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Halo 2 Reviews

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the warm-fuzzy dept.

XBox (Games) 619

SilentChris writes "As of 3 PM EST, major websites were finally 'permitted' to release their reviews of Halo 2. The verdict: near perfect scores. Check out reviews by Gamespot, IGN, and GameSpy. Bungie has done it again!"

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Boring? (-1, Troll)

Phluxed (737458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749916)

From what I understand, just as overrated as the first, but even lest innovation. Just a simple FPS, but the best a console can offer I guess.

Re:Boring? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10749949)

I thought the first Halo sucked. I played it on PC and I was bored to tears after 20 minutes. Hell, DOOM3 was better. :)

Re:Boring? (4, Insightful)

fresh27 (736896) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750284)

Halo PC is not the way people were meant to play Halo. It was released 3 years later with neglible changes. It was born on the console, and thats where the gameplay really belongs. If you start to compare it to PC games, you're just gonna complicate it and get a skewed vision of the whole thing.

HL and UT were shitty games on PS2, and Halo was a shitty game on PC. It's not often that a game makes a good trip cross platforms, and it definitely wasn't the case with Halo.

Re:Boring? (1)

pluke (801200) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749963)

The multiplayer sounds sucky, i'm just waiting for an update of perfect dark multiplayer (never been surpassed on a console IMHO). Are there bots? for us non live players even 7 player can feel a bit lonely let alone 4 player on those huge maps.

Re:Boring? (2, Interesting)

secretsquirel (805445) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750273)

There hasn't been anything new in FPS since online gameing.

Re:Boring? (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750379)

and the idea of teambased games where you dont respawn the instant you die

Re:Boring? (3, Interesting)

aweraw (557447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750325)

Thats what I think...

Halo is only thought of as 'superb' in the console arena. On PC, it was 'Just Another FPS', with nothing to distinguish it from more popular titles such as the BattelField's, FarCry, etc... the action was repetitive, the weapons bland, and the terrain was homogenous through out the entire game.

Halo 2 I believe will be more of the same, with the only real difference between the first and this sequel being the story line, and prettier graphics. It will be loved by people who own consoles, and have yet to properly experience what an FPS should really be like. I predict that gamers who are FPS purists, will have the same gripes with this games as they did with the first one.

IMO, the hype surrounding the first game was completely unwarranted... and thus I suspect the same will ring true when I bother getting around to play this.

One thing that's always bugged me ... (0, Offtopic)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749922)

... why doesn't the Halo guy get Lasik surgery?

Oh, that's the Half-Life guy?

Ummmm ... nevermind!

Re:One thing that's always bugged me ... (0, Flamebait)

nerd256 (794968) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749969)

Well, we've never seen the halo guy's eyes, so how do we know they exist? Bungie probably didn't want to bother rendering them.

As far as Mr. Freeman, you'd think the glasses would put off a lot of customers as unattractive, I mean look at the target audience.... Oh wait, nevermind

Re:One thing that's always bugged me ... (2, Insightful)

Tobias Luetke (707936) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750040)

For the same reason as the Lasik surgeons wear glasses.

Re:One thing that's always bugged me ... (1)

brain159 (113897) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750384)

It's always been my firmly-held belief (that I came up with 30 seconds ago) that the justification for the HUD in Half Life is that it's actually displayed on Gordon's glasses by means of integrated LCD (or whatever) screen stuff. Some of the Wearable Computing pioneers have the basics of that sorted already.

I dont know why.. (5, Funny)

bluewee (677282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749923)

...these reviews are so late, my copy of the game has been blowing me away for a week or so since I got it. Also my parents have been praising my newly learned language, French... :D

Re:I dont know why.. (2, Funny)

bluewee (677282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749950)

hmm the only thing that I dont like about this game is that there is this black van out side. wait I hear some other cars driving up... hmm now there seems to be a whole caravan of black SUVs driving up... I will give you an update after I go answer the door...

Re:I dont know why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10749973)

re your sig and comments, you know that funny doesn't give you any karma, right?

Re:I dont know why.. (5, Funny)

mbrewthx (693182) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750003)

Gosh I hated that version, Master Chief kept surrendering so he could go home and watch Jerry Lewis movies.

On Soviet Halo the Game reviews you!!!!!!!

Re:I dont know why.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750057)

* Gosh I hated that version, Master Chief kept surrendering so he could go home and watch Jerry Lewis movies.*

yeah.. then he went on a terrorist spree killing the invaders. that's why it's only in the french version because in usa it would be too wild concept that another mans terrorist is another mans freedom figher.

Re:I dont know why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750079)

Haha, here come the french jokes again.

hmm (0, Redundant)

che.kai-jei (686930) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749927)

hmm

Permitted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10749929)

error... not "near perfect" score:
permission denied

Wow, bungie has done it again!

-Regards,
disillusioned HL2 fan

All our hopes are on Halo 2 (2, Funny)

The_Mystic_For_Real (766020) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749932)

Since we haven't played a good single player FPS game since Halo 1!

Re:All our hopes are on Halo 2 (4, Insightful)

Tobias Luetke (707936) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750059)

Thats a very bold thing to say with a worldclass game as Chronicles of Riddick readily available !

Re:All our hopes are on Halo 2 (1)

PKPerson (784484) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750344)

I Its not that the single player is bad, just halo will be just like any other game. Recently, we have seen many new high quality engines come out (The Doom 3 engine and CryEngine) that are sure to lead to a brand new set of completly unique games that are likly to blow us away. Halo 2 will be just like the original, plus computer is the only true playform for FPS's.

Hope the level design is better this time (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10749934)

Halo 1 had horrible level design. For some stages level design went like this:

1. Take a room and make 20 identical copies
2. Join all the rooms together with corridors
3. ???
4. Profit

Absolutely horrible. The alien spaceship was some of the worst level design I have seen in the last 5 years. I hope things are better this time.

Re:Hope the level design is better this time (2, Informative)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750219)

I think they went too far the other way this time. The levels are so huge and complex that on several occations I was completly lost for 20 minutes or more.

Not Credible Sources (4, Insightful)

fux0rbob (787723) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749936)

Unfortunately, these sources can't be considered credible. Which may sound like a troll, but it's not. These people are funded by advertisers. Advertisers like Microsoft and Nintendo and Sony. These sources will almost *always* report favorible, if not glowing reviews of the major advertisers' games.

Re:Not Credible Sources (5, Funny)

Billobob (532161) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749967)

Hi, my name is proof. Where am I?

Re:Not Credible Sources (5, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750216)

Hi, my name is proof. Where am I?

I don't know, but they keep asking for you in Missouri.

Re:Not Credible Sources (1, Insightful)

pilot1 (610480) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750004)

Umm.. no, I find that the IGN and Gamespot reviews are accurate 99.9% of the time. If I liked the game, IGN/Gamespot are sure to have given it a good rating. If I didn't, they're sure to have rated it badly and to explain why.

Re:Not Credible Sources (3, Insightful)

Templaris (754690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750108)

Gamespot's reviews are generally not to far distant from the large number of reader reviews they get. Also it depends mainly on the author. Some authors seem to like a type of game more than another. In the past couple years I dont think I seen Gamespot give a PC game higher than a 9.4. I have never seen them give a game a much higher score than it deserved. Have you played Halo 2 yet? Play it, then cast your judgement.

MASTER CHIEF DIES IN HALO 2! (0, Troll)

Adouma (826526) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749937)

(Spoiler Warning.)

LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750329)

I think you mixed up the Subject and Comment!

I've never understood the obsession with Halo (5, Insightful)

Tojo-Mojo (707846) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749941)

To me, it was like you were just going through the same repeating rooms over and over fighting endless hoards of monsters. Especially the library. I didn't play all the way through, I gave up once I got to the part where you go through the core stage again - only this time BACKWARDS! I think I had more fun playing Unreal 2 or Red Faction or other games that got considerably less critical acclaim.

I guess I just don't get the big selling point behind Halo- do people just like it for the action? I mean the story was interesting, but the levels definately were not.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1)

Bionic_Baboon (684462) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750005)

I agree with the library part. Most of the levels are decent, but once you get to the library it looks like the game designere just gave up. All it is is you killing the same three types of monsters for about 15 minutes, and the map is even worse. It's repetitive and you can tell that parts of it are the same part you just fought through, just with the monsters coming from the other wall.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750007)


There are two basic reasons why Halo is so popular.

1) All those people that own X-boxes, but have never seriously gamed on a computer got thier first real exposure to an FPS game.

2) Even before X-box live, LAN action exposed these same people to FPS multiplayer gaming.

This is simply Quake for another generation of people that missed the first round 5 years previously. (The Quake brand *still* has huge draw, even after two mis-matched (although excellently executed) sequels, and many people are hoping that the next one fixes the Doom 3 multiplayer problem (i.e. that it sucks)).

Halo is simply another Quake, but for a different set of people.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750399)

Okay, I've had enough of the people saying Halo on Xbox is only for people that have never "really gamed".

I've gamed heaps - still remember Wolfenstein 3D when it was the best thing out there. Used to kick my friends butts at Doom and Quake. Quake 2 and beyond just didn't appeal to me though.

Tried Unreal Tournament, and didn't like it. Just my personal preference I suppose.

I've got an XBox, and I love Halo. Don't know why, just the feel for the game, moving around, the environments. Multiplayer is heaps of fun too. It is much easier to transport an Xbox to a friends house for some multiplayer than a whole computer. Most of my friends have a spare TV, none have a spare monitor lying around.

Controls - don't mind them at all. I prefer to be pulling on a trigger when shooting than clicking on a button. I find using the dual analogue joysticks great for moving and looking around.

I find the weapons and health system to be well balanced. A good player will get 3-4 kills for every one of a bad player. The point here is that a bad player can still frag a good player every now and again.

The only complaint I have is that you run so darn s..l..o..w..l..y...

I don't like Microsoft as much as the next /. fanboy, but I do enjoy Halo, and I do enjoy getting the XBox out every now and again for some fun.

I'm looking forward to Halo 2. Unfortunately, exams finish for me on the 16th, so I think I might just wait a week before getting it....

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750116)

Halo is primarily played by console gamers, who haven't had a decent shooter since Goldeneye. So even a subpar shooter in 2004 blows away the crap they've been getting. Halo wasn't bad by any means, but it deserved more of a 7 than a 10.

I don't know what has all these console gamers fooled, but you simply can NOT create a good shooter without mouse and keyboard. When Microsoft gets off their asses and releases the PC version of Halo 2, I'll probably warez it and give it a try. I might actually be tempted to purchase the game if it lives up to the hype.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750308)

I don't know what has all these console gamers fooled, but you simply can NOT create a good shooter without mouse and keyboard.

I think you're forgetting about (for example) Perfect Dark and Timesplitters 2, along with (as you mentioned) Goldeneye. Why do you consider said games not to be worthy, other than "no mouse and keyboard = automatic doom"?

There may not be many good console FPS's out there, but they do exist.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750133)

Actually my favorite part of Halo was the music.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1)

EvilAlien (133134) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750238)

See the point above about it being the best shooter a console can offer. I think that is it in a nutshell. Consoles and FPS games is a fairly awkward combination, but for some reason people like Halo. I've never played Halo on the Xbox, and I'm not sure I care to after playing it on the PC. I'm still debating getting Halo 2 now or waiting for the PC version, which is still a far superior gaming platform.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (-1, Troll)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750251)

Console-only gamers don't have a clue about what makes an FPS good, because they have a totally different experience playing FPS games than PC gamers. A good console FPS is one where the control scheme sort of makes up for the fact that only an idiot would want to play an FPS with a console gamepad as opposed to a keyboard/mouse combo. A good console FPS makes up for consoles having miniscule amounts of RAM, forcing limited texture sets, a limited number of enemy types in each level, and small levels.

Metroid Prime is another great example of this. It took all the fun out of FPS gaming by slowing the game down, crippled the AI and added in auto-aim, and replaced big levels with levels that require endless backtracking across jumping puzzles to keys and switches. In short, it was just a typical platform jumping game from a first-person perspective.

But as long as there are clueless numbskulls out there willing to spend $50 on a shitty FPS because they want to play the cool games that PC gamers get to play, there will be companies like Bungie excreting these pitiful examples of the genre and milking the cash cow for years.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750318)



Metroid Prime is another great example of this. It took all the fun out of FPS gaming by slowing the game down, crippled the AI and added in auto-aim, and replaced big levels with levels that require endless backtracking across jumping puzzles to keys and switches. In short, it was just a typical platform jumping game from a first-person perspective.


Hi, umm, Metroid WAS, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE a platform jumping game.

If you expted anything else from a Metroid game, that's your own problem.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750320)

i think the first problem with metroid prime would be you thinking its an fps. its a fucking adventure game, your dumb cunt, it just happens to be from the first person perspective

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (5, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750345)

. A good console FPS is one where the control scheme sort of makes up for the fact that only an idiot would want to play an FPS with a console gamepad as opposed to a keyboard/mouse combo.

See my other post on this subject.

Metroid Prime is another great example of this. It took all the fun out of FPS gaming by slowing the game down, crippled the AI and added in auto-aim, and replaced big levels with levels that require endless backtracking across jumping puzzles to keys and switches. In short, it was just a typical platform jumping game from a first-person perspective.

Metroid Prime is NOT meant to be played as an FPS or "typical platform jumping game". If you did, you're missing the whole point of the game and, dare I say, the entire Metroid series (if you've even played any of the others, which I doubt).

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (0, Troll)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750348)

as opposed to a keyboard/mouse combo

Input devices aimed for entering text (the keyboard was first designed for the typewriter!) and for selecting large objects with a margin of error are somehow better than a controller that was half-designed with Halo in mind.

Oh, and people who buy consoles are innately less of a human beings.

You make a lot of sense.

Re:I've never understood the obsession with Halo (1)

Benw5483 (731259) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750403)

I guess I just don't get the big selling point behind Halo- do people just like it for the action? I mean the story was interesting, but the levels definately were not.
Perhaps the appeal behind Halo lies within its excellent multiplayer gameplay. If you've never played with at least 6 other people over lan on Halo you most likely won't understand all the hype behind it. It makes for one hell of an experience because it brings great multiplayer from the computer room to the living room and dorm room...

Not soo good... (5, Funny)

grazzy (56382) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749944)

I've been playing this game for almost two weeks now, and yeah well, I gotta tell you, it has a couple of flaws.

1) Everyone speaks french? What is up with that?
2) It doesn't work with xbox live gameplay...
3) My xbox now says I'm banned from xbox live?!

I give it 5/10 for good efforts, but why french??

Yawn...... (-1, Troll)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749955)

Having played the first one when it was great and then again once they released it and it was repetitive and boring I cant say I realy give a damn anymore. Besides, what the hell are you doing playing a FPS on a console?

Re:Yawn...... (2, Insightful)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750129)

what the hell are you doing playing a FPS on a console?

My console is connected to my 80 inch projection TV. I laugh at your puny 21" monitor. Who cares if your resolution is 1600x1200 and you have a mouse? I guarantee that you FPS games are way more fun on my system than yours!

PA (4, Interesting)

mentalflossboy (811716) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749957)

Hell, even Penny Arcade [penny-arcade.com] liked it.

Couldnt disagree more. (5, Informative)

hine_uk (783556) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749958)

From ...ahem play testing at a uh friends house...all the way through I got to be honest when I say I wish I didnt have this arriving in the post in a weeks time. The magic of the first one jsut isnt there. Its about half the length and you can tell that it is just getting strugn out into a fresh "chapter" each year. It dosent play as smoothly, the multiplayer aspect of it is lacking compared to the first, the story is not as tight and fun as the first and its about half the length. To be honest it feels more like an expansion pack rather than a full and slaved over game. Its just a pity that the magazines jump on the bandwagon. It deserves to do well just not as well as it will do. Instad of your own money ask for it as a gift for christmas or thanksgiving. You wont feel so let down.

Re:Couldnt disagree more. (0, Offtopic)

kormoc (122955) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750006)

Yeah, getting something that sucks for christmas and telling your family to get you said sucky object while knowing it's sucky is sooo much better then buying it yourself, why you'd get to complain to your family!

Like your game jr?
No dad, it's the major suck!
So why'd you ask for it?
Because I wanted it but didn't want to buy it.
why not?
Because it's the major suck!

yeah, wonderful...

Again? (4, Insightful)

cK-Gunslinger (443452) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749968)

When did they do it the first time? I mean, did any of these people even play the first Halo? Cooperative play on the XBox was pretty cool, but other than that, it as a bland and boring game with bland and boring graphics, sounds, weapons, gameplay, etc.

Re:Again? (5, Insightful)

badasscat (563442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750063)

When did they do it the first time? I mean, did any of these people even play the first Halo? Cooperative play on the XBox was pretty cool, but other than that, it as a bland and boring game with bland and boring graphics, sounds, weapons, gameplay, etc.

I normally consider posts like these trolls, but I have to agree in this case. Some of Halo was pretty nice, but it was balanced by all the backtracking, by all the bland interior levels, and by a complete lack of consistency. Overall I don't see what's all that different about it than a lot of other mediocre sci-fi shooters.

Standards for FPS's on consoles are different, and lower. I think Xbox owners were also just happy as hell to have an FPS that looked as good as Halo did (for a console FPS), and that was good for a launch game. It's definitely way, way overrated though, and if the first game had come out at this point in the system's lifespan I doubt it'd make the same sort of splash. Of course, now it's got almost this mythical quality to it, so of course you get reviewers giving it 9s and 10s because hell, it's practically the same game, so people are going to have to love it just as much, right?

Well, I own an Xbox, and Halo 2 is not at the top of my wish list. FPS's belong on PC's anyway, with proper controls and higher detail levels (required for recognizing and then sniping distant enemies). Nuts to Bungie.

Re:Again? (5, Interesting)

Firehawke (50498) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750110)

What really gets me is how the Gamespot review spends over half the review glossing over the flaws and then they still give it a near-perfect score.

I admit I actually liked the original Halo-- it had a different feel and the enemies had some character to them, but the review I just read makes Halo 2 sound like they didn't even bother to work on the biggest issues of the original at all and in fact came out a lot worse in a few areas while only improving mildly here or there.

I guess the reviewers really ARE taking payoffs these days...

Re:Again? (5, Insightful)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750149)

I agree. I am the kind of person who doesn't pass judgement on a game until I've played it. I haven't played Halo 2 yet, but Halo one was crap poop. FPS games of that style were impressive when Goldeneye came out for the N64. Releasing the same crap with a different theme and shinier graphics isn't going to make it any fresher. The enhanced multiplayer of multiple X-Boxen adds a little bit to the experience, but most still do the four player split screen.

Games like Counter-Strike and Natural Selection DO exist. There's a reason that CS is still the #1 multiplayer fps, no matter what your stereotypes of the game may be it kicks the living snot out of every other multiplayer fps. Keep in mind I am judging the game on its own merits, and not taking into account the attitudes and mannerisms of its players, which may vary.

Oh, yeah, so Halo 1 couldn't hold a candle to CS or NS or even UT2k4 or Tribes 2. Based on that, I don't have high expecations of Halo 2, but I wont pass judgement until I play it. Maybe because my expecations are low, it will beat those expecations and make a good impression.

Oh, the reason people played Halo 1? My guess is they are mostly young kids who didn't already have the Goldeneye experience. Or they were people who didn't have fast Internet connections and didn't have the internet multiplayer fps experience to compare it to. So when a goldeneye with a new theme, better graphics and expanded multiplayer showed up they were wowed away because they had not yet experienced something which you and me have had for over 6 years.

Re:Again? (3, Interesting)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750230)

The original Halo would have been revolutionary, the graphics and gameplay would have been advanced well beyond what anyone else had, if it had been released back when it was supposed to. On the Macintosh. Way, way, WAY before Microsoft bought Bungie, came up with the X-box idea, made the X-box, and then forced Bungie to port Halo to the X-box. Microsoft merely saw something that would cause people to buy Macintoshes, and Mac OS, so it merely bought what might hurt it. It's not "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" it's "if you might have a tiny bit less of a monopoly because of 'em, absorb them."

Bungie has done it again alright (0, Redundant)

leperkuhn (634833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749970)

I'm disappointed and sick of it. Multiplayer got old real quick, and it didn't live up to it's expectations.

Ehh (2, Interesting)

realmolo (574068) | more than 9 years ago | (#10749978)

I have an Xbox, and Halo just isn't very great. It's well-done, but it has no personality, and very little new to add to the FPS genre.

That said, my Xbox-owning friends who had never(?!) played a multiplayer FPS game before think it's the greatest thing ever. And, if you've never played Unreal Tournament, I suppose it is. But for people who've been playing FPSs on the PC for years, Halo is only average. I imagine Halo 2 is more of the same, and the reviews seem reflect that.

What is all the fuss about (1)

LiquidHAL (801263) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750001)

I never played it on console, but when it was finally ported to PC, i played for a couple hours. Was that it? Maybe they took all the fun out of the PC version somehow, put in a boring mod. Uninstalled and went right back to UT2k4.

Re:What is all the fuss about (0, Troll)

isecore (132059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750242)

I played it for about 30 minutes. Then I got tired of the stupid FOV and the ugly textures and the framerate that insisted on dropping even though I kept dropping the graphics options. After awhile the game was jerking around like Kathryn Hepburn on bad acid.

So finally it looked like crap, played like crap and the only thing cool about it was the music in the menu (you know, the whole "ooohh aaaah" organ choir-thingy)

Re:What is all the fuss about (2, Insightful)

Col. Bloodnok (825749) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750335)

Same here. I played halo 2 on the PC and thought: this is a console game ported to the PC, and it feels like you're using an emulator - not just the speed, the controls too. Maybe it was my hardware (a lot better than an Xbox, thanks). I found that the framerate was crap (I didn't run it at 640x480 though, I ran it at my LCDs native resolution). The textures were, well Xboxy, the gameplay nothing special (I didn't think the vehicles were as much fun as everyone else seemed to). The controls were what did it for me, though. I've played a lot of FPS games on the PC (ever since wolf3d). I pretty much expect to able to configure my controls to suit my keyboard and habits. Halo seemed to basically provide the facility to remap Xbox controller buttons to keyboard keys and no more. I found that to be the real showstopper.

I've tried playing FPSs or games with FPS elements on various consoles before (Hitman, that old James Bond game, Metal Gear Solid), I can't get to grips with 'mouse look' using buttons or a thumb joystick. It's just not going to happen.

I had much the same reaction when I played GTA3 on the PC (without having played it on the PS2). I thought that the controls were too 'basic', but having played it on the PS2, it is a completely different game, and enormous fun. It's also great fun to watch someone else play - which is a first for me.

I think what it was... (4, Informative)

Phluxed (737458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750011)

was that it was something anyone could pick up and play, and culture whores needed something to grasp to. All my friends who arent really gamers, love Halo, but everyone who is a gamer, realizes how lifeless it is, and that holds true with the second.

Not as good as the oldies.... (4, Insightful)

darth_silliarse (681945) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750019)

Compared to the awesome Unreal Tournament and Quake 3's I think Halo and it's console-friendly ilk are average to say the least.... I remember when Alien Trilogy on the Sega Saturn was just as hyped and when you finally got round to playing it you just thought "Ho Hum better load up Doom 2 on my PC". Hype DOES NOT mean good.... I thought most gamers would have learnt that by now

Re:Not as good as the oldies.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750144)

Wow, if Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 are oldies, then I must be REALLY old.

Okay (1)

sammykrupa (828537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750029)

So this is why Microsoft is not getting anything ELSE done.

my short review. (4, Informative)

cipher uk (783998) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750030)

its more of the same. so .... 1) you liked halo: combat evolved and played it through to the end. you'll like halo 2. 2) you liked halo: combat evolved but got bored halfway through due to repitition. you may aswell just play halo: combat evolved to the end. 3) you didn't like halo: combat evoled. halo 2 will be the same. 4) you haven't played halo: combat evolved. buy halo: combat evolved first as you'll be able to get it in a bargin bin. (thats if your thinking of getting halo 2) there really isn't much new at all. can use both hands at once... a few more vehicules.... new storyline... a few new weapons. all in all what you'd expect in a sequel. still has the repitition to it. i found the first two levels stunning then it started to get boring again. AI is great again though :).

bungie? (-1, Troll)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750038)

Bungie has done it again!

Bungie is no more, Microsoft bought Bungie. If I liked the first game I would be slightly inclined to ignore that fact, but I didn't, so i'm not going to try again to like a Microsoft game.

Let the fanboys emerge.. (1)

The Foo (794948) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750050)

Can't wait for the:

"OMG Halu 2 iz s0 pwn u!!!!!lol!!!"

I'd really like to just wait for the PC version, but since that won't be for close to two years.....gonna have to get the Xbox.

Emphasis on AGAIN (5, Interesting)

fsterman (519061) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750061)

What most people don't understand is that Bungie has always been one of the most innovative game houses. Halo and Halo 2 have received quite a lot of attention since MS was able to do some real push with the game. But all of Bungies games are just as impressive, and more so when you realize what a variety of new thinking they put out.
Marathon, an FPS, to Myth, a team player RTS, to Oni a FPS/martial arts game, to Halo, possible the most creative FPS to date. If they had gotten with a big development team earlier I would love to see the games they would have produced!
So hats off to Bungie, I want to see the next non FPS!

Re:Emphasis on AGAIN (1)

Phluxed (737458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750097)

Just curious as to how you found halo creative and innovative?

Re:Emphasis on AGAIN (4, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750258)

halo1: uncreative and uninnovative.
and halo 2 is that - DONE AGAIN, but if possible, even shorter.

seriously: WHAT CREATIVE THERE WAS IN HALO 1?
weapons? no.
vehicles? seen before.
enemies? boring.
coop gameplay? hell, doom had that(but halo's pc port didn't).
graphics? just average.
outdoor sequences? non-revolutionary.
indoor sequences? flat walls reminding me of '97.

(oni was boring too after the start)

btw.. what of the old bungie is left besides the name? their next non-fps? dream on guy, like microsoft would have them do anything else than the big hit series.

or to put it on a different note.. have you played any games besides bungies games? because it doesn't really sound so.

Re:Emphasis on AGAIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750321)

You have to remember that Halo was first demoed at the 1867 MacWorld, back when some ideas (like vehicles or large multiplayer maps) weren't very common.

Of course, the idea that Halo (as demoed) would run on a 19th century steam-powered Macintosh computer was a joke in a half.

Re:Emphasis on AGAIN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750368)

Yes, Marathon, Myth and Oni where great, but Halo was a pile of shit. I remember posting on the Halo boards around 2000 when it was kinda new, it was a totally non-linear game with no 'levels', where you basically had the whole Halo to explore - that was innovative and impressive.

But then Bungie got bought by Microsoft, and alll the cool shit went out the window. It ended up as a completely soulless, repetitive, derivative horde of crap that used excessive GPU-destroying pixel/vertex shaders in place of clever programming. Most of Bungie have since left MS to start a new company that will hopefully have their original magic.

As for Halo 2, I really can't imagine its any beter than the first.

WTF? (4, Insightful)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750085)

Can someone PLEASE explain why all the comments pointing out that this game doesnt nessecarily deserve all the hype it got.. Even the ones that aren't flaiming it, just pointing this out are moderated to 0 or less? What, did the ilovebees.com virus erase your minds?

The most likely reason... (1)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750208)

...is that the vast amount of general opinion is vastly in disagreement - most people acknowledge that, while being fairly unoriginal, Halo is one of the best games of all time. High scores across the board, online and in magazines, from biased and relatively unbiased reviewers, sales figures in the zillions, etc. I know we're supposed to be fair when we moderate, but I suspect people who disagree with the disagreement about Halo's greatness are modding down.

Re:WTF? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750240)

This is Slashdot. Apparently, you're not allowed to like anything related to Microsoft. Or SCO. Or whatever the geek community has decided is evil...

sigh... - Really, how many of you guys have actually played it already?. Please proceed to try it before flaming it...

Re:WTF? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750261)

Waits for this to be modded down...

"permitted"? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750088)

Maybe I'm out of the loop here... why does anyone need "permission" to publish a review of something that has been publically released?

Release date isn't till Nov 9th (2, Informative)

JaseOne (579683) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750156)

That's why...

Re:Release date isn't till Nov 9th (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750223)

ah... now you see, I wasn't aware of this. I had been hearing so much hype about the game that I thought it was already out.

Not being personally interested in the game, I didn't know it was just upcoming release hype.

Re:"permitted"? (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750178)

NDA's. Besides, what would happen if somebody would diss the game, thre would be a lot of disheartened people who might cancel their pre-order. What better time to "allow" the reviews on the day it is released?

Bah, old news. (2)

Zangief (461457) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750091)

Amazon has had "reviews" for Halo 2 since February 2003.

Slashdot editors, bring some new stories please.
--
Wiki de Ciencia Ficcion y Fantasia [uchile.cl]

Re:Bah, old news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750128)

your a moron and a half aint you.

What do you guys think? (3, Interesting)

pmc255 (828453) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750106)

Do you think that people buy the Xbox just for Halo? Or do they buy Halo because it's on the Xbox? ;)

MS is killing (2, Insightful)

Canth7 (520476) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750112)

so many of the industry's best hopes. Halo was the most talked about game for a long time and then MS decided they HAD to have it for their console. I played it on the PC eventually and it was guilty of being so very average. I really doubt that it would have been so bland if Bungie had been left on their own. Another example: MS grabbed the Mechwarrior/Battletech license from FASA and now we have no more quality games coming the Battletech storyline. Look at MechAssault for the Xbox - it was just plain boring. I don't know if it's MS or the console itself that is the problem but these companies, FASA/Activision and Bungie, just made better products for the PC.

Friendly reminder (5, Funny)

Dan the Intern (649261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750115)

Remember to stress these points when making flamebait posts about Halo 2:

1. Same tired gameplay
2. Repetition
3. The console FPS ALWAYS sucks

Thank you.

sad but true (3, Insightful)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750239)

There is wisdom behind your provocative vision.

The fact is, HALO/HALO2 is great for people who are console-addicts but is just "another game" for us pc gamers. FPS games on consoles are behind their time compared to on the pc platform.

Imagine if BattleField 1942 came out first on the console with the same multiplayer experience, then Halo next to it would appear as "just another game". Currently, is there a game on xbox that is same genre as halo? Exactly, none.

On PC, you have BF1942, UT2004, MODS for UT2004, HL, MODS for hl, q3, MODS for q3... This is why halo sucks for us. We have so many choices of fps action because of modifications. They make the game last and give us a wide choice of different gameplays.

On Console, you got HALO, it remains HALO and always will be HALO. If on console you had Half Life (and think there is if not mistakeN0, it would remain Half Life, Not Day of Defeat.

excuse me... (3, Interesting)

sinner0423 (687266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750168)

Bungie has done it again!

Done what, exactly? Anybody who was reading the developer blog regarding the original Halo was completely disappointed by the time it hit the shelves. Bungie hyped it up to be something it wasn't, and by the time it got released, 95% of the "innovative, ground breaking" features were found in other pc/console games. The only thing that made it unique was that it was on the Xbox.

How long did we have to wait for a PC port for this one? 2 years?

I've played Halo 2, and controlling the game is like watching a monkey fuck a football. Sure, it's amusing, and interesting for the first minute, then it becomes frustrating and pointless. Although the graphics are awesome, and the gameplay is superb.

It's a good game, but really.. it should be on the PC where 99% of first person shooters belong. The controls really do detract from the experience. Bungie will get my money if I see a holiday release for a PC port.

Help me out here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750192)

Done what, exactly? Anybody who was reading the developer blog regarding the original Halo was completely disappointed by the time it hit the shelves. Bungie hyped it up to be something it wasn't, and by the time it got released, 95% of the "innovative, ground breaking" features were found in other pc/console games.
I'm confused. When did Bungie hire Peter Molyneux and when did he start making FPS games?

Re:Help me out here (1)

sinner0423 (687266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750243)

I'm confused. When did Bungie hire Peter Molyneux and when did he start making FPS games?

Haha.. great point. He's done the same shit bungie has, when they all talk about all the features. Advanced AI, Physics, Vehicles, etc.

It turns out, by the time it hit the PC (where, imo, you get these new innovative features that trickle down to the console) it was worthless!

Halo 2 = Dual wielding, New Textures, New maps. Nothing to see here folks.

Never having played either myself.... (4, Insightful)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750189)

My friends that have played it all share the same opinion pretty much. Halo 2 is a rehash of the first one with improvements in the multiplayer area. So if you want to have a party, bring halo and you'll have some fun. Unless your friends are addicted to the fast paced nature of FPS' like UT. Don't forget, Halo is locked at 30fps and plays rather sluggishly compared to PC FPS'.

Arrggghhh.... (1)

Psychotext (262644) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750310)

I just found out that I'm across the other side of the country on business the day I'm supposed to be getting my pre-order. :(
I'm tempted to buy a copy from a store and hook my xbox up to the hotel TV. Stupid, stupid job. Stupid clients too. Planned on taking a well earned couple of days off for this but no, customer just has to arrange a meeting for that date. * sigh *

I've been trying really, really hard to avoid the reviews (Don't want even slight spoilers) but they are everywhere I seem to look. I hope you all enjoy playing the game, but think of me stuck talking to a tractor company about their products database whilst you're having fun. :(

Over at GE we have... (4, Informative)

ProudClod (752352) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750311)

A more honest review, at least I think so. 9.8 is just bullshit - it's nowhere near as revolutionary as Halo 1.

As much as I hate to appear the karma whore, I think people need to see a more balanced review of the game. Remember, we're putting our bollocks on the line with Microsoft's PR by giving the game below 9/10 - we just felt we had to tell the truth.

See the review here. If you like it, pass it on [gamerseurope.com]

What's a "Halo?" (1)

spankey51 (804888) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750328)

Everyone keeps talking about this thing... Do you bring it to bed with your girlfriend or something? Someone told me that it's a mod for Half-Life 2, But the reviews are so good... Naw! Nothing could be better than Half Life 2! You guys are silly!

From what I can see... (1)

soulctcher (581951) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750376)

...popular opinion lies out like this:

Either you:
A) Loved the first and will love the second.
B) Hated the first and will hate the second.
or C) Didn't play the first and will probably not play the second.

But the bottom line is this: Halo is beautifully executed on the xbox, and is great fun for those who've not seen anything like it before. It's solid as a FPS because it gets all the fundamentals right. The problem is that once you've gotten that taste of what a FPS is when it's well done, you begin to look elsewhere for something more.

From all accounts so far, Halo 2 doesn't bring that "something more" to the table. This is why it fails in the eyes of those who have experienced both.

Is Gamespot Hosed In Firefox For You Too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10750378)

All of the review text appears way over to the right, off the green background. Is it looking okay for other Firefox users?

Sounds like a good game (1, Troll)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 9 years ago | (#10750393)

Too bad I won't buy it. Not really into giving any more money to Microsoft.
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