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Microsoft To Launch Homegrown Search Engine

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the humboldt-county dept.

Microsoft 300

Mr. Christmas Lights writes "While Google is currently the king-of-the-hill in search engines, Microsoft continues to lag in market share and uses Yahoo's technology/results. But Cnet reports that they'll launch on Thursday their own homegrown search engine , although it appears this is mostly a face-lift (despite a year of development and $100 million investment). According to Bill Gates, they 'will introduce a homegrown web crawler and algorithmic search engine ... later this year,' which is almost certainly their tech preview (you can look at this now) -- but will that be ready for prime-time in less than two months?"

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About time (4, Funny)

lightdarkness (791960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775167)

I've seen their cralwer (their new one I presume) around for at least a month, without any indication on where the results were being shown. At least I have another spider to add to my list of robots that steal my bandwidth.

Re:About time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775204)

Most people want the web crawlers from the search engines visiting their web site. It's how their web sites get indexed and listed. If you want to talk about something that sucks bandwidth, get listed on slashdot. No web crawlers needed there.

Re:About time (3, Funny)

b374 (799492) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775265)

Is this [slashdot.org] their crawler?

Re:About time (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775330)

Are you sure that it's not their security department? How else would they know that I need all those security updates that they keep sending me?

Re:About time (5, Interesting)

FireFury03 (653718) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775341)

The msnbot has been around for many months. I have seen many complaints about the amount of bandwidth it uses and I know many web masters (me included) have blocked it's access because of this so I dunno how useful the search results will be. I've seen reports of it sucking gigabytes off a site in a day, and then doing exactly the same again the next day, which is really quite serious for those people who have a reasonably small bandwidth limit on their web space.

For me it was sucking several gig a month off my site, and was obviously very badly coded since it was refetching the same pages over and over (cachable pages, non-cachable pages and 404's). So in the end I gave up and outright blocked the damned thing - yet another bit of shoddy MS code out to break the internet.. :(

Re:About time (0)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775373)

How did you explicitly do that? Block at firewall level?

So (4, Funny)

jbartone (612450) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775168)

Who's actually going to use this instead of Google?

Re:So (4, Insightful)

MoonFog (586818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775173)

Since it'll probably end up being default start-up page in IE, lots.

Re:So (5, Funny)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775206)

Since it'll probably end up being default start-up page in IE, lots.

Fortunately IE has enough in the way of exploits so the default start-up page gets hijacked often enough.

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775209)

... and everytime there's a messenger update, the "would you like to set your homepage" with the yes option ticked.

Re:So (4, Interesting)

Technician (215283) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775234)

Since it'll probably end up being default start-up page in IE, lots.

You mean the same people who use the default favorites? I looked at the default list once, then deleted it. It looked like a paid list from the yellow pages of the travel and media sections in the phone book.

Re:So (1)

zeptic (323902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775309)

That's probably why Google has aggreed to making Firefox' startpage defaults to google.com [google.dk] .

Monopoly abuse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775325)

Since it'll probably end up being default start-up page in IE, lots.

2 words: Monopoly abuse

Re:So (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775368)

Well if everyone uses Firefox then they will default to google.

Re:So (5, Interesting)

Draveed (664730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775192)

You would be amazed. This week I discovered someone in my office who knew nothing about google.

Re:So (5, Funny)

Titusdot Groan (468949) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775323)

Did your company fire them?

I've got a running gag with my team that if I can find the answer to their problem in 3 google searches I get their pay for that week. The number of dumb question I get is WAY down.

Re:So (1)

iezhy (623955) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775200)

somebody will, i guess

anyway, Google and this new MSN search give quite different set of results (at least in first page) for my favorite keyword "boo".

and i wonder why is ti using the same color scheme as Google does? :-)

Re:So (1)

Eriky (724600) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775352)

As far as I can see, the search engine works very well. But it doesn't have any added value at this moment (compared to google). At least Yahoo has some extra's like personal search, but those are minor features which are not enough to make google users switch. The strenght of Microsoft is it dominition on the desktop. If they want to integrate their searchengine into windows, many people will use it.

Re:So (0, Troll)

Humpinate (576482) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775379)

Well.... The real question isn't who will use it, but who will use it WITHOUT ACTUALLY LOADING IT.......Let's see, a "browser" that connects for you, filters your input and "protects" you by censoring and "digitally checking" your music and images for copyright infringement. Then to be "safe" prevents you from "searching" for those nasty warez sites, and MP3 sites and cracker/hacker
sites.......The list goes on. Big Brother needs to STAY THE FUCK OUT OF MY BOXEN !!!!!

Last Post... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775171)

... for Google?

Re:Last Post... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775336)

Nah, I searched for a statement by Netcraft, but Google didn't find anything.

Search for Windows..... (5, Funny)

alistair (31390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775172)

No Results Found

Needs some fine tuning before it's ready for the prime time, me thinks.

Re:Search for Windows..... (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775232)

Mod this funny, mod this flame-bait, mod this troll. But don't mod this Interesting. It's completely false.

I stand corrected (1)

alistair (31390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775248)

5 minutes ago that was exactly the result, now it returns around 1,500,000 results and is looking faitly accurate. Maybe they noticed people were visiting the preview site and decided to turn the back end back on.

Microsoft's problem (4, Insightful)

ArbiterOne (715233) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775174)

Microsoft is branching out too much. Without ripping off Google, I don't really see how they can pull this off. In order to reverse the current trend in market share, they'd have to have a better algorithm than Google, a massive ad campaign, and the popular opinion on their side. Oh, and start giving things away for free (Google: Blogger, Picasa, etc.)

Re:Microsoft's problem (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775220)

Shhhh. Microsoft blowing 100s of millions of dollars that will gain them nothing is exactly what is required.

The more targets they have to aim at, the more it will drain them.

Re:Microsoft's problem (2, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775257)

... or ignore quality and just put it as the default (and only) search engine for a certain well-known OS...

Re:Microsoft's problem (2, Insightful)

geg81 (816215) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775301)

It's not a "rip off" when multiple companies offer similar products, it is competition. Competition is a good thing: it lowers prices and improves products. And while Google has some good technology, they company didn't come into being in a vacuum and they don't own the idea of citation and reference analysis, either legally or scientifically.

"Lower what prices?" you might ask. Well, Google isn't a charity. I expect Microsoft will compete with them on advertising rates and whereever else Google makes money.

The only thing that may be considered unfair about that is that Microsoft can afford to make losses for many years on this before driving Google out of business. But that's a problem everybody faces when Microsoft enters a new market.

Re:Microsoft's problem (1)

Evil Pete (73279) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775307)

What's more, with previous forays into new fields MS had the advantage that the user didn't have to download or buy/install a large application etc. But google can just be your homepage ... where is MS' advantage ?

I'd be surprised if it is a success simply because MS cannot deliver a clear reason to the user to use it.

This isn't insightful (3, Insightful)

SimianOverlord (727643) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775313)

Google have built up a market by offering ad views alongside their search engine, thus making money. It isn't about the search, it's about that market, and Microsoft moving into new markets is what it is all about.

They do not need a better algorithm than Google (which is becoming increasingly gamed by shady companies and not as good as it was anyway), they just need something "good enough", like their OS is "good enough".

As for reversing the trend, Microsoft have 1) leverage in the form of their existing OS userbase (as others have mentioned, using MS search as default), 2) Massive cash surplus 3)Brand recognition. They do not have to give things away for free. They have to fight against a competitor with a larger market share, something they have done in the past quite successfully. Do not confuse the Slashdot echochamber with objective reality.

Re:Microsoft's problem (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775320)

The answer to the question "how does Microsoft intend to destroy Goggle" has been well known for a while. They will use the same old anti competitive tactic they used for Netscape and imbed the search capability direct into Windows probably via Windows Explorer. By upping the convenience, they think, the fact that the search is inferior probably doesn't matter much. It worked very well for IE, Office and the Windows platform itself. It hasn't worked so well for them recently with neither the Xbox or .NET or whatever their iPod killer is called all looking rather lame. I don't think it will work here eihter. After all you already can search MSN from Windows Explorer and nobody bothers on account of the fact that the search results are so useless.

The weird thing about all of this, at least to me, is that MS had a really good opportunity to get Windows into the data centre between about 1999-2002 when Linux wasn't quite there and customers were looking for a cheaper alternative than Solaris/AIX etc. They missed it because they were so busy trying to be Sony and Sun and are now compounding the problem trying to be Google. In the mean time Linux has plugged the hole and is firmly established as the low cost data centre OS of choice.

The browser war was won when Microsoft removed any value from PC based browsers (you couldn't sell them anymore since MS gave their one away for free) - but that means that you end up with something that costs you money to maintain and support for no good reason, so you don't bother, and end up with something that looks as tiered as Internet Explorer (or a very tired thing, make up your own simile). Whilst I'm sure they could make a lot of money selling advertising space on Windows (the base Goggle profit stream) I can't help feeling that customers might not like it very much. And, of course, you don't need an expensive search engine R&D project to do this, you could just say randomly change everybody's wallpaper to an advert every 5 minutes or something.

Re:Microsoft's problem (2, Insightful)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775374)

Let us not forget that Google is foraying into Microsoft's domain.

Gmail and Google Desktop Search are not accidents. Hotmail is extremely popular, and with Google Desktop Search, Google has learned that people will install replacements to Microsoft's own built-in services if they are better, and if they are branded.

And the browser war was never won. That was just the browser battle. By removing value from browsers, all Microsoft did was reduce the incentive for it to update its own browser after it gained near-ubiquity. Open-source has no problem with zero value, and this is why Mozilla has no problems working tirelessly on Firefox and Seamonkey. The browser war has just begun. [slashdot.org]

Re:Microsoft's problem (1)

piovere (658735) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775342)

Without ripping off Google

why would microsoft stop ripping off companies now?

the word preview... (2, Funny)

Jimmy The Tulip (770323) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775176)

Instead of using words like "alpha" or "beta" they are using a word "preview". i dont know what that means ?
btw, the font in which "search tech preview" is written and the color and the shadow..sucks!

Prediction for most popular queries on day 1... (4, Funny)

seanellis (302682) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775177)

"mozilla firefox" download
google

Algorithmic search engine? WTF? (5, Funny)

jagripino (314506) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775179)

Don't *all* search engines have to have, hmm, some kind of algorithm in them?

Marketing speak confuses me! Please stop!

Re:Algorithmic search engine? WTF? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775259)

Not the new Brute Force Search Engine (TM) I'm working on.

Re:Algorithmic search engine? WTF? (1)

tgv (254536) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775382)

Is this the one where you simply present all pages you've ever encountered in one huge list?

You'd better not, since that has been patented by the British Museum!

this article is oooooold (4, Informative)

evil_one666 (664331) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775181)

This article is from june 30th

Re:this article is oooooold (1)

OwlWhacker (758974) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775230)

And it's silly:

Even though Microsoft is coming from behind, the company can't be counted out.

No kiddin'.

Microsoft doesn't just get a finger in the pie by leveraging it's anti-competitive and illegal monopoly, it licks up most of the pie with its gargantuan tongue of bundling and integration.

You shall use Microsoft solutions, even if they are inferior and present a security hazard. Microsoft has more than just a chance in anything it does.

Re:this article is oooooold (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775284)

Obviously some Windows trolls were feeling upset over the Firefox hype.

Slow (1)

benjiboo (640195) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775183)

Seems a little bit slow to me. Maybe due to being ./ed....

Competition is good.... I think (3, Insightful)

cloudkj (685320) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775186)

What with all the different search engines out there trying to compete with Google, more companies like Microsoft and Amazon (a9.com) are coming out with their own "innovative" search engines. Seems like they all just want to take a tiny bite out of Google's big pie... I do have to admit a9.com looks pretty cool :)

Doubtful this will take any ground. (3, Informative)

Ambient_Developer (825456) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775187)

I say it time and time again.. Microsoft is not a company of innovation (besides user interfaces), they are a company that aquires other companies. It is doubtful that a home-grown engine will beat the likes of google.. Especially being so late in the game, not only that what good will a face lift do? Google is already one of the easiest things out there, how can Microsoft make search even easier? THAT is the 100 million dollar question!

Re:Doubtful this will take any ground. (1)

blowdart (31458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775247)

Well I did try it. Despite searching for a phrase I use as the title of one of my pages the first hit was for another page on my site. Some work needed there.

BUT ... site previews [msn.com] are useful. Why? Because you can instantly make a guesstimate if it's the right type of site, or just a link/keyword whoring site for google ads and sponsored links. I've only seen site thumbnails on alexa before, actual page thumbnails are new to me. I'm willing to be proved wrong though :)

Re:Doubtful this will take any ground. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775303)

I say it time and time again.. Microsoft is not a company of innovation
For the love of Pete, have you forgotten about Clippy? I mean before Clippy, how many bug-eyed talking paper clips did you know?

Re:Doubtful this will take any ground. (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775344)

But it will - because it will be the default search in the default web browser of the default desktop OS on over 90% of the world's personal computers.

Unless Google can do something really special (which it looks like they are trying to do - they can see the handwriting on the wall after seeing what Microsoft did to Netscape, Real et al. when they bundled their browser/media player as an inseparable piece of the OS) Google will fall just like Netscape and just like Real.

Microsoft don't innovate in user interfaces, either. The first usable version of Windows lagged the Macintosh by 6 years. "Innovative" features that will come in Longhorn are things that OS X will have already had for years. I'm not sure what Microsoft's malaise is in not making any real innovation (instead, buying or copying innovative ideas from others) - MS have a huge R&D budget, but nothing ever seems to come out of the truly innovative stuff their R&D department thinks up.

Re:Doubtful this will take any ground. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775357)

Here's what we do...

You go to sort out someone's PC? If they've got MSN as the start page, switch it. If you write some shareware, how about checking for MSN as the start page with a "switch to google" option in there.

Tech Preview? (3, Funny)

beders (245558) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775188)

No results for my name or a random word. More worryingly no result for "porn". Got a long way to go chaps, $100 million seems a little steep for a input box linked to an error page...

Search engine wars (2, Interesting)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775189)

It seems that Microsoft might just be trying to cut in on the business that Google, Yahoo, AskJeeves and all those other engines are making. I don't know what kind of a fool would use a Microsoft search engine anyways, the index would have to be built from scratch, instead of the years of data that Google and Yahoo have accrued.

Re:Search engine wars (2, Funny)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775268)

It seems that Microsoft might just be trying to cut in on the business that Google, Yahoo, AskJeeves and all those other engines are making.

No, Bill Gates is just trying to impress his wife. "Look at my search engine honey, search for 'bill gates nude'. I bet you have never seen THAT before!"

Re:Search engine wars (1)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775296)

Harharhar... I wouldn't be the least bit surprized if they figured some way to associate the 3 phrases "barber", "bill gates" and "del *.*", so that when people look up his barber, BSOD paradise.

Do they have to ? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775190)

Do they have to try and push themselves on to every possible market available, why not jsut stick to doing what they already do and trying to make that work correctly before continuing to try and monopolise every avenue of computing that they can think of?

Re:Do they have to ? (2, Interesting)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775273)

Yes, this is fully in accordance with Microsoft's mindset - whenever a new pie appears in the horizon (a floating pie lol wtf?!) Microsoft cannot stand not having a piece of it. To be honest, I think the fact that they cannot have all of it rankles them. I hate to sound like a typical anti-M$ "slashbot", but whenever I think of adjectives for Microsoft's whole corporate mindset, the only ones I can think of are "broken" and "diseased".

Dutch? (3, Funny)

tompercival (318073) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775191)

Fantastic... dutch search results - just what I was after too.

Maybe.. (2, Interesting)

StormyWeather (543593) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775193)

their 100m would have been better spent to stop the bleeding they are about to recieve at the hands of Mozilla before folks realize they can add specialized search engines in the search toolbar instead of just google. Once folks find out how wonderful this ability is I think it will even slap Google upside the head a bit. For real research I have found this an invaluable as using google tends to give me search results that are too broad, often from sources that are more difficult to document.

Re:Maybe.. (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775236)

It's the elegant CTRL+F now for me. Just so elegant.

The deeper I get into Firefox, the more I realise how much I don't like IE.

Payback attempt (1)

Highpriest (758004) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775194)

Can you say trying to get back at google for gmail? Making microsoft upgrade all their hotmail accounts to 250mb must have pissed lil billy off.

Re:Payback attempt (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775369)

My freebee Hotmail account is still 2M. (Already have a gmail account, thanks.)

Re:Payback attempt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775378)

My hotmail account is still at 2MB. I delete 99% of my new email (I use it to register on websites I don't trust, so it gets all the spam), but it sucks that I have to check it very often. Not to mention 2MB accounts are useless for many kinds of work, try sending several autocad files to a hotmail account, heck, even single files can be over 2MB. Gmail screwed them because now there's a mainstream webmail provider that gives 'unlimited' space, why pay for a webmail account these days? I have a pop3 account from my ISP that I haven't even set up, I mean, I change ISPs every now and then, I've had 4 or more in the last 6 years, can you imagine changing phone numbers that often? And there isn't an equivalent to a phonebook for email, which makes it even more of a paint.

Biased (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775196)

At least they are not biased Click Here [msn.com]

The question is (1)

pagal_paanda (824030) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775197)

The question remains, for how many months it will remain as "Beta"?

Re:The question is (1)

fronti (678492) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775213)

it isn't beta at the day HURD is released... scnr max

crawler being the operative word (1)

Justabit (651314) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775198)

I'd like to see it work first befor puting it down, I mean 100 mil $ spent by Bill gates GUARANTEES a superior product ....doesn't it?

Search Results: (1)

ArbiterOne (715233) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775202)

Talk about search biasing: Results 1-15 of about 17513887 containing "linux"
Results 1-15 of about 31192494 containing "windows"
Results 1-15 of about 25424770 containing "microsoft"
Results 1-15 of about 6769904 containing "unix"

Re:Search Results: (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775316)

On google:
Results 1 - 10 of about 195,000,000 for windows
Results 1 - 10 of about 162,000,000 for linux
Results 1 - 10 of about 44,400,000 for unix
Results 1 - 10 of about 163,000,000 for microsoft

So, google has a higher proportion of linux pages than msn. But wait before you start spinning your conspiracy theories. Google indexes the web archives of Linux related mailing lists and msn seems to be not so good at that. Excluding the mailing lists there a lot more pages contaning the term "windows" than "linux'. Also, since msn is run by Microsoft, the crawlers probably started at microsoft.com and msn.com and other microsoft run websites which obviously have more windows pages and links than linux related ones. So this might be an honest "mistake".

One word why Microsoft will fail (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775207)

censorship

Re:One word why Microsoft will fail (0)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775329)

Mod parent up. I searched for "fuck" and didn't get even one result. There are far too many non-porn related pages which contain words like this to be censored out.

The best part of all... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775215)

is that when I searched for "Windows XP crack" it found a great page about an underground piracy ring called the SPA, they even gave me a number to call 1-800-388-PIR8. Thanks Microsoft!

Best search engine (4, Funny)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775219)

Just try to search "best search engine" and enjoy what comes out:
http://www.search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=SRCHWB &q=best%20search%20engine [msn.com]

Re:Best search engine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775282)

And oddly enough msn search gave the correct result and google did not.

Re:Best search engine (1)

robfoo (579920) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775324)

MSN comes in at #11! They're obviously biasing the results in their favour! ;)

Tit for tat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775221)

With Microsoft around what's the use in even trying to do anything? You know you do something and then the 800lb gorilla jumps into the game and all the kids want to go home.

Is this just to give the impression that Microsoft isn't a monopoly that it is?

Like giving Apple a years head start on iTunes, we all know M$ could have had a store open within a month.

Microsoft realized they need Apple's R&D and Apple needed to make a buck for awhile, so they slow played their store.

Now the 800 lb gorilla has appeared with it's "universal" answer to iTunes. Well I say screw them!

Linux and Mac OS X to rule the world!

First step, just refuse to run M$ software period, it's not bad actually. You'll LIVE!

lack of trust (4, Insightful)

vinsci (537958) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775222)

Microsofts search engine lacks the most important feature: trusted results.

In the past, it has been shown that Microsoft blocks search results that are contrary to its own business interests.

Re:lack of trust (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775377)

So you don't think their idea of trustworthy computing will fix it?

No Results - Would you like to.. (1)

Nikkodemus (763778) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775227)

search for Chinese Dissidents on Amazon.com?

W3C page for HTML nowhere in the first 20 results (2, Insightful)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775228)

I searched for 'html' in their "preview" search engine and the w3c page for HTML was nowhere in the first 20 results. I didn't look beyond 20 results. The w3c page should have been in at least the first 20 results. Is this search engine really that good?

If their past strategy is any guide... (2, Insightful)

DonDiablo (158580) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775229)

... after getting enough users from directing all windows searches to their engine, they will create "search extensions" for all the sites hosted in a Microsoft server, and "special html/jsp search tags" for sites developed using their tools, which will produce a better placement on their search results.

Re:If their past strategy is any guide... (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775264)

The problem with doing such a thing is that ultimately it will fail consumers who will go elsewhere.

Search engines have to serve consumers, not providers.

Unbiased results?? ROTFL (1)

pagal_paanda (824030) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775231)

I'm interested in seeing if searching for Mozilla or any other competition, will it give censured results or would it try to stay unbiased. Although, considering M$'s history, unbiased is far-fetch. And, more important is how many users would actually switch from Google, even if it's superior to Google (highly doubtful). I for one, would like to see a benchmark to see the difference.

Almost there... (2, Informative)

Luigi30 (656867) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775240)

They have 99 million matches for Linux. Google has 162 million.

Simple interface (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775242)

Microsoft is finally beginning to learn that simplicity is very important. Look at the UI of their search engine page. Hmm... A word that starts with 'G' and ends with 'oogle' comes to my mind..

Looks just like google (2, Insightful)

ChrisMDP (24123) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775244)

Sadly, Microsoft are up to their old tricks again...

1. Release a sub-standard product which looks like the better original.
2. Rely on their massive brand penetration to increase market share.
3. Throw enough cash at something to make it worthwhile.

It irritates me that they do this - it slows the rate of internet progress down by duplicating other peoples ideas. Why not invest in google and build on what someone else has done, rather than trying to completely monopolise all areas of the internet?

Re:Looks just like google (0, Flamebait)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775338)

.

Google copied Microsoft.

Bill Gates is the world's most brilliant innovator. He invented the word processor, spreadsheet, database, compiler and the operating system, and then he went on to invent the internet as well. Recently, he has cured cancer.

Stop denigrating Bill Gates just because you can't be as good as him.

Bill Gates is a resolute leader.

Re:Looks just like google (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775350)

Werd, brother - but unfortunately, the capitalist pig-fucking engine roles endlessly onwards, and peons keep sucking down their 'solutions' as they are all they can see from where they stand, due to their tv being in the way, anyway.

Bill Hicks had it right - human beings are 'a virus with shoes'. We are here to fuck the world, and no matter how many of us care, we are drowned out by those too busy rutting and poisoning the rest of us.

wtf? (3, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775245)

although it appears this is mostly a face-lift (despite a year of development and $100 million investment)

I thought it was only marketing that didn't understand that just because it looks the same, doesn't necessarily mean you've done nothing under the hood.

THE bot? (5, Informative)

knipknap (769880) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775246)

I wonder whether that's the bot that has been scanning my website for three days by attempting to "crawl" through all session ids and causing more then 1 GByte of traffic.

"msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)"

It was only stoppable by blocking the IP. (robots.txt was only read once before it started) Great, smart bot, really.

3 bad results. (4, Interesting)

caluml (551744) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775260)

Orange. No results for Orange, the mobile phone company.
Linux. No pointers to linux.org.
Google. Returns the Dutch/Belgian version of the page. Why?

Everybody love MS! (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775269)

Any info on what "user agent" string will they use? I bet people will be finding all kinds of... interesting stuff on "Moogle".

Country-specific redirection borked (2, Interesting)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775272)

Clicking on the tech preview link in the blurb redirects me to a French version of the page, at techpreview.search.msn.fr. The problem, you ask? I'm in Spain.

Minor detail, sure, but add it to the shaky performance of the actual search, and this product would seem to require more than a couple of months of fine-tuning.

Filtering out queries (4, Interesting)

ttys00 (235472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775285)

Will they be filtering out queries with this engine as well (eg. xfree86 being filtered as discussed here a while back)?

Of course. And while they do that, I won't be using it.

I just entered "fsck microsoft" into their search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775295)

....and what do you guess. It returned "microsoft.com"!

The barrier to entry here... (1)

tclark (140640) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775337)

...is our habits. In order to make some real ground in this area, MS has to come up with something so compelling that it will motivate us to change. Google is already working for me - so what can MS do for me that Google doesn't already do?

Junk results? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775345)

I work for the Austrian data protection commission. Among other things I service their website http://www.dsk.gv.at/.

So, I went to MSN search and tried "data protection Austria". What do I get?

** The first hit is http://www.privacyexchange.org/legal/nat/omni/aust riasum.html - ridiculously outdated. E-Mail-Address is junk, Phone number is incomplete, Fax number is junk. I have mailed privacyexchange repeatedly and asked for an update. I did not even get a reply. On the bottom it says: "Document updated May 30, 2001"

** The second hit is http://europa.eu.int/ISPO/legal/en/dataprot/datapr ot.html - another grossly outdated page. It even says "archived" on the page itself.

** The third hit is the Austrian government website. Close.

** The fourth hit is in Bulgaria. You wouldn't want to know how badly outdated this one is.

On the bottom of the search page, it says "Not satisfied with your results? Help us improve." I click on that link and get a feedback page in Spanish.

First impression: Junk.

It'll be crap, but it'll be the preset default (1)

gotan (60103) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775354)

Microsoft never gets it right the first time, usually after about three or four tries they come up with something half-decent, still far inferior to the competition (remember Windows 3.1, or the early versions of IE?).

But they don't need to, they will heavily leverage it via Windows and IE, It'll be "built in" and soon it'll be such an "essential" component of the OS that no Windows-copy can be sold without it.

That's how MS leveraged DOS to spread Windows, and how they leveraged Windows to kill netscape with the (then) inferior IE, how they attempt to leverage Windows to spread their mediaplayer and, even more important, media-formats and how they try to muscle away free-for-all protocolls like TCP/IP in favour of their patented crap.

Why should it be different this time?

Netcraft says the hosting servers run on Linux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10775363)

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=search.m sn.com

Search Results (4, Funny)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 9 years ago | (#10775375)

Oh my. I can just see the search results now:

Search entry: "Antarctic Penguin"

Search Result: A paperclip pops up on your screen and says "It appears you are searching for a penguin. Did you know Microsoft servers are cheaper to run than Linux? Would you like to buy one now?"
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