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Meet Millionaire Spammer Jeremy Jaynes

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the dirty-money dept.

Spam 379

prostoalex writes "Associated Press profiles Jeremy Jaynes, charged with sending out unsolicited e-mail messages, who just got a 9-year jail term recommendation from the state jury. With the help of 16 'high-speed' lines (Associated Press probably meant T1s) Jaynes would send out 10 million e-mails a day. His best month in terms of gross income netted him $750,000. Acccording to the article, 'In a typical month, prosecutors said during the trial, Jaynes might receive 10,000 to 17,000 credit card orders, thus making money on perhaps only one of every 30,000 e-mails he sent out. But he earned $40 a pop, and the undertaking was so vast that Jaynes could still pull in $400,000 to $750,000 a month, while spending perhaps $50,000 on bandwidth and other overhead, McGuire said. "When you're marketing to the world, there are enough idiots out there" who will be suckered in, McGuire said in an interview.'"

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There's one spammer born every second, too (5, Interesting)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815294)

So with this kind of high-profile "financial report", are we going to see more spammers? Seriously speaking, my spam count hasn't dropped a bit since the elimination of these 10 million spams a day. It's like that terrorism saying: If you killed Bin Laden, two more will come out to replace him.

This Jeremy is reportedly earning $400,000 to $750,000 a month, while spending perhaps $50,000 on bandwidth and other overhead.

Imagine if you can work 1 year without getting caught, and wisely transfered your incomes to safe place, you are basically earning $1 million a year by sitting in the prison doing some workouts, or even get a law degree specialised in anti-spam. And you wonder why there are more spams everyday?

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (5, Insightful)

spuzzzzzzz (807185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815346)

The significance of this case is that it applies a fairly harsh penalty for spamming. Of course it won't eliminate spam, but it will probably (hopefully) make spammers more aware of the consequences.

Imagine if you can work 1 year without getting caught

Imagine if you could work your whole life without getting caught. Because that was the situation before this verdict. Of course there are still strong financial incentives to spam, but with verdicts like this one, the incentives become weaker.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (5, Informative)

Zathras26 (763537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815380)

It doesn't apply a "fairly harsh penalty for spamming"; it applies a fairly harsh penalty for fraud. Had he been selling a legitimate product, his prison sentence would have been much shorter if he even received one at all.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (1)

spuzzzzzzz (807185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815547)

True, but fraud is how he (and most spammers) made money. The precedent is about tracking and prosecuting spammers for fraud. Had he been selling a legitimate product, he wouldn't be quite so rich.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (3, Informative)

Zathras26 (763537) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815620)

I know that, but that wasn't my point. My point was that the sentence he received wasn't for spamming per se; it was for fraud that just happened to be committed thru spam. Not the same thing.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (2, Insightful)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815385)

"The significance of this case is that it applies a fairly harsh penalty for spamming."

It was mainly due to the fact that the scum was peddling fraudulent "products". He conned a shitload of people with his MMF schemes and other frauds.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815641)

Doesn't work for drug dealers, won't work for spammers. The lure of making big bucks outweighs the threat of jail. and spammers are much harder to catch and prosecute.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (1)

Darth McBride (749942) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815384)

I think I have some offers for law degree's in my inbox. So he has 8 years, 11 months, 30 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds left to plan out.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (1)

JimBean (610952) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815411)

I don't know if I would want to go to a state prision for nine years (maybe less) for a couple of million dollars. I mean, think of all the unsolicited advances one is bound to receive in the shower or other areas from guys doing multiple life sentences for murder. If it were a federal crime, however, life in prison would probably be a bit easier (from what I've heard, federal prisons are better run). I guess everyone has a different threshold of pain.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (3, Interesting)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815414)

You're so right it's scary. I'm reading this thinking, if I were given a million dollars a year maybe I wouldn't hate spam so much.

People go to jail for much less money... and since there are loopholes to be found and exploited, spamming is an attractive business.

Corporations contract out for spyware programs. Political groups contract out for viruses. If the money is there, it will be a temptation. You can't end if forever, but you can make it harder to do and much riskier.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (4, Interesting)

DJ Kveldulv (829139) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815417)

Ive seen a slight drop in spam over the last 6 months. Making it illegal for merchants/affiliate programs to knowingly accept spammer's traffic would cut it down even more IMO. The Can-Spam regulations have meant few Porn Affiliate programs will take any and all spam traffic they can get. Most now require CanSpam compliance.... still, hardcore spammers are still going to spam hard, laws or no laws.

Depends (5, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815433)

If enough of them start going to jail, it'll probably help. Also as spam filters get better, profits will go down. The spam system we used to have was maybe 50% efficient, meaning about half the spam it recieved, it failed to filter. The new one (Barracuda) is probably 90-95% efficient. Means where a spammer had to send an average of 2 messages before to get through, now they have to send 10-20. It also shuts down on them much quicker so they can't hit the whole domain as easy.

Now there's been stories on /. about new spam filtering technologies in the works that are 99.9% or better (some saying 99.999%). If stuff like that hgets popular, it'll be a real bitch. Means you'd have to send between 1,000-1,000,000 e-mails on average to get through.

It's not a winnable war as in someday all spam will suddenly stop and no one will ever try again, but it's winnable in that between lawsuits, jail terms, and better filters we can make it a much less attractive bussiness.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (2, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815453)

Well, from my personal observation, while there has been no decrease in spam, I have been noticing a diversification in the scams they are selling. Spammers are moving away from mortgages, get rich quick schemes, and pills(though they still are invested heavily in that area) to areas previously dominated by real life grifters-fake merchandise(esp. Rolex watches), "free" tvs, ipods, etc, and it also seems prostitution.
Sorry thing is, the same people will probably fall for these as fell for this guy's scam.

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815579)

> "...earning $1 million a year by sitting in the prison doing some workouts..."

Don't you mean Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass Prision? I wouldn't want to do that kind of "workouts"! :-)

Re:There's one spammer born every second, too (1)

MrDickey (653242) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815613)

The problem is in part that it is such a lucrative market. What we need to do is send a message to all the idiots actually reading this crap out there and tell them not to respond. What would the war on drugs be if we didn't tell people not to use them?

firstpost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815295)

first post

Re:firstpost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815376)

wrong...

Human beings are dumb (0, Troll)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815308)

"When you're marketing to the world, there are enough idiots out there."

And PT Barnum's top competitor said, "There's a sucker born every minute."

I've pretty much lost hope for the species.

Re:Human beings are dumb (1)

Bin_jammin (684517) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815442)

And PT Barnum's top competitor said, "There's a sucker born every minute." no, he didn't http://www.historybuff.com/library/refbarnum.html/ [historybuff.com]

Re:Human beings are dumb (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815546)

You sir, are an idiot. The first paragraph of your link backs up what he posted.

Re:Human beings are dumb (1)

longbot (789962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815484)

It took you this long?

Re:Human beings are dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815570)

Gee, I thought this was "Insightful". I guess the mods do not like being called dumb for some reason. Now they can go back to their clicky-clicky thing and just ignore the fact that they are dumb.

Re:Human beings are dumb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815674)

And this is the reason why democracy will always be a poor system of government.

Who's counting? (2, Insightful)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815309)

I've actually gotten more spam since this winner was arrest. And anyways, he didn't do too bad money-wise, $750k a month is better than I think 99.9% of this entire world's population. And to think... only 9 years in jail. I'd do it too. Get out of jail at age 29, still young enough to marry, have kids... and I'd be able to drive a Porsche. Or 3.

Re:Who's counting? (4, Interesting)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815387)

$750k a month is better than I think 99.9% of this entire world's population. And to think... only 9 years in jail.

You're the second person in this thread who expresses this point of view. Interesting (and sad) society we live in were it's deemed an acceptable option to serve time in jail as a paid job...

Personally, I'd rather starve in the street than go one minute in jail. I couldn't bear the shame...

Re:Who's counting? (5, Insightful)

G-funk (22712) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815456)

Personally, I'd rather starve in the street than go one minute in jail. I couldn't bear the shame

Spoken like somebody who's never starved on the street.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

sparkhead (589134) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815516)

Personally, I'd rather starve in the street than go one minute in jail. I couldn't bear the shame...

What shame? The shame of being wealthy for the remainder of your life without having to work again? While any prison isn't a cakewalk, he's not going to Rikers.

The jail time isn't the issue for him, as he'll only serve about 3 years anyway even if he gets 9. What he has to be concerned about is financial lawsuits. The state should be able to fine him huge amounts for what he's done, to the point of driving him to bankruptcy. Unfortunately in many states they're not allowed to take away your primary residence, so he can still be worth quite a bit. And he most likely has money stashed away somewhere.

Crime does in fact, pay. Even sometimes when you get caught.

Re:Who's counting? (2, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815537)

What shame? The shame of being wealthy for the remainder of your life without having to work again?

You illustrate my point very well, thank you.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815539)

Ok 3 years in jail is still quite a long time. That is unless you share to same billion-dollar-corporate jail like those Enron guys. In that case you'd be punished with golf courses and lobsters for breakfast every day.

Re:Who's counting? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815681)

Unfortunately in many states they're not allowed to take away your primary residence, so he can still be worth quite a bit.

That shelter provision only applies to civil bankruptcy. If we're talking about restitution for criminal activty, they can just about take the shirt off his back.

-jcr

Re:Who's counting? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815517)

You sound like you never starved before on the street, rethink what you just said. Shame is better then dieing in a cold lonely alley hungry. Do you believe going to jail is shameful? Or is the the system broken? 65% of all inmates are drug related, not even violent, so you think they deserve to be in there cause the government wants you to do their drugs?

Re:Who's counting? (0, Troll)

mankey wanker (673345) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815660)

Our nation's leader is a criminal: he was awol from the national guard, was a drug abuser and alcoholic, and is currently engaging in all manner of political corruption and corporate malfeasance. It breeds disrespect for the law at all levels of society. Everyone recognizes a thug when they see one.

I'd like to tell you being a wealthy thug makes Bush less attractive to people, but the truth is that people are attracted to power for all kinds of sadly genetic reasons. I know staunchly liberal women that have suggested to me that they think it might be fun to "party" with the prez. That freaks me out quite a bit - but I do understand the genetic attraction to power even so.

Bill Gates stole most of Windows functionality from others. Stole it outright, or reversed it. He's a slightly slippery case because some of the things he pilfered were not well protected in law when he actually stole them - but that doesn't change the ethical considerations at all. Most people would have behaved differently - in fact, the relative peace we enjoy in our society is predicated on the fact that most people behave differently. But anyway, Gate's is filthy rich and was recently knighted for his "service" to the queen. The downside please...?

You don't have to be a genius to realize that might makes right in our world. Might is usually some reflection of money. And to many, might is wildly attractive.

While ghetto kids ride beemers thanks to drug money, and while riding beemers equals getting the bitches, and while nailing bitches remains a favorite activity for the young and hormone-crazed - laws don't mean dick, and money/power means everything.

Spammers are just the geek version of the same equation.

Re:Who's counting? (2)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815697)

Hey there is also great shame of being poor and starving.

Especially if you have a wife and kids to feed.

How many ex-IT workers reading this agree? I feel shame going back to school at 27 and moving in with mom and dad again to pay the bills after companies decided not to hire Americans anymore for computer work.

Sure going to jail is bad but so is being abused by the consequences of capitalism.

I would never spam of course but if I had a kid and if my relationship with my gf became serious enough where she wanted to marry me then hell, I would!

Re:Who's counting? (1, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815432)

And to think... only 9 years in jail. I'd do it too. Get out of jail at age 29, still young enough to marry, have kids

... and just think how handy all that ass raping experience will be on your honeymoon.

You've got mail! (4, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815311)

who just got a 9-year jail term recommendation from the state jury

9 years in the slammer getting unsolicited gifts from Bubba? Wow! I bet at least one of the jurors purchased a penis enlarger and, let's say, wasn't totally satisfied with the results...

Re:You've got mail! (1)

dauthur (828910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815334)

I bet at least one of the jurors purchased a penis enlarger and, let's say, wasn't totally satisfied with the results...

Yeah, my free Ipod hasn't arrived in the mail, either... I'm pretty upset about that.

Re:You've got mail! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815358)

I bet at least one of the jurors purchased a penis enlarger and, let's say, wasn't totally satisfied with the results...

While Jeremy would be fortunate to be bunked with a bubba who had less than spectacular results from an enlarger let us hope and pray that he is instead bunked with a bubba who had such an unprecedented success from a combination of pills, cremes, pumps that he is now referred to as Donkey Man.

Re:You've got mail! (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815395)

I'm referred to as that anyway... ;)

Enough boasting. I think that all spammers should be deliberately placed with gay men who have had rare successes with penis enlarging kit, are in need of a mortgage, want to lose weight and inexplicably find classic literature an intriguing message subject. Oh, and have been made horny from all those damn pr0n emails.

With a punishment like *that*, who's gonna offend?

Re:You've got mail! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815577)

Ah yes, Slashdot, the site that automatically mods rape jokes +5 funny.

FYI, if you don't RTFA (5, Informative)

seizer (16950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815317)

The "McGuire" quoted here is the Attorney General, not the spammer. He's the one who states that he thinks people are idiots, not the spammer.

Mind you, the spammer will know that people are idiots :-)

my wish...for Christmas (1)

Mikeybo (801849) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815603)

Is that most of the inmates had bought from his spams viagra and penis enlarger.

Re:my wish...for Christmas (1)

Mikeybo (801849) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815670)

oops, didn't replied at the right place :(

C.R.E.A.M (3, Insightful)

madsenj37 (612413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815327)

This article will just encourage people to make a living spamming with that much potential money.

Re:C.R.E.A.M (1)

evilmousse (798341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815479)


mods: +1 wu-tang

I wish ... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815344)

I wish I could pull in between $30,000 and $750,000 per month while keeping my spending below $50,000 (per month).

Re:I wish ... (4, Funny)

Darth_Burrito (227272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815688)

I wish I could pull in between $30,000 and $750,000 per month while keeping my spending below $50,000 (per month).

I think I can help you out. Send me $50,000 every month and I will send you $30,000 back.

ooh (1)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815345)

for those of us that are greedy, this seems like an attractive option, with the obvious exception of the jail term.

whatever you do, always make sure you make spamming attractive to those of us who are short on money. cripes.

Shit, tomorrow's inbox... (4, Funny)

SnapShot (171582) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815739)

EARN $300,000 to $750,000 PER MONTH working from the PRIVACY of your own HOME!!!!
JEREMY JAMES did IT, SO CAN YOU!!!!!!!
THIS is NOT a SCAM, It REALLY works!!!!!
FOR MORE information MAIL TO make_millions.com

Viagra (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815347)

I know where he can get some cheap viagra whilst he's in prison being Bubba's bitch.

It makes no difference. (-1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815351)

I still get spam. In fact, 99.5% of my mail is Spam. and 99.63% is accurately filtered out. I only see maybe one or two spams a month, so surely sending me spam has no benefit whatsoever?

Honestly, this is ridiculous. Teach people to properly filter and not to respond, and suddenly there's no more market.

End of spammers.

Re:It makes no difference. (2, Interesting)

JPM NICK (660664) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815407)

What do you use to filter out all this spam? I agree that we should teach people how to filter, so if you do not mind, please share. or anyone else for that matter. and what if you have a small buisness with say 15 people, but no exchnage box, just a small stand alone mail server. what do yuo suggest then?

Re:It makes no difference. (1)

zerdood (824300) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815489)

Get Mozilla Thunderbird.
www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird

Re:It makes no difference. (2, Informative)

Jjeff1 (636051) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815509)

I suggest ASSP [sourceforge.net] .
I've been using it for months for various customers in production networks. Free, written in Perl and runs on *nix or Windows. Can integrate with just about any mail server. I use it with Exchange. It also uses clamAV to do some basic virus filtering.

Re:It makes no difference. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815447)

And nobody thought of this before? Amazing! And so simple! Hello everybody: filter your mail and don't respond! No more spam!

Not everyon has good filtering (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815567)

Some ISPs don't have any at all, and most end users aren't savvy enough to set it up themselves. Even those that do, it's not always that good. Before our current spam solution, our program was only maybe 50% accurate. It helped but not all that much. Even our new one is only 90-95% accurate, and we are haivng some problems because it filters some legit mailing lists.

As for not responding, well there are a lot of suckers out there. Not much you can do about that.

Re:It makes no difference. (2, Insightful)

Headcase88 (828620) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815571)

Remember, though, lots of people aren't smart enough to set up good filters or even to ignore spam. (most people use IE).

Re:It makes no difference. (4, Insightful)

nikclev (590173) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815653)

So you're telling me that you think you could teach the same poeple that would actually buy a P3N|S P(_)MP how to properly set up a good email filter? Tell you what.. you try that, I'll start up a spamming business, we'll see who is succesfull. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to be realistic.

Re:It makes no difference. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815719)

Teach people to properly filter and not to respond

Is this supposed to be funny?

AOL addresses (4, Funny)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815366)

Prosecutors don't know how he got the lists, though McGuire said the AOL names matched a list of 92 million addresses an AOL software engineer has been charged with stealing. However Jaynes got them, they were particularly valuable because AOL customers and eBay users by their very nature have already shown a willingness to engage in e-commerce.

Or particularly valuable because AOL users are, well, AOL users?

Some additional details... (5, Informative)

grnchile (305671) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815370)

Some additional details, including a charming picture, are available in his hometown paper:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1828341p-81 41513c.html [newsobserver.com]

Yes - they were T1 lines.

Re:Some additional details... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815472)

I think he used to beat me up in highschool :(

Re:Some additional details... (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815678)

He could definitely use a makeover. Either in Photoshop or Bubba Eye for the Spammer Guy.

Re:Some additional details... (1)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815736)

There's a *much* better picture [cnn.com] on CNN's article - not so much a smart black suit as a natty orange one. Better get used to those threads Bubba, or is that your new best friend's name? I forget... :)

FUCK THIS SHIT (1)

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How does this work? (1)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815374)

When someone actually pays for the products or services, do they not receive them or are the products received not as described?

Re:How does this work? (4, Informative)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815451)

When someone actually pays for the products or services, do they not receive them or are the products received not as described?

The work-at-home 'offers' are merely "Here is a list of companies. Write to them and see if they'll hire you to work at home"

or stuffing envelopes. What you really end up doing is stuffing envelopes with "Here is how to make money stuffing envelopes. Please send $19.95"

Technically, what you've gotten is what you ordered. But what you ordered was not-quite-legal.

Peoply who respond to spam... (1, Insightful)

zerdood (824300) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815398)

Don't deserve to keep their money. This guy should be commended for teaching the idiots of the world a valuable lesson. I'm sure he did all this in the name of public service.

Some quick math: (5, Interesting)

sssmashy (612587) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815403)

$40 per order

1 order per every 30,000 spam

est. $24,000,000 net worth = 600,000 orders = 18,000,000,000 spams

9 years jail time = 283,824,000 seconds

So the ratio is 63.4 spam messages per second of prison time

Re:Some quick math: (1)

Incadenza (560402) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815483)

So the ratio is 63.4 spam messages per second of prison time

And with hashcash we can easily turn that around to 63.4 seconds of prison time per spam message.

Sounds fair to me (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815495)

All those spammers that argue that spam is no big deal and no huge inconvinenece. We agree, so the amount of jail time for each on is trivial, fractions of a second for a spam. It just adds up :)

(Yes I know that's not how the sentence was arrived at).

what about the $? (2, Interesting)

evilmousse (798341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815425)


so..

will he still be a millionaire when he gets out of jail?

is he serving his sentence in min-sec alongside martha stewart?

maybe i should re-think my long-term investments, I could do 9 min-sec years for a few mil.

Re:what about the even-more $? (1)

evilmousse (798341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815507)


hmm, maybe use my time there to write a book net a few more mil.

Re:what about the $? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815564)

Put the money into an off-shore account, why not?

someone needs to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815443)

rewrite "Inferno." Dante should have left an especially nasty punishment for guys like this.

I'm a vegetarian, (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815444)

I haven't had any problem with spam for years.

All that money (2, Funny)

cloudkj (685320) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815446)

Well with 9 years in prison, all that money will probably be useful in bribing prison guards to protect him from some old-fashioned prison treatment :D

Re:All that money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815725)

I wonder how many of the inmates at his prison bought penis stretchers and dick growers? Anyone calculated the number of inches of prison treatment he's gonna get per spam sent?

9 years in jail is too light... (3, Funny)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815470)

...but no one else seems to agree with me that convicted email spammers should be slowly tortured to death.

parasites (3, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815473)

Karl Rove, Bush's political controller, made his career in junk mail ("Direct Marketing"). He has had similar success, with better performance, fueled by a similar attitude towards his market: American voters. Think his "boss" will run a Justice Department intolerant of spammers like Jaynes? Or recruit from their ranks to move from victory to victory, at our expense?

Re:parasites (4, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815596)

Rove didn't send his junk mail with postage due.

-jcr

Re:parasites (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815673)

Yet another reason that old veteran faces competition from the young turks living the dream on the Internet. Although some would say the $10T debt that Rove has masterminded is the priciest stamp ever.

Think of the Trees (0)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815478)

While most will probably scoff at what I'm saying (mod me down, but read first if you don't mind), can you imagine the number of trees had this been a junk-mail business? Imagine the wasted trees that just go fluttering off on recycling day (assuming you even have one [!]). I for one don't mind a bit of SPAM (hell, it's good for a laugh) now and then since 90% of my correspondence goes through a fairly secure (twelve digit, randomly generated e-mail address).

$700,000 in one month??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815513)

Crap! I'm in the wrong line of work!

Penis enlargement (5, Funny)

Magickcat (768797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815522)

I bet he's now praying that none of his fellow inmates have purchased penis enlargement pills.

These People Are Not Evil (1, Insightful)

nate nice (672391) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815528)

Like you, I hate spam. I widh it never came my way, and thanx to some filters and careful eMail use, I don't have much of a problem with it. Understandably I don't use my eMail as much as some extreme power users I have met, so I can imagine I don't expose myself as others who have greater problems than me. So, although I agree these people can be rather annoying, I do not think they should be jailed as a criminal.

Perhaps monatary fines, like 40% of their income would be fair? This money could be put into national programs to make our internet faster and modernize as many facets as possible. This would benefit all people who use the internet, for obvious reasons.

If the spammers try and lie about their income, they would of course be tried criminaly, etc for all business malpractices.

My point is, we as a society could profit form these people. Lets face the fact, at least in America, advertising always finds its way into every media medium, and the Internet is no different. For better or worse, if we live in a consumerist society, as we do, we will be exposed to advertising. How else will they let us know what we want to buy?

eMail is not a right. The Internet is not a right. Why pay to jail these people. They haven't hurt anyone, and really are running an innovative business, as far as marketing is innovative. No matter what, a spammer taken off the Net today will be replaced by another yesterday. It's a battle you cannot win. The current solution is not creative or well considered. Let's tax it and invest it in ourselves.

They are lawbreakers, prosecute them (2, Insightful)

antispam_ben (591349) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815628)

I do not think they should be jailed as a criminal.

PLease read through the "Information about spam" llnks on this website, written at least eight years ago when spam was much less of a problem yet still as relevant today, and see you can still justify that statement:

http://spam.abuse.net/overview/

While that site also describes many peripheral issues involving content, the fact is, regardless of content, spam is theft of Internet services.

Lets face the fact, at least in America, advertising always finds its way into every media medium, and the Internet is no different.

That's what banner ads on websites are. People pay the website owners to put those ads on their sites. Spam is different.

Re:These People Are Not Evil (2)

freeweed (309734) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815644)

For better or worse, if we live in a consumerist society, as we do, we will be exposed to advertising. How else will they let us know what we want to buy?

Quite possibly, the most damning indictment of the human condition I've ever seen.

Re:These People Are Not Evil (1)

nate nice (672391) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815676)

Yeah, that last line there was supposed to be put in as:
<fesicious>How else will they let us know what we want to buy? </fesicious>

But it did not post as such due to the post parameteres I have set. SO, yes clearly that looks really bad as is, but it was intended as sarcasim.

Re:These People Are Not Evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815702)

Hopefully someone will mod this up so you can escape with your life... :)

You are mistaken. (3, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815658)

These people *are* evil. They steal vast quantities of money in very small increments.

My point is, we as a society could profit form these people.

Maybe by selling them for medical experimentation?

eMail is not a right. The Internet is not a right.

Email is one use of my property, which it is my right to control. Spamming is not a free-speech issue, it's a property rights issue.

They haven't hurt anyone,

Try telling any ISP that's had to clean up after them that spammers haven't hurt anyone.

Why pay to jail these people.

Because capital punishment for spamming probably can't get sufficient public support.

-jcr

Re:These People Are Not Evil (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815684)

Oh, that's a simply smashing idea!

"Sure, go ahead. Steal from thousands of server administrators and users, commit credit card fraud, and so forth. And if you get caught, charged, prosecuted AND convincted, we'll make you give back... uh, say, a little less than half of it. But you can keep the rest, and there's no jail time, so you can do it again immediately if you want.

Awesome deterent. You sure you hate spam? Because I think it's more likely that you're a spammer yourself with this idea. Either that, or just a moron.

Another one born every minute (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815554)

Jaynes might receive 10,000 to 17,000 credit card orders, thus making money on perhaps only one of every 30,000 e-mails he sent out.

We now have clinching proof that there exist at least 200,000 complete suckers in the world.

Re:Another one born every minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815600)

We now have clinching proof that there exist at least 200,000 complete suckers in the world.

A couple of weeks ago, we proved there's at least 59,000,000 complete suckers in the U.S...

god damnit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10815560)

I keep missing the bubbles!

Is it to late for me to change careers?

Next SPAM Msg (2, Funny)

Nichevo (712615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815618)

I can just see it now the next big SPAM message to be making the rounds: You too can be making $300,000 to $750,000 a month for only a few minutes a day - just buy this simple software that makes it all happen while you sleep. Be in quick and we will throw in a free bottle of viagra.

Mug Shot! (1)

Jrod5000 at RPI (229934) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815629)

http://www.mugshots.com/Criminal/Computer/Jeremy+J aynes.htm

looks like he's been eating too much _spam_ and could use some of those diet pills he keeps trying to get us to buy.

Nukem! (0)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815683)

Fry the bastard! I won't miss him or his trashy spam messages.

Humanity (4, Insightful)

payndz (589033) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815704)

Sometimes I wonder, 'Are there really still enough people out there greedy, naive and stupid enough to fall for spammers, phishers and 419ers and make them millionaires?

Then I think, 'Oh, wait. Human beings. Guh.' And I get depressed. Because I'm one of them, which makes me just as vulnerable to some new scam that has a bit more intelligence behind it...

How much is your freedom worth? (1)

3arwax (808691) | more than 9 years ago | (#10815735)

How much money would it some have to pay you to do 9 years in jail? Then how long would it be for you were willing to give all of the money back for your freedom? Only email provider based filters really work at stopping spam because people who use individual filters wouldn't buy stuff anyway.
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