, but because Saddam was hiding something up his sleeve. I tried to convince everyone I could in Egypt that it wasn't about the oil.

Re:How this influenced my vote... (1)

FooGoo (98336) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707151)

You forgot Clinton did it after oklahoma city.

All Your Posts Are Belong To Us! (1)

hadesan (664029) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707075)

Signed,
Patriot Act Super-super computer systems admin.

made me vote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707077)

for someone other than Bush.

Vote for President? (5, Insightful)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707078)

Why would this affect my vote for president when both major candidates are in favor of the act?

Are "you" listening? (1)

zac_wight (795816) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707080)

I don't think so much that it's affected many American noticeably and I think that's partly the point of that piece of leglislation. I haven't noticed anybody collecting all sorts of private information about me. But wait... they don't have to tell me, do they? And it hasn't decided my vote. There were plenty of other issues.

Regardless... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707086)

Regardless of what people like to say, the PATRIOT act is inconsequential to most Americans. People like to bitch about it, but has it ever affected you?

The answer of 99.9999% of Americans is a resounding no. People may not like it, but there's a good chance it's protected America against terrorists since it was created, and it certainly hasn't hurt it.

I'm sure a bunch of you would argue, "Why yes, that's true, but at what cost?" COST? That's just ridiculous. The only people who even learn that the PATRIOT act was somehow enforced against them are those who actually were discussing the performing of terrorist acts. Any crimes that were discussed, that are of no concern to terrorism, must not be regarded as evidence.

Those affected by it, are also silenced by it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707088)

Quote from the somewhat off base movie, 'The Manhattan Project'

"You keep this up and they'll lock you in a room and throw away the room."

Oh yeah, it's affected me... (1, Interesting)

irving47 (73147) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707091)

Oh, and it's AFFECTED, not EFFECTED.

Let's see... They gave me shit about my laser pointer at the SFO airport when the PNS airport did not...
I couldn't take my keychain knife with me on the plane anymore... and I know that if I ever use a library, it will GREATLY concern me that the FBI can find out what I checked out now with one less hoop to jump through than before.
Damn you Ashcroft and Bush! /sarcasm
This will be tagged as flamebait.

Misleading name for a law... (1)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707092)

surely it would be less misleading to call it the 'u sap at riot' act?

(disclaimer; I read that one in someone elses comment on slashdot some time ago in a whole nother article).

It doesn't matter if it hasn't affected me (1)

InfiniteReality (9709) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707093)

The moment it adversely affects a fellow American citizen, I feel just as outraged as if it had affected me.

Well, sort of.... (1)

ninji (703783) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707098)

I havn't been directly effected by it, other then being informed by governement agencies that I was repsonsible for maintaining certiant logs of/for my users (I at the time ran an ISP/Hosting firm)...

A friend of mine, a photographer was arrested and 10k in equipment confinscated under the patriot act, he still hasnt gotten it back...

A friend of my brothers set up Kiosk's in malls, very nice work for alot of cash he made a joke to one of the other workers that he worked with alquida and there was a confrence there that month, less than an hour later multiple agents of several agencies showed up at the mall he was working, took him to his home, where they searched it and questioned him for hours, he now isnt allowed in any mall in the US and tons of other lame legal resitrictions imposed on him just for JOKEINGLY saying he was in the alquida to a coworker.. I know its not something to joke about, but he cant even get another job anywhere now, hes nationally blackedlisted for nothing, a bit overkill even for a joke that shouldnt have been made...

Checking Account (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707105)

A couple of months ago, I went into a bank to sign up for a checking account. Since I am under 18, my parent's were going to be co-signers of the checking account with me. I was told that I wouldn't be able to open an account without a state ID. At the time, I didn't have a state ID or driver's license, and so I was promptly told that I couln't open an account. I know most people have driver's licenses so it's not a problem for them, but for people under 18, it is another hurdle.

How has the Patriot Act affected Osama Bin Ladin? (4, Interesting)

marktaw.com (816752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707106)

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he (Bush Sr.) was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism.


- Osama bin Ladin [aljazeera.net]

PATRIOT Act is repugnant to the Constitution (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707115)

I haven't been affected... yet...
In Wisconsin I voted for Feingold, the only senator to vote against the PATRIOT Act, for that very reason.
Badnarik's take on it:
A party organizer told the candidate they'd have to leave to make his flight. So, would Badnarik repeal the Patriot Act? "In a heartbeat," he answered. "In a heartbeat." Then, despite the time, he couldn't resist expounding: "Technically, I cannot repeal the Patriot Act, because in Marbury v. Madison, a Supreme Court decision from 1803, the Supreme Court ruled that any law repugnant to the Constitution is null and void," he said. "And it is null and void from the day you enact it, not from the day you discover it's unconstitutional. So from my point of view, the Patriot Act does not exist," he said. Source [sfgate.com]

Not as much as the DMCA has (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707120)

Just saying is all. /Voted for Kerry.

It has affected me (1)

uucp (459917) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707122)

I fear my government.

Extra Paperwork (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707124)

I do work for a financial services company and it just means increased paperwork. Personally, I have nothing to hide, so I'm not too concerned. That doesn't mean I like the idea of it.

It has affected me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10707128)

As a foreigner working in the United States I do not feel comfortable engaging in political protest the way I used when I was in my home country. I am not talking about protesting US instituitions which are not my direct concern, but international organizations like the WTO and the IMF which are. I have been essentially politically passive since I came here, which I find quite frustrating.

No Impact: Been There, Done That Already (1, Flamebait)

reallocate (142797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707129)

No impact, discounting longer lines at airports. No big deal there. I've been to shopping malls in other countries where everyone who entered was patted down and checked with a metal detector. I had airlines remove 3-inch rounded scissors from my carryon years before it started happening here. I didn't like it then, and I don't like it now. But, I dislike it a lot less than getting on a plane with some loon with a bomb.

And, no, it didn't change the way I voted. I won't consider voting for Republicans until they stop pretending to channel God.

How should I know? (1)

dead sun (104217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707142)

I was under the impression that part of the joy of the Patriot Act was that you wouldn't know how your life was touched by it. Or you'd find out about it after it was too late to be posting to slashdot about how you've been touched by it.

I encrypt (4, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707147)

It's made me aware of government intercepts in ISP's, so I've setup postfix, cyrus, courier and sendmail wherever I use them to use SSL whenever possible. I also finally bought a real cert (from InstantSSL for $50).

I suppose Carnivore and Echelon were there before Patriot but it didn't wake me up as much.

It bothers me personally and politically, yet there was no candidate I could vote for who was against Patriot and for Preemption. In the end, Patriot was lower on my scale. You could say I like my terrorism policy like my operating systems - preemptive rather than cooperative.

I'm firmly of the opinion that no matter what we do to try to protect the country there is a way around those measures. Short of locking everybody in their houses there are opportunities for terrorists to strike.

So we shouldn't step on _any_ civil liberties of Citizens and we should be on the offensive.

You must be some sort of terrorist to even ask (2, Insightful)

cometsnake (607164) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707155)

I'm sure that the people effected most by the PATRIOT Act aren't reading /. Do they have broadband in Guantanamo?

I propose a /. Poll on this topic... (1)

octaene (171858) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707156)

... as the perfect followup! I love that the consensus, at least insofar as I have read, is "oh yeah it isn't affecting me one dang bit". The ACLU [aclu.org] is trying hard to convince you otherwise, but they're not succeeding.

Not me. But so what? (4, Insightful)

Dyolf Knip (165446) | more than 9 years ago | (#10707161)

What are we supposed to do, wait until a few million people _are_ affected by bad laws before suggesting they are not in our best interests? That sort of thinking got us the War on Drugs and millions of citizens spending time in prison and law enforcement constantly expanding its scope to try to enforce fundamentally unenforcable laws. Most americans weren't affected by the Alien and Seditions Acts. Most americans in the north weren't affected by slavery laws. Most germans weren't affected by the Nuremburg laws. Just because it doesn't screw over >50% of the population in the first 3 years of its existence doesn't mean that it shouldn't be fought. Particularly when the law itself demands that any uses and abuses be kept hidden from the public.
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