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VoIP Democrats (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708540)

Is it because the Republicans didn't need the calls, or that they couldn't figure out the VoIP software?

Re:VoIP Democrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708675)

It's because Ashcroft is allowed to hack VOIP calls due to the PATRIOT act, so they just listened in on some calls, and pretended to be democrats on other calls...

Re:VoIP Democrats (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708774)

Speaking of Bush's victory, does anyone wonder what John Kerry looks like when he's sad? I do. I mean, that motherfucker has one long face on a good day ... God only knows what he will look like tomorrow.

By the way, you modern day libs have no class. You ran your campagin without it and in the hour of your defat you illustrate you still have none.

Re:VoIP Democrats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708955)

and you modern day neocons have plunged the world into a conflict for no other reason than a small group's personal profit. What, did you ask Osama to scare the yanks into voting? How opportune... and no wonder that high turnout=conservative voting.. Ol' Osama helped Bush Bush better than anything stupid Kerry could say... Scare scare scare ... it's Maslov's hierarchy of needs applied to politics and I must concede it is well done.

The calls were traced!? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708542)

Does this relate to this slashdot story [slashdot.org]

Re:The calls were traced!? (1)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708549)

As far as I can tell, not really, except for the fact that both involve the US.

Re:The calls were traced!? (5, Insightful)

isometrick (817436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708567)

"... Sakaria did a quick check of caller IDs and found that most of the calls from the Democratic party ..."

They actually did look at the caller ID of their customer's calls!? And at least researched them enough to figure out that they were Republican or Democratic volunteers?

Holy crap! Isn't this kind of data mining illegal?

Re:The calls were traced!? (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708575)

prolly not, after all its internal research and the data released didnt tie the names to the info

Re:The calls were traced!? (1)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708605)

All of the calls I got from any party or group trying to get people to vote [be it for a particular person/party or just vote] were from '000-000-0000' or 'Unknown Number' according to the caller ID, so I doubt this is it.

Huh?? (3, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708543)

Ummm ok...so what is so important about this bit of news? Are they implying that most VOIP users are democrats?

no (2, Insightful)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708559)

as I said in my post below, its more showing how new/cheaper communication technologies are affecting the election and voter turnout. This article doesnt have much to do with politics (though it is interesting that more democrats seem to be using this than republicans, perhaps democrats tend to be more tech savvy?)

Re:no (2, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708572)

Based on the politcal slant on Slashdot, I would say yes. Techies tend to sway Left by a large factor. Then again, Slashdot IS worldwide. And most people on the internet by virtue of being international, tend to be very liberal. I'm not saying this in a bad way, but that would be the facts.

Re:no (1)

nels_tomlinson (106413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708655)

Techies tend to sway Left by a large factor.

If Slashdot is a representative sample, that's true. On the other hand, I'm not sure I know any left-wing techs in real life. Some libertarians, but no lefties, and I live in the most left-wing town in Alaska.

Is it really so that techs are liberal? Why would that be if so?

Re:no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708707)

I Live in Alaska too pal, and what you need to consider is that it's a largely conservative state. That's not to say their aren't any liberals, but not as many as most places.

Slashdot is not a good representation of Techs (1)

Razzak (253908) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708723)

It's just that the loudest/funniest/editor people on slashdot are liberal, so you assume that slashdot is a liberal crowd. That doesn't mean techies are liberal.

Re:no (2, Interesting)

cgadd (65348) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708768)

My wife was suprised when I mentioned how left-leaning slashdot is overall.

I'm curious why that is. I'm the same as you, in that I know a bunch of techies, and none of them are liberal.

Maybe it's because slashdot has a lot of students? Or lots of unemployed techies?

Re:no (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708777)

Ya, I second that. I don't know any liberal techies in real life either. And I live in Austin Texas. I'm sure they are out there, even in droves. But I have yet to meet one personally.

As for the students, I would have to say yes. More often that not, the counter culture (which is the youth of America) has always been progressive.

Re:no (1)

Jeff Kelly (309129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708798)

"Based on the politcal slant on Slashdot, I would say yes. Techies tend to sway Left by a large factor. Then again, Slashdot IS worldwide. And most people on the internet by virtue of being international, tend to be very liberal. I'm not saying this in a bad way, but that would be the facts."

I think that it's just a matter of perspective.

I for exymple wouldn't agree with you that slashdot is left-wing but that is largely because I have a different definition of what is being left-wing. That's because in Europe even the US democratic party would be considered conservative in some countries.

So maybe if you look at slashdot from the US POV you might be under the impression that it's rather left-wing. For me it's not. I would classify slashdot as center with a very slight lean to the left.

Jeff

ineteresting (2)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708546)

yet another effect of new/cheaper communication technology on getting the vote out. E-Mails/IMs/websites are nothing new these days, but I've heard about groups of volunteers getting together to use free cell minutes to make calls and now VOIP. Rock on!

Give it up Kerry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708547)

You lost!

Re:Give it up Kerry (-1, Offtopic)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708560)

11 more days. Remember that.

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Provisional Ballots COUNT!

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708573)

Please, with 99% of precincts in, the margin is 144,215. Even if there are 200,000 provisional ballots, do you believe more than 170,000 of them will be valid and for Kerry?

Re:Give it up Kerry (1, Flamebait)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708586)

90% of Ohio's provisional ballots were valid last time [2000]. Also, even with Ohio, if Kerry wins the rest of the unpredicted states, its 269 to 269 and goes to the house.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708607)

CBS is calling Nevada for Bush. If it goes to the House, it'll probably end up with Bush the winner anyway.

Re:Give it up Kerry (2, Informative)

isometrick (817436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708625)

Kerry currently has 242 electoral votes, with Ohio (20), Wisconsin(10), Iowa(7), Nevada(5), and New Mexico(5) still in limbo.

So Kerry could get Ohio + Wisconsin + some others and have plenty more than 270.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708638)

He's not getting Ohio. Bush is now up 147,613 votes with 99% of precincts in.

Re:Give it up Kerry (1)

isometrick (817436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708650)

I was just responding to the guy in the parent of my post who said he couldn't get it even with Ohio. Also, you will only be able to tell after voting is done, after provisional ballots are counted, and after the lawyers are through ravaging Ohio :)

Re:Give it up Kerry (1)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708739)

Well, yes. He could win Ohio at this rate with the extra ballots (provisional, overseas military, etc.). To do so minimally (given the latest numbers - 147613), he'd have to get that many votes + half of the remaining votes + 1. Assuming 300,000 votes remaining (including overseas military, which is most likely inflated), he'd have to get 223808 votes. . . which is close to 75% of the total number of votes remaining. Given the close statistical nature of the normal votes, getting this percentage is HIGHLY unlikely. I believe Kerry is just prolonging things. I'd do it too if there was any ray of hope.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708787)

Well, yes. He could win Ohio at this rate with the extra ballots (provisional, overseas military, etc.). To do so minimally (given the latest numbers - 147613), he'd have to get that many votes + half of the remaining votes + 1. Assuming 300,000 votes remaining (including overseas military, which is most likely inflated), he'd have to get 223808 votes. . . which is close to 75% of the total number of votes remaining. Given the close statistical nature of the normal votes, getting this percentage is HIGHLY unlikely. I believe Kerry is just prolonging things. I'd do it too if there was any ray of hope.

BUSH 254 KERRY 252

CNN just called Wisconsin. It's more than a ray of hope, it's still very much up in the air!

Re:Give it up Kerry (2, Informative)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708802)


CNN just called Wisconsin. It's more than a ray of hope, it's still very much up in the air!

That's all well and good. However, with Ohio, Bush doesn't need to win anything else. Kerry can get all the remaining states and end up with a 269/269 tie. With a 269 total electorial vote count, Bush will win by default in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives tiebreaker. As long as Bush has Ohio (which is mathematically most likely), he wins.

Re:Give it up Kerry (1)

isometrick (817436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708813)

Kerry is 252 currently ... 252 (Kerry currently) + 20 (Ohio) = 272 Not 269. I know that Ohio is currently leaning towards Bush, but it hasn't been called yet (provisional ballots).

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708824)

It's been called by NBC and FOX.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708814)

That's all well and good. However, with Ohio, Bush doesn't need to win anything else. Kerry can get all the remaining states and end up with a 269/269 tie. With a 269 total electorial vote count, Bush will win by default in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives tiebreaker. As long as Bush has Ohio (which is mathematically most likely), he wins.

Hello, Ohio is Electoral 20 votes.

Bush 254 + 20 = 274 bush wins

Kerry = 252 + 20 = 272 Kerry Wins
Even if bush gets the extra 12 from Iowa and New Mexico (7 & 5 respectivly), Kerry would win 266 to 272.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708829)

You totally missed his point. With Ohio, Bush has 269. If Kerry somehow managed to get Nevada (unlikely), New Mexico (possible), Iowa (maybe) and all the rest, he'd only have 269, and it would be a tie. However, it appears Bush has Nevada and has Ohio, so he seems to have won. It is unlikely that Kerry will pull over 75% of the vote in valid provisional ballots and late absentee ballots.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708832)

Informative? Bullshit.

Ohio = 20
Iowa = 7
New Mexico = 5

270 needed to win the electoral vote.

Bush = 254
Kerry = 252

Assuming no state does a flip flop, who ever takes Ohio's 20 votes will win.

Bush is leading by 138,866 according to CNN
This is down from 147,613 1 hour ago according to CNN

According to johnkerry.com 250,000 votes remain uncounted in Ohio. Who ever gets those votes WINS.

Re:Give it up Kerry (1)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708845)

According to johnkerry.com 250,000 votes remain uncounted in Ohio. Who ever gets those votes WINS.

My apologies, I haven't been keeping up with the latest numbers (:

As for the above statement, you do realize that both candidates will receive portions of the vote that correspond to the distribution of normal Ohio voters? If it's anything like the typical vote, there's no chance for Kerry. Again, it's highly unlikely that Kerry will win.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708869)

As for the above statement, you do realize that both candidates will receive portions of the vote that correspond to the distribution of normal Ohio voters? If it's anything like the typical vote, there's no chance for Kerry. Again, it's highly unlikely that Kerry will win.

I don't know.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that.
Bush leads by 138,152 @ 05:30AM
Bush was leading by 138,866 @ 05:12AM
Bush was leading by 147,613 @ 04:15AM

Bush is indeed loosing his lead, so at present it's anyone's guess who the next president will be. Can we say Flordia 2000? Who ever wins it will be one amazing race!

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708859)

According to Ohio's Secretary of State there are up to 175,000. The Democrats pulled 250,000 out of their ass. So Bush has 138,866? Well, Kerry needs 138,866 of those ballots to be valid and for him to even keep things even. Even if there are 250,000, that means he needs 55,568 of the remaining 111,134 to secure a win. That's 194,434 votes of the 250,000 that must be valid and for Kerry, or 77.7%. Hah, good luck on that.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708897)

According to Ohio's Secretary of State there are up to 175,000. The Democrats pulled 250,000 out of their ass. So Bush has 138,866? Well, Kerry needs 138,866 of those ballots to be valid and for him to even keep things even. Even if there are 250,000, that means he needs 55,568 of the remaining 111,134 to secure a win. That's 194,434 votes of the 250,000 that must be valid and for Kerry, or 77.7%. Hah, good luck on that

Now down to 137,297, a change of 1,569 in 1/2 hour. I'm not going to say Kerry will take Ohio, only that it's still too close to call.

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708971)

make that 136221 now....

Re:Give it up Kerry (2, Insightful)

foofie (791370) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708740)

Look, I voted for Kerry, but wtf is he thinking? Once all Ohio's precincts are in Bush will lead by something near 140,000 votes. The highest number I am hearing is 175,000 provisional ballots outstanding, lets be generous and say 200,000. Last election 90% were legit, lets be generous and say 95% are legit. 200,000 * .95 = 190,000. to make up 140,000 with 190,000. Kerry needs to get 140000/190000 = 73.7%. Kerry has not gotten this percentage in any other state in the country, not MA, not NY, nowhere. Its just impossible folks

Re:Give it up Kerry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708753)

And that would just make up the deficit. He'd still need to win 25,000 of the other 50,000 remaining votes or 165,000 total. 86.8% of the vote!

Re:Give it up Kerry (2, Funny)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708790)

It would appear that Kerry's mathematical skills are as poor as Bush's grammatical skills.

Re:Give it up Kerry (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708936)

73.7%. Kerry has not gotten this percentage in any other state in the country, not MA, not NY, nowhere

Kerry got 89.5% of the vote in DC, but I take your point - the rest of the post is probably true.

Sorry, I can't hear you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708548)

...seems to be a data congestion problem...

Calls (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708550)

Those calls really helped too.

Tracing (1)

Malestyr (824045) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708558)

Why are they tracing the calls to democrats?

Re:Tracing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708570)

Because more democrats understand how to use a telephone, yet alone VoIP software.

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Remember! 11 more days! Provisional Votes Count!!

4 MORE WARS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708757)

Enjoy it you fucking commies -- That's right, 4 more years.

If we're lucky, maybe we can even find some terrorism in Europe's pocket. I mean, you all have pissed on a president who now doesn't have to worry about becoming reelected.

What could his swan song be? Maybe we could kill all the fucking fags in MA. I mean we have to have a non-gay marriage amendment for sure now. Maybe we can finally invade & "domesticate" France. WHO KNOWS WHAT IS POSSIBLE? YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF COMMIE FAGS AND YOU HAVE NOW LOST YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS.

Oh and PS -- This just goes to show you that liberals are just fucktards with big mouths. Before this election, you would have though no one would have voted for bush ... but in reality, it was all probably 20 people from CA posting all over the internet. Oh and PS++: I don't care how bad you shake Michael, I don't think you need dead babies to help you. Can't you just sit back on all that Family Ties bling bling and smoke a blunt or something? F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-FAGGOT

Re:Tracing (1, Troll)

Technician (215283) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708827)

To get 15 thousand calls out in one day, you need more than just a home PC and a sound card. This is a comercial operation such as a call center with a full phone bank for the telemarkers.

The Democrats really are pushing hard to get back in.. Really hard. They needed a full staff of pushy salesmen. The Republicans ran on steadfastness and not policy today by today's poll. Honesty does not require as much salesmanship to convince people.

Oops this is libral Slashdot.. Time to grab the asbestos....

Re:Tracing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708907)

I just fucked your mom, and now she's pregnant. Whoops, you conservatives don't believe in abortion. Enjoy your new brother bitch. Feed him some freedom fries, while your job gets outsourced to Sudan. Enjoy your life.

Not just Democrats (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708562)

I called my mom to celebrate a Bush victory via VoIP. It's cheap long distance.

Re:Not just Democrats (0, Redundant)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708614)

Bush has yet to win. There are 11 more days for provisional ballots to be counted, and then the Electoral College votes. Ohio is not done counting.

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Provisional votes COUNT!

Re:Not just Democrats (1)

koolB (149856) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708695)

Kerry would need a 4/5 provisional to win.

Sorry Charlie Libs are for Kids.

BTW: The power of denial is amazing.

Of Course! (1)

JiffyJeff (693994) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708571)

My wife and I rarely use our Vonage account.
However, we have dialed just about every family member we know of in the last 24-hours trying to get them out to the polls. Since we're both at home, we might as well use our "landline."
DUH!

Re:Of Course! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708801)

wow you two sound like a fun couple. i would sure like to be in your phone book.

I for one (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708583)

"The calls were traced to mostly Democratic volunteers making calls in key battleground states"

Surely I'm not the only one that finds this statement rather disturbing.

traced? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708585)

how the hell can they trace it to "democrats", wow, talk about Orwells 1984 in action.

Re:traced? (4, Interesting)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708593)

Seems more like they monitor them. With some of these VoIP agreements, you let them not only track your calls, but monitor them. Read your agreements. This has changed for many of them since they started, but some still do have a monitoring provision.

Re:traced? (1)

koi88 (640490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708682)


With some of these VoIP agreements, you let them not only track your calls, but monitor them.

I would still think they would only monitor calls if the caller is a criminal or suspicious (or terrorist, as they're called now -- but maybe being a democrat is nowadays enough to qualify as potential terrorist).

Re:traced? (3, Insightful)

Razzak (253908) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708728)

Remove the tin-foil hat man. When your network usage spikes, you find out whose spiking it. When you find out whose spiking, you might call them up and ask why.

Just a thought.

Re:traced? (1)

Technician (215283) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708816)

If you read the article, it mentions some specific costomers. One made 15K calls in one day. This kind of customer is commercial. It simply shows up in the billing statement/logs. Now if the consumer just happened to be a Democrat call center... with volunteers manning the phone bank..

Does any of this make sense? It's not rocket science. It's log files, high traffic, and comercial customer accounts, IE, call center with lots of phones. The provider is going to know who has the account.

spam (1, Insightful)

fuckwhatisthishotmai (827812) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708591)

i call it spam

Re:spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708623)

Spammity spam, wonderful spam! [chorus]
Spammity spam, wonderful spam! [chorus]
Spa-a-a-a-a-a-a-ahm
Spa-a-a-a-a-a-a-am.......

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The classics never die.

VOIP, the FCC and the Telcos (4, Insightful)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708595)

The VOIP boom is just beginning - the effect on the Telcos cannot be overestimated.

Since the FCC is (currently) Republican, except harder regulation in the upcoming Presidential term on VOiP carriers.

It's a stretch though, to imagine that Democrats are larger VOIP users than Republicans - that's data mining carried to the extreme.

Re:VOIP, the FCC and the Telcos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708844)

The FCC chairman Michael Powell says he likes VOIP and that it will change the industry. He's talked about looking into the possibility of regulating it, but I haven't heard any discussion of any severe regulations under consideration.

There are plenty of valid complaints about the way Michael Powell is running things, but I don't think his position on VOIP is one of them. It's safe for now.

Re:VOIP, the FCC and the Telcos (1)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708849)

Since the FCC is (currently) Republican, except [sic, expect?] harder regulation in the upcoming Presidential term on VOiP carriers.

What a croc. Do you honestly believe that the Republican Party can control the FCC? Sure, Michael Powell is a republican and the titular head of the FCC, but you must understand that the org itself is a huge bureaucracy with many many career bureaucrats, managers, and engineers.

Beyond, that, why would the FCC (assuming it is controled by one party or the other), try to pervert or slow down the VoIP market for political reasons? What is to gain? There is absolutely nothing advantageous to one party or the other in trying to steer the VoIP market.

Show me millions of dollars in donations from ATT to the GOP, then maybe I will give an ear to your accusation. Otherwise, it is tripe.

mostly Democratic volunteers (5, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708597)

> The calls were traced to mostly Democratic volunteers making calls in key
> battleground states."

Well, given that they'll all be crying, I guess at least there'll be a good compression ratio!

Or... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708708)

Preparing for a possible civil war. (I think Bush will strike first but blame the democrats, before the provisional ballots or recounts or appeals are done).

Don't forget: in the event of a civil war, food shipments may be irregular, so plant a garden.

Re:Or... (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708789)

But but but......liberals don't believe in gun ownership. I guess that means Repubs and Libertarians win by default.

Ohhh how love the irony. *grin*

Yay for phonespam (1)

coffin_birth (808593) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708632)

Mmmm... over-the-phone propaganda. My favourite kind. Democratic spam! (I'm a Democrat too) Anyone think Bush is the loser besides me? I'm stuck on it.

What have you done?????? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708636)

Oh my god, how can be reelected again a patetic monkey such George W. Bush?? I can't believe USA is so stupid. I thought 4 years of global shit was enought to fire that crazy man... But of course USA is different. I hope american people wouldn't suffer too much because of this. The only thing I can assure is that Europe, China and other powerful countries are going to lead in the 21st century.
It's a shame, it was a good opportunity for USA to show the world they could do the right thing.

Re:What have you done?????? (-1, Redundant)

tonsofpcs (687961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708651)

Bush has not won yet. Votes have yet to be counted.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708692)

Yea but it does seem like he's gonna win. He leads in the popular vote, which is REALLY scary!

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708862)

Yea but it does seem like he's gonna win. He leads in the popular vote, which is REALLY scary!

Not really. It just goes to show how politically out of touch /. is. I don't go to a political forum to keep up to date on the latest and greatest of all things geek. Hopefully now that Moore, Soros, and the hate-mongers at MoveOn have all been proven irrelevant, maybe the Democrats can wrestle back control of their party from the fringe.

Re:What have you done?????? (1)

shrewmy (37432) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708735)

Sorry man but as of now Bush is back up to +145k votes in Ohio with 99% reported, and it's just been going up. I think it's a lost cause now. Look on the bright side, in four more years Bush can never be president again!!!
Unless of course something unspeakable happens and he decides to declare himself emporor or something, which sadly I can almost see him doing.
While making that freakin corny grin like he just let a SBD go.

Re:What have you done?????? (1)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708904)

Look on the bright side, in four more years Bush can never be president again!!!

What makes you think that in 4 more years there will still be an America?

Mod me up insightful man.. but remember what Usama said?

Re:What have you done?????? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708681)

Perhaps if foreigners had stayed out of trying to influence the Ohio election, the outcome might have been different. We don't like outsiders telling us what to do.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708710)

Of course, you like telling outsiders what to do, which is okay because you're so fucking moral and upright. Go sodomise yourself with a freedom fry, bitch.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708733)

I've never told any foreigner who they should vote for in their election.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708741)

Yea, that's because you're too fucking busy killing them. Leave the world alone, and it will leave you alone too. Stop telling the rest of the world how to live thier lives, and we'll stop caring about your election.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708760)

Uh huh. People in Afghanistan were upset because we DIDN'T help them after their war with the Russians. We left, and they fell into Taliban control. That bit us on the ass.

I've also never seen a foreign country, other than Cuba, refuse United States aid. Even North Korea, who hates us, takes our food and medical aid.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708875)

It's nice how the "truth" as fed to you in your country is that Afghanistan wanted American help. As I recall it, it was more America who wanted to make sure Afghanistan didn't turn communist. Which is when you start arming and training a bunch of islamic fundamentalists....this debate is pointless anyway, simply becuase people inside America are shown one thing, and people outside america are shown something else, though I assume the turh probably lies somwhere in between. Bottom line - stop supplying f-16s to Pakistan and India doesn't need those nukes anymore. Stop supporting a whole bunch of ugly dictators in Africa and watch how a continent slowly starts to develop. You want the world to stop commenting about your elections, then stop commenting about the world. But you're obviously too dense to understand it works both ways, typically American.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708747)

That "patetic" monkey just slammed the liberals and the rest of the world again. Mastermind is the word. IE, he is smarter than all of the world. So are the Americans that vote for him.

You and everyone you know are better off because of it. The day america votes in a liberal like you will be the day that you will wish bush was back in charge of the world.

Re:What have you done?????? (0, Offtopic)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708788)


Mastermind is the word. IE, he is smarter than all of the world. So are the Americans that vote for him.

I think it's easy to underestimate Bush. He says a lot of stupid things. . . Internets?

But, as this election has proved, having your opponent(s) underestimate you is always an advantage.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708808)

word. oh and to the OP, I don't think it's the US that is going to suffer. More like you EuroFags can't guilt the US around for at least another 4 years. God it is funny to watch how upset all you socialists get at the sight of a backbone.

Re:What have you done?????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708894)

See the problem is that Bush's backbone is inside his skull. That's what makes us upset. Go back to your little trailer, buddy and keep pretending your wearing red underwear on the ourside, saving the world from itself.

To our foreign friends (What have you done??????) (1, Insightful)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708810)

"Oh my god, how can be reelected again a patetic monkey such George W. Bush?? I can't believe USA is so stupid. I thought 4 years of global shit was enought to fire that crazy man... But of course USA is different. I hope american people wouldn't suffer too much because of this. The only thing I can assure is that Europe, China and other powerful countries are going to lead in the 21st century.
It's a shame, it was a good opportunity for USA to show the world they could do the right thing."

Not to feed the troll, but it needs to be said. What we have done is elect the man of *our* choice to protect *our* interests, the same as the people of any other country with a choice will elect the leader *they* think will protect *their* interests. That the interests of the U.S.A. and that of other countries, many of which aren't exactly our friends in deed, (despite platitudes to the contrary, and some quite vocally and even materially opposed to nearly anything pro-U.S.) differs greatly is to be expected.

Cheers

Strat

Re:To our foreign friends (What have you done????? (1)

black mariah (654971) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708831)

Would this be the same Strat from Maxforums, by chance? Haven't been THERE in a while... :(

Re:To our foreign friends (What have you done????? (1)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708857)

" Would this be the same Strat from Maxforums, by chance? Haven't been THERE in a while... :("

No, sorry..never even visted there, let alone posted. Although with such apparently refined tastes in both guitars and s/n's, he must be a particularly charming and intelligent fellow, not to mention devilishly good-looking. :-D

Strat

Re:To our foreign friends (What have you done????? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708866)

Democracies get the leaders they deserve. We were screwed no matter how the election turned out. I give the US 50 years tops before it collapses.

MODDED TROLL?? (1)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708918)

Don't usually reply to my own posts, but it's funny to see how the mods take a simple polite and thoughtful reply pointing out that different countries will elect leaders that best reflect their own interests as a troll if it disagrees with their interests and biases. Sort of makes my point, in a sad way. Thanks for the empirical proof.

Cheers

Strat

Re:What have you done?????? (2, Insightful)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708823)


It's a shame, it was a good opportunity for USA to show the world they could do the right thing.

The right thing was to ditch all the political parties, eliminate all entangling alliances, and try and bridge the values gap between certain sections of the country (North and South).

Oh wait, wasn't that what Washington said hundreds of years ago?

Congratulations (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708825)

More than 50% of the American people supports the president who started a war and deceived his people and the world about the prerequisite of that war. Regardless of the outcome of the election, the world will remember the statement you as a country gave to the world today.

Re:Congratulations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708851)

Isn't it rich?
Are we a pair?
Me here at last on the ground,
You in mid-air.
Send in the clowns.

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the clowns?
Send in the clowns.

Just when I'd stopped opening doors,
Finally knowing the one that I wanted was yours,
Making my entrance again with my usual flair,
Sure of my lines,
No one is there.

Don't you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don't bother, they're here.

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer,
Losing my timing this late
In my career?
And where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns.
Well, maybe next year.

Re:Congratulations (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708965)

the world will remember the statement you as a country gave to the world today.

Will the world remember the election as a statement? No, but hell no. My dear, misguided European friend. Let me tell you what the world will really remember in the years to come:

  1. Nuc'lear exchange with DPRK. Oh yea. It's on, baby. I guarantee if DPRK tries out a nuke, there will be a response that levels the country.
  2. Air Strikes on Iranian Nuke Plants. We might let the Israelis handle this. Or we might just do it ourselves. Either way, it looks like the Iranians have too much pride to back down on the production of weapons-grade U238. So, it will be taken out, the current chaos in Iraq notwithstanding.
  3. Mass graves in Falluja. Look for about 3K casualties in 'bout a month, give or take. Rock 'n' roll. If we can't establish order by rebuilding schools, then by god we'll level the fucking place. WE... HAVE... A... MANDATE... from the US voters to handle those fuckers with extreme prejudice, no matter how unfair it seems. Do you honestly think the shame of some massacre will shock the US population? No. Abu Ghraib shows us that you can even photograph the abuses, and we (the US population) will not fucking care.


So, while you might think some political vote will make a mark on the world's memory, in truth, it will be the blood and gore that will leave the longest lasting impression.

Now, you might think that this post was a bit of a flame or troll. And in truth, I had a little fun writing it. But honestly, if you really believe what you posted, then you have to admit that we're not done invading countries.

Perhaps instead you looked at the U.S. election for some sort of apology for the past? My dear little Eurotrash, that would be absurd in America. You see, in America our elections are about the future. We do not apologize, even if we're wrong.

I do appreciate your post, however, since it helps us Republican right-wing wackos gain courage, and claim that we have some mandate or license to run rampage around the world. Keep taunting us, and for God's sake don't try to reason with us. I can assure you, we won't disappoint your expectations.

am I the only one? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708912)

Am I the only one that knows not a single person that went to vote under 30 who didn't vote for Kerry? And did anyone else see a fairly lacking percentage of people over 30 at the polls? Has not Kerry been said to completely decimate Bush in the under-30 demographic?

Makes me wonder how the hell Bush got such a majority. Diebold, possibly. Diebold is, after all, in bed with the Republicans.

OT: VOIP number portability? (1)

Laven (102436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10708923)

On the subject of VOIP, does anyone know if you can transfer land or cell numbers to VOIP just like you can with cell phones?

Sigh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10708957)

In Soviet Russia, Kerry Wins... :-(
IN other news researchers discovered that most American Democrats have moved to Canada, thus skewing the American vote to be Republican.
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