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Microsoft Says Firefox Not a Threat to IE

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the totally-unconcerned dept.

Mozilla 1306

KillaKen187 writes "A CNET article claims that 'just days after the launch of open-source browser Firefox 1.0, Microsoft executives defended Internet Explorer, saying it is no less secure than any other browser and doesn't lack any important features.' It's also interesting to note that these statements made by Steve Vamos, Microsoft Australia's managing director, come with no knowledge of what Firefox has to offer as he admits not even installing or using Firefox."

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The real reason it's not a threat (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793083)

The next version of Windows will only allow Internet Explorer to access port 80 remotely... as a security measure.

Re:The real reason it's not a threat (5, Insightful)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793116)

How can he say FF is not a threat if he hasn't even downloaded and installed it?

Many friends I know were reluctant about installing another weird name browser until I do it for them, and from then onwards IE is history

Re:The real reason it's not a threat (5, Interesting)

maadlucas (679602) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793187)

Most people don't actually care. The vast majority of people simply don't know what a program is, what an operating system is, what a CPU is or whatever. To them, you click this little button to print, that little button to shutdown, and you click on "Internet Explorer" to "Explore the internet". That's why its such a great name for a web browser, and also the reason why Apple introduced a little "Browse the Internet" icon in MacOS 8 which launched your default browser. The real reason why Firefox is not a threat is because People Are Dumb.

Great quote to take out of context (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793084)

There are plenty of products out there with features we don't have. We have plenty of features that our customers don't use.

Indeed they do!

Re:Great quote to take out of context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793121)

Actually, it's a ridiculous statement even in context.

Re:Great quote to take out of context (4, Insightful)

JoshuaDFranklin (147726) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793145)

And tell me... where is this address where users let Microsoft know what features they really want?

Re:Great quote to take out of context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793220)

If you had actually bought your copy of Windows instead of pirating it you would know the support address very well, my dear. Too well for your taste, I guess ;-)

Feed Mania (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793227)

This guy is a treasure trove of wit, here's another good one I noticed after re-reading a second time:

We take user feedback very seriously. If you have that feedback, then you should feed it back to us because we will feed it to the product team.

It inspires a poem:

Feed us the feedback double-quick!
When we've digested the feed then lickey split
Your browser we'll enance to make it more slick
But keep you safe from all harm? Well that's quite a trick...
Instead look at XAML - it makes buttons you click!

Tabbed browsing not important (5, Insightful)

arbi (704462) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793086)

From the CNET article:
English reiterated that features such as tabbed browsing are not important to IE users.

You can mark my word that IE will have tabbed browsing within 12 months from now.

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (5, Interesting)

Blamemyparents (730461) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793133)

In the Longhorn builds that have leaked out onto the internet, IE does in fact have tabbed browsing. However, it also has some STUPID new crap, like a redesigned bar at the top that has....a pointlessly MASSIVE back button. However, it still has just as just as many issues as current IE.

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (5, Insightful)

Sardak (773761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793140)

Or perhaps correctly rendering Portable Network Graphics.

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793172)

Alpha channels are optional, if that's the part you are complaining about.

Half ass (1, Troll)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793222)

Rendering graphics at all is optional in an HTML user agent. If Microsoft wants its web browser to render graphics, why do the developers go single-buttock about it?

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (4, Insightful)

Coneasfast (690509) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793148)

if firefox starts to take a good chunk of the market share, IE will have tabbed browsing, if it takes a bigger chunk, IE will have proper png support.

it's time for microsoft to step up and get out of denial, firefox is a viable alternative now.

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (5, Informative)

MC Negro (780194) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793196)

Back when I actually needed to use IE to access certain websites, I would always use the free AvantBrowser [avantbrowser.com] mod. IIRC, AvantBrowser simply sits on top of IE, so it is actually IE at the core. Regardless, it's got lots of features - tabbed browsing, pop-up blocker, flash filter, key bindings and a bunch of other stuff. Pretty nifty if you _must_ use IE.

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (3, Insightful)

lazlo (15906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793242)

But it's such an idiotic statement to begin with. Of course tabbed browsing isn't important to IE users. If it were important to someone, they would cease to be an IE user. It would be a similar statement to say that "Features such as high gas mileage are not important to Hummer users." While the statement is true, it has no bearing on whether or not high gas mileage is important to users of cars. Similarly, tabbed brwosing is important to many browser users, but not all. Probably, most of the browser users out there for whom it is important are using Firefox, Mozilla, Opera, etc., while some of the users for whom it is not important may be using IE (unless there is some other feature that IE lacks and other browsers have).

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793263)

"English reiterated that features such as tabbed browsing are not important to IE users."

Because the IE users that wanted tabbed browsing switched to FireFox already?

Re:Tabbed browsing not important (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793275)

I believe someone already mentioned it ...

Basically what MS is going to do is employ their new strategy of only offering updates to the newest OS's. Want Windows Media Player 10? Too bad, only runs on XP (personally I prefer Win2k -- the multitasking in 2k is *SO* much better then XP, anyone know how to fix it?).

MS's problem for many years has been they are competing with themselves. Office 2000, and Win2k are cheap and *very* functional. There's almost no difference in the functionality. What was the big selling point of XP do you recall? IT LOOKS COOL!

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793091)

FP!

They can now see the Web sites that IE chokes on (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793096)

This will probably be offtopic, but during recent presentation on shares source initiative in Ukraine, the Microsoft representative started getting corruption messages from Powerpoint, and had to run the entire PPT file in OpenOffice, which he conveniently had on the laptop. photo1 [osdn.org.ua], photo2 [osdn.org.ua], the caption says "Microsoft Shared Source Initiative".

Hasn't even looked at it... (1)

SteroidMan (782859) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793097)

Ooh, so ignorance is a valid defense after all! All right everyone, stop studying and you to can run a monopoly.

Frist Post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793100)

Frist Post!

Re:Frist Post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793185)

actually the 9th, not counting replies :)

Denial (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793101)

The infidels are nowhere near Baghdad...

First they ignore you... (0, Redundant)

Audent (35893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793102)

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Ghandi

Re:First they ignore you... (5, Insightful)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793146)

No more of this quote. Please. Ever.

Both sides ignore and laugh at each other anyway. Who wins?

Re:First they ignore you... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793258)

Slashdot should run a poll on most overused quote on Slashdot. Other candidates could include Ben Franklin's "Those who give up liberty for the sake of security deserve neither liberty nor security.", Bill Gates' "640K ought to be enough for anybody." and Linus Torvalds' "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it."

Re:First they ignore you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793152)

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Ghandi

Unfortunately, you - meaning anyone near the forefront of the revolution - normally get martyred, assassinated, or banged up in jail for most of your life during stage 3.

And that's if you even make it to stage 3. Not everyone being ignored or laughed at is a righteous prophet.

Re:First they ignore you... (4, Insightful)

Repton (60818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793233)

And that's if you even make it to stage 3. Not everyone being ignored or laughed at is a righteous prophet.
They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
-- Carl Sagan

That's Not How it Works With Microsoft (5, Funny)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793276)

First they downplay you, then they issue FUD about you, then then strongarm vendors who want to bundle your software, then they buy your company and incorporate your technology into their OS.

If Ghandi had been going up against Microsoft, he'd be one of those happy friendly cartoon search agents now, like that puppy or that paperclip.

Of course not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793103)

MS will just make sure the next service pack is 'incompatible' if Firefox does take a large share. MS will use some excuse like the 'security features' are incompatible with Firefox.

uh, no. (1)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793104)

This is really just more MS-FUD. Almost everyone know now uses Firefox. A year ago, that definitely wouldn't have been true. If IE earns enough of a reputation as being a complete piece of junk, and starts being "uncool" to use, even the dumbest of users will start using the "cool" thing to have at the moment, Firefox.

correction... (1)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793165)

Sorry, that should be "Almost everyone I know now uses Firefox." Yay for not using Preview...

Re:uh, no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793256)

"Almost everyone" ? Relax a bit, this absolutist attitude points you out in a crowd as a hype victim. Firefox is new, Firefox is cool. Ok, I've been there with half the software and internet sites. How many of them stuck ? I myself envision a time when Information Zealots will promote graphicless web sites and use a discrete color-scale code to mark links or input fields. But that's just me. Firefox is logically more appealing because it's simpler. Wait until most internet users become aware of the subtleties of information, and you will probably have text mode browsing as The Newest Cool Thing. And, excuse me, I don't see what the heck is so revolutionary about tabbed browsing ? I'm using Opera, dude. And for a long, long time, I've been the Surfomancer doing his thing with elegant wrist gestures. Now THAT, is revolutionary, as far as the user's experience goes.

Catch 22 (3, Interesting)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793113)

In a previous Slashdot article (a few months ago, I can't seem to find it at the moment), a Microsoftie was quoted as saying he had installed Firefox (among other browsers). Of course, we Slashdotters razzed him for it.

Today, we have someone from Microsoft who says they haven't installed Firefox. This is decried as shameful -- how dare he criticize the application if he hasn't tried it?

Poor Microsoft. They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Damned if I care, though; I use Opera [opera.com], myself.

Re:Catch 22 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793176)

My guess is you work for Opera Software.

Re:Catch 22 (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793199)

Yeah, how dare Slashdotters have different opinions about things?!

Re:Catch 22 (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793214)

You use something not free! shame on you.

btw. I didn't razz the guy who did install firefox. I supported him. Meanwhile, spreadfirefox.com is starting up many a grass-roots campaign to spread firefox. Its quite obvious to me that the only people who can decry firefox and those who haven't used it. Everyone who I've shown it to and actually taught to use the advanced non-obvious features never turns back.

Re:Catch 22 (2, Insightful)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793235)

Honestly, even if Microsoft were to take hints from Mozilla and implement tabs, extentions, skinning, and png support, and make their browser bug free (heh ok, that is going a little far) people would still criticize them, just for being Microsoft. And I bet a fair share of those that would be criticizing the new browser would refuse to try it as well. :P

Re:Catch 22 (2, Insightful)

balaam's ass (678743) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793259)

Today, we have someone from Microsoft who says they haven't installed Firefox. This is decried as shameful -- how dare he criticize the application if he hasn't tried it?

I think you're probably missing the point of the criticisms other /.ers have posted. The point is not that, "Oh, here's a Microsoft user who hasn't installed Firefox." Big deal. No, the point is that here we have a software executive who's making public statements, assuring people about the competitiveness of his product against a contender that he hasn't even TRIED.

This are the tactics of a desperate but incompentant person. The fact that this article came out at all shows that Microsoft is "taking" the threat very seriously, and yet they're not TREATING seriously by actually doing their homework on Firefox. Duh...

Re:Catch 22 (1)

shadowmatter (734276) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793269)

If I recall correctly, the Microsoftie who said he installed Firefox immediately followed by denouncing its security because he had to install a patch (to go from 0.9 to 0.9.1, IIRC).

I thought the sentiment here was that it's okay to install and try your competitors products -- God knows Microsoft's done it enough times to see what to include in their own product line. Sometimes you have to -- the division that writes MS Office for Mac has no choice but to use OS X, right? But it's pretty low to bring up a competitor's product in an interview just to mention a critical flaw when your own track record is at the bottom of the heap.

- sm

Preaching to the choir, but ... (4, Insightful)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793115)

He says if consumers wanted more features, they'd tell Microsoft, using the example of tabbed browsing. I would argue that if consumers knew what features they wanted, that would be true - but innovative features have to be created somewhere. Sounds like someone's got a bad case of the NIH syndrome to me ...

Re:Preaching to the choir, but ... (1)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793194)

well, hopefully the NIH ( National Institutes of Health ) is working on a cure to that syndrome. And hopefully I can get funding for it.

Re:Preaching to the choir, but ... (5, Insightful)

maximino (767005) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793240)

This is a perfect example of why you want competing products in the world. The Microsoft rep is being disingenuous when he says that their customers don't want new features; the Microsoft way is to wait for customers to decide what they want, then make something just like it.

A resurgence in the browser wars will just serve to make both browsers better, and that's the way customers get better products. Since Firefox is an open project, there is no central company for Microsoft to destroy this time. We'll have to see how it all works out, but no matter what, it's good for the user.

That's a really good point (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793253)

How much more blantant could Microsoft be in saying they are not really an innovator?

"If you don't ask for it - we can't think of it!"

Lets face it (-1, Troll)

Shaklee39 (694496) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793119)

He is right.

Re:Lets face it (4, Interesting)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793226)

Browsers come and go, but firefox is making a serious impact here.

I was flipping channels, and saw some news show (damn if I can remember which one) was talking about it briefly. Something like a open source browser being TV worthy is something.

Heck, even a lot of the non-geeks at my work have heard through the grape vine that Firefox is the way to go. They are installing it, and loving it, and spreading the word.

Of course, you were only trolling.

Not A Threat To IE (1)

style7711 (535582) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793120)

Apparently they have never used Firefox. At least we'll have a nice quote to throw back at them in a couple years. No more 640k ram should be enough for anyone.

Eh? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793127)

It's also interesting to note that these statements made by Steve Vamos, Microsoft Australia's managing director, come with no knowledge of what Firefox has to offer as he admit not even installing or using Firefox.

Did the former Iraqi Information Minister find a new job?

Nice market share you got...I think I'll take it. (5, Insightful)

Dr. Bent (533421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793130)

Microsoft executives defended Internet Explorer, saying it is no less secure than any other browser and doesn't lack any important features.

I only hope that the mangement at Microsoft continues to believe this statement for the forseeable future. Nothing could help Firefox more.

Say what you may (5, Interesting)

a3217055 (768293) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793134)

Say what you may, I use Firefox on all my ( windows, Linux, OSX, AIX, Solaris ) systems. I have taught other people such as relatives and firends the joy of Firefox, and they too have switched over too the new browser. Firefox is a revolution of people getting what they want from the web back. With a search bar, adblocking and pop up blocking, and support for all the major plugins ( like flash and java etc ...) Firefox is now the most nicest browser out their. And many websites are fixing themselves to work with FireFox.

Still using IE here (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793135)

Still using IE... never had any problem with these so-called "threats" that are constantly and tiresomely reported ad naseum here on slashdot. Never had a problem, never had a security issue, never had a cra

Re:Still using IE here (1)

MrWh1t3 (807677) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793182)

i am sure you have but lack the knowledge of knowing if you have been compromised.."not calling you stupid just saying not everyone knows if they have been"

sometimes you gotta wonder (5, Interesting)

jcern (247616) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793137)

They claim that tabbed browsing is not a feature that their clients want, yet if you go to the windows page at microsoft http://www.microsoft.com/windows/default.mspx they have an option there that says "Want Tabbed Browsing, Search Toolbars, and More?". All those options suspiciously being features incorporated into firefox. Maybe they do see it as a threat after all.

Not changing anytime soon (0)

Richard5mith (209559) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793139)

I've not been a victim of a single IE security hole (I keep up to date and I'm not a stupid user) and find that it does everything I want a browser to do. I see very little in Firefox that makes me want to switch. So I can see why MS aren't worried. I'm still waiting for that killer Firefox feature.

On my iMac however, it's Firefox or Camino all the way.

Re:Not changing anytime soon (1)

hammock (247755) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793265)

I've not been a victim of a single IE security hole

Run spybot search and destroy, you will whistle a different tune.

Re:Not changing anytime soon (1)

foxfyre (739671) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793283)

"I'm still waiting for that killer Firefox feature." Yeah, it's not Microsoft.

New Features (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793149)

if Microsoft's customers wanted new features, they would have told the company about it.

Because the customers are user interface engineers who know exactly what will make their experience better, right?

This is nothing new (5, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793150)

They can just keep repeating that they aren't afraid just to reassure themselves and their business partners. The statement that IE is not less, secure, well, is known false. The security is compromised the same moment they integrated the browser into the OS so tightly. Btw, the mere fact that they react on firefox shows its effect on the market. I think in the future firefox will steadily get a nice share of the browser market, when more and more users learn about its features. IE is just an ancient application, deprecated, and insecure (CERT says so, not me, before someone starts accusing me).

Be it in government or corporate life... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793157)


we often see Aussies speaking for others,
rather than thinking & speaking for them-
selves.

Whether Bush's "Duputy John Howard"
or even Gates' "Deputy Steve Vamos"

we've heard it before/we'll hear it again

If Microsoft really wants a dog in this race.... (1, Interesting)

Rahga (13479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793170)

The recent press, I believe CNN.com and a few others, have mentioned the competition between Firefox and Internet Explorer. One thing I noticed is statements from Microsoft, and otherwise, about how Firefox may have a bit of a challenge on its hands when the next version of Windows is released with an improved Internet Explorer.... The problem is that all of these articles cite "Improved Security" as a feature.

Now, I don't know about you, but the notion of Microsoft allowing their current IE offering to stagnate while developing on their next offering with the big feature being security improvements.... That just strikes me as wrong. They need to take care of their current customers who have already thrown their load in with MS, rather than set them up for future sells based on improvments that should never be labeled as a "Feature"...

Selling security improvments on a browser is like improving selling new gas tanks designs on a Ford so they would be less likely to explode.

One feature Firefox is missing (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793171)

IE 6.0 has a really nice auto hide feature for the filebar when in full screen mode. Full screen is indeed full screen. Under Firefox 1.0 you have to uncheck the navigation and bookmark toolbar while in window mode and then go into full screen mode.

IE? (0, Troll)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793174)

Whats this 'Internet Explorer' thing you speak of (google, click).. Oh, I see.. something that only runs on Windows, which I dont use either.

In other news... (1)

Lord Haha (753617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793175)

Microsoft says that its OS is "more then reliable enough". The study was backed up be a pretty looking graph detailing how much solitaire is played while making pretty looking graphs.

Muahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793184)

BWAHHAHAHA They suspect nothing... NOTHING! MUAHAHAHAHA! In only a few short years.. they'll be renaming internet explorer... The Windows Update Browser(TM)! *cough* heh..

First step... done! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793188)

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win"

Gahandi

Well first step... done.

Million Downloads in a 1.5 days...not a threat (1)

tjhanley (338322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793190)

"You don't have to download or install IE we embed it in every aspect of your system. There for everything has to use it." he said in his best Fake M$ Spokes Person voice.

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ [spreadfirefox.com] Spread it.

One such feature, grammar check.. (0, Offtopic)

talaphid (702911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793191)

"It's also interesting to note that these statements made by Steve Vamos, Microsoft Australia's managing director, come with no knowledge of what Firefox has to offer as he admit not even installing or using Firefox."

There is an "admit" in that sentence look precarious to me.

Oh really? (2, Interesting)

rampant mac (561036) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793195)

"...doesn't lack any important features."

Thank you, Microsoft, for helping me determine what is, and what is not, my priorities for an enjoyable web browsing experience.

Thank you, Open Source, for opening the eyes of these huddled masses of consumerism, and showing them a better alternative.

Bravo.

Firefox saves buying new laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793202)

Got an old Toshiba Portege P2 laptop running Win98 (firewalled) with only 64Mb RAM. Using it only for surfing and email (Thunderbird). Firefox runs fast and reliably. Longhorn? Why bother?

Some may not like to hear this.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793212)

but I know personally a lot of Linux advocates that declared how crappy Unixware is, even though they never used or tried it (let alone installed it). In fact, one went on record saying that "UW 7.1.4 doesn't even support USB 2.0".

This is not news (3, Insightful)

theblacksun (523754) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793215)

This is just propaganda. What else are they going to say? "Wow this browser is so great we're going to have to revamp IE to compete!"

Of course they're going to play it down. It should be expected.

Well, then (3, Interesting)

dshaw858 (828072) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793219)

Then Microsoft appears to be wrong. While it's likely true that Internet Explorer is no less secure than Firefox (come on, professional coders at Microsoft probably know what they're doing), the fact is that the Mozilla Project is better at getting fixes. When there was a security vulnerability in Firefox 0.9.3 (I believe) a few months ago, the patch was released within a few short hours. Flaws in Internet Explorer often run rampant for days, sometimes weeks. So while Internet Explorer's code may be no less secure, it is effectively the weaker browser. Saying that Firefox poses no threat to Microsoft is either naive, egotistical, or idiotic.

- dshaw

it's okay (1, Insightful)

ColonBlow (120356) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793228)

You don't have to install Firefox or use it to know what features it has. It's called reading or talking to someone who Has used it. I don't see how he can be criticized for this. Everything else is fair game, of course.

I hope this is REALLY their position (1)

tweedlebait (560901) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793232)

Unlikely as it is, I hope this is really the view MS takes (and sticks to) about firefox / mozilla. It would be wonderful if ms never 'innovated' anything again for that matter.

Laff (1)

koan (80826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793236)

If by that it won't infect M$'s IE with a virus or trojan then yes.
Almost everything else will though =\

...they would have told the company about it (5, Interesting)

femto (459605) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793239)

I've news for you Steve. Most small customers don't bother with feedback as the perception is that it will be ignored.

First MS will lose the small 'at home' and business customers. Once these people are comfortable with the competition, the competition will seep into the big MS customers, for whom the 'small customers' are employees.

No, I'm not going to post this directly to you Steve, as I reckon you will ignore it.

of course it's a threat (1)

VanillaCoke420 (662576) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793243)

If companies realise they want to have their computers a little more safe from the almost weekly virus attacks, then they will switch to Firefox. Same with the average person - as soon as they hear about it and dare to try it.

the obvious (1)

yulek (202118) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793245)

whenever microsoft makes an announcement that something is not a threat to their business, you know that it is, otherwise why bother making such an announcement?

reminds me of what they were saying about the web in 1995. and linux for the last 6 years.

in fact, a friend of mine just took a job at MS to work in their "why MS OS'es are better than linux" group.

XUL (4, Interesting)

darnok (650458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793255)

XUL is potentially a huge advantage that Firefox (and other Mozilla-based browsers) have over IE.

Using XUL, you can develop full-blown user interfaces that aren't limited to HTML-style text boxes, radio boxes, drop-down boxes and so on. Instead, you get access to trees, grids, menus, groupboxes, SOAP and XML-RPC client access and so on; a sizeable subset of what e.g. VB has to offer. It also understands CSS, so you can make XUL interfaces visually attractive if you're unlike me and actually have the patience to do so...

It's quite easy to develop XUL code as well, if somewhat time-consuming because there isn't yet a good, stable IDE available.

MS knows there's a market for this stuff, because it was developing XAML which meets broadly the same requirements. However a solid XAML implementation is currently a few years away at least, so XUL has a window of opportunity.

In case it's not obvious, here's why you'd use XUL instead of e.g. VB to develop application front-ends:
- easy to deploy to clients (i.e. install e.g. Firefox, and that's it; no mucking around with DLL versions)
- easy to maintain (i.e. tweak the code on a server rather than tweak and redeploy to every client)
- already cross-platform (Windows, Linux, Solaris, Mac, BSD, ...)
- no dependence on ActiveX or Java to give the "rich client experience"
- supports CSS and works with HTML, so competent Web designers should be able to pick up XUL without great difficulty. Someone please please please create an IDE to make this easy!
- works with existing Web servers (e.g. Apache, IIS) without difficulty; after all, XUL is just XML text and Web servers have been serving text since day 1

The C Stands for Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10793261)

So, let me get this straight. C-Net goes all the way to austrialia to find a "managing director" who hasn't used Firefox and then makes the statement that Microsoft doesn't see Firefox as a threat? Come on people. Read around on the weblogs at MSDN [msdn.com] and you'll run across 100s of Microsoft employees excited about Firefox and running it.

But I'm glad to know they went out of their way to interview a managing director of Cisco to find out that Cisco uses IE, but only with "Cisco's Secure Agent" running. I'm surprised they didn't throw in an interview from a managing director of Papa Johns who only uses IE while enjoying some delicious Papa Johns pizza

no knowledge whatsoever (1)

slimyrubber (791109) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793266)

come with no knowledge of what Firefox has to offer as he admit not even installing or using Firefox.
Em.. Thats really openminded and insightful approch to make a statement. Good job...

Browser War 2 (1)

Magickcat (768797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793267)

It's good to see Microsoft completely indifferent to their user base. It helps me keep faith that real innovation will beat their marketing hype.

Of course, Microsoft never fights battles in technological and innovative terms, but through marketing and business tactics.

Let the Browser War 2 (BW2) begin.

The same Microsoft? (1)

Ninjy (828167) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793272)

Is this the same Microsoft from the one who also said 640k ought to be enough? ;)

IE attacked because it's common (4, Insightful)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793274)

They say IE is a target because it's everywhere, not because it has holes. Well then, Apache is everywhere. Why don't we hear about a new buffer overflow or mishandled JPG in Apache every two weeks?

Just the usual M$ strategy (1)

wertarbyte (811674) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793277)

Microsoft used this strategy several times. Remember their position towards Linux: They more or less ignored it , until they considered it a serious threat for their market share. They then switched to the usual FUD campaigns (TCO stuff etc.). The next phase will feature M$ using Linux for their own purpose. The same is happening now to Firefox. Once it reaches a signifacant momentum, Microsoft will react and present studies claiming IE to be superior.

Site developers are hindering Firefox adoption (4, Insightful)

Radi-0-head (261712) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793279)

Too many sites still require IE/ActiveX to function properly. Vistaprint.com comes to mind. I always make it a point to write and/or call when I encounter a site that doesn't work and let them know it's "broken", and that they're about to lose a customer since I refuse to use IE.

On the other hand, when I encounter a site that supports Firefox and encourages its use (Wells Fargo, for instance) I always send an email to whoemver contacts I can find praising their decision to support a more secure browser.

The more people that do this, the faster IE can be banished forever.

Not a threat -- maybe or maybe not (1)

blahbooboo2 (602610) | more than 9 years ago | (#10793284)

Well, they said the same thing about Linux several years ago to. For the desktop market linux probably isnt a threat, but the server market lol it's definitely been a thorn in MS side :) Just think of all the creative pricing plans MS has had to do to compete with *free* linux.

Thank you firefox for brining competition back to the browser market! :)
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