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USAF Studies Teleportation

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the deficits-don't-matter dept.

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ArchAngel21x writes "Star Trek fans may be happy to hear that the Air Force has paid to study psychic teleportation. But scientists aren't so thrilled. The Air Force Research Lab's August 'Teleportation Physics Report', posted earlier this week on the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) Web site, struck a raw nerve with physicists and critics of wasteful military spending."

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For the love of..... (5, Insightful)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738430)

Initially I thought this may have some relevance to encryption as there is a phenomenon of quantum teleportation that appears to have some scientific validity and would have significance in military and strategic planning and communication. However, when I actually started reading the article, at first I could not stop laughing until I reached this part:

From the linked .pdf :An experimental program similar in fashion to the Remote Viewing program should be funded at $900,000 - 1,000,000 per year in parallel with a theoretical program funded at $500,000 per year for an initial five-year duration.

What!!!!!???? I am thunderstruck that this recommendation could be made. 1.5 Million dollars for essentially a program that the CIA back in the 1970's decided was full of crap and decided to abandon. By the way, the CIA's program was ill conceived and full of it back then too amounting to a huge waste of taxpayer dollars.

Other conclusions in the document are: "We will need a physics theory of consciousness and psychotronics, along with more experimental data, in order to test the hypothesis in Section 5.1.1 and discover the physical mechanisms that lay behind the psychotronic manipulation of matter." What can I say? The status of basic science education among those who make funding decisions within certain areas of government are pitiful.

Even worse is this statement: "This phenomenon could generate a dramatic revolution in technology, which would result from a dramatic paradigm shift in science. Anomalies are the key to all paradigm shifts! " which has got to be the work of someone with a marketing background and absolutely no self respect in the scientific community. A document like this would be laughed out of the NIH or any other respectable scientific funding agency, but the scary thing is funding like this has always been able to go forward under the guise of military funding in crisis situations where fear abounds. Combine that with no understanding of science and this is what you get. If any of my students came up with something like this, I think I would cry.

Hey, if the Air Force wants out of the box thinkers, I can come up with all sorts of biomemetic and bioencryption stuff for 1.5 Million that would be based in scientific fact with reliable peer review science behind it.

Watch out when your sleeping tonight (3, Funny)

glrotate (300695) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738515)

Maj. Ed Dames' astral body may come kick you in the nuts.

Re:Watch out when your sleeping tonight (3, Funny)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738534)

Maj. Ed Dames' astral body may come kick you in the nuts.

Then he would have to worry about my corporal body kicking back. :-)

Re:For the love of..... (4, Interesting)

Raindance (680694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738555)

I agree with you that it's a terrible, terrible waste of money and Bad Science.

However, the statement you lambasted,

"This phenomenon could generate a dramatic revolution in technology, which would result from a dramatic paradigm shift in science. Anomalies are the key to all paradigm shifts"

is quite true, if a bit sensationalistic. I'm not certain, as you said, it shows "no understanding of science". It's a reasonable paraphrase of some of the assertions in Thomas Kuhn's 'The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" which is the backbone (along with Popper's ideas and some french folks' theories) of modern conceptions of science and how science changes.

Sometime somewhere someone really made a big mistake, and thus this research program was born. However crap it may be, though, it does show awareness of modern approaches to scientific change.

RD

Re:For the love of..... (4, Interesting)

BWJones (18351) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738595)

My criticism has more to do with the style of writing which borrows commonly used "catch words" that seem to be popular with marketing folks these days. Specifically I was referring to his use of "paradigm shifts" twice within two serial sentences. I am surprised we did not see the invocation of "world class" among other gems of marketspeak which I am loathe to include in this post.

Re:For the love of..... (4, Insightful)

Raindance (680694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738669)

Understood and agreed. I've found that bringing discussion of "paradigm shifts" into research is usually just used as a distraction to shift attention away from bad research.

RD

Re:For the love of..... (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738563)

"This phenomenon could generate a dramatic revolution in technology, which would result from a dramatic paradigm shift in science. Anomalies are the key to all paradigm shifts! "
Hey buddy, can you paradigm?

Now why is the USA going down the road to Lysenkoism? This was sort of crackpot science run under Stalin. There's an article on this shift in the USA at http://www.cosmos-club.org/journals/1995/seitz.htm l

Missile Defense (2, Informative)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738593)

Hey, compared to the billions (with a B) spent on missile defense (which has almost no chance of working) this is a drop in the bucket.

Given the choice, 8 million that MIGHT have a radical payoff is a bargain. Billions spent on a specific application of physics is pointless. Even if the system works, the only application for a missile defense system is knocking out high-speed projectiles.

It won't help with knocking out asteroids (too much kinetic energy involved) nor will it help defend against more mondane forms of attack.

Considering that the Pentagon spend $600 million on air travel, this is cake, Cake.

I be Frostee (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738433)

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Hmm. (-1, Troll)

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I know who I want to teleport to (-1, Offtopic)

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Amazing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738439)

The first two attempts to read the article, I got "Nothing to see here, move along."

Maybe someone psychically teleported the article away?

It does work! I can prove it! (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738636)

Step 1. Use PSYCHIC spam in written pdf documents to confuse the executive with buzzwords and mixed up terms.

Step 2. Use taxpayers' money to demonstrate the effect.

Step 3: Now you see it, now you don't. IT WORKS!!!!

Stupid yanks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738442)

n/t

That money would have been much better spent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738443)

on more effective kill ordinance.

Carte blanche? (2, Insightful)

October_30th (531777) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738444)

Air Force has paid to study

Heh. I guess that's like during the good old Cold War. If you just got some sort of an idea of how to beat the enemy, you've got a blank check.

Re:Carte blanche? (1)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738582)

If you just got some sort of an idea of how to beat the enemy, you've got a blank check.

apparently without putting any thought into the implications of the technology being developed! imagine for a moment that teleportation is actually developed. if this technology falls into the "wrong hands" (ie anyone who doesn't subscribe to u.s. hegemony) the result is a total and complete disaster.

with true, receiverless teleportation, no geographic area is safe. period. governments and financial/industrial institutions would need to go into hiding to avoid attack. the only form of security would be obscurity.

and that's bad.

I think there are bigger things ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738446)

... in the military budget to criticize.

USAF Save money in the long run (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738450)

They will no longer have to by troop transport planes!

Gypsies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738451)

hehe, gypsies are the new secret weapon of the united states miltary

Why is this a surprise? (5, Insightful)

gkuz (706134) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738465)

In a country in which a substantially larger portion of the population believes in the Virgin Birth than in evolution through natural selection, and which has just this week demonstrated that majority, why should anyone be surprised?

Why not? (5, Interesting)

cnelzie (451984) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738535)

...of course it probably hasn't entered into anyone's mind here that the whole thing is a 'hoax' project designed to cover up whatever actual project they might be wanting to or actually are currently working on.

No, I am not suggesting some kind of bizarre conspiracy, just some 'front project' to cover up something that may involve new laser assault/defense systems, sonic weaponry, or new methods of fighter control mechanisms or something that might be really cool, really plausible or equally 'cool' yet disturbingly vile that they would rather not explain to the American public or Congress.

So, seeing that most of the nation, albiet only by a small fraction in the larger scheme of things, would fall for such crap, they decided to trot out that story. One, to be able to push it past such science-blind people as the majority of this nation and secondly to thumb their noses at the rest of us that would know and understand such a thing is bollox, yet are unfortunately unable to do anything significant about it...

Re:Why is this a surprise? (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738591)

It's not really the same- the Virgin Birth is a traditional doctrine, endorsed by conservatives, and has been around for longer than this nation has. Psychic teleportation is New Age stuff, and the people associated with it generally take a much more liberal standpoint... and are usually a bit further away from the army.

That's an interesting lie^Wdamned lie^W^Wstatistic about the population, by the way. Was it made up on the spot like 80% of statistics are, or is there somewhere I can see it backed up?

Well (3, Insightful)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738468)

While highly implausible, the whole idea of science is to discover things that one wouldn't expect. If soundly gathered evidence suggests psychic powers or teleportation is real, then we should investigate it. If the facts fit, then no matter how much someone might not desire to accept an explanation (whether it be for or against any phenomena), it is most likely the truth.

Re:Well (4, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738548)

If soundly gathered evidence suggests psychic powers or teleportation is real, then we should investigate it.

The thing is... it doesn't.

Well-Spontanous Human Combustion. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738560)

"While highly implausible, the whole idea of science is to discover things that one wouldn't expect. If soundly gathered evidence suggests psychic powers or teleportation is real, then we should investigate it. If the facts fit, then no matter how much someone might not desire to accept an explanation (whether it be for or against any phenomena), it is most likely the truth."

We're still having trouble dealing with UFO's. What makes you think we're going to handle psychic phenomenon any better?

Re:Well (4, Funny)

BFaucet (635036) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738574)

Phychic powers have been studied for centuries. No one has made any convincing argument or presented any substantial evidence in this area.

I have also called Cleo and she said she sees the project failing.

Re:Well (4, Informative)

dlakelan (43245) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738575)

There is good science to suggest that the conservation of energy is real. This has been tested repeatedly.

There is also good science to suggest that the theory of relativity is real, every day in particle accelerators across the world it's used to make predictions that turn out.

The combination of conservation of energy, and relativity suggests that on any largish scale, there can be no teleportation. Of course these things break down when quantum theory is important, but quantum theory seems to be unlikely to be important for the teleportation of large scale objects over large distances.

the way this goes is that conservation of energy (and mass, which is energy in relativity) must be a local phenomena, because if it is non-local, then two different observers will see things differently, one sees that mass a disappears and mass b appears simultaneously at a different spot, another observer moving in a different relative frame will NOT see these as simultaneous, thereby violating conservation of energy since mass b will appear first, then mass a disappear.

when you bring in quantum theory, there is uncertainty involved, and relativity hasn't exactly been melded properly with quantum, so things get a little more muddy, but we're talking about very SMALL effects on the order of 10^-34 joule seconds (hbar).

IN other words, there is already a huge set of scientific evidence against the idea that this is possible.

Bait and Switch? (2, Insightful)

Hallowed (229057) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738472)

I'd say this is a fast one they are trying to pull to funnel the money to some black project....hell it could just be for the AF general staff coffee and doughnut fund!

Re:Bait and Switch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738620)

I work for AFRL and I think we need to be defended. We pay for our own coffes and doughnuts!

random slashdot quote (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738474)

classically, the random slashdot quote at the bottom of this article was "You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd."

Dan Tedrick

beam me down (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738479)

All this funding and they'll probably end up beaming people to their destinations.. BACKWARDS.

"Why didn't anyone tell me my ass was so big?!"

Classified (2, Insightful)

dmomo (256005) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738480)

It's probably money procured for something they don't want to tell us they are using it for.

Re:Classified (1)

Xerp (768138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738502)

Couldn't they just make any negative documents.. um.. disappear? :)

Re:Classified (1)

Tongo (644233) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738614)

The General Accounting Office still has to account for all funds that are given to the Air Force. Likewise the Air Force must account for how it used the money (or something along those lines). If the Air Force doesn't want anyone to know how much it's spending on black ops, it inflates other budgets or creates false projects (like many think this is) to have a place to stick the money, instead of just having the money disappear.

With the current administration... (5, Insightful)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738483)

With the current, rather theocratic US administration, I'm surprised they don't try training field medics in faith healing...

Re:With the current administration... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738545)

omglolz you laughed at teh bush LOLZ YOU MADEA FFUNNAY!!11

Re:With the current administration... (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738564)

What, EXACTLY, has Bush done that is Theocratic?

Please give examples.

Re:With the current administration... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738640)

He mentioned God.

Just like every other prsident in the past few hundred years...

zerg (5, Funny)

Lord Omlette (124579) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738485)

If someone gave me money to study "psychic teleportation", I'd be like "Thank you, Allah!" and immediately begin researching liquor and hookers.

"Guys, you're not gonna believe this! Last night, I as at this strip club, I closed my eyes and when I opened them, I was face down in the gutter a few blocks away!"

Stephen King's short story about teleportation (3, Informative)

WilliamsDA (567274) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738486)

Stephen King wrote a nice short story about teleportation called The Jaunt. I'm not much of a King fan, but the story is very good. In The Jaunt people can teleport between different locations, but they have to be put to sleep first, otherwise something very bad happens. Most of the story is from the perspective of a father telling his family, all of whom are about to go "Jaunting", about the history of how it was invented and its side effects. Very interesting read.

Re:Stephen King's short story about teleportation (2, Informative)

Russ Steffen (263) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738603)

That sounds a lot like Alfred Bester's "The Stars My Destination" (originaly published as 'Tiger! Tiger!'). Even the term 'jaunting' is used the same way.

Re:Stephen King's short story about teleportation (1)

MisterClever (778698) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738647)

I haven't read my "Physics of Star Trek Book" in a few years, but IIRC this is how you'd build a real 'people teleporter:'

1) Scan you down to the atomic level

2) Transmit the billions of petabytes of data to the receiving station

3) Rebuild you from the atomic level-up from the transmitted data

4) Confirm you'd been built correctly

5) Vaporize or otherwise annihilate the source person

Apparently it was step 5 that might be contentious.

What about the Christian Right? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738488)

We all know that the Christian Right voting block gets more respect than scientists these days. Aren't they up in arms about this? Teleportation sounds very un-Christian to me.

Co-incidental QOTD (0)

og_sh0x (520297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738492)

...And just when I clicked on the "Read More..." link, the QOTD at the bottom said: "You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd. "

Re:Co-incidental QOTD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738609)

I didn't need to click the link, I clicked it... with my mind!!!!!

quick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738495)

someone transport me some mod points...

Hey, if they want to waste money... (4, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738496)

I'd be more than happy to conduct research into anti-gravity, photon torpedos, inertia damping systems, faster-than-light warp drives....


Just pay me a few million, and I'll do whatever research into fantasy physics that they want. I'll even throw in a few Powerpoint presentations for good measure.


If the choice is between spending billions on reserching quackery in the military, or spending the same money on bringing US education up to decent levels, I think the education would be money better spent. We might even end up with politicians who know the difference between Sweden and Switzerland.


But if they're determined to throw money away on absurdity, then the least they can do is throw some of it in my direction. I think I could find better uses for it than anyone the USAF could hire from the Psychic Hotline.

Re:Hey, if they want to waste money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738662)

Please for the love of everything sacred, quit watching star trek for a few hours a day. You might get a girlfriend....

well Ronald Reagan did Star Wars (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738498)

Not to be outdone, someone else decided to approve a Star Trek Project. What next - someone's going to try to build Hal 9000 to decide who is placed on the do-not fly list?

Insulting... (5, Interesting)

bloggins02 (468782) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738503)

Star Trek fans may be happy to hear that the Air Force has paid to study psychic teleportation [...]

Please, this is an insult to Star Trek fans everywhere. The Star Trek vision, if anything, was about using science and technology to enhance people's lives. It was and is in no way about this pseudo-scientific nonsense. (BTW, "pseudo" in this context means "false, but masquerading as", NOT, "kinda" or "quasi".)

If anything, Star Trek fans would (and should) be appalled by this.


End of rant.

Re:Insulting... (3, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738630)

Please, this is an insult to Star Trek fans everywhere. The Star Trek vision, if anything, was about using science and technology to enhance people's lives. It was and is in no way about this pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Which is why about half the aliens they encounter are telepathic, psychic, equipped with ESP, able to transition into pure energy, or have telekinetic powers. And that was before the bloody Pah-wraiths which turned the end of Deep Space Nine into something resembling Buffy the Vampire Slayer...

Coverup (5, Funny)

Kyn (539206) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738507)

This is just the cover story. The money is really being funneled into the Stargate program.

Re:Coverup (0)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738644)

I was just thinking the same thing...

Of course, that wouldn't be "psychic" teleportation, but instead, a supremely unlikely stable wormhole established between two rings made of a supremely unlikely type of metallic stone inscribed with odd-looking symbols that vaguely represent imaginary pictures in the sky as viewed by people on Earth.

Oh wait...

By the way, did it set off anyone else's BS Meter when they first showed that all the stargates had the same symbol set, despite massive positional changes from planet to planet that would affect the "shape" of constellations? Or am I just too nerdy to live?

My 2 cents... (2, Interesting)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738508)

Who knows what government already knows that the public, and even scientists in universities, do not know. For all we know, there was a UFO that crashed and the government has discovered alien technologies. There seems to have been an exponential growth in technology. Where did it all come from?

What proof do I have? Just look at Sam Cassel.

My 2 cents...Change due. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738622)

"There seems to have been an exponential growth in technology. Where did it all come from?"

Short answer: Science (along with) technology follows an exponential curve. That whole "Building upon the Shoulders of Giants" is a hint of how. You discover thing. Others discover thing. That leads to more discoveries, by a larger group of people. Get the point? You don't need UFO's or other absurd explanations.

technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738511)

If the military dosent put money into this kinds of stuff then who will. Its never wasteful to attempt the almost impossible.

Spend Spend Spend!!! (1)

gr8images (828650) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738518)

This is cool. Who cares about the budget that much anyways? It'll all go back to the people (some of us) anyways... maybe we'll learn something

Re:Spend Spend Spend!!! (2, Insightful)

vaderhelmet (591186) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738607)

You have to remember though, that the government _does_ tax us. Significant wasteful spending, while temporarily boosting the money of a few, will eventually be distributed into the taxes of the many. In situations like this the pros and cons need to be evaluated... Anyone thinking with their head on straight would see that wasteful science is bad science.

cover story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738522)

This is probably just a cover justification. They are most likely using the money to study supersecret airplanes and such and needed a cover story. They just let the USAF spin doctors at it just to have some fun.

Really... (1)

Spytap (143526) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738525)

And we're in a deficit? Go figure...

Re:Really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738664)

You're in deficit because your country holds the world's currency's printing press and won't stop using it.

RTFA!!!! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738527)

The Air Force did NOT pay to study this. They commissioned a study and one of the recommendations was this, and they have already stated it will not be funded. Hurray for illiteracy!

It's a joke (5, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738531)

Has to be a joke. Read the PDF. The name of the sub-contractor is "Warp Drive" and the end of the document contains discussions of "negative energy" and all kinds of totally bogus junk that looks like it was culled from a Star Trek script.

Seriously, this is some fan-boy trying to rile up the millitary conspiracy theorists (and apparently doing quite well).

Until the DoD comes out and says, "yes, this is ours and we published it in all seriousness," please stop believing everything you read on the Internet.

It's a joke-What's in a rep? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738670)

"Until the DoD comes out and says, "yes, this is ours and we published it in all seriousness," please stop believing everything you read on the Internet."

DAMN! There goes Slashdot.

I think this should be encouraged... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738532)

... because the more money the US military wastes on this kind of mumbo-jumbo, the safer the rest of the world will be. I'd far rather they have remote viewing specialists, psychic teleporters and experts in yogic flying than even more guns and bombs.

Re:I think this should be encouraged... (1)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738623)

... because the more money the US military wastes on this kind of mumbo-jumbo, the safer the rest of the world will be. I'd far rather they have remote viewing specialists, psychic teleporters and experts in yogic flying than even more guns and bombs.

Bzzt... wrong answer. If the US military needs money, either taxes go up, meaning more americans go into poverty or into debt, or less is spent on educating america's youth. And if need be, the federal reserve just prints more money, devaluating the dollar and threatening the US economy. Nothing reassuring for the rest of the world really...

They could spend less money searching for... (1)

IronChefMorimoto (691038) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738533)

This research could cost a lot less if they just did some searches on dudes in comas after car wrecks who wake up and save nurses' children from burning houses, only to learn their ex married someone else and feigned the bastard child off as the new guy's:

http://www.usanetwork.com/series/thedeadzone/ [usanetwork.com]

Johnny Smith could really help save some money here.

IronChefMorimoto

Ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738536)

random quote on the bottom of the screen is "You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd."

at one time... (1)

zxnos (813588) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738539)

...the earth being round, gravity, flying, going to the moon, going to mars (hopefully soon) and other things where considered 'crackpot' ideas. while psychic teleportation appears extremely unlikley, it could happen. in my humble opinion science has barely scratched the surface. why rule anything out?

but what about..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738543)

the pattern buffers? we all know what happens when they get screwed with, a la evil William Shatner *shivers*

Couldn't hurt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738544)

I'm waiting for Bush's faith based defense system. They can hire a few dozen religious leaders to pray the missile defense system works. If it hits something then it can formally be considered a miracle.

Maybe praying can make the deficit go away? Electing Republican Presidents sure isn't working.

Skewed Priorities in Our Government's Spending (1)

darkstream (652288) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738554)

Although I'm all for investigative science, and although I'm willing to concede that we don't know everything, when I see how much money they're spending on this I have to suspect somebody's pulling somebody else's chain here. What is sad to me, however, is that if this sum of money was spent on the poor and the needy there would be an outcry about entitlements. There just isn't any balance out there. :/

U Muggles (0)

iMaple (769378) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738562)

/HarryPotter/
U muggles just love to waste money.
/HarryPotter_End/

Re:U Muggles (-1, Flamebait)

iMaple (769378) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738619)

Haha Mr Harry , finally found you. U r as dead as BSD now. Voldemort He who can not be named a.k.a. Anonymous coward on slashdot

that is nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738572)

The entire program is less than the price of an airplane, and about the price of a couple of smart bombs.

Conveniently... (1)

GlacierDragon (820368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738576)

Despite all their reports that UFO's do not exist, the report lists references to UFO encounters as partial justification for this research. "There are also a small number of credible reports of individuals who reported being teleported to/from UFOs during a UFO close encounter, which were scientifically investigated (Vallee, 1988, 1990, 1997)." I think the key line, though, is the line above that one: "Most claimed instances of human teleportation of the body from one place to another have been unwitnessed." Gee, I wonder why?

Quantum Physics and the Quantum Mind (3, Interesting)

jmulvey (233344) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738579)

I think some of the justification behind this research may be based on the fact that some researchers are starting to believe the brain is a quantum device. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind [wikipedia.org]

Quantum theory (at least mathematically) does allow for teleportation, and so capabilities such as "remote viewing" and so forth *might* be there. But who knows.

Fortune Cookie (1)

centauri (217890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738581)

The fortune cookie at the bottom of this page read(s): "You cannot achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." How apt.

From the Air Force's point of view, this is probably not as crazy as it sounds to those of us with half a brain. I can imagine some general thinking that if there's even the slightest chance of psychic teleportation being real, $50,000 isn't much to pay for a report looking into it. The same goes for things like anti-gravity. These guys probably figure that what would be a waste would be dismissing it out of hand, especially if their enemies might look into it and get the upper hand.

Basic theory of science (2, Insightful)

macaran (766186) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738596)

In my humblest of opinions, it's a silly thing for any scientist to be upset about. The basic, overarching, redundent, axiom of all physical science is "all interactions of matter in the universe are deterministic."

That is to say, there is not such thing as a "spirit realm" or "magic" or any way of controling the universe without a clear cause and effect. This is a compleatly logical assumption to make. If you don't make it, science becomes a guess work filled with "maybes." It is nessiary for the scientific method.

It is not nessisarly true. For all practical purposes it seems to be true. However, ask anyone who belives in a god, or who practices magik, and they will tell you it is falce.

You can not say a study is worthless based on an axiom. For instance, I give that all Jews are gready, therefore all people trying to deny anti-seminism are wasting time, because it's true. Likewise, I give that magical mater interactions are inpossible, therefore all people studying them are wasting time, because they don't exist.

Anyway, it probibly is a waste of time; people just need a valid argument for it being a waste. :-o

This wasn't nearly as wasteful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738600)

...as the 23 billion they spent on a crop circle-based anti-ballistic missile system.

It's about time... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738608)

I have been patiently waiting for this technology to be developed so that I will finally have a chance to contact my home planet.

I will also be able to contact my planet's rental spaceship company to tell them where to pick up their stupid craft. Next time I go with a reputable rental agency.

Coast to Coast AM (1)

HumanTorch (568372) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738611)

I think the gov't needs to have these types of programs periodically to keep all the crackpots out there focused on something... instead of becoming a danger to the rest of society. I would rather have some psychopath sitting in the middle of his living room practicing psychic teleportation than practicing shooting out of the trunk of a car.

Has anybody ever listend to Art Bell? There are some SERIOUSLY delusional people out there.

Counter-Espionage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738634)

Look, the military isn't crazy. Programs like these are used to find spies within the classified programs. There are certain scientists the military thinks are spies, so they put them into these crazy projects and watch them. If Russian intell all of a sudden starts getting word of the USAF doing psychic programs, then the US military knows they have a real spy.

Wasn't this done before?... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738639)

Isn't that why the Philidelphia Experiment happened? :|

Jon Ronson: The Road to Abu Ghraib (0, Offtopic)

imipak (254310) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738641)

Here's an extract from an excellent new book by Guardian journalist Jon Ronson. No further comment needed from me: read this and weep.

The road to Abu Ghraib [guardian.co.uk]

"In the wake of Vietnam, the US military were demoralised and prey to some fairly crazy ideas. They thought they could train 'super soldiers' with psychic powers. In this first extract from his revealing new book, Jon Ronson describes how their aspirations were perverted in the prisons of Iraq."

I should declare my own bais here. I think the USA is finished; the only question is how much damage it will cause the rest of the world in it's death throes in the next few decades.

Don't believe me? OK, just keep an eye on the US dollar vs Euro. [yahoo.com] The invisible hand is voting...

--

Underneath the blue skies
Beautiful empty dying dolls...

Not very much. . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738645)

Uh, when it comes to defense spending, 1.5 mil is nothing. . .

Flashback to 1939... (1)

EvilTwinSkippy (112490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738646)

Can you picture how ridiculous studying Nuclear Fission would have seemed before WWII. Let me see, you want to spend a pile of money to bang two superdense rocks together to make them explode? NEXT!

I WONDER IF I CAN GET A GRANT... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738648)

to drop acid, eat shrooms and smoke some truth.... seems right up their alley.

this is why I voted for Kerry (1, Insightful)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738649)

Psychic Teleportation? How about physically teleporting some modern flak jackets to Iraq. I hear we have people in danger there without them.

Summary of 88 page report (2, Funny)

Sai Babu (827212) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738651)



Maybe you can push a string after all.
But only if it's a really tiny string and there's enough grant money.

Psychic teleportation? (1, Funny)

lpangelrob2 (721920) | more than 9 years ago | (#10738654)

I have to imagine that most slashdotters engage in psychic teleportation when they try to picture themselves with the opposite sex...

Yeah, we could be together, and hold hands, and you would be my girlfriend, and... did I just say that out loud?

The only problem is that the random hot girl would probably just smack you back to reality, producing a failure rate of 100%.

RTCW-Style Research? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738661)

Did this story remind anyone of the actions of the SS in Return to Castle Wolfenstein? Research into the paranormal to create super soldiers? They've probably already started the genetic mods behind closed doors; maybe they are making this public to imply that they aren't working in secret over there.

It's either this.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10738665)

or a $1.5 million stapler. You pick.
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