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Already emerged. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817610)

Yup.!! Already emerged - nothing different.

Obligatory Gentoo Joke (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817612)

Damn... I'd just finished compiling 2004.2!

Re:Obligatory Gentoo Joke (5, Informative)

BlindSpy (772849) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817646)

these are only the versions of the live CD. Your actual Gentoo install has no version number because its always the latest. So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817732)


> So regardless if you used 2004.0 or 2004.3 to install - you ultimately have the same version after you've completely installed.

What about last time's switch to x.org ? Is there a reasonably easy to switch on an already installed system?

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817748)

process:

uninstall xfree
install x.org

I did it, it was easy.

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (2, Informative)

Justus (18814) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817750)

Yes. All you have to do (not in Gentoo at the moment, so forgive my lack of specifics) is change the make.profile symlink to the new profile (the one which corresponds to the liveCD release using x.org) and do an emerge -uvD world.

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817827)

That will only install xorg if X is needed and xfree isn't installed. If xfree is installed, it won't be replaced. You have to remove it first.

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817768)

Yes, just read the docs here on how to make the switch:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

Try this new flash game... It's a strange blend of Dungeon Dice and Pac-Man.
Chomp Dice [chompdice.com]

Re: Obligatory Gentoo Joke (0, Redundant)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817840)


> Yes, just read the docs here on how to make the switch:

> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

Thanks!


Re:Obligatory Gentoo Joke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817656)

You're obviously lying. If you were actually compiling 2004.2, it would still be compiling by now!

But.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817728)

Do you run Linux? And is Gentoo better than Windows?

Re:Obligatory Gentoo Joke (1)

rjch (544288) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817896)

Damn... I'd just finished compiling 2004.2!
Likewise. However all jokes aside, it's still a pest because I always do an emerge world -UD any time I install Gentoo. Had I downloaded the 2004.3 livecd, many/most of these upgrades would be included in the stage 3 tarball

What makes it worse still is that this was done on a PIII-667.

Just stressing.. (4, Informative)

iswm (727826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817614)

That this is just a new version of the LiveCD. No need to reinstall the core system.

Re:Just stressing.. (1)

pchan- (118053) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817670)

is there a way on the live cd to download the stage-x tarballs via bittorrent? ie, is there a bittorrent client distributed on the live cd?

Re:Just stressing.. (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817682)

The stage tarballs themselves, iirc, are pretty small. If you use stage 3 there should be enough to alllow you to emerge bittorrent if it isn't on the livecd already and then use it to get the GRP or whatever other CDs you want.

Re:Just stressing.. (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817693)

No there isn't, to my knowledge. You can downloaded the stages using bittorrent and either burn them to a CD or store them on another partition. The stages themselves aren't particularly large files (relative to several CDs like other distros), so it wouldn't be that much help anyway.

Re:Just stressing.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817709)

The point of BitTorrent is that people who have finished d/ling will leave the BT client open and help out others who still need some of the file.

How many people would be willing to leave the installer running for a few extra hours to help out the torrent? I doubt very many.

WooWoo!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817616)

Forget Fedora, Mandrake, Ubuntu and the rest...

This is the one everybody has been waiting for!!

Try this new flash game...
It's a strange blend of Dungeon Dice and Pac-Man.
Chomp Dice [chompdice.com]

Re:WooWoo!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817677)

There are about 50 different versions of Gentoo for bittorrent download, but I think this is the new one everybody here is talking about, right?

http://torrents.gentoo.org/torrents/install-x86- un iversal-2004.3.iso.torrent

I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (-1, Troll)

ScytheBlade1 (772156) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817617)

This is the second time they did this to me. Second time!

My first gentoo system, I downloaded the 1.4 release, and by the time I was done installing, THEY RELEASED 2004.0. ARGH.

Now, after helping my friend install 2004.2 on his new amd64, they release 2004.3!
Gah! He finished not moments before this was posted, and now look!

-.-

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (3, Informative)

x.Draino.x (693782) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817623)

emerge sync, then emerge --update world done. no need to download a new iso.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817815)

The big question... does it actually work and take care of everything?

Personally I'm a chicken and only update packages individually when I find a need to do so.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817624)

so just link /etc/make.profile to the new profile in /usr/portage/profiles and emerge -uD world. It's not like you have to recompile the entire system from stage1.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (4, Funny)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817628)

Nice troll. I'm sure with you as his guide, he'll have much fun reinstalling and then ending up with THE EXACT SAME SOFTWARE!

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1, Informative)

ScytheBlade1 (772156) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817637)

Good job not RTFA'ing people. If you'll note, he was on an AMD64, and in this release, they switch to a diff compiler, gcc 3.4. I know that it has the same software, so quit telling me that.

A different compiler though for a stage one might actually mean something :P

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (2, Interesting)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817651)

Not really, I did that a few months back when I switched to gcc34 and did emerge -e world, didn't notice much difference. Just keep gcc33 around and eventually most packages will recompile during the normal update process with gcc34. Now, I'm not using an AMD64 though, so you have to decide whether whatever improvements have been made in gcc34 are worth doing it all over again.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1)

Justus (18814) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817762)

There are supposedly significant compiler optimizations for the AMD64 architecture in GCC 3.4; I don't have the details and I'm too lazy to look them up at the moment, but that's what I've heard.

However, addressing the grandparent's original issue, I think that GCC 3.4 has been the default for AMD64 for a while now (maybe even in 2004.2?) so it's not really an issue.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1)

rincebrain (776480) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817781)

emerge -e world it is, then?

That'll re-emerge EVERYTHING...essentially, it pretends that you have no packages installed, and then does an emerge -uD world, if I understand correctly.

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (1)

wirwzd (699017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817648)

Well,

If you emerge sync && emerge -uD world you ARE at the latest version, no matter which live CD you installed with.

If it makes you feel better:

rm /etc/make.profile
ln -s /usr/portage/profiles/default-${YOUR ARCH_HERE}-2004.3

Re:I HATE YOU TOO GENTOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817688)

Man I'm just finishing up a 2004.2 installation tonight as well. In my case, I had some trouble getting everything running because I was installing onto a SATA drive and the 2.6.7 (I think...) kernel on the LiveCD didn't have the libata driver included (or something like that...). Does anyone know what kernel version is on the 2004.3 disc? If it's got 2.6.9, it sounds like my life could have been slightly easier if I waited one more day!

-Mark

eagerly anticipating it (-1, Flamebait)

po_boy (69692) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817619)

Let me know how it is when you all get it compiled in a couple months!

http://www.funroll-loops.org/

Get them over with (3, Funny)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817620)

  • Nothing to see here...
  • But I just emerged 2004.2!
  • I will tell you how it works in 4 weeks when it is done emerging...
Did I miss any?

Re:Get them over with (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817655)

How about:
  • Now with even more unstable use flags to choose from!
  • 0.0001% faster than 2004.2!
  • "emerge Type-R decals"

Re:Get them over with (3, Informative)

PeterPumpkin (777678) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817852)

USE flags are very powerful - if and only if - you set them on a per package basis. If you just leave it to setting them globally like they suggest to you in the manual, you will forget/not realize something, screw it up and cause problems.

The USE flags are pretty straight forward when looking at them in the context of a particular package. Pass the -pv ([p]retend to not install the package yet, and [v]erbose to see what USE flags the package will do) option to emerge. Say you do emerge -pv kde. You will probably see that samba support is off by default! Big issues there if you need access to Windows network shares.

If you don't get what a USE flag means, you can always do a "less /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc" to get a description of most of them.

2004.3? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817636)

2004.3 falls on April 19, 2004.

Today (November 14) is more like 2004.87.

Re:2004.3? (2, Funny)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817660)

" 2004.3 falls on April 19, 2004.

Today (November 14) is more like 2004.87."


The release schedule is based upon quarterly releases, 2004.0 being the first quarter, 2004.1 being the second, and so on...

At least, that was the original intent. I'm not sure if they hit every release within the intended quarters though.

Re:2004.3? (1)

Locarius (798304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817698)

The plan is to start doing 2 releases per year, rather than 4. This will allow the devs more time to implement changes and fix bugs. Apparently the new cycle starts 2005.0 (The release that will likely also have an installer of some kind).

I use Gentoo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817639)

How does this affect me?

Re:I use Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817671)

It doesn't really affect you until it comes time to re-install or install on a new box.

What I wish Gentoo had (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817640)

It's been awhile since I used gentoo-- the computer I had it installed on physically broke a few months ago-- but the thing I really wished for when I last used it was some sort of way to figure out, when you've installed a package, what is the first thing you do to make it work? Like, some sort of emerge info packagename command. I would install ircd and go "okay, i have ircd installed on my computer... now what? is it configured for me? is it enabled?" and not have any idea what to do except try to poke through the only-sometimes-relevant gzipped files in /usr/doc or whereever.

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1)

wirwzd (699017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817684)

They do. Try: man man

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817703)

Yeah, about that: There's only manpages for commands (well, most of them, if not all), not package names. One of my main complaints was sometimes that after installing a package for some program I'd find that the executable, like the command I was supposed to type in, for that program was something completely unexpected and not the name of the package, and I couldn't just look up the manpage because the manpage was under the name of the executable.

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1)

mentus (775129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817738)

You could use
$qpkg -l package-name | grep bin

qpkg -l package-name lists all files installed by the given package.

For instance:
[~]$ qpkg -l xchat | grep bin/
/usr/bin/xchat
/usr/bin/xchat-text

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1)

PeterPumpkin (777678) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817751)

Usually what you do is blindly try "man ircd" at the terminal prompt, for example, or if that doesn't work, go to packages.gentoo.org [gentoo.org] , type in the package name, follow the homepage link, and find instructions there.

Say, if you emerged ngircd, the man method don't work, so you do the search [gentoo.org], follow the homepage link [arthur.ath.cx], where you find installation instructions [arthur.ath.cx].

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817797)

Another thing to try is qpkg -l . This lists the files in the package, so you can pick out any man pages or other docs. If nothing else you can see what binaries were installed and try running them with -h.

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817845)

Doesn't Gentoo manage something like a /usr/share/doc/package-name/ directory?

At least, that's often the first place I look after installing a Debian package. It's just the upstream documentation and readme files, as well as any distro-related documentation.

Re:What I wish Gentoo had (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817871)

Yes, it does.

[no subject] (1)

codergeek42 (792304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817645)

Unless you use it for a networkless install (i.e. Stage3+GRP), whenever you install Gentoo you will download stage tarball(s) from the internet, so they will always be pretty much the newest available. In fact, the only real reaons I see to use newer LiveCDs is better hardware support and newer versions of things on the LiveCD (like links2 and irssi). And for those who already have Gentoo installed, you do not need to "upgrade" to 2004.3: a simple `emerge --sync && emerge -uD world` will upgrade everything you have installed and all the dependencies required therein.

Someone's got to say it (5, Informative)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817647)

Before all the dumb jokes start, here's what this means:

If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.

If you already have Gentoo on your system, this won't mean much since you can update the everything by with the command(s) "#emerge sync; emerge -uDp world"

This does not mean everyone with Gentoo is going to be compiling for days. You're still stuck with us for a while.

Re:Someone's got to say it (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817661)

slight correction:

"emerge -uDp world"

will show you what you can update,

"emerge -uD world"

will actually update packages

Re:Someone's got to say it (5, Informative)

solarium_rider (677164) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817689)

actually, no need to do both commands anymore. With the latest version of portage, you can just run
# emerge -uDa world
The -a is short for --ask. That will ask you if you really want to emerge the listed packages.

Re:Someone's got to say it (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817706)

Yeah, that's another way of doing it. I've just always done --pretend, so I'm used to it.

Re:Someone's got to say it (1)

roalt (534265) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817895)

If you want to install Gentoo for the first time, you can download a bunch of precompiled packages and complete an installation in a few hours or so, probably less.

I hope they fixed the problem with the AMD64 release where some packages were missing on the package-cd: I tried to do a network-less install, but in the end I needed internet-connectivity after all.

Not just emerge -u world (2, Informative)

ringer9cs (743732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817901)

Technically speaking, emerge -u does not completely upgrade your system to the newest release. You need to update your system profiles as well. If you are upgrading from 2004.1 or later, it is as simple as # rm /etc/make.profile # ln -s ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux//2004.3 /etc/make.profile However, if you are upgrading from versions earlier than Gentoo 1.4, it is quite complicated. For more information, see the Gentoo Upgrade Guide: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-upgrading.xml

And they still don't have an installer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817652)

What a bunch of jackasses. It's not even a real distro. Get this off the front page.

Re:And they still don't have an installer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817687)

Haha, measure of quality is whether there's a slick installer that'll do everything for you.

If you can't handle installing Linux on your own, go pay Microsoft a couple hundred bucks. They've got a nice installer for Windows for you to use.

Why announce new Gentoo releases?? (4, Insightful)

riprjak (158717) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817657)

Since I could install from 1.2 and after my emerge sync emerge world at the end would be as up to date as someone who used 2004.3.

Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...

However, release announces are no better that SCO stories, redundant and old news.

just my $0.02.

err!
jak

Re:Why announce new Gentoo releases?? (2, Informative)

micromoog (206608) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817747)

This isn't exactly true, particularly with respect to profiles (which dictate things like which packages are system packages). Read section 2 here [gentoo.org].

And, of course, release notices are a form of marketing, as with all software.

version dependencies (1)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817776)

Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...

I've not yet looked at Gentoo, and I'm curious. Does Gentoo have an established way of managing version dependencies while keeping it up-to-date? Presumably there are some packages that break when new versions of other packages are released, unless every package is checked carefully before releasing it into the distro. If they are checked carefully, how long will it normally take to get from an upstream release into Gentoo?

Debian, for instance, has its various releases, where packages tend not to get into testing and stable unless it's believed that they'll happily co-exist with the versions of other packages that are already in those releases.

Re:version dependencies (1)

Aneurysm9 (723000) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817842)

Gentoo does something similar where ebuilds are "masked" until it is known that they will compile properly and coexist with the rest of the system. Dependencies can also be specified with comparators such as = and so forth to ensure that a newer version of a dependency won't be installed (or will be slotted if possible) if it will break something.

Support for new hardware. (2, Informative)

onesadcookie (621500) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817868)

I had to use a (late) beta of the 2004.3 release recently to get Gentoo installed onto some only recently-released hardware. 2004.2 didn't play nicely either with the SATA controller or the on-board ethernet.

For those out their too timid to try a beta install CD, this might well be eagerly-awaited news.

Compile (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817663)

Compile compile compile compile some more.
Type type type too.

Icon? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817679)

Slashdot Editors,

Since every other Linux distribution under the sun has their own Slashdot icon, how about providing one for Gentoo as well?

Thanks.

Re:Icon? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817734)

They're working on it -- the GIMP isn't done compiling yet.

Re:Icon? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817782)

While it's compiling, they should use an hourglass icon, or the Windows Task Manager icon with the green line (CPU usage) maxed out at 100%.

--BladeMelbourne

Re:Icon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817775)

Slashdot Editors,

Yeah right!

Re:Icon? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817796)

I think the Microsoft Windows hourglass would be appropriate. Or maybe the one which looks like a calendar :-)

Jiminy Krikes!!! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817683)

Did you see that version number?!? These guys are WAY ahead of the others!

Just finished installin 2004.2 (0, Redundant)

beyonddeath (592751) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817715)

I literally just got 2004.2 running on my new dual opteron system today, is there an easy way to update my system (i'd imagine emerge can do it?) Thanks

Why all this hate? D: (5, Insightful)

talornin (745646) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817724)

I wonder why so many non-gentoo user goes out of their way to flame gentoo because you have to compile everything from source. If you dont like it, dont use it. I like it, I use it. This is almost like Linux VS BSD :(

Re:Why all this hate? D: (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817864)

Easy. Gentoo, like slackware and the BSDs are fine as hobbyist systems but there is a flood of windows converts looking for alternatives and its the community's responsibility to point them at something that doesn't suck. Gentoo is a bit of a fad. Newbies [greenfly.org] are getting confused.

Re:Why all this hate? D: (1)

incom (570967) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817916)

Probably think we'd be using thier distro of choice if it weren't for gentoo.

Upgrading... (5, Informative)

jasno (124830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817739)

For those who think `emerge sync && emerge -uD world` will update your system:

Don't forget to update the /etc/make.profile link after an `emerge sync`. The sync will place the new profile in /usr/portage/profiles. From the Gentoo Upgrading Guide [gentoo.org]:

substitute $arch with your arch
# rm /etc/make.profile
# ln -s ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/$arch/2004.3 /etc/make.profile

Ob. Flamebait (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817793)

And who says linux isn't easy to use!

Wow? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817743)

I am nowhere even close to what most scholars would describe as "giving a fuck." Seriously.

But everyone knows (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817758)

That Gentoo users are ricers. Debating the benefits of certina flags over others, complaining how they are not getting their 0.1% performance increase. Its a wonderful life

Nice to see... (3, Interesting)

Biomechanical (829805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817774)

I don't use Gentoo myself - the server downstairs runs Debian - but it's nice to see that it's moving forward, being updated, and being used.

It's good for people to have the ability to choose what they want, and if this revision encourages people who've previously tried Gentoo and found it in some way lacking - never tried it myself - then maybe they'll try it again and find what they missed the first time.

Forward my GNU/Linux friends, onwards to a less viral, more versatile, personally empowering digital horizon.

Re:Nice to see... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817816)

the server downstairs runs Debian

And nothing going on upstairs, evident by your choice in distro!

As for the rest of your comment, where did you get the mdma/e from?

--Blade

Re:Nice to see... (1)

Biomechanical (829805) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817936)

And nothing going on upstairs, evident by your choice in distro!

If it works for you, you use it. If you have no reason to change, why would you?

I'll probably get flamed for this but I'll admit it, I run Windows 2000 on my workstation.

[Waits for booing and hissing to stop.]

There are valid reasons for doing so - certain hardware drivers mainly but also there are applications I use that are simply not on Linux, such as a VRML viewer that follows the entire standard properly (keeping in mind I haven't looked in a month).

So there you go. Debian doing a fine server job that I have no reason to change it, and W2K doing it's job satisfactorily - no blue screens until I do them manually >:)

If you like Gentoo, use it. I applaude your energy and drive to actually find out what you can do with your computer rather than just accepting the crud that might have come with a store bought setup.

As for the rest of your comment, where did you get the mdma/e from?

Sorry for my ignorance but what is "mdma/e"?

Re:Nice to see... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817855)

"Forward my GNU/Linux friends, onwards to a less viral, more versatile, personally empowering digital horizon."

Oh shit...marketroids....

That does it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817791)

I'm switching to Gentoo - just for the version numbering.

Sooo... (2)

Kesh (65890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817833)

For those of us not up on Linux distros, what makes Gentoo good? And what are its shortcomings?

Re:Sooo... (2, Funny)

ValiantSoul (801152) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817926)

Gentoo is widely known for its portage system. If you want something, say irssi, you just type 'emerge irssi' and hit enter and it downloads it and compiles it. This system though is a rip of BSD's ports system (they did a good job though).

Its main shortcoming: its linux. I'll stick with FreeBSD until the day it dies (please no BSD dying jokes)

Gentoo - too much time to commit (3, Insightful)

Magickcat (768797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817839)

Gentoo's too damn time consuming for my tastes.

I like the fact that you have so much control over your installation, and the fact that you can compile for your own system easily is also very attractive features, but the trade off is how much time do you want to spend on Linux choosing and customising when there's a real world going on outside? In my case, the real world wins out.

Perhaps it's a bit like people who build cars by hand - not for every driver on the road, but a good hobby for some.

Re:Gentoo - too much time to commit (3, Informative)

Warren_Canuck (522319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10817922)

Too time consuming? Granted the initial setup may take a bit longer than RedHat or Debian but maintenance takes so much less time.

I don't have to worry about security holes anymore. I have a firewall setup and I emerge -q sync and emerge -up world every night and look at it whenever there is something for me to update. And when it does update I don't have to worry about other programs not using the most up to date versions of libraries, it does it all for me.

I wouldn't run Gentoo on a slow box but it works wonders on my P4 2Ghz.

Can people stoping saying (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10817930)

Gentoo is faster than the other distros, yes it is in many cases, but in many others it is not.

This myth that gentoo is some kind of speed demon is just stupid, it's about as fast as all the others give and take etc. etc.

The real benefit of gentoo is in that it teaches people how to put together a gentoo system, it's a learning experience of a sort.

But fanboys who trick noobs into using it for the speed shouldn't do so, it's not.

And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers (I believe there is a company set up by gentoo users to peddle this idea) is just insance.

The WHOLE point of a production server is that it has been tested THOUSANDS of times in a given configuration. Production has always meant, and always will mean a trade-off between the latest and stability.

To try and claim that you can run your server with some loopy custom compilations and expect to be able to get support for it is just ridiculous. The extra money spent on getting all this hand-craftednes should just be spent on a beefier server.

And as gentoo doesn't actually offer a definitive speed-gain, just spending $30 to get to the next CPU catergory up with 5% more performance will decimate any speed advantage created by the gentoo system optimizations.

please, stop the astro turfing, gentoo is great from a system design perspective, customisation and learning about linux. But it is not, and cannot (nothing can) be ALL pros and no cons. Be suspicious of any fanboy who says so because making those claims about ANY distro is just peddling snake-oil.
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