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Atlantis Found. Again.

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the yet-another-location dept.

Science 671

Tufriast writes "Paul McCartney and Mythic eat your heart out! BBC News has an interesting revelation regarding the lost city of Atlantis: "American researchers claim to have found convincing evidence that locates the site of the lost kingdom of Atlantis off the coast of Cyprus."" Hey, here's an idea: The idea of an almost mythical lost civilization is common thread throughout all old human societies - much like, say, really big Floods. Perhaps there could be more then one story that fits? But, no, that wouldn't be a simplistic enough answer to be sound-bitten into oblivion.

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More to the point ... (4, Funny)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819655)

But, no, that wouldn't be a simplistic enough answer to be sound-bitten into oblivion.

In today's USA political climate, any such suggestion smacks of rabid anti-bible terrorism. Better watch them words, pardner!

Re:More to the point ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819699)

Atlantis clearly never existed. Everyone knows that earth appeared suddenly on a friday about 6000 years ago, and nothing has changed since. And anyway, if it did exist, everyone who died was evil. 'cept for Noah, he was cool. And a pigeon. And an olive tree, apparently. Hang on, who wrote this crap, anyway?

Re:More to the point ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819739)

Don't forget the floating axes [google.com] [of evil?].

Re:More to the point ... (3, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819763)

Wikipedia's pages on various religious topics have little tidbits like this sprinkled all over (one [wikipedia.org] , two [wikipedia.org] , three [wikipedia.org] ).
  • Several professors of archeology claim that many stories in the Old Testament, including important chronicles about Moses, Solomon, and others, were actually made up for the first time by scribes hired by King Josiah (7th century BCE) in order to rationalize monotheistic belief in Yahweh. Evidently, the neighboring countries that kept many written records, such as Egypt, Persia, etc., have no writings about the stories of the Bible or its main characters before 650 BCE. Such claims are detailed in "Who Were the Early Israelites?" by William G. Dever, William B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, MI (2003). Another such book by Neil A. Silberman and colleagues is "The Bible Unearthed," Simon and Schuster, New York (2001).

Re:More to the point ... (4, Interesting)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819890)


including important chronicles about Moses, Solomon, and others, were actually made up for the first time by scribes hired by King Josiah

It is important to note that the Bible does make mention of Moses recording historical and legal material in written form, as in Exodus 17:14, 24:4, and 34:27, and in Numbers 33:2. Modern scholarship would suggest that these words of Moses were passed down and later recorded in the form that we have today.

Read the first few chapters of this book for a Christian perspective on the same topic:
The Message, Form, and Background of the Old Testament. Ed. William LaSor, David Hubbard, and Frederic Bush. Eerdmans Publishing Co., Grand Rapids, MI. 1996.

Re:More to the point ... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819912)

Oh, it's in Wikipedia. It must be true.

Re:More to the point ... (1, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819922)

Don't forget Chariots of the Gods? [alienresistance.org] Why should one invisible monster have any more prior art rights to homo sapiens than another?

Alas it was again lost. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819662)

And then promptly found ;P

ObOntarget: They believe Atlantis is off of Spain..

It's a Wrong Answer (2, Funny)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819855)

1) He attributes the flooding of the site to the biblical flood

2) The site is located 1600 meters (about 1 mile) below the surface.

3) The biblical flood he attributes to/identifies as the Flooding of the Med when the Atlantic broke through the mountain wall at Gibraltar. Geology indicates that while such an event did take place, it was 6 million years ago, not at the end of the Ice Age.

Therefore, it is more likley that the site is an old flooded out UFO base from the time period of the flood out, in my opinion. It would have been logical to have such bases in the Med basin, as there would have been spectacular salt flats in bottom of the Med basin, making an easy to find landmark from space, and a useful landing strip. Of course, any structures there have been flooded out very long ago.

The Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819663)

That is First...

Oops! No! (0, Offtopic)

OhHellWithIt (756826) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819672)

I found it here, in the lint in my left front pocket!

More than one story that fits? (5, Insightful)

fracai (796392) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819673)

OR perhaps all the stories originated from one actual occurance, but have become distorted through years of relay from one generation to the next.

Re:More than one story that fits? (4, Interesting)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819703)

It's just as likely that a few stories migrated into other cultures via cultural diffusion. Want to see this in action? Look at the Christian Bible.

Re:More than one story that fits? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819742)

Look at the "Christian Bible"? As opposed to the XML Bible?

When you're talking about the "Christian Bible" you can actually just call it "the Bible" - people will know which one you are talking about.

When will Slashdot stop creating new user accounts? Come on, anyone with a UID above 700000 is bound to be a moron. I cute post #10819703 as evidence.

Re:More than one story that fits? (4, Informative)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819789)

Actualy, I should have said Christian Bibles, since there are more than one version of it (translations, additions/omissions). The reason I qualified it as the Christian Bible is so that the New Testement would be included, since the Old Testemant is also the basis of Jewish faith. And yeah, other faiths use the term Bible.

Re:More than one story that fits? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819822)

The Old Testament is called the Torah. The collection of the Old Testament and the New Testament is the Bible. No one calls the Old Testament the Jewish Bible, you moron.

What other faiths use the term Bible and what percentage of people would think you were talking about those religious texts when you said, "the Bible."

My point is that if you say "the Bible" - people know what you're talking about. I realize that you hate Christianity but come on...

Re:More than one story that fits? (4, Informative)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819874)

The Torah are the five books of Moses. The Hebrew Bible (in Hebrew, Tanakh) consistes of the Torah, Neviim, and Ketuvim. Bible simply means a collection of books.

Plato made it up this parable. (4, Interesting)

Charles Dodgeson (248492) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819757)

In "western" civiliation there is no history of this story prior to Plato. Plato has a fictional character, Timeos (sp?), tell the story of Atlantis. The story is an obvious parable illustrating Plato's ideas about how things decline.

mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819900)

If you're going to look for Atlantis, you may as well look for Metropolis, Twin Peaks, Paradise City, etc.

Re:Plato made it up this parable. (5, Insightful)

Ralph Wiggam (22354) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819942)


Plato goes out of his way to say that the story NOT a parable and that Atlantis really existed.

The information he's relaying is third or fourth hand and has been translated at least once (possibly multiplying all the numbers by 10).

I keep an open mind about Atlantis because Troy was ficticious right up until someone found it.

-B

Re:More than one story that fits? (2, Interesting)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819833)

Stories of fire-breathing dragons are also common among almost all of the world's cultures. That doesn't make it any less likely that they are all handed down from one great experience.

Look at it this way -- there have been thousands of human cultures, each with thousands of items in their individual mythologies. Statistically, there's a pretty good chance that out of all those items, at least one or two will match up.

Unfortunately, most people are too stupid to figure this out, so idiots keep wasting money investing in schemes to find the Atlantis and Noah's ark.

Re:More than one story that fits? (1)

PsiPsiStar (95676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819935)

Dragons, yes. There are dragons in just about every culture. At least Eurasian ones. Babylonian. Chinese. European. I don't know about other cultures. But fire breathing?

Re:More than one story that fits? (5, Funny)

caseydk (203763) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819929)


Everybody knows that Atlantis exists in another galaxy and was recently found by a multi-national Stargate team who found that much of the city was still operational and solar powered.

I think they even started making a documentary series about this.

Atlantis -- antarctica? (4, Interesting)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819675)

I remember reading a while back about the possibility that Atlantis had been on the Northern edge (yep, that'll be all of them) of the Antarctic continent, before we entered the current ice-age (we're in an interglacial at the moment, technically still an ice age). See levels would have been higher, but Antarctica/Atlantis would have had a climate similar to modern britain.

Contrasting this, early greek explorers who went to 'Atlantis' noted that the natives were 'red skinned with horse-like hair', almost identical to Christopher Columbus' description of Native Americans!

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (1)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819750)

Would that be anywhere near the Mountains of Madness?

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819934)

Yes, it's right of the coast of the Cliffs of Insanity.

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819755)

I always thought that Atlantis sounded South American, ie. Atl Antis (like Chocolatl, Quetzalcoatl). However, I saw a 'documentary' some time ago about someone who had this theory, and tracked down some myserious site via satellite photos, only to find out (when he got there) that it was a factory!

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (1, Funny)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819774)

There was also some dude who theorised that atlantis was in peru. At the top of a mountain. In a desert. With no archaeology at all. And no water. Or rain. And he was on crack. Probably.

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (1)

PsiPsiStar (95676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819919)

I saw a 'documentary' some time ago about someone who had this theory, and tracked down some myserious site via satellite photos, only to find out (when he got there) that it was a factory!


A mysteriously lost factory?

Re:Atlantis -- antarctica? (4, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819816)

Unfortunately history of civilisations is not seriously considered anywhere prior to 10,000 BC, and probably more realistically 6,000 BC. There is no significant historical evidence pre-ice age that homo sapiens were anything more than small nomadic bands. Primitive language was probably available, as well as iconogaphy and basic tools. Large groupings of people would have been nigh-impossible in the absences of farming, husbandry, and written language.

Its an interesting hypothesis, but historical record does not support the notion. It would be an interesting theory though... HP Lovecraft and Robert E Howard certainly filled in the pre-Ice Age gap nicely in the realm of fiction. :)

Does this mean... (4, Funny)

Craig Maloney (1104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819677)

Does this mean Disney will now claim rights to all of the artifacts, and will release toys packaged with Happy Meals.

Re:Does this mean... (1, Funny)

empaler (130732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819913)

Not only that - they'll demand that anything not conforming with their vision/version of Atlantis be destroyed or altered...

Idea! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819683)

Here is another idea: Maybe the story is based on something that DID happen?
So finding the factual basis for a myth would be quite amazin, innit m8?

Re:Idea! (1)

Chess_the_cat (653159) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819752)

Exactly. Why is it so hard to believe that there was an ancient city that was destroyed by a natural disaster? Everyone thought Troy was a myth too until they found it.

Re:Idea! (1)

myurr (468709) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819759)

One theory is that the 'myth' of Atlantis, and the biblical flood stories, are based on the floods and land loss at the end of the last ice age. Something like one third (figure pulled out of rectum) of the land mass was reclaimed by the sea over a relatively short period of time (geologically speaking).

So it is quite possible that folk law accumulated into the legend of Atlantis.

Re:Idea! (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819882)

Err... I thought only the Atlantian island capital was lost? Plato (supposedly) never claimed that the entire continent was lost. This has led many to suggest that the Americas were the lost continent of Atlantis. The island capital could have easily been lost in a disaster such as a tidal wave.

Ancient Hindu texts may confirm this theory, as they refer to great wars in arial and orbital machines. [atlantisquest.com] Some have suggested that their enemy was the Atlantians, who were actually the Aztecs. This has been corroborated by some pretty strange artifacts like these [world-mysteries.com] . It's hard to look at those and not believe that they're planes.

Kent Brockwell reporting (4, Funny)

Aquatopia17 (710847) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819684)

Well I for one welcome our new alien over--I'm sorry, I'm reading from the wrong story. Well I for one welcome our new lost civilization overlords...

That would be Kent _Brockman_ (1)

sczimme (603413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819911)


And you now must relinquish your /.-ness for not knowing the proper name of a Simpsons character. :-)

Bit of trivia: what was Kent Brockman's given name, before he became a TV personality and 'updated' it?

Kenny Brockelstein.

/useless trivia

It was found months ago!! (5, Funny)

cyberlotnet (182742) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819687)

Where have you been hidding in a hole or something? I have been watching a elite team explore this place every friday night on the sci-fi channel, get with the program why don't you!

But did they... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819688)

find Jesus?

Re:But did they... (-1, Offtopic)

madaxe42 (690151) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819722)

Yes, obviously, all my video tapes have vanished.

Mythical Lost Civilisation (1, Insightful)

PeteDotNu (689884) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819701)

Sounds like the White House to me.

Atlantis.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819705)

First Civ!

Idea (2, Insightful)

Seanasy (21730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819711)

Hey, here's an idea: The idea of an almost mythical lost civilization is common thread throughout all old human societies - much like, say, really big Floods. Perhaps there could be more then one story that fits? But, no, that wouldn't be a simplistic enough answer to be sound-bitten into oblivion.

Hey, here's an idea. The primary job of an editor is to edit not editorialize.

Sheesh.

oh yeah? (1)

vena (318873) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819761)

prove it. :)

Re:Idea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819881)

But a secondary job certainly is to editorialize. That's why it's called editorializing.

Underworld... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819712)

Read Graham Hancock's Underworld : http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/

It has a much more generic and in my opinion much more plausible explanation for all the flood myths of this world.

Re:Underworld... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819859)

Grahm Handcock is a PseudoScientist, he also belives in a lost civilization on mars.

Re:Underworld... (0)

KH (28388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819886)

``Graham Hancock'' and ``plausible''? This is one of the funniest post I've read in a while.

Re:Underworld... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819903)

Heh. Next time I should include the tag.

its about the benjamins (4, Insightful)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819717)


Perhaps there could be more then one story that fits? But, no, that wouldn't be a simplistic enough answer to be sound-bitten into oblivion.

If you're an archaeologist, it's alot easier to get funding for your excavation if you make it sound like your project has major ramifications to the history of humanity.

It's just good business to call it Atlantis.

Re:its about the benjamins (1)

theMerovingian (722983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819797)


In fact, this Robert Sarmast [discoveryofatlantis.com] guy is specifically looking for Atlantis.

I think it would make more sense to actually *find* an ancient city, and afterwards prove that it is Atlantis. That would be much more credible than looking for every bump in the seafloor shaped like an Athenian temple.

No, No, No. (3, Funny)

Jaruzel (804522) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819718)

They've got it all wrong. Atlantis can only be reached via the stargate using an 8 digit address!

Tsk, don't these people know anything?

Atlantis? (4, Funny)

Chardish (529780) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819720)

I want to know why everyone assumes the name of this discovery is Atlantis. How can we know the name of an ancient civilization we discover before we discover it?

Anyway, wouldn't Mediterranis be far more appropriate, given its location?

Re:Atlantis? (-1, Troll)

TykeClone (668449) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819740)

We should call it Bob!

Then??? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819726)

It's spelled "than"...

Not off the coast of Cyprus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819728)

I thought they found it in Pegasus galaxy...

http://www.scifi.com/atlantis/ [scifi.com]

All old cultures eh? (1)

Jacques Chester (151652) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819729)

Funny, I don't recall any aboriginal dreamtime stories about Atlantis.

You'd think that 40,000 year old cultures would have the edge on that sort of thing.

Re:All old cultures eh? (2, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819811)

There are dreamtime stories about Atlantis but in keeping with Australian naming conventions they call it Kookanuggiebiddlybong and because Australians get everything upside down its tells the story of a city rising from the depths and making a sea disappear.

Stiry of Atlantis was an allegory; it was not real (3, Insightful)

Cryofan (194126) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819733)

Atlantis NEVER existed!

From
http://skepdic.com/atlantis.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
Atl antis is a legendary island in the Atlantic, west of Gibraltar, that sunk beneath the sea during a violent eruption of earthquakes and floods some 9,000 years before Plato wrote about it in his Timaeus and Critias. In a discussion of utopian societies, Plato claims that Egyptian priests told Solon about Atlantis. Plato was not describing a real place any more than his allegory of the cave describes a real cave. The purpose of Atlantis is to express a moral message in a discussion of ideal societies, a favorite theme of his. The fact that nobody in Greece for 9,000 years had mentioned a battle between Athens and Atlantis should serve as a clue that Plato was not talking about a real place or battle. Nevertheless, Plato is often cited as the primary source for the reality of a place on earth called Atlantis. Here is what the Egyptian priest allegedly told Solon:

Many great and wonderful deeds are recorded of your state in our histories. But one of them exceeds all the rest in greatness and valour. For these histories tell of a mighty power which unprovoked made an expedition against the whole of Europe and Asia, and to which your city put an end. This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable; and there was an island situated in front of the straits which are by you called the Pillars of Heracles; the island was larger than Libya and Asia put together, and was the way to other islands, and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbour, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.

Now in this island of Atlantis there was a great and wonderful empire which had rule over the whole island and several others, and over parts of the continent, and, furthermore, the men of Atlantis had subjected the parts of Libya within the columns of Heracles as far as Egypt, and of Europe as far as Tyrrhenia. This vast power, gathered into one, endeavoured to subdue at a blow our country and yours and the whole of the region within the straits; and then, Solon, your country shone forth, in the excellence of her virtue and strength, among all mankind. She was pre-eminent in courage and military skill, and was the leader of the Hellenes. And when the rest fell off from her, being compelled to stand alone, after having undergone the very extremity of danger, she defeated and triumphed over the invaders, and preserved from slavery those who were not yet subjugated, and generously liberated all the rest of us who dwell within the pillars. (Timaeus)

The story is reminiscent of what Athens did against the Persians in the early 5th century BCE, but the battle with Atlantis allegedly took place in the 8th or 9th millennium BCE. It would not take much of an historical scholar to know that Athens in 9,000 BCE was either uninhabited or was occupied by very primitive people. This fact would not have concerned Plato's readers because they would have understood that he was not giving them an historical account of a real city. To assume, as many believers in Atlantis do, that there is a parallel between Homer's Iliad and Odyssey and Plato's Critias and Timaeus is simply absurd. And those who think that just as Schliemann found Troy so too will we someday crack Plato's code and find Atlantis are drawing an analogy where they should be drawing the curtains. Plato's purpose was not to pass on stories, but to create stories to teach moral lessons. What can we expect next from these lost scholars? A search for the grave of Cecrops, the serpent-tailed first king of Athens? The discovery of the true trident of Poseidon? ....

Sonar isn't enough... (5, Insightful)

Gadgetfreak (97865) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819735)

I'm not trying to be a pessimist, but making claims about finding Atlantis based on preliminary sonar imagery might be jumping the gun a little bit. In a sea that's been heavily travelled since human kind first built boats, it could be a lot of different things. Even if it's a civilization, it could be one of many Mediterrannean settlements that nobody knew was missing.

My point is that until they come up with some underwater photos, artifacts, or both, it's a bit early to claim that they found something that might not have even existed in the first place.

Re:Sonar isn't enough... (3, Funny)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819779)

You'd think BBC would be above sensationalizing pseudo-science, wouldn't you?

Re:Sonar isn't enough... (1)

Flibz (716178) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819899)

Why would you think that ?

Have you watched the BBC recently ?

Re:Sonar isn't enough... (3, Insightful)

Trepalium (109107) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819841)

But what better way to encourage funding of their project? I mean, if you come out and say, "We found some stuff under the ocean that looks like it'd be interesting to explore", how would you ever expect to get funding. On the other hand, if you claim your found the lost city of Atlantis, then the bucks should come rolling in.

Irregular Webcomic... (1)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819736)

... has dealt with this topic [irregularwebcomic.net] . Anything I write would just reword what David wrote, so I'll skip the redundancy. :)

Map (1)

ValuJet (587148) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819738)

Their is a map to Atlantis on the back of the constitution written in invisible ink!

Pseudo-Intellectualism Runneth Rampit (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819741)

Amazing. All those speaking on topics they know so very little about. Oh well. I guess that's your right to do so.

Of course if some other ideology ruled the earth you wouldn't have the Internet or Slashdot.

Something to think about, from a 43 year old Marine Corps Vet.

Here Hemos, let me help you... (2, Funny)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819744)

Worst. Lost. Civilization. Evar.

I agree that the repetition of this story is borin (1)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819746)

So....why did you post it to Slashdot?

Paul McCartney (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819748)

What on earth? Yes, I read the linked article, but sheesh that is so random and off topic. Eat his heart out? Because he may have sung back up on a song called atlantis that he is so proud of he's not even credited with it? WTF?

Face on Mars! (2, Funny)

tiredwired (525324) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819751)

That looks just like the face on Mars so it must be true!

Would be nice (5, Interesting)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819753)

if they finally did find the actual atlantis. They believe they've found the real Troy [allaboutturkey.com] , finding the real Atlantis will hopefully put much speculation to rest.

Personally, I'm just eager to see what they find, if it is found. Ancient archeological surprises are pretty cool, as it always astounds me how relatively advanced some of these civilizations were, to only fall back into ignorance before we finally moved into the modern age.

Re:Would be nice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819933)

Did you say we moved from ignorance into the modern age? When did that happen?

Atlantis $69.99 (1)

aacool (700143) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819760)

Close from the flight-away resort island of Atlantis - only $69.99 - Edgar Cayce predicted in the 1960s that Atlantis would be found near the Bimini Atoll. Researchers did indeed find underwater ruins there - ref. Colin Wilson's The Atlantis Blueprint [amazon.com] (no associate link).

The theme of a synthesis between ancient civilizations leads one to believe that there is indeed a proto-civilization based in Atlantis. Not sure if they take Visa, though.

Atlantis = Plato's fairytale. (4, Interesting)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819771)

The only mention of the place comes from Plato. He was telling a story about an evil, technologically superior force( The Atlantians) getting defeated by the 'just and moral' Athenians. Plato was telling a tale with similar themes to Star Wars, etc : The just and moral will overcome the wicked and powerful.

There was nothing more to it. No other historians wrote about it, none of Plato's contemporaries made any mention of it.

Now, were there civilizations that got zapped by a flood/volcano/earthquake, etc? Sure.

But was there an advanced civilization on an island in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean that got its ass kicked by the Greeks sometime between 1200-10000 BC (Depending on if you take Plato's words of 10k years literarly or not)?
Doubt it.

Re:Atlantis = Plato's fairytale. (1)

Jacques Chester (151652) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819938)

Just like bloody Plato to rip off George Lucas!

Everybody knows (1)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819781)

The city of Troy and its eventual sacking is only a myth and doesn't really exist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy [wikipedia.org]

Lost /. post of Atlantis! (2, Informative)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819784)

Looks like the existance [slashdot.org] of this story has been lost too!

again? (2, Interesting)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819786)

The AP article can be found here, on CNN [cnn.com] .

Just how often [science-frontiers.com] do we have to "solve" [atlan.org] the mystery [abc.net.au] of Atlantis [in-sourced.com] ? When will the media accept that not every sunken city Atlantis, and that it probably isn't the last time that someone will find a site sunken by volcanic activity. Most of these discoveries are occuring in an area with large amounts of Volcanic activity, so doesn't it just make sense that these cities are there?

Indy and I found it (1)

P-Nuts (592605) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819788)

I found it in 1992 playing Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis. It blew up shortly after we discovered it, so I doubt there's anything left to find.

Ouch! (1)

voice of unreason (231784) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819793)

But, no, that wouldn't be a simplistic enough answer to be sound-bitten into oblivion.

Is it just me, or is Hemos in an unusually argumentative mood this morning? He isn't usually that sarcastic.

In all seriousness, though, don't underestimate the possibility that there may have been a historical Atlantis. Remember, historians used to believe that Troy was only a myth. There's nothing particularly improbable about an ancient city existing, nor is it improbable that it might be destroyed in a manner similar to Pompeii. Personally, though, I have my doubts about this particular discovery. The man who announced it sounds a little flaky, I wonder if he either made up the evidence, or misinterpreted it. But that doesn't mean that Atlantis will never be found, or that it doesn't exist. Whether it will be as spectacular a find as people seem to hope for is another question.

I read this, but am a little suspect... (5, Informative)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819796)

I also read an article about the same event on CNN I believe (I am too lazy to post the link). In anycase, the side-scanning sonar did pick up what appear to be walls which do fit exactly the description of Atlantis (60-70 exact points corallate directly to the description of Atlantis).

But I say I am skeptical about this discovery. Mainly because of who funded the expedition. It cost about $250k, which was raised by proceedes from book sales and donations, with the largest donation of $60k comming from a "Tourisim" society/acency in Cypris. Well, where does "Atlatis" show up? Off the coast of Cypris...

OMG! (-1, Offtopic)

trapni (227106) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819801)

Please help me to get cheeped [winterschur.de] ! However, I'd like to Atlantis, if it's been really found then :)

A HREF (-1, Offtopic)

clinko (232501) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819814)

I [google.com] Like [google.com] to link [clinko.com] everything [everything2.com] I rant about [clinko.com] too. [subwayidol.com]

SG-1 Found It. (1, Funny)

Space_Soldier (628825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819817)

I could swear that Stargate SG-1 found the city in another galaxy.

Dupe Story (1)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819818)

See here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] .

Cmon, can't you guys get anything right?
Oh wait..

Why so far underwater? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819821)

I can understand if a Tsumia hit or when the ice age ended that the sea rose and covered it, but 1.25 miles underwater is quite extreme.

I looked at the sonogram pic from the bbc site. I did not see these mysterious circles and that structure could be natural occuring from an underwater fault.

I tell girls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819824)

that the lost city of atlantis is inside my pants. Which is why all the girlies try to get in!.

Altantis sure gets about (4, Informative)

Hieronymus Howard (215725) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819835)

Altantis seems to be very mobile. It's been spotted in Cyprus now. Last time it was Ireland [cnn.com] , before that it was in Spain [bbc.co.uk] and then Gibraltar [bbc.co.uk]
Prior to that it was in the mid atlantic [bbc.co.uk] where it moved to from Greece [bbc.co.uk] . Of course, it's original location was off the coast of Cornwall [bbc.co.uk] .

BBC News is missing actual photography (2, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819845)

... so here is one from some swedish news: a bunch of urns [aftonbladet.se]

Surprisingly that picture doesn't seem very common in related stories from a Google News search.

'The team spent six days' (-1, Flamebait)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819851)

"The team spent six days scanning the Mediterranean sea bed between Cyprus and Syria using sonar technology"

Well it took God 6 days to create the earth&co, so I wouldn't expect other stupid tails to take exactly the same abount of time.

I'm sure Bush is on the case, making sure the Greeks don't try and take over the world again.

More Than, More Than, More Than (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819856)

Perhaps there could be more then one story that fits?

Sheesh!!! slop in the comments is to be expected, but not proofreading the article submission? Come on!

Atlantis Found!! (number 172 in an ongoing series) (1)

Posting=!Working (197779) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819858)

Am I the only one that thinks the "canal" and "outer wall" looks like a section of the hill just broke off and slid down the slope? It also looks far from straight, as the story claims.

I wouldn't get all excited (3, Interesting)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819872)

Any new archaeological find is potentially interesting, but I wouldn't get all excited about this, for two reasons. First, nothing much is known. Sonar doesn't tell you very much, not even whether it is really an archaeological site. It is all too common for people to decide that something must be manmade because the edges are too straight or something like that, only for it to turn out to be a natural geological formation. Without further evidence, we won't know what this is.

Secondly, supposing that these are the remains of a city, what makes this one more exciting than any other? I submit that what makes it exciting is the association with the Atlantis legend of a particularly advanced society. But that is precisely the part of Plato's story that is most likely false. Even if his story is based on a real city that was submerged, it was most likely an ordinary city of its time, perhaps well off by the standards of the day, but not the amazingly advanced civilization of sci-fi movies. We can't of course rule it out entirely, but we will only have reason to believe it if actual evidence is found, and at present there isn't any.

The Lost City of Altalanta! (3, Funny)

Vinnie_333 (575483) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819880)

Atlanta was more than just a delta hub. And the caffeine can really speed up the evolutionary process. Wooo doggies!

Global Warming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10819902)

See what happened? There was an ancient politician in Atlantis (looked a lot like Algore BTW), said there was GW going on and it would flood the city. They didn't listen either. They just kept on breathing and making that terrible CO2 just as before.

And again, and again, and again.... (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819915)

With all the dupes this current story is likely to get, I'd say Atlantis is bound to be discovered again and again(and again etc..) Possibly even multiple times this week!

Why does everyone say that this city is lost? (2, Funny)

zzyzx (15139) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819925)

I know exactly where it is. It's at the intersection of I-75, I-85 and I-20. I go there all the time. What's the big deal?

What?

Oh AtlantIS.

Sorry.

No Way (1, Funny)

Lucas Membrane (524640) | more than 9 years ago | (#10819927)

The time since the Mediterranean flooded last is measured in megayears, not kiloyears. All he's got is sonar, and it's pretty easy to interpret unusual formations as signs of civilization. Take the interstate highways, for example.
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