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People in the blue states (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802347)

Treat them like ignorant foreigners, so why not?

The Difference (5, Funny)

techsoldaten (309296) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802350)

The difference between offshoring to India and insourcing to rural areas?

Indians speak better English.

M

The other kinds of Indians (4, Funny)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802375)

Why contract with South Asians when you can contract with businesses run by good old American Indians? I'm sure somebody on the reservation could help you admin your Apache server.

Re:The other kinds of Indians (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802406)

I'd be willing to bet they can get better pay and job security running casinos...

Re:The other kinds of Indians (2, Insightful)

big-giant-head (148077) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802506)

As the self proclaimed slashdot rep from oklahoma, I would like to announce that Oklahoma gladly welcomes our Rural Insourcing Overlords.

Dell just located a 700 person call center here and plans to double it's size...... Come on over...

Re:The other kinds of Indians (1)

dupper (470576) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802541)

Are you kidding? The spirit of sacred Bear [ora.com] has been corrupted. They'd never work in tech.

Re:The other kinds of Indians (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802548)

tepples: I'll trade you 30 beads and a pouch of tobacco for the services of your most experienced PHP warrior.

Chief: hmmm ... let us celebrate our alliance with smoking of peace pipe.

Re:The Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802379)

Indians speak better English.

So sayeth the man who has never contacted Compaq tech support.

Re:The Difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802441)

Jokes aside,

They also better educated ...

Re:The Difference (1, Funny)

Craptastic Weasel (770572) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802511)

Actually some of the software they will be supporting is already in beta. [andreib.com]

Ok thats a little harsh, but hey it's friday, and I have got karma to burn, baby.

Re:The Difference (2, Funny)

gcaseye6677 (694805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802512)

Having lived in Tennessee and Alabama for several years at a time, I must say this post is not funny. It's informative. There were people there that I simply could not understand, even after asking them to repeat themselves 5 times.

Uhhh... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802352)


So rather than "Tank you vor calling Cisco, dis is Singh, how may I help you?" I'll hear "Thanks fer callin' Cis-coe, this is Billy-Joe Jim-Bob, what's yer malfunction?"

It's a joke, lighten up.

Re:Uhhh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802513)

Unless their based Pennsylvania in which case you'll hear "Tis a fine malfunction ye have there, English"

Re:Uhhh... (0, Troll)

roman_mir (125474) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802521)

Some folk'll never eat a skunk
But then again, some folk'll...
Like Cletus
The slack-jawed yokel. ...
Most folk'll never lose a toe
And then again, some folk'll...
Like Cletus
The slack-jawed yokel. ...
Some folk'll not maintain your hub
And then again, some folk'll...
Like Cletus
The slack-jawed yokel.

Count me in. (4, Insightful)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802355)

I'll move from Manhattan to somewhere in hicksville for a job in no time. Fresh air, no subways, no bums. I'm down. Where do I sign up?

Re:Count me in. (1)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802393)

Not to mention that the cost of living is WAAAY less than Manhattan. Hell, living reasonably in Queens is probably somewhere between 3-4 times more expensive than living similarly out in southern rural areas.

Re:Count me in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802409)

Just head to sykes in Manhattan. Not that Manhattan. Manhattan, Kansas! The good news: freshmen still stay the same age.

Re:Count me in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802457)

Bums here in the country are called rednecks. And there definitely are still here...

Re:Count me in. (5, Interesting)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802465)

That's the part I never quite understood about companies that want to be built in downtown areas.

The commute sucks cause everyone has to drive to a subway station first. Then take a subway as the 2nd part of commute.

Even if you want to drive, chances are you won't find parking.

The office lease is far more expensive in the center of a city than some suburbs.

The network speed is the same.

The company may be in some skyscraper building sharing it with 50 companies. That means your company is on the 20th floor. Management gets all the window office, and everyone else cubes.

Re:Count me in. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802547)

That's the part I never quite understood about companies that want to be built in downtown areas.
...
The company may be in some skyscraper building sharing it with 50 companies. That means your company is on the 20th floor. Management gets all the window office, and everyone else cubes.

You just answered your own question. Who do you think is making the decision to locate in the downtown skyscraper? The CEO of course. He's getting a nice window office, and probably chauffeur service.

Re:Count me in. (1)

buddhaseviltwin (786340) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802499)

no bums

You're complaining about homeless in Manhattan???

Man... You'd better not consider relocating to DC.

Re:Count me in. (1)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802529)

Oh come on, there are TONS of tech opportunities outside of New York City. Almost everybody who does tech related stuff here in NYC is here because they want to be.

In fact, outside of finance, there's a lot more tech stuff going up in Boston, down in DC, then there's RTP in N. Carolina, and places like Austin, TX. Many of these places have much lower cost of living options than Manhattan, though perhaps none are as cheap as really living out in the middle of bumfuck.

The more of you haters leave, the more of NYC for me to enjoy.

Also - your complaints illustrate that you aren't a true New Yorker. If you were, you'd know that we barely have any bums and we have gorgeous subways compared to the way things were 15 or 20 years ago. And the air isn't so terrible outside of midtown - I go for a stroll in Central Park several times a week, and it's a truly beautiful place with plenty of fresh air. No, not the same as going out into the middle of nowhere, but I try to get out of the city for real countryside as often as possible anyway.

Good For America! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802356)

Hurray! As part of the Bush initiative to grow the job market in America, skilled, college educated professionals can now make as much money as their counterparts in third-world countries!

America - I love this place!

Re:Good For America! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802498)

Maybe these are the "better jobs" that he was talking about having laid off factory workers do. Great... so what am I (with a masters in CS) going to go to community college to learn how to do?

Re:Good For America! (1)

tazan (652775) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802534)

Seeing as how both major parties are for free trade and the equalization of the standard of living in all counties I don't see how you can blame this on Bush.

any time (1)

chris_morgan47 (810629) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802357)

i'd gladly sell my expensive detroit suburb house and move to west virginia for this. in a minute.

Re:any time (1)

Metzli (184903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802382)

Absolutely. I was born-and-raised in the rural Midwest and the only reason I'm not there now is because there aren't too many Unix Sysadmin jobs up there.

Re:any time (5, Insightful)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802428)

There are probably more people like you out there than most people would think. If this kind of thing took off, it would provide a decent job market for people like you and me who want to remain in rural areas. It's not the kind of life for everyone (but don't tell those people too much - I don't want it to get crowded).

Like you, I am from the rural midwest, but was blessed with the opportunity to move back to my hometown and run a good sized network.

Re:any time (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802438)

Oh, come on! Rural is one thing, but West Virginia?!

Re:any time (0, Flamebait)

kesler (576674) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802449)

Unless you're married to your sister, you won't be welcome in Virginia.

Re:any time (1)

boodaman (791877) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802555)

Ditto!! If I could have a couple dozen acres and a decent house within 10-15 minutes drive of my job, I'd sell my current place and move in a heartbeat.

Well, as long as they speak English (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802358)

...so I can understand them, I'm all for it.

Re:Well, as long as they speak English (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802486)

We's speakz good English out heyre in da sticks. Ya'll shuld come on out and sit fer a spel.

Since I'm from a small backwoods town I can make jokes like this... the rest of you are insensitive clods.

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (3, Interesting)

rackhamh (217889) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802359)

Somewhat appropriate for an article about rural America.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (1)

Metzli (184903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802415)

You're right, nothing to see, unless you're interested in fresh air, starry nights, and that absolute quiet that exists out in the prairie. Crap, now I'm making myself homesick....

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (0, Redundant)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802445)



Dey took ar jobs!!

Rural America? (0, Flamebait)

Metapsyborg (754855) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802360)

Land of the Republicans!

Re:Rural America? (1, Troll)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802456)

No, land of the fundamentalist Christians. They all used to be Democrats!

Oh great (5, Funny)

prostoalex (308614) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802363)

I can stop worrying about my job going to India and start worrying about my job going to Indiana.

Re:Oh great (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802432)

The difference? You can follow your job to Indiana. Even better is that rural areas have lower costs of living, thus making $50,000/yr a very good wage to have.

Honestly, this isn't anything new. In Wisconsin, we had several big companies move (American Family Insurance, Lands End, etc.) because they could run their operations far cheaper while still being within driving distance of Chicago. It's really a win-win situation for everyone.

Re:Oh great (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802485)

Hey, at least it's easier to follow your job there. In my opinion, this is a wonderful alternative.

Re: minds me of a joke (1)

RPI Geek (640282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802519)

After getting nailed by a Daisy Cutter, Osama made his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington. "How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face.

Patrick Henry comes up from behind. "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose.

James Madison comes up next, and says "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee.

Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other people who have the same love for liberty and America.

As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged.

As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams "This is not what I was promised!"

An angel replies "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you, idiot. What did you think I said?"

Re:Oh great (1)

timts (766509) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802549)

I was in iowa, I love that place!!! comparing to iowa, indiana is not suburb...

Wahoo! (5, Funny)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802364)

South Dakota gladly welcomes it's new in-sourcing overlords!

One hopes this expands my job prospects here... not that it matters too much, I love my job.

Re:Wahoo! (1)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802398)

Citibank, EROS, Daktronics, Polaris, what more do you want?

Re:Wahoo! (-1, Flamebait)

Rahga (13479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802510)

South Dakota gave me want on November 2nd.

Nothing against Liberals and Democrats, just a certain minority leader.

Rural America (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802368)

For those of you unfamiliar with America's urban population densities, here's a map [uglychart.com] of the areas they are discussing. The rural areas are marked in Green and labeled "Jesusland".

WHAT? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802370)

WHAT!!!!!!!! WHERE IS MY OSX Story! I WANT MY OS X STORY!

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Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (3, Funny)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802373)

it will be good news for American techies-at least the ones in rural communities and those willing to move there

But will they be able to survive without pizza deliveries?

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (1)

Metzli (184903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802469)

Actually, the delivery guys will drive out farther than you think. Ten miles isn't that unusual and, unlike the city, it only take about 10 minutes to traverse that distance.

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (1)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802518)

Oh, I was thinking about places like Condon or Fossil Oregon- where the nearest pizza delivery joint is 50 miles away in The Dalles- and yet they're theoretically a good candidate for exactly this type of revolution because they've got wind farms to provide electricity REAL local, and Oregon Department of Transportation has teamed up with Verizon to get fiber to every cattle ranch....

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (1)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802475)

"If you build it, they will come."

That wasn't baseball players - that was the pizza delivery guys they were talking about.

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (4, Funny)

CommanderData (782739) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802476)

But will they be able to survive without pizza deliveries?

No, they will not. But of course that means there will be even more rural jobs, as thousands of pizza delivery people migrate from NYC to service the IT boomtowns of the south :)

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (1)

mbrinkm (699240) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802501)

What makes you think pizza doesn't get delivered in rural America?

I live in a town of ~400 people - no less than 5 different pizza places deliver to me.

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (5, Funny)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802509)

120 miles to Starbucks, 210 miles to Frys. Your neighbor in the cubicle next door keeps grousing about Sorgum Prices (whatever that is) and their dating prospects at the next Grange dance. The big local news is the John Deere dealership is expanding, and Billy Joe Bob's sister (yeah the one with THOSE teeth) is makin moon eyes at you when she visits at lunch. Makes me want to point my pickup truck towards Cupertino and GET OUT OF THERE!

Re:Modern Techies Cut Off From Cycle Of Life (4, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802522)

Get over it. Rural is not all that rural anymore. Most places will have pizza delivery, Chinese food, and Walmart. A large number of farmers are on line, have satellite TV and have been using GPS for years. What tends to be lacking is in some areas broadband and no you will not have 85 pizza places to choose from. I for one would love to move to a small rural town with clean air, not crowds, and home prices that are only in the 5 figure range.

1st is me! :) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802376)

:) hehehehe.... maybe not then, this stupid fuckin thing acting up!

Inconvenience factor (5, Insightful)

StateOfTheUnion (762194) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802377)

Rural Sourcing's fees are about the same as the overall cost of using an Indian outsourcer, she said--if you consider factors such as communication costs, travel expenses and inconvenience.

What I'd like to know is how much money the "inconvenience" factor counts for . . . Sounds like a catch-all category for costs that is used to magiacally make rural sourcing as cheap as outsourcing to India.

Re:Inconvenience factor (2, Interesting)

Kogase (811902) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802450)

Then there's the added PR benefit of hiring Americans rather than Indians. Of course, it still doesn't help Americans who are worth a damn, but it's all about the PR...

Re:Inconvenience factor (5, Informative)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802454)

It's referred to as a "soft cost". They can be very difficult to quantify, so, yes, there is probably some fudging of the number to make it work. However, the "inconvenience factor" as well as cultural differences are two of the items you will see on almost every outsourcing pros & cons list.

WHITE IS RIGHT! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802381)

The end of the article:

If White is right, it will be good news for American techies-at least the ones in rural communities and those willing to move there.

If White is right? Interesting choice of words for an article about rural sourcing vs india. ;)

Re:WHITE IS RIGHT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802400)

This is why capitalization matters. Since White is capitalized, we can clearly see that they are speaking of a specific person.

Re:WHITE IS RIGHT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802503)

It's still funny you nitpicking homo

Just what we need... (4, Insightful)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802383)

Yet another language barrier to surmount.

At least the guys in Mumbai are *trying* to enunciate.

(I grew up somewhere that has a native accent thicker than Brooklyn's, and currently live in North Carolina, so I have a legal right to make these jokes)

Re:Just what we need... (1)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802507)

Perhaps they were talking about midwest rural - you know, the kind of people that actually can be understood by most Americans.

Are they the "smartest" place to outsource? (3, Interesting)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802394)

Not according to This. [mc1soft.com] It appears the 'rural' states aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

this post intended to be humerous and or ironic. please treat as such.

It's a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802433)

It's a well known hoax [4mg.com] that started in 2000 with Gore and that was updated in 2004 with Kerry's name. People seem to believe anything they see on the internet.

Re:It's a hoax (1)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802491)

*ahem* - "this post intended to be humerous and or ironic. please treat as such." - Please see link in sig.

Re:Are they the "smartest" place to outsource? (1)

kesler (576674) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802505)

Are you going to disparage the red states?
I say mod parent up..

Re:Are they the "smartest" place to outsource? (1)

Metzli (184903) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802564)

That graph reminds me of the motto when I live in Arkansas, "Thank God for Mississippi."

Home sweet home! (1)

graveyardduckx (735761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802404)

So there is hope for South Carolina!

Re:Home sweet home! (1)

meabolex (788745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802504)

*Looks around*

Where?

Dont see how this would work... (3, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802410)

From the prices I've seen listed, it would be illigal to employ Americans (or even Amerucuns) for anything even close to the same amount.

Hacking inthe heartland (4, Interesting)

amightywind (691887) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802411)

I landed in the Kansas City area after the bubble burst in Boston. Living costs are quite modest here, and it is a pleasant place to live. The hacking is the same. That does not stop my company from outsourcing to India though. Slavery is very attractive to business.

What's better? (1)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802413)

Tech support that doesn't speak English or tech support that doesn't speak English?

Ye'll get a complimentary bottle of genuine moonshine with that new LCD monitor if ye buy it today.

Re:What's better? (3, Funny)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802532)

I believe you mean "tech support what don't speak English."

manuel castells arguably predicted this (5, Interesting)

mqx (792882) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802418)


In his trilogy on "the information age", manuel castells looked at the evolving and future structure of current society. One of his suggestions, which I remember clearly, is to forget looking at first, second and third world as being rigidly defined around countries (i.e. the idea that some are "first", others are "second", etc).

He suggests that the world is really becoming a patchwork of first, second and third - so that even so called advanced countries (on average) have third world areas, and even third world countries have first world areas. When you look at it this way, then it shouldn't be surprising about "outsourcing" from advanced economic zones (e.g. SF) to third world zones (e.g. places in the deep south).

Either way, I found this conceptual idea of his to be a very powerful one.

Funny, that... (4, Interesting)

Kronovohr (145646) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802420)

While in a manner of speaking I'm all for this, it's already been done to death.

Throughout the last 100-someodd years, the rest of the US has looked to the South as "cheap labor" -- most of the factories that've closed here paid just at or barely above minimum wage, with no option for any real pay raises, and offer conditions that no state in the North would accept. Perhaps this is just a return to that trend. I can only hope that the trend of severe employee abuse won't carry over.

Hope (1)

Talian (746379) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802424)

As a network/security engineer from Arkansas who had to move to get a job, this gives me hope. Not in the immediate, but its good to see things spread out, and some tech hit the rural south. Hopefully better things to come eventually.

Send em to Ohio (2, Funny)

randomErr (172078) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802429)

Send those jobs to Toledo. Our government is into massive deficit spending.

We need work!!!!!!!!!!

Joy (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802448)

So now techies are going to start learning to speak redneck instead of hindi?

Anyway, I think this is better than having things outsourced to India. It is governed under American law so I feel more comfortable with them having sensitive data than someone in India, they are fluent in English (well, thats debatable) and American customs and nuances, and keeping those jobs on this side of the pond helps our economy.

English (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802455)

But I live in England you insensitive clod!

Seriously, there will always be less advanced areas of any country where folks will work for less than in the big cities.
The worst part about all this outsourcing, especially for certain things, is that the new lower paid employees do not have the local knowledge required to handle clients. Sure, some things can be handled extremely well, but theres a great swath of things that simply don't work.

I'm not talking specifically about the language barrier, though that obviously is a part of it, I'm talking about people not understanding basic country specific details.

New call-center hold music. (3, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802461)

Some folks'lll never eat a skunk
But then again, some folks'll
Like Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel

Most folks'll never lose a toe
But then again, some folks'll
Like Cletus, the slack-jawed yokel

The fallacy of "sending jobs overseas" (1)

Toby The Economist (811138) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802471)

"...as sending jobs to India."

*smacks head against wall*

Sure. Let's keep ALL work in the US - I mean, if outsourcing IT work is bad, why is outsourcing say banana production good? surely if outsourcing IT work is wrong because "it sends jobs overseas" then ALL work which does this is wrong?

So all the jobs which are more cheaply done overseas would then be done more expensively in the US (and they would be more expensive, because they're *already* done in the cheapest and most efficient locations, which means, when appropriate, overseas), and so everything they make costs more, which means we all have less real wealth, since bananas now cost say a dollar a piece, which means there is, in the larger picture, less money to invest in making more money in the future, so the annual growth rate is lowered, and so we all find our year-in year-out living standards rising more slowly than they otherwise would, and there are that many fewer jobs pretty much everywhere in the economy, since it's growing more slowly, because if you make one sector cost more, all the sectors which depend on it cost more, and all the sectors depending on them cost more, and so on and so on.

But hey, we've got to protect ourselves, right? and that means keeping jobs at home.

--
Toby

TCO (1)

neomagi (576884) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802473)

a lot of small companies have been doing this for a long time. having lived in the midwest, california and most places in between, i tend to find that both the work ethic and quality of performance is higher in rural areas. of course there are always exception to this rule, such as IT. if you think about it, what else are folks in the midwest going to do during the summer, but go to work. no reason to call in sick to go hang out at the beech or go skiing.

Farmsourcing (1)

mszeto (133525) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802477)

I just saw a lecture about outsourcing in one of my grad courses, and the guest lecturer mentioned farmsourcing as a trend that was thought to be as cost effective as sending it overseas.

Maybe they'll come up with a term for sending your company to Canada too! Northsourcing?

Definite Selling Points (5, Interesting)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802479)

I've sold my company's services simply by pointing out that my rates (in Indiana) are much cheaper than similar firms in New York, California, or even nearby Chicago.

You want to pay $150+ an hour for a Chicago guy to do the same thing that we'll do for $75 an hour?

This can bite you when they find another firm offering $50/hour. At some point, it's just not cost effective to run a business that cheap... not to mention that you'll have a harder time finding qualified employees to work for so little.

If I could make the salary of a comparable California worker, but live in Indiana, I'd be doing very well.

decentralized outsourcing (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802480)

I'd like to see more businesses supporting work-from-home.

Things like, call centers, could easily be distributed. VPN (or Internet)-based helpdesk app for support, paid per call handled. While you're "logged in", calls to the company PBX line for helpdesk are forwarded to a random selection of your phone numbers.

With people being able to do their jobs with lower overhead (transportation costs, etc.) wages can be lower, meaning (1) more profit for corporation and (2) because less of the wage is tied up in overhead, higher useable income for the worker, despite having a lower absolute wage.

It has already been done. (1)

fsandford (572423) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802487)

Me thinks Wal-Mart has already capitalized on this theory.

Creative (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802489)

Creative Labs, while they have outsourced overseas their development labs, their tech support is in a tiny town called Stillwater, Oklahoma. They pay their employees only slightly above minimum wage. So, rural outsourcing probably saved them quite a bit of money.

Ob Troll (4, Funny)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802492)

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to do this with that ballot-counting contract...

I keed!

Wow (2, Funny)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802493)

An actual attempt to keep jobs in America. Oh shit, chest pain...!!

&$#%^% NO CARRIER

Could be a good idea (2, Funny)

Trailer Trash (60756) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802496)

I've considered opening a call center in my hometown in Indiana on a number of occassions. It just makes more sense than sending the jobs to India.

I done did it to myself (1)

g0hare (565322) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802508)

I live in a good-size college town with major growing pains (traffic), I commute OUT of it into the sticks every day. It's the same 45 minutes on the road, but instead of being stuck in a traffic jam 45 minutes to go 8 miles, I drive nonstop on two-lane highways through farm country. I get great bennies and flex, I'm home to see my kids, although the pay isn't great it's been worth it so far.

Something tells me... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802525)

They must have rural sourced that website, with its obviously dithered gifs, imagemaps, and lame stock photography.

Oh great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10802539)

This is just something else for the Liberals to complain about.

"You can't outsource to rural areas!! What about the poor urban areas that need the money."

I can see it already...

Another two cents... (2, Funny)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802542)

What would Brian Boitano do?

Old news... (1)

mikeylebeau (68519) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802545)

Hasn't this been done for a long time? I used to work for PayPal and they had the majority of their non-technical work done in Omaha.

Why not? (5, Insightful)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10802554)

And for all y'all "Oh, but I could never live in rural America. It's so boring! There's nothing to do! No culture out there..." types.

Silicon Valley or Silicon Alley: Get paid $80K, pay 28% federal tax plus 9-10% state/city tax. House costs $500K-$1M.

East Buttfuck, Wyoming: Get paid $50K. Pay 25% federal tax plus 0.0% state tax. House costs $60K-$100K.

If you've saved enough money for a down payment in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, you can buy a house for cash in rural America. And if you've been there long enough that you actually own your house in the People's Republic of Kalifornia, you can sell it, buy a house and a Ferrari, and have change left over for a fucking Porsche in rural America. That's right.

Wanna visit the opera? Hop in the Ferrari on Friday after work, tear up the asphalt (long live long straight highways featuring speed limits defined only by the words "reasonable and prudent" -- it's like the American Autobahn!), party your ass off all weekend, and come home on Sunday.

One look at the horrible things he's done to a Ferrari should make any self-respecting geek aspire to make John Romero our bitch. The best part about rural America isn't that a middle-class IT geek can enjoy such a lifestyle -- it's that he or she can pay for it on the interest and tax savings alone.

Who is John Galt? When you leave a high-tax state for rural America, you are.

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