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Novell Linux Desktop Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the well-isn't-that-special dept.

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KingDaveRa writes "Novell have just released Novell Linux Desktop. Its based on SuSE Linux, but is cut down quite a bit to just include essential apps - perfect for a corporate environment. Novell claim to not be going directly after Windows, but rather pushing this as legacy Unix users. The Register has a take on this too."

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SuSE personal? (2, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753771)

I've got a system at home that I installed with the SuSE personal ISO image, and then upgraded by downloading SuSE professional RPMs to have all the useful stuff.

Is this going to be the same? Or have they stopped you from doing this?

Re:SuSE personal? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753826)

This Novell Linux Desktop is to Red Hat Enterprise WS as the Personal Edition of SuSE is to Fedora (or the old line of Red Hat linux releases).

They let you download a free trial for 30 days, after that software update support ends unless you buy a license.

Re:SuSE personal? (2, Insightful)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753879)

Figures. I knew they'd killed SuSE personal for a reason: they wanted to make money off it and knew they couldn't with the old model.

Re:SuSE personal? (1)

chetohevia (109956) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754519)

Novell is NOT, I repeat, NOT killing the end-user SUSE LINUX OS product, nor will it turn into a "Fedora-style" project. It is and will continue to be a complete product. Currently the Novell Linux OS product line looks like this:

For business servers: SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9

For business desktops: Novell Linux Desktop 9 (both have the same system core).

For hackers, community, enthusiasts, students, anybody who reads Slashdot: SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 SUSE LINUX Professional includes all the latest goodies, server & desktop, devel and user. It has a similar audience to Fedora, but it is not a "fedora-style distro" -- it's a full-on product, with a release schedule and so forth. The "Personal edition" which was like 1-2 CDs and didn't have a lot of goodies, is not currently being offered. "Professional," however, is aimed at the same market. Don't fear. Novell is not abandoning you.

Re:SuSE personal? (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754844)

Novell is NOT, I repeat, NOT killing the end-user SUSE LINUX OS product

No, I'm aware of this. Read my post again. They killed SuSE Personal, which was the single CD trimmed down distribution.

Re:SuSE personal? (2, Informative)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754527)

That's sad now that Novell just got a $536M infusion of cash from MS [google.com].

Re:SuSE personal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754764)

I'm not really seeing how the $536 million settlement to Novell (for issues related to WordPerfect, not the operating system) has anything to do with the topic, other than as potential flamebait/obligatory MS slam.

Re:SuSE personal? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753904)

So that explains why Red Hat libraries are old crap, and we can't compile anything unless we almost rebuild the entire OS from scratch. Cos they want to lock us in a pay-per-update license. Add to this the monitor configuration tool that only work in graphic mode, retards. Red Hat is becoming trash every day.

Re:SuSE personal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753921)

As stupid as it may sound, but one linuxconf got axed, I started to hate Red Hat more and more everyday.

Granted it was only because I was new to linux and it made my job at a small ISP really easy (and since I've learned a lot of command line stuff(double-pluss good)), but after 7.3 Red Hat never felt as pretty or as functional.

Re:SuSE personal? (5, Interesting)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754054)

So that explains why Red Hat libraries are old crap, and we can't compile anything unless we almost rebuild the entire OS from scratch. Cos they want to lock us in a pay-per-update license.

I like RHEL because I don't have to worry about upgrading every 12 months to remain current. It's a stable base for software vendors to aim for that will be good for years. Security patches are backported to prevent version conflicts. Red Hat finally started moving in the right direction with RHEL, although it still needs polishing (needs ReiserFS in the default kernels instead of just ext3 IMHO).

Personally I'll continue to just use Debian, but for enterprise servers, RHEL is a good compromise.

Re:SuSE personal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754581)

I don't mean to judge, as I can think of several places where you wouldn't want to purchase it... but IF you:
a) are a Linux user (you are, and I'm guessing anyone reading this is as well)
b) Like what Novell is doing with Linux (I'm guessing you do since you use their distro)
c) Find their work "useful"

Then why would you choose not to pay for it? Nothing says "I support what you're doing" to a large corporation more then "here's some money".

Hmm..Novell (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753792)

Looks just like Suse or any other distro, except with a big "N" everywhere. Way to revolutionize Linux there Novell, you always do so well in all your endeavors.

Re:Hmm..Novell (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753800)

They're all like moonies or something, aren't they?

Re:Hmm..Novell (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754399)

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Re:Hmm..Novell (2, Insightful)

brianlawson (675334) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753817)

I think this is a much bigger step than what it is being given credit for at first glance. It looks like the default desktop environment is Gnome instead of KDE. I, for one, am extremely happy to see that.

Re:Hmm..Novell (5, Interesting)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753818)

It may not be. One problem plaguing distro's is that they throw so much into the distro that QA is sacrificed. This is true for SuSE as well. I've been using SuSE for about a year now and see many of the same issue I saw with RHat. There are menuitems that don't work, configurations that won't take, and clutter. A slimmer desktop might be in order. I've said for years that a distro company would do well to have a group sit down and actually test each feature and app that they include on a distro but evidently few do. Maybe someone has with Novell Linux and this is the result. We can hope!

Re:Hmm..Novell (4, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753860)

The last version of SuSE had a "personal" edition, which was 1 CD including source. Very cut down. Had OO.org, Firefox + Thunderbird, KDE but no GNOME, very limited dev tools, but adequate for web browsing & basic office work, which is what I assume this is aimed at.

Re:Hmm..Novell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754184)

having OO.O in there is too much as well. 99.997 % of the time the distro's version is old compared to what is available online.

I prefer no office apps ONE browser or better yet wget links on the admin desktop to snag those apps for me as soon as I desire to.

Linux still is a PITA because of the filesystem fiasco. I just wish someone had the balls to force ALL linux distros to use one filesystem layout in order to call themselves linux. I do not car if config files are in /etc just as long as EVERY distro has them in the exact same location.

same for apps. one set of install locations, one set of lib applications.

and a simple wrapper to force a make/install to put the files in the right locations (cince developers are too damned lazy to do it correctly themselves.

Re:Hmm..Novell (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754405)

I would agree that this would be much more convenient. I think you have two camps on that subject: Those who think the flexibility is what makes Linux Linux and those who feel consistency would move the platform forward faster. SuSE was a learning curve for me, coming from RHat. They represent two totally different executions of the same basic thing. I think more consistency across distro's would definitely help Linux as an entity, but perhaps they feel it would negate many of the differences and render them unnecessary. Perhaps.

Interesting that you say that... (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754222)

I also recently got the downloadable personal ISO of SuSE just to see what a "polished" commercial distribution looked like. For the most part, I was very impressed. However, I have been seeing some of the issues you mention. The Kmenu editor wasn't quite working right, but downloading some fresh kde libraries seems to have fixed that. I also can't set passwordless login for my children (you know, the "no password required for" checkboxes under the convenience tab). As it stands right now, I've just deleted thier passwords in /etc/shadow - which is a real bad solution, but's the only thing I've gotten to work (my children are 2 1/2 and almost 4).

I'm tempted to get some old laptop and install Slackware just to tinker with it in the hopes that it will enhance my understanding of Linux in general.

Maybe, as you say, Novell is on the right track.

Novell Desktop Released (5, Interesting)

Silwenae (514138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753797)

Luis Villa's blog [tieguy.org] has some more interesting information and links as well. (He's a Novell, former Ximian guy).

You can download an "eval" copy [novell.com], after some registration, it's 3 ISO files, but is the full version according to Luis.

Novell has also released the source [novell.com].

Unfortunately, it's still Gnome 2.6 and some updated KDE stuff, but one of the most interesting things built in is Novell's new iFolder [novell.com], an interesting way to share folders remotely, including over different OS's.

It's based on Suse 9.1, but it will be interesting to see what changes the Ximian guys have added to it. The timing seems a bit weird though as Suse 9.2 just came out. Novell's strategy will be something to watch, to see how they position Suse Server, Suse 9.2 and Novell Linux between homes and offices.

Re:Novell Desktop Released (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753868)

Unfortunately this is iFolder 2.x, the same one that has been available for quite some time.

iFolder 3, the p2p one built on mono, the one that looks /really/ cool, is still a ways from being complete. :(

Re:Novell Desktop Released (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753873)

Actually it is based on SLES9.

Re:Novell Desktop Released (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754076)

Well, the KDE bashing from Ximian employees is pure FUD. Novell Linux = SuSe. SuSe will not ship SuSE personal anymore, this will be up to Novell.

Ximian does not define novell's enterprise strategy or what will get shipped, this is left to the consumers and SuSe has a lot of them.

Let the market decide...

ya, but do you have a Novell license? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753798)

To actualy see a benifit (if there is one), you would need a Novell network to run this on.

Wouldn't want to be comparing apples to oranges again, would you?

Re:ya, but do you have a Novell license? (2, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753819)

Why do you say that? I see nothing in Novell's documentation that suggests you need a "Novell network" (by which I presume you mean a NetWare server) to take advantage of this.

Re:ya, but do you have a Novell license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754158)

Actually, it looks like currently, there is little support for NetWare at all in it. No client for instance to connect natively to NetWare servers.

This is long awaited... (1)

Dri (16940) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753814)

I certaninly hope this exceeds my expectations! Is this "enterprise" ready? Does it have a consistent look & feel? .. or is it just crap-in-a-box? Let's all try the "eval".

Re:This is long awaited... (5, Funny)

julesh (229690) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753837)

Let's all try the "eval".

Yes, let's all reward Novell's efforts in releasing a new Linux distribution by simultaneously attempting to download 2 Gb of data.

Kinda shocking they didn't torrent it, ain't it? (1)

numbski (515011) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754587)

-nt-

Except that /. has this silly character limitation.

Cut down (2, Interesting)

Clappingman (829179) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753815)

There should be more versions of the kernels and so on, with almost no packages to download of all the *nixes, those large ISOs are a big turn off.

Re:Cut down (3, Informative)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753906)

I cant believe more distros dont do this. Ubuntu do it quite well. Its a one CD install which is the way it should be, not download 3 or 4 to get a piece here and a piece there. Ubuntu gives you a nicely polished install with enough to satisfy most people and almost everything works out of the box.

Word of warning though Ubuntu may not be the best option for dual boots on Dell Laptops (more correctly it seems to be the debian installer). It nuked my win2000 install on one and refuses to see any partitions on the other and will only accept the whole device.

Re:Cut down (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753975)

It nuked my win2000 install on one
Hey, it took them a long time to implement that feature, and now you talk about it like it's a bug.

Re:Cut down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753985)

"It nuked my win2000 install on one and refuses to see any partitions on the other and will only accept the whole device."

That is un-fucking-believably lame.

Re:Cut down (4, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753989)

Word of warning though Ubuntu may not be the best option for dual boots on Dell Laptops (more correctly it seems to be the debian installer). It nuked my win2000 install on one and refuses to see any partitions on the other and will only accept the whole device.

Hmm, what does Dell have to do with this? :-/

Just curious, since it sounds like a nice distro I'd be interested in. Also looking for 1 CD stuff; they certainly don't need to have many more apps included than Windows XP... I still have a choice if I want to use some less used tools, it's called Internet. :-P

I'd rather see coders spending time making extraordinary good and easy installers and uninstallers for said downloadable apps instead of looking how to include as much as possible on the CD. Isn't Internet pretty common by now, anyway? And no, Gentoo is probably not the distro for me since I'm not sure it's for amateurs. I'm not even looking for a processor-optimized distro, although it would be a nice bonus of course.

I never got the idea with mega-sized Linux distros. "Choice" doesn't necessarily have to mean "cram stuff into a lot of CD's to confuse a user". You have software choice even if you don't do this, right?

Re:Cut down (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754572)

While I risk being slapped around for a pro-Gentoo post, I will point out that I started out on Slackware 9.0 and after a year I decided to install Gentoo on a small PC at work. It took me a couple tries, but I finally had a working Gentoo installation.

Gentoo isn't extremely difficult to install, once you give it a few tries, as I said above. The documentation is extremely explicit when it comes to the installation. However, maintaining your system tends to be a bit more complicated. If you like to be bleeding edge, as I sometimes do, you will end up with at least one broken thing per update. That's when the expertise really needs to kick in. However, if you don't mind being a month or two behind the curve, then using Gentoo stable probably won't cause you too many headaches.

Whether this helped you or not to decide, I don't know. But I highly recommend taking a test PC lying around and using it before switching to another distribution of any kind. This way, you can screw it up as much as possible and it won't matter because you really won't use it that much anyways!

Re:Cut down (1)

tigerflag (648615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754627)

Simply Mepis might be what you're looking for: 1 CD, best of breed apps, simplest install of any Linux, designed for working out of the box.

Debian (1)

zonix (592337) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754767)

I cant believe more distros dont do this. Ubuntu do it quite well. Its a one CD install which is the way it should be, not download 3 or 4 to get a piece here and a piece there. Ubuntu gives you a nicely polished install with enough to satisfy most people and almost everything works out of the box.

As Ubuntu is Debian based, you can say the same for Debian. I always just download the netinstall ISO to do a base install, and fetch the rest of the stuff - I need - online via APT.

z

Re:Cut down (2, Insightful)

pooh666 (624584) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754188)

Why don't you just crawl back into your weenie box. Yeah, that is what my boss asks for consistently in a desktop OS, more Kernels!

Posting from... (5, Interesting)

Hanul (533254) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753823)

... freshly installed evaluation copy of Novell Linux Desktop 9. Well, nice startup screen, nice Ns everywhere.

Uhm, and Firefox came with Slashdot already bookmarked.

Re:Posting from... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753959)

Uhm, and Firefox came with Slashdot already bookmarked

So it is an unproductivity suite?
And they call it perfect for corporate environment?
I think thar Balmer was right about Linux TCO. We will stick with windows.

Re:Posting from... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754608)

SuSe 9.2 (Firefox) has come with slashdot bookmarked as well, I think it's more of a Firefox thing than anything.

Re:Posting from... (5, Funny)

Koyaanisqatsi (581196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753969)

1: perfect for a corporate environment

2: and Firefox came with Slashdot already bookmarked.

Anyone else see the irony here? :-))

Re:Posting from... (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754403)

While hoards of Slashdotties are slashdotting Novell to get the Eval Version, Masses of Novellites are Novelling slashdot trying to get their new OS on the front page.....

For those of you who are too lazy to RTFA (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753835)

Yes, it costs money. $59 USD. There IS an evaluation version available for free. From their site:

NOTE: The only limitation of this evaluation software is the duration you will have free access update.novell.com. Should you choose to license Novell Linux Desktop, you will be provided with a new registration code, which you can easily update in your desktop in order to re-enable access to update.novell.com for product patches and updates.

Re:For those of you who are too lazy to RTFA (1)

killeena (794394) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754299)

So, does this use the same access as SuSE Enterprise Server, and if so, can I use the same username for the two?

Re:For those of you who are too lazy to RTFA (1)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754351)

Uh, they are different products. SLES is licensed per server, so I seriously doubt it.

Re:For those of you who are too lazy to RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754477)

As an update to my earlier post:

In order to download the eval, you must be a member of the Novell site (free reg and email reply required).

Once you are a member, you have to respond to a little questionnaire and accept their click-through.

After you've jumped through their hoops you should be directed to a page that will allow you to begin downloading the 3 iso's. But don't do it, because it looks like it's already slow enough without you people leeching too! ;)

Re:For those of you who are too lazy to RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754528)

so to answer your question, yes, you should be able to use the same login to access any free downloads their site offers.

firefox + google (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753846)

click on the firefox section of the features. what do you see? Main sponsors:

GOOGLE..

Yeah, they're not going after Windows *directly* (2, Interesting)

Laebshade (643478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753854)

Novell claim to not be going directly after Windows

Yeah, from the screenshots, it looks an awfully lot like a hybrid between Windows, MacOS, and MacOSX.

Re:Yeah, they're not going after Windows *directly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753988)

Sorry, I'm kinda lame, I couldn't find the screenshots on the linked Novell site. Where are they?

So, it has KDE? (4, Interesting)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753855)

I wonder what that means to those folks who claimed that "Novell is placing their bets on Gnome! KDE is going down!". Open mouth, insert foot, eh?

Well, the people who made those claims seemed quite often to be connected to Ximian... Either they were astroturfing/spreading FUD, or they didn't know what their company was doing.

Re:So, it has KDE? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754070)

Well, I cannot speak for all these people but supporting both desktops is going to be a waste of resources in the long run. The current version of Novell Linux Desktop is based on the old SuSE 9.1 and everybody knows that SuSE is heavily biased towards KDE. Let's hope that Novell will gradually phase out KDE and move towards GNOME as the main desktop, since GNOME is more business-friendly.

Re:So, it has KDE? (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754120)

I fail to see how Gnome is more "business-friendly" than KDE is. I really do.

Re:So, it has KDE? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754276)

I fail to see how Gnome is more "business-friendly" than KDE is.

If you ever have to support a group of more than 50 users in a corporate environemnt, then you should be able to see how GNOME is more business-friendly than KDE. It is easier to set global policies in GNOME than in KDE, for example. Also, the fact that only the basic configuration options are available by default (the other ones requiring some knowledge of the configuration editor) means that most users stick to the basic options instead of changing many settings that quickly become a nightmare for the support guys.

Both KDE and GNOME are highly configurable. But the fact that GNOME makes it easy to change some common settings but makes it a bit more difficult to change more exotic stuff is a valuable feature for business users (even if some power users tend to be a bit frustrated by that).

I don't know if you ever had to support a large group of users and do that under strict constraints (time and budget) but from that point of view I think that GNOME is more business-friendly than KDE.

Re:So, it has KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754462)

> It is easier to set global policies in GNOME than in KDE

How so? I don't find Kiosk difficult.

Re:So, it has KDE? (0, Troll)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754088)

Check out the screenshots, it looks like this has KDE in the same way Redhat does, and Mandrake has Gnome.

It doesn't matter anyway, KDE isn't going to die any time soon if novell has it or not.

Important to have both! (2, Interesting)

julie-h (530222) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754271)

I am a true Gnome lover, and of course hope that Novell will go for Gnome in the long run.

BUT, Gnome and KDE need each other in order to improve, just like Linux need MacOSX and Windows.

Gnome and KDE steal idea from each other, and often improve them in someway.

Think if we only had Mozilla and IE. Oprea invented tabbed browsing, and the idea to have search bar in the toolbar among MANY other neat features, that FireFox now have.

Re:So, it has KDE? (2, Informative)

GauteL (29207) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754583)

Ximian people have never claimed that KDE was going away. That was the conclusion of others (less well informed).

This offering from Novell however seems to default to GNOME but includes KDE, unlike SuSE which defaults to KDE.

The flash animation shows off GNOME, and their OpenOffice.org-version is GNOMEified, with GNOME-icons and the new GNOME file-selector.

Their main applications are a gnomified OpenOffice.org, Evolution (gnome), and Mozilla Firefox (uses gtk widgets), GAIM (gtk/gnome), Red Carpet and Yast. Yast is the only Qt application given any advertisement. All the rest is GTK+/GNOME or made to look like it is.

It's the Enterprise version (5, Interesting)

MrCranky (187240) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753859)

not the consumer version. This version is for use in big business by general knowledge workers. It's features are maintainability and stability of pachages, not end-user featuritis. In other words, it's for corporate desktop drones. It's designed to work best in a corporate environment, of course complementing Novell's upcoming Open Enterprise Server. It's timed to match the upcoming release of that product.

SUSE Linux 9.2 Pro is the geek version, for home and mobile users mostly.

Trim corporate drone desktop (2, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754061)

A trim desktop for the corporate drone is exactly what the market needs. Sun is sort of trying to do it with JDS, but they're selling it as one desktop for every kind of corporate user. The lean desktop with only necessary packages that's easily maintainable is what a lot of companies need if they're going to slowly switch away from Microsoft. It eases headaches and drastically cuts administrative costs. I hope Novell is very smart in the way they market it.

Re:It's the Enterprise version (1)

pherris (314792) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754426)

Excellent explaination and right on the money. In that same vein there's also real support (something Novell does quite well). If you're running Netware, got a CNE or two this distro was built for you. IMO it's there to help people running Netware move their desktops away from MS Windows. Something I whole heartedly support. =)

There are other (better IMO) distros for home, small office, etc. users like Ubuntu (Ubuntu is so sweet) or for hard core tweakers Gentoo (also a fantastic distro). Many distros offer choice and choice is a good thing. They're filling a niche, not trying to take over the GNU/Linux world.

Novell's a good company with good products. I hope ND takes off and wish them the best of luck.

novell vs mandrake? any reason to swtich? (0)

deviantonline (542095) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753874)

so novell is a pretty big name to have teamed up with suse, and already very reputible distro. id like to know, what about this distro makes it any different from the rest, and if so, why should i swtich from mandrake?

don't bother (3, Insightful)

ylikone (589264) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753894)

If Mandrake is working for you, why switch?

don't bother-Windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754239)

"If [Windows] is working for you, why switch?"

Why indeed?

Re:novell vs mandrake? any reason to swtich? (1)

mrmagos (783752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754020)

From my own personal experience, I have had stability issues with previous versions of Mandrake. YMMV. My boss is the only one I know who is running SUSE, and she really likes it. By the time I heard all the great things that is SUSE, I had graduated to Slackware, and now Gentoo. If you're not having any problems, there is no reason to change, unless you want to try new things....

Re:novell vs mandrake? any reason to swtich? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754539)

How dare novell try and charge me for linux, it should be totally free, easy to use, updated all the time, isv and hardware support, all for free. How dare they! NovellSoft!!!

They should provide a free, tested, updated distro for at least 5 years. I am going to switch to gentoo, it is a enterprise distro for free, I have a enterprise, my 386 is a firewall so I know what I am talking about. Or if your uncool and actually have to document stuff or plan for knowledge transfer then go with debian, it is totally free! Except it has stuff like mp3, et all so i guess it is not that free..
But it is stable, way more stable than stuff like rhel or suse enterprise. I wouldnt know because I have never tried them on my i386 enterprise firewall, but i heard from some guy who was told by some guy that they are unstable. They must be the packages actually get updated.

Re:novell vs mandrake? any reason to swtich? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754786)

d: why should i swtich from mandrake?

'Cause it comes with a spell checked :-)

Age Old (4, Insightful)

z0ink (572154) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753876)

Perhaps Novell can help in providing more legitimacy toward linux desktops to the Corporate World. It's not that linux desktops geared toward corporations haven't been around, but more the lack of a Name Brand company to trust purchasing it from. I'm being hopeful, but any amount this release can cut into Microsoft's market share is good for us all.

Re:Age Old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754858)

This is so funny. I've read so many posts and articles describing total cost of ownership for MS vs Linux. Now we have yet another company charging for OSS and "charging" for the product or "services". How long do you really think it will be before the TCO for MS and Linux become roughly the same? You /. 'ers just don't see the irony. The very thing you blast MS about is happening right before your eyes in the *nix world and you're happy about it (presumably because it's spreading the word about the ONLY OS you know).

Didn't see the price on the Novell site (5, Interesting)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753883)

The Register said it would retail for $50.00. That's a good entry price point, very competitive. Especially considering it comes bundled with OpenOffice and Evolution with the Exchange connector.

Unless I'm overlooking something that's a very attractive package. Anxious to see how it sells. If this takes off it's going to hit MSFT's pricing model fairly hard.

Can I ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753888)

does novell linux have YaST and if so can I install packages from SuSE ftp sites?

KDE or Gnome? (2, Interesting)

datadriven (699893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753918)

I thought Suse was supposed to be a KDE distro. The swf animations shows a Gnome desktop.

Mirror? (3, Insightful)

Snuden (252397) | more than 9 years ago | (#10753934)

Does anyone have a mirror or a bittorrent tracker? The site was sort of okay before 12:00 GMT+1 but now it's rather dead...

Gnome (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10753946)

And it looks like Novell had to choose Gnome. When will people realize how dialog boxes are supposed to look?

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Re:Gnome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754212)

Overview of Changes from GTK+ 2.5.3 to GTK+ 2.5.4

* Add a public setting for button ordering [Owen Taylor, Matthias]

GAIM Supported? (1)

WareW01f (18905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754034)

Looks like they're going to support GAIM. With the 'Corporate' backing of the project is it likely that the vendors (AIM, YAHOO, etc) will work with Novell/GAIM on modules? I see this becomming another X type setup where the modules are closed source but the client open. Mixed feelings on that one. On the one hand there's the "Everything Needs To Be Open" camp, but to some extent a little give in some areas can help drive adoption (i.e. a closed Linux solution is better than no Linux solution) in some areas.

I guess I'm all for it. I've used GAIM in Windows at work, where for a while having a Yahoo account was a business need. (Soon replaced by a closed system by everyones favorite 'inovator') The biggest issue I had in pushing the solution was the fact that the protocol kept 'breaking' (which is not a big selling point) I put up with it, switching back to the ad-ridden version for the times GAIM was out, but something as simple as a closed source driver and I could have sold the solution (pushing the non-adware/privacy aspect) When we got the order from on high to switch to an internal solution, if everyone was already sold on GAIM as a client, moving something like an internal Jabber server would have been an easy sell. (No need to retrain users).

I guess it's kind of the Zen approch to Open Source adoption. Sometimes you need to give up some control to later gain it.

Novell needs this, and it could really fly. (1, Interesting)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754071)

Anyone who has used Novell much has noticed how Novell has had to remake every Windows version to even work as a network enabled desktop should. Because Windows is so not network enabled it isnt well suited to be in a network period. The amount of work they have had to put into Windows just to get it to log into a Novell server is staggering for anyone who has used pam_auth_ncpfs on linux. A linux desktop is ready today for Novell, all its lacking is zenworks like features with centrally managed menus and common login scripts. The profiles bit is really easy on linux and just needs some simple glue to work seamless.

Linux gives Novell what it wanted back in 95 when it instead got the steaming pile of sh*t called Windows 95. I really hope they get it toghether and working perfectly real soon because of the breathing room given by MS eternal vapourware called Longhorn.

I run all my linux servers against Novell for user managment and it works perfect today, this gives the same advantage to the non techies.

Re:Novell needs this, and it could really fly. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754446)

uhhh

wtf makes this FUD post anything more then a troll attempt to bash MS??

"Novell has had to remake every Windows version "

since when did Novell make Windows at all??

"Windows is so not network enabled it isnt well suited to be in a network period"

guess you never RTFM...it is very network enabled...

lets see, Linux is ready... "its lacking is zenworks like features with centrally managed menus and common login scripts" Zen has been linux for some time now, but it is a sepperate tool. "The profiles bit is really easy on linux and just needs some simple glue to work seamless" ya, profiles in Novell and Windows are sooooooo hard to do, but Linux is ready as soon as they fix it...

Windows has these abilities, has had them for some time (linux has them too, but some zealots are not as knowledgable as they think)

Stop the bashing, try being constructive.

Stop spouting FUD, try the truth or be silent.

Stop jumping on a hate-wagon, since you have no clue why you are on it other then to "belong" to something (like the majority of hate groups, KKK, White Supremist, etc, etc...).

Slashdot mods and editors should strive to discourge this behaviour, instead of encouraging it. It can only serve to alienate others, and discredit the site as "extremely biased".

Re:Novell needs this, and it could really fly. (4, Insightful)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754487)

Yep, using pam_auth_ncpfs to get a Windows desktop to login to a Novell server would be crazy amounts of work. Fortunatly, they have this thing called the "Novell Client" which is for windows. It takes all of about 5 minutes to install. Windows 3.11, Windows 95, and all later versions, are specificlly built to accept network client drivers, like say, those from Novell.

Or do you mean it is crazy amounts of work for Novell to write a widows client? I doubt it. For Windows, Novell currently has two clients, one for 95/98 and one for NT/2000/XP. The "log into the server" part is a minor component, trivial in comparision to every thing else it does, ZENWorks integration for one.

And this is not Windows NT or Netware 3.12 days. You login to the network not into a server.

Re:Novell needs this, and it could really fly. (3, Insightful)

idesofmarch (730937) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754507)

Windows is so not network enabled it isn't well suited to be in a network? Are you stark raving looney? While you may have many legitimate criticisms of Windows, this surely is not one of them.

While not preinstalled, Windows has come with a Client for Netware Networks for as long as I can remember. I know that Novell recommends its client, but I have not had any issues with the MS client whenever I have used it.

Anyway, Novell was king of the network hill for a good while. It should have leveraged this position while it had it to put out its own desktop back then. It will be an uphill battle now.

Not Going after MS Windows? Yeah, right.... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754112)

The corporate world started way back when with Windows PCs and Microsoft Office. Any Unix desktops are specialized applications, such as Graphics Design and Virtual Simulations (Unigraphics, HP-UX, SGI, IBM AIX.) They pay for these systems (in the 10 thousands each) because they are good at what they do and there is a company that stands behind them. If it weren't for these systems, everything would be running MS Windows. And it would be safe to say, any company running Macs will not migrate to Linux, because Macs are now more affordable (as compared to their Unix counterparts,) Unix based, and are already in niche markets.

So I would say, if they are going after corporate desktops, they are going after MS Windows, because this is where the PC is. Linux will also allow better integration with existing and vested Unix and Mac systems.

No, they are going after MS Windows. Their "not-going-after-Windows" statement is for investors and people who manage tech, but not into tech and understanding tech from the ground level, so as not to still certains waters that Microsoft is monitoring.

Proofread after submit button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754131)

Yeah, it is Monday.

I meant to say "stir certain waters"

MS is the computer. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754340)

" The corporate world started way back when with Windows PCs and Microsoft Office. "

Only for those new to history.

Try remembering Visicalc...on the Apple.

And that's just for the Personal Computing market.

For mainframes there was VMS (predating Unix).

And last Unix desktops (running CDE) did have productivity apps (they just weren't Microsoft).

Ximian Desktop (1)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754138)

So, will there be an upgrade for those of us using Ximian Desktop 2? Not sure if I want to install yet another distro.

Re:Ximian Desktop (1)

tirk (655692) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754730)

I think Novell Desktop replaces Ximian Desktop 2, as all links to Ximian go to Novel Desktop now.

What the world needs... (1)

piett134 (713199) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754293)

Somehow I just don't think the world needs another Linux distro...
Maybe when we can get 1 that works good, and becomes a standard then we'll see desktop linux take off.

Do you opine?

http://www.opine-it.com [opine-it.com]

Yea, Novell's your friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754319)

They just got $530+ million from Microsoft.

Re:Yea, Novell's your friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754723)

Makes you wonder about all these companies that the OSS community loves. They are all funded by lawsuits against MS. I guess if you say something long enough you will start to believe it.

Screenshots Please! (1)

Jimmy The Tulip (770323) | more than 9 years ago | (#10754344)

I am just curious...Can anybody post the link of the screen shots? and shots of the boot screen? The above posted link to blogs doesnt have screenshots.
thanks,

Re:Screenshots Please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10754414)

I bet that osdir.com will do there usual screenshot parade of new releases very soon.
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