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Nintendo's Lawsuits Aided by Fans

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the thanks-for-the-assist dept.

GameCube (Games) 402

Guppy06 writes "Last week there was a posting about Nintendo's efforts to crack down on people selling counterfeit Nintendo hardware and software, and there was at least one reply from a guy who reported someone to Nintendo. It turns out he's not alone; according to a posting at Nintendorks, NOA's Jodi Daugherty, their director of anti-piracy efforts, says it was helped by over 400 people reporting such kiosks to them."

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first mario post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795570)

or something

first luigi post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795648)

I want to lick your mushroom!

Not surprising really... (4, Insightful)

tekiegreg (674773) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795575)

Nintendo probably has a more loyal fan base at this time. Rather than the Record Industry pain in the butt Sony, or the Borgish I could bash them forever Microsoft. What harm has Nintendo really done to people other than sue the occasional Warez site distributing old Nintendo ROMS? People get cheap crap from these imitation game consoles, and see a Nintendo piracy hotline somewehere infuriated they give them a call...

Re:Not surprising really... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795603)

Well there was the price fixing thing but that took places about 15 years ago. Recently they haven't done anything that bad except for unleashing the Virtual Boy upon the world.

Re:Not surprising really... (3, Interesting)

subsonic (173806) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795606)

Well, if you look at their history, while they essentially resurrected the video games market, they also severely limited the game developers. In fact, it is this behavior that eventually led to their own fall.
Indeed, Nintendo had a grip on home consoles in the 80s that would make Microsoft weep. Granted a grasp that was finally loosened by numerous law suits.
A more loyal fanbase? certainly, but only at the cost of so many million more PS2s and Xboxes.

Re:Not surprising really... (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795633)

I think if a market stall appeared selling dodgy copies of movies and albums, then I would also do something about it.

I have always been totally two faced about things like this. If no money is exchanged and its not being used commercially, then I don't see a problem. However, once people actually begin using actual cash, it DOES start to divert money from the real content providers, whoever they may be.

Re:Not surprising really... (1)

bedouin (248624) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795789)

What harm has Nintendo really done to people other than sue the occasional Warez site distributing old Nintendo ROMS?

Well, they had a licensing program in the 80s that forbade any third-party manufacture to release the same game for Master System if it was released for NES in the US. The result? The Master System didn't do too well in America. Not to mention their battles with Tengen.

Re:Not surprising really... (1)

tekiegreg (674773) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795800)

Well...I'm implicating more towards the end-users of Nintendo product. Third party cartridge manufacturer lawsuits fall on a slightly lesser scale of evil and are generally not as noticeable by the general public. The perception in the public eyes is what matters to fan loyalty.

Dirty stinking rats! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795578)

So that's who shut my stand down...

Something you won't see... (5, Insightful)

discontinuity (792010) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795580)

Music fans reporting file sharers.

Re:Something you won't see... (1)

Kogase (811902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795678)

When a new carbon copy "artist" becomes the new fad every year, and old ones are forgotten, you don't see people developing an affinity for them as they do for a company like Nintendo, who has been a large part of many people's lives from cradle to... suit.

Re:Something you won't see... (3, Insightful)

BrianGa (536442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795709)

Actually, artists like The Grateful Dead, Phish, and John Mayer have created very large fan bases in part because they ALLOW file sharing.
These artists are generous enough to allow (and encourage) fans to trade and share all live recordings. Because of this, loyalists are very willing to report people selling/trading copyrighted material.

Re:Something you won't see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795768)

John Mayer allows file sharing? Does he provide authorized downloads somewhere? I love his music. I hear so many of my thoughts in his lyrics. "No Such Thing" probably describes my 20's more accurately than anything else could. Regardless of whether he provides the downloads himself or not, I think I'll send him $50 just for speaking my mind.

Re:Something you won't see... (1)

kgbspy (696931) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795838)

"Gerry Garcia supports file sharing from beyond the grave" - now that's a headline I'd like to see!

In all seriousness, you can add Brian Jonestown Massacre [brianjones...ssacre.com] to that list - they have close to their entire back catalogue (songs, videos, live recordings, interviews, etc) available for download from their official site.

Re:Something you won't see... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795706)

if i could make some bank on it, i'd be reporting "acquaintances" left and right.

Re:Something you won't see... (1)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795808)

Easy, just get your friends to start stealing cars. "It'll be like Grand Theft Auto!" Then report them for the $25,000 us cash reward.

Re:Something you won't see... (4, Insightful)

LoadWB (592248) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795802)

That's because sharing music and movies cannot duplicate the experience of the genuine article. The only way to do that is to produce exact copies of the original CD or DVD, but such copies are a rarity on the P2P networks.

When you buy a ticket to a theater, or you buy the DVD to watch on your system at home, you are getting a specific experience. Same with CDs. These copies you download, even really good screners, just cannot compare to the original. The compression makes movies look blocky and grainy, and music sound more tin-canny.

But the majority of these things being reported are exact copies of the original ROMs. You then take them and connect them to a TV or monitor, just like the original. Ergo, the experience has now been duplicated, and hence stolen.

There was a site which allowed you to legally purchase ROMs, but I cannot remember what it was (or maybe still is.) Everybody got caught up in the dot-com fever of "everything on the Internet should be free," which then translated to "everything which CAN be put on the Internet should be free." This just is not so, and should not be so. And to hell with the law, the issue is that of ethics and morals (and we often find the law conflicting with the later two.)

As I have stated plenty of times before, I download movies (I even made a shirt which says so which I wear to the theater,) and I download music. If the preview is good enough, I will buy a ticket or the DVD. If it sucks, then I have lost nothing but time and do not have to try to return this unpleasing product -- which cannot be done anyway.

ROM images, and now XBox rips and the like, are a completely different story. There just is no way to get a reduced quality copy of these -- you get the real deal, the genuine article, the real action and feel of the original game, even if it is Tinky Winky replacing Mario. And this should not be free, and should not be profited from by anyone other than the original producer, not unscrupulous scum that produce the clones.

What has been happening now is that because of the freebie revolution many companies are realizing that the market which they abandoned years ago is still viable. We said "if you won't give us what we want, then we will take it." So, now they are giving us (albeit rather highly priced... $20 for a single "classic" retro!) what we wanted, and in return they are telling us to stop giving away their swag. Seems a reasonable compromise to me.

Even parts of the music industry has conceded to this new medium by offering legally licensed, lower quality downloadable music. But even that is encumbered by damnedable rights management. Sure, DRM is really all about the Evil Corp, Inc. controlling what we do, but we do not have a leg to stand on in the fight against it because time and time again, the majority of file traders have proven themselves not trustworthy -- and that affects us all.

So, coming full circle, if we report Abdul, Sheehaba, Big Tony, and Mr. Earl for profiting on illegitimately gained product which gives the exact same experience as the original, then we are saying "hey, your argument that all we want to do is steal is wrong."

Re:Something you won't see... (2, Interesting)

garbletext (669861) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795883)

The only way to do that is to produce exact copies of the original CD or DVD, but such copies are a rarity on the P2P networks.

I disagree. Exact DVD copies are all over Emule and Bittorrent. Check out Suprnova [suprnova.org]. Right now there are two dvd iso torrents on the front page, and countless more on the movies page. It's becoming feasable to send uncompressed DVDs around the internet. Granted this cannot be done with movies that are newly out, but it's pretty scary fron the movie industry's viewpoint that even a casual pirate can reproduce exactly what they're selling - for free.

Re:Something you won't see... (1)

TCM (130219) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795918)

That's because sharing music and movies cannot duplicate the experience of the genuine article. The only way to do that is to produce exact copies of the original CD or DVD, but such copies are a rarity on the P2P networks.

Not at all. Offset-corrected, accurately ripped and losslessly encoded CD releases aren't rare at all. They are on the rise.

Re:Something you won't see... (2, Insightful)

cgenman (325138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795810)

You won't see game fans reporting file sharers either. We're talking about people actually selling and profiting from these games. I'm sure music fans get upset by people selling illegal copies of Red Hot Chili Peppers albums too.

Piracy in China (3, Insightful)

thepyre (697537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795583)

I have been living and working in China for the past year. There is a street in my city dedicated to console games and equipment. Some of the Game Cube knock-off hardware is incredible. They make the game console smaller, prettier, more see-through-ish, higher quality and cheaper. I know that piracy is the issue here, but it's interesting to see what other designers can do to improve the console.

China: Morally Bankrupt Society (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795671)

This week, the "Wall Street Journal [wsj.com]" (WSJ) is making its online articles available for free. The WSJ reports that the Chinese are the worst offenders in terms of piracy of software, music, movies, etc [wsj.com]. 20% of Chinese products are pirated copies.

Now, throw in the suffering of the Tibetans [tibet.org], and you have a morally bankrupt society: China.

prison labor to boot (1)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795904)

Don't forget that all those knock-offs are frequently produced using prison / slave labor. It's somewhat surprising that the US has continued to give China favored trading status in the bleak hopes that we'll ever be able to export something to them.

Re:Piracy in China (1)

MoronGames (632186) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795727)

So are these pirated Chinese GameCubes running the same hardware as a Nintendo GameCube? I'm kind of interested because as I understood it GC's used fairly custom hardware.

Re:Piracy in China (5, Interesting)

taxevader (612422) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795793)

Umm.. I call bullshit. I have been living (and gaming) in China for 3 years, and have yet to see the product you mention above. A knock-off GC??? The hardware is so proprietary it would cost them more to make a pirated version than to sell the official one, which sells here for just a bit more than the RRP overseas (1200 RMB). If they modded an original and put it in a pretty clear case I could understand. But as far as hardware goes, the only pirated consoles available are the 8-bit NES preloaded with hundreds of games. Maybe you could post some pics of the machine you claimed to have seen? It would send shockwaves through the hacking scene, because it seems not even the hardcore hackers have ever seen one of your fabled consoles.

Re:Piracy in China (1)

thepyre (697537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795836)

Sure, I can try. Currently I am living in Ningbo, Zhejiang Province. I have lived in China for a year now and in two different cities. One was in the far north and although it was a big city, there was very little (that I could find) in the ways of console gaming. However, this city (maybe because it's close to Shanghai) has a plethora of different equipment for sale. One of the GC knock-offs that I have seen seems to boast a panasonic label. Of course, you've been living in China for 3 years, so you are familiar with the rampant piracy (of logos as well), so that may be bullshit. Who knows? I'll go check 'em out this afternoon. To be honest with you, I never really paid that much attention to them anyway, because I would rather play with a Light Bright than a GameCube. The only time I have ever really glanced at the knock-offs is when I'm buying PS2 games.

Re:Piracy in China (5, Informative)

Wog (58146) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795854)

You saw the Panasonic Q, which is perfectly legal. Take a looky at lik-sang, I think they still have them.

They might mean by design, but the not contents. (2, Informative)

WiredOni (593210) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795846)

There are pirate Nes/Famicom consoles are shaped like popular consoles, like for example the first playstation [nesplayer.com].

How nice of them to keep the PS box with its advertisements for playstation games. It even has a flyer that advertiess NES/Famicoms in the shapes of a Genesis, SNES, N64, NeoGeo?(I think, I can't quite tell), and the different versions of the same consoles(i.e Genesis version II).

So I can see them making a GameCube shaped pirate Famicom/Nes if they haven't already.

Re:Piracy in China (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795894)

They can make is cheaper, because they don't have to pay developement costs, and for other IP.

They can make it smaller, and prettier because they can design it using new products out now, rather than having to stick to a design created years ago.

Thats what you get when.... (3, Interesting)

SauroNlord (707570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795584)

the corporation is loyal to their customers and treats them fairly---fan's will do their best to have everyone else support them legally. I know I do buy the CD's and games of my favourite artists/titles regardless. I had warcraft3 beta, then the release as it hit the shelves....but I still bought it.

Glad to see Nintendo doing something about this (1, Interesting)

Paska (801395) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795585)

Glad to see someone doing something about it, back when I was in high school I used to sell pirated Playstation games to my friends. I was busted by the principle when a mother found her son playing a copied porn game, none the less it was traced back to me. Sony were informed, but did that care? Nope. Life went on for me, and I continued to rip of Sony many hundreds of dollars per week at the ripe age of 14. My point is now that I am 20 years old and mature, I wish Nintendo/Sony would crack down on priates a little more, as the quality in games in my opinion has dropped a lot since the introduction of CD recorders.

Re:Glad to see Nintendo doing something about this (1)

Sebastian Jansson (823395) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795724)

So you actually wish that you would have been caught and sued?
Or is it that you think it was ok then, for you to do theese kind of illegal activities, but todays youth should know better?

Also I don't think the quality of games are that closely linked to piracy, I'd guess that it is more about change in trends. Today games, at least on the pc platform, often is more about cool graphics than gameplay. And also, people of older age(well not much older) seams more fond of the kind of games that they grew up with, so that may blur your vision some.

I, for one think that there still are some great games released from time to time.

Bleah (1)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795761)

"Today games, at least on the pc platform, often is more about cool graphics than gameplay."

It's been like that for as far back as the video game goes. There's always been crappy games with pretty grapics, even if at the time pretty meant 16 colors instead of 8.

Today there's some great games out there as well. There's a lot MORE games in general now, and the ones with pretty graphics get the media attention (as they always have) but the ones you might consider good are in there too.

Re:Glad to see Nintendo doing something about this (1)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795753)

Yeah, in an ideal world Sony would've sued you and you'd still be working to pay off the settlement.

Re:Glad to see Nintendo doing something about this (2, Insightful)

korea (615587) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795756)

No offense, but now that you have gotten away with that and won't likely see any reprocussions to what you have done, do you honestly feel that you would have had the same opinion if you and your family were sued into the street when you were 14?

Holy crap you hypocrite (2, Funny)

cbreaker (561297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795774)

"now that I am 20 years old and mature, I wish Nintendo/Sony would crack down on priates a little more"

In other words:

"now that I've stopped selling bootleg copies of games, I wish people would get caught."

And you're misguided to boot! CD Recorders have just a little bit under zero to do with the quality of games.

Re:Glad to see Nintendo doing something about this (1)

TWX (665546) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795776)

"...and I continued to rip of Sony many hundreds of dollars per week at the ripe age of 14. My point is now that I am 20 years old and mature..." (emphasis added)

Wow. Mature at age 20? young whippersnapper! What'll he get to my ripe old age of 24...

NOTE for the humor-impaired: This post intended to be funny.

Probably the biggest... (4, Informative)

Locky (608008) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795586)

I'm convinced that as a brandname, Nintendo has the most loyal following of any corporation in existence today.

This is a multinational company that can sustain profitability by selling ONLY to their fans.

Re:Probably the biggest... (3, Insightful)

MrLint (519792) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795625)

so the cult of mac gets knocked out of first place. :)

Re:Probably the biggest... (2, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795796)

so the cult of mac gets knocked out of first place. :)

The early/late 90s would prove otherwise. The dedicated Macies bought their 840AV's and Power Machintosh's, but Apple was SERIOUSLY stuggling until Jobs came in and saved them with brilliancy-after-brilliancy (iMac, revilalized laptop division, iPod, iTunes music store, Mac Stores) in an effort to win new customers.

The parent correctly states that, unlike apple, nintendo can stay profitable with only their main hardcore customer base. Case in point: the GameCube, hardly a smash, is still enourmously successful: Nintendo has been profitable for 11 of the 12 quarters of it's existence. Yes, this includes GBA sales, but big N is known (at least AFAIK) that it sells each console unit at a profit.

Re:Probably the biggest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795879)

Pfeh... The 90's were great to the Mac--those years gained Apple a huge portion of their customers: content production. In the 90's, back say when Adobe Photoshop 4 was king, there were either Macs, or SGIs (Suns were used for production, but pretty much only by Pixar.)

'Course, SGIs cost a buttload to buy, a buttload to maintain (contracts for support, and contracts for updates--and if a CD drive went out, you'd sure wished you bought the contract), and a double buttload to upgrade.

Apple was the logical choice for most of these people--they had enough power and upgradibility to hold the stay (we were haulin' 1GB files at our graphics shop in Photoshop with '94-'95 era Macs, with huge RAIDs, and PCs didn't have a hope, frankly--partly due to hardware, mostly due to software) the architecture was capable of quite alot. Granted, if you NEEDED an SGI, for whatever reason you *needed* it.

Add to this the fact that Apple's constantly had a few *billion* in liquid cash, and I'd say they were hardly struggling. Creativly? Perhaps. In a business sense? Never.

Re:Probably the biggest... (1)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795641)

I'm not sure how you could prove or disprove that statement, but I think there are certain subjective evidences all would agree upon. I mean, have you never seen someone that isn't a hardcore Nintendo fanboy playing a GBA? I'm sure. Loyal fanbase or not, their products still appeal to the mass market...

Hardware (0, Troll)

programgeek (726420) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795587)

How is this not surprising? The flaw of console systems -- You not being able to modifiy them to suit your needs?

As for pirating software -- I guess it's Nintendo's first time to take a crack at something like that -- but for what, nintendo's grip on the game market isn't as strong as it was 10 years ago anyway -- They should pay more attention to there next console and how it compares to the upcoming system (ps3) as opposed to people pirating games/hardware.

Re:Hardware (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795617)

Oh, sure that's a great philosophy and all...

Right up until the point where your R&D guys need more money to compete with the PS3, and you call up your accountant and he says that because you let piracy get out of control nobody buys your shit anymore, the game houses won't develop for your hardware because they don't make sales, and then you know what? You're living in a fucking van out by the ocean.

'Course I wouldn't expect a person that uses "there" as a posessive to understand that...

How did you find this place anyway?

testament to nintendo (5, Insightful)

terrymaster69 (792830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795589)

Despite how often we trash the RIAA etc. for their (misguided) attempts to defend copyrights, this just proves that if you treat your customers well and produce quality products, you'll be paid back. I'da turned 'em in too. Rock on Nintendo.

Re:testament to nintendo (-1, Troll)

mindless_futurist (176769) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795672)

How sad that you, and apparently other Nintendo fans, are so ready to call on the coercive power of the State; perhaps because this is the only occasion you will ever experience when that power is (apparently) at your service.

Those vast powers I referred to, having grown to frightful proportions over many years, but particulary since the events just over three years ago, might perhaps be justly be pitted against some unprovoked, malevolent force that threatened Civilization itself, if such a threat existed; but against the sale of machines that play video games?

The readiness of the State to use its violent power is all too troubling, but even more so is the readiness of the general public to accept such use.

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

Geek of Tech (678002) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795711)

>> The readiness of the State to use its violent power is all too troubling

Let's all get together and blame it on all those violent video games! Down with Nintendo!... What? Nintendo is the good guy? Long live Nintendo! Long live Nintendo.... Don't blame it on the video games!

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795779)

...so ready to call on the coercive power of the State...
...Those vast powers I referred to, having grown to frightful proportions over many years...
...The readiness of the State to use its violent power is all too troubling...

Wow, you do realize we are talking about video games here right, Mr Perspective? This is an electronics company bringing a lawsuit against people violating their copyright, not jack booted thugs keeping down the populous with violence and "the state" exercising "terrible power". Learn the difference.

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

mindless_futurist (176769) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795799)

Should the company win such a lawsuit, how do you think the ruling will be enforced? By asking nicely?

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

TwistedUranium (830426) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795898)

You can't ask someone nicely and have them pay society for their crime. They must pay, thit is what modern society is based on, if they refuse they are forced. Taking away the ability to enforce laws would make the corporations and "the man" more powerful then you could ever realise.

Re:testament to nintendo (3, Insightful)

elhedran (768858) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795784)

Um, you really misunderstand whats going on in the concept of loyalty.

People will rat on people ripping of Nintendo because they don't want a good thing to go away. I am a Nintendo fan because they favor quality over catering to the lowest common denominator, or at least, thats my opinion. Hence I want them to stick around so there is more quality stuff for me to get. And that in turn means I want to help them deal with anything that might eat into their ability to stick around.

The world isn't black or white. It kinda annoys me when people react to anything thats pro-establishment by statements such as "use its violent power". Yes, there are problems with corporations, and even Nintendo. But that doesn't mean they are 100% pure evil and should be slain in the name of the righteous.

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795798)

Not all "coercive powers of the State" are bad. The power of the state to punish those who hurt or steal from others is good.

The readiness of the State to use its violent power is all too troubling, but even more so is the readiness of the general public to accept such use.

I agree, but you need to pick your battles. If this article were about drug users, I would agree. As it's about copyright infringement...not so much.

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

mindless_futurist (176769) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795817)

I'm curious. What have drug users ever done to you personally? Seriously - what? You seem happy to see them punished for something, I'm not quite clear for what.

Re:testament to nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795843)

You read that backwards. He said he'd be upset if drug users were the ones being punished.

Re:testament to nintendo (1)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795917)

Ummm...I am a drug user. I'm saying that if the article were about drug users being turned in by people, I'd agree that the state were abusing its powers.

Are all those things garbage? (3, Interesting)

irving47 (73147) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795590)

I tried one at a mall about six months ago. The thing was junk. Super Mario Brothers was playing about 10% too fast.... Anyone else seen that?

Re:Are all those things garbage? (1)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795644)

A huge amount of them are total crap, but there are some that are the same quiality or better.

Re:Are all those things garbage? (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795653)

Super Mario Brothers was playing about 10% too fast

So not only are they running hacked pirate ROMs, they're running hacked, pirate, PAL ROMs on NTSC hardware? I'm just surprised it took N so long to notice.

The Mall (1)

samtihen (798412) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795595)

The mall where I live has a guy selling these "game systems" at a kiosk. I always wondered how it was legal. I guess the answer is "It isn't."

Re:The Mall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795822)

You live in a mall?

Ive done this.... (5, Insightful)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795597)

There was a "toys and games" shop that opened near my house, i thought nothing of it untill my friend said they were selling SNES games for $2 for any game, buy 2, get 2 free. so i headed down there. turns out they were selling counterfeit systems all the way up to the N64, and every game you could think of... I emailed nintendo, and got an amusing thank you note..

Re:Ive done this.... (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795680)

post the reply you got :D

Re:Ive done this.... (1)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795693)

I forgot to put that in, and then i was going to post it in THIS reply. But, i just cancelled my earthlink service... so they dumped out my account and i didnt save ti anywhere else(dumbass..)

Being a good company probably helps (5, Insightful)

Ambient_Developer (825456) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795602)

I probably helps that nintendo has been seen (as far as I know) as a company that has had a long long history of being a rather "good", innovative, and untainted (compared to it's counterparts). I personally like nintendo, regardless of what others say.

FIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795618)

wow I really killed this comment... a fix*It probably helps that nintendo has been seen (from what I know) as a company that has had a long long history of being rather "good", innovative, and untainted (compared to it's counterparts). I personally like nintendo, regardless of what others say. ~me thinks this is better

Re:Being a good company probably helps (1)

matria (157464) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795864)

Except for the time about 20 years ago when they got slapped down for threatening the chain retailers (there were several more besides Wal-Mart in those days) to not supply them with Nintendo systems and games for the Christmas season if they carried any other systems. At the time I was deciding whether to buy my kids Nintendo or Sega, and when this made the news I got them a Sega.

You guys don't really get this (5, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795605)

This isn't about gamecube piracy, this is about these cheesy import deals that look like N64 controllers, and plug directly into your AV jacks (like all those Atari deals), and have a bunch of old nintendo games built in.

They sell 'em everywhere, go to any flea market and you can find them. They're as flimsily built as you can imagine. There's a light gun too, for Duck Hunt.

I believe they just have an image of the old 100-in-one NES bootleg from the olden days.

Anyways, they're no doubt illegal. But we're talking about Kid Icarus and Duck Hunt, not Metroid Prime and Resident Evil Zero.

Re:You guys don't really get this (1)

sabernet (751826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795690)

I am quite happy to see "ethical" legal action. I believe ths will set a positive trend and I support Nintendo on being the video game good guys. And I do feel better actually buying their stuff and supporting them all the way(DS here I come)

However, not to dampen the mood, 35$+ for Donkey Kong(original) on the GBA is just plain wrong.

Re:You guys don't really get this (1)

jesus_of_the_trailer (595665) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795765)

It's not the same bootleg, but I think it is a similar one. Mainly, someone cobbled together a menu interface in 6502 assembler and wrote some game patches [seeing how 9/10ths of the "games" on these are just trainers, or level cheats]. A friend of mine had one a few years ago called a 'Mega Joy' that he got on eBay. Thing was totally ass.

I think this is good for Nintendo, because the overall quality of the games is ass, and I'd like to not see some hackjob attributed to nintendo [as I'm sure most 'joe sixpack' buyers will assume it's a licensed product].

This is a completely different thing than ROMs really, since the secondary market for original NES games doesn't ever trickle any revenue towards Nintendo... and most people share the games for the simple love of them.

Do you know how hard it is to force yourself to pay the prices that some of these games are asking for on eBay? I do... because hell, I still buy NES carts.

Most of them... I'd rather play on an emulator... since the added feature of savestates makes the games less of a pain-in-the-ass, but... I still love to have the carts around.

I even have a powerglove ;)

There's one of those things in our local mall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795769)

Me and my friends crack up and loudly laugh about how utterly illegal the knockoffs are when we walk by their booth. No one has said anything to us yet.

Yes, but if Suicide Girls ever got a hold of this (2, Funny)

aardwolf204 (630780) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795610)

IANAL, but I've read a lot of Groklaw, and from what I can understand Nintendo has never really cracked down on NES, SNES, or N64 roms, maybe it has something to do with over-the-internet, rather than in-the-shopping-malls where Joe Sixpack and Jane PonyKeg wander. At this point I deem it perfectly safe for Suicide Girls [suicidegirls.com] to start selling these mame-wanabees [cmdrtaco.net] on their site.

You can put down the DMCA now...

Thank you.

More and more common? (5, Interesting)

Tethys_was_taken (813654) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795627)

I remember that when the HL2 source code was leaked, Gabe Newell (VALVe founder) sent out a request to the HL community [halflife2.net]. It worked. Pretty soon, they managed to get a few leads and tracked down the guy who initially distributed it. Best part was, all this happened over IRC rooms when some guy started boasting about his exploits.

This is setting a very positive trend, IMO. (Besides showing that IRC is not *just* the home of the pirates and the script kiddies :) It shows that the community will back a game publisher/developer who gives them quality stuff, and is willing to pull down shitty publishers like EA.

Anyway... long story short, this is Very Good(TM). I hope this continues

hmm (1)

dleifelohcs (777508) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795631)

Pretty sure there's at least a couple still being sold at Kiosks at my local malls. Is there something "official" I can hand them to inform them of this?

There's a good chance they don't even know.

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Weird Place for Piracy (1)

stevemm81 (203868) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795661)

I've seen this in a couple of local malls too...

Is this the first time American suburban shopping malls have been used for piracy on a large scale? Obviously you can buy knockoff CDs, etc. on the streets of New York or Hong Kong, but I didn't expect to see it in the local mall.

Re:Weird Place for Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795770)

Given what is sold there normally, it's not much of a difference.

Re:Weird Place for Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795820)

When I was a second year university student, one of the better places to shop for whitebox parts was in Sydneys Chinatown. A bunch of sellers in that area got together, and bought up shop space above a theater and rebranded it as "Technocity". It's still there today, and it's a good source for imported software, hardware, cheap RAM, etc etc.

Back then however there was also a shopfront that outright advertised in the front window that they sold pirate software ( although I can't remember the shop name ). This is quite unusual for Sydney, where we don't even have street sellers. But the best part was that they offered you 10% off any purchases if you had a student card.

Yes, I did buy something there - Blood 2: The Chosen [the-underdogs.org], for A$10. Considering what it played like, I consider that Monolith got their revenge on me ( Sorry Mister Hall! ).

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why the opposite copyright stance, slashdot (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795695)

*cough* *cough*

i see this 'enforcement' as yet again an abuse of copyright law. copyright is there to promote the public interest. nintendo's interest has long since passed on these games in their original NES form. what this 'knockoff' company has done is take something that nintendo has made plenty of profits on during the day, and added a key innovation (small controller, cute packaging, gimmick, whatever) where there is a new spark. the 'pirates' are really the innovaters here, nintendos old 8 bit games should have long since passed into the public domain.

don't be so quick to defend copyrights in this case because its about a video game and not a music company

Re:why the opposite copyright stance, slashdot (1, Interesting)

dlundh (158421) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795855)

I can see why you posted anonymously.

Nintendo still sells the NES games repackaged for the GBA/GBA SP today and includes the games as extras in GameCube games such as Animal Crossing. Looks to me like not only is there public interest in these old gems, Nintendo seems to be pretty interested in them as well.

And yes, GBA/GBA SP is smaller than this "key innovation".

Here as well... (4, Funny)

telemonster (605238) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795699)

There are Kiosks here in the Virginia Beach, Virginia area as well. It looked like the games are all original NES games. This is similiar to the Atari classics self contained joystick sold thru places like Walmart? Are the Atari 2600 games licensed in those console systems?

I think it is funny that they started remaking Mr. Pac-Mac/Galaga arcade games. I guess they had to update the hardware+software since the original arcade couldn't be set to accept 50 cents per play. Bastards.

Go Nintendo! (4, Interesting)

Nossie (753694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795745)

I think any company should have a right to enforce their own IP. I'd even support the RIAA/MPAA if they cracked down on marketstalls or websites profiteering from the distribution. Sadly they also abuse their consumers, and I think thats going too far.

Nintendo is doing nothing less than protecting its rights, and in a far more amicable way than some of the other corporations. Sure the emulation scene has been blasted by lawyers over the years. Although, considering they are still making a profit from the old games (classic handhelds etc) do you really blame them?

Systems to support this would be the Classic NES and snes converstions to the GBA

*** (I'm not suggesting constant remakes and re-releases is right either here btw ) ***

People are slating that guy in the link because he was miffed at recieving a counterfit product. I have to say I support him 100% for taking it back.

WE ALL know counterfit copies exist, some of us are even quite prepared to buy them *knowing* they are fake/stolen but not wanting to pay full price. It's a totally different story when a shop tries to sell such products and pretend they are legit.

how would you like to buy a $60,000 Rolex to find a quartz movement inside? OR a an athlon64 4000 to find its an overclocked 3800?

I think then, you might not be so jeering when it was you that had the wrong end of the stick.

Loyal fanbases: (5, Insightful)

Nomihn0 (739701) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795762)

Almost unconsciously, I have categorized nearly all brand names I know into one of two categories: those I imagine to be supported by die hard, underdog loving fans and those embraced by the conformist, top of the game crowd. Although I realize that some of these associations are flat out absurd, they sit in my mind as such, nonetheless. I am curious if others have the same type of relationships in the back of their minds:

*Nintendo:Sony (and more recently, Microsoft)
*Armadillo Aerospace:Scaled Composites
*Mozilla:Internet Explorer
*Texas Instruments:Hewlett Packard (despite TI's market hold)
*Star Trek:Star Wars
*Wina mp(rip):WiMP

I wonder how much of this is my personal bias and how much is a result of clever advertising. Clearly, some of these comparisons are not legitimate or accurate, but the vast majority are. Regardless, those are the pairs I imagine. It's the fans of those things on the left that I feel would go out of their way for their cause.

Re:Loyal fanbases: (1)

pkhuong (686673) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795863)

TI = what students buy because school tells them to/everyone has them. HP, with its RPN, is still about loyalty and catering to those who know better ;) Check out c.s.hp48 - the user base has written a ******* manual that's better than the original! Hopefully, we'll have an alternative by the time Carly will have totally killed off the calculator division.

Bliz/Valve is debatable too.

Re:Loyal fanbases: (1)

Apathetic1 (631198) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795866)

After the bnetd debacle Blizzard firmly punted themselves onto the right hand side of those comparisons for me. All I wanted bnetd for was to run LAN games without having to install IPX. I blame Vivendi Universal rather than the Blizzard developers themselves.

Pirating Old NES Games? (5, Insightful)

rm999 (775449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795773)

I'm sure I will get modded down for this, but I honestly don't think "pirating" classic NES games, which are up to 20 years old now, is that wrong. Nintendo made a lot of money off the NES, but at this point the market for the classic Mario and Donkey Kong games is limitied to the nostalgic crowd, most of whom legitmately bought the games when they were kids. Why should we have to shell out 20 bucks for a game that we not only already bought, but that pales in comparison to newer games regarding programming time and complexity? In my opinion, these old games should be freely given to the community who made Nintendo what it is today instead of whored out by the marketing department of Nintendo to squeeze the last few cents out of them.

Re:Pirating Old NES Games? (1)

ssand (702570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795839)

I've seen these people in malls here in Canada. This isn't one guy pirating a couple games for himself or a friend, these are kiosks selling them for $70.00.

Re:Pirating Old NES Games? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#10795852)

In any case you shouldn't claim that a product made off pirate roms is a legitimate Nintendo product.

good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795801)

I noticed one in my local mall, and chose to report it too. When I saw them in the mall near me, you saw the people being suckered into the cheap piece of shit

Cracking down on more than that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795812)

You do know that Nintendo is sueing anyone that makes emulators that can run off of PDAs... with a bogus patent that is killed by all the prior art. But who cares? Its the big N and they have tons of cash =/ Funny thing is, they only seem to be going after stuff for the Palm OS...

Why I reported them (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795890)

I was one of the "400 loyal fans"... ... except I'm not really a loyal fan. They lost me to the dark side (Sega) after their stubborness over CDs. Sure, I like their games, but I haven't really been a Nintendo fan since the SNES.

There are a few reasons I reported them. First, some of those games aren't abandonware. Nintendo is actively re-releasing them for the Gameboy Advance. Second, they're competing unfairly with Nintendo. The kiosk I reported was just outside an Electionics Boutique, and I suspect a fair number of parents that were asked for a Nintendo system for Christmas saw this as a deal, and got that instead of a real system. Third, they're unfairly profiting from Nintendo's IP. They were selling these devices for nearly $70! And finally, they were extremely pushy, and used high-pressure sales tactics on anyone who passed by their kiosk.

I think emulators are perfectly legal, and trading old ROMs doesn't really hurt their bottom line, but this was wholesale abuse of their IP.

Taking out the garbage is good. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10795908)

At a mall kisok in Orlando a few months ago some guy tried to sell me one of these machines, he started out at 75 bucks, and it came with about 200 games he said(which i'm guess was similar to a multicart where about 160 are the same danm thing and only a few orignials) now while i thought it was cool after seeing Galaga he let me snoop around at the other games, which included shrek(a mario bros hack which was just mario all green), smurfs(a mario bros hack which was just mario all blue), superspider man(again a mario bros hack where mario is in a spider man costume, etc) these were terrible, awful 3rd grade remakes of classic games of course they had the original liscensed games too. But over all these things were complete crap and when i told the guy that he said well what about 50 dollars then? Danm I should look up the location right now and email NOA, nahh they never released the realistic zelda for gc so im still pissed. But anyway I'd hate to be a snitch its the worst but these things aren't good for anyone even kids.
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