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Chinese Team Heading for Coldest Spot on Earth

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the hey-it's-breezy-out-here dept.

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LMCBoy writes "Dome A is the highest point on the Antarctic Plateau, and it has never been reached by humans. It is thought to be the coldest place on earth, and is certainly among the most remote. Yesterday, a team of Chinese explorers set out from Fremantle, Australia to reach Dome A and set up a robotic weather station which will monitor the local conditions for up to five years. The team is expected to arrive at Dome A in early 2005."

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secret phallus 4 lyfe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839751)

secret phallus

RULE BRITTANIA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839807)

(I don't believe I scored first post!)

Heil Hitler. [timecube.com]

FUCK ALL FAGS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839847)

die and burn in hell all you fags die die die die die. you are a buch of perverted fuckers that should be shot you stupid fucking fags die die die, I hope you alld die and burn in fucking hell

Re:FUCK ALL FAGS (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839857)

Let me guess: red state, right?

Re:FUCK ALL FAGS (0)

strider44 (650833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839942)

No, I think that he's the member that they left at Fremantle. Poor guy, the freezing breezes even in summer must be killing him.

My experiences in China (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839760)

China might seem all advanced and flashy with their Antarctica missions, but anyone who's spent the least bit of time there will immediately see through this.

I'm an American businessman in the import- export business, so as you might guess, my frequent travels take me to many places around the world, on every continent. Anyhow, I wanted to share my experience in the "great" country of China.

So, I was in Shenzhen China last December for about a week on business. A bit of background: Shenzhen, like Hong Kong and a few other places, is a "Special Economic Zone" that the Chinese government set up to try and give foreigners the illusion that China really ISN'T a drab, decaying fascist state that's economically languishing behind the rest of the world. Here, rules are relaxed and capitalism is encouraged, not surppressed. Well, let me tell you this, if this is China's best, then I'd hate to see the worst.

Anyways, when I stepped off the train from Hong Kong (which was no paradise itself, as that place has gone down the shitter since the Brits left) I was shocked. The whole place smelled like a combination of vomit and dog shit that had been left out in the sun for a day or so. And it was probably BECAUSE there was vomit and dog shit all over. I almost retched, and I've certainly been in some sketchy places in my travels but NOTHING like this.

People spit everywhere. Trash litters the streets. I found myself looking DOWNWARD much more than looking FORWARD when I walked.

Noise pollution is endemic. It doesn't help that their infernal language consists of abrupt rapid fire tones that is a cacophony for any human ear to bear. How do they speak and listen to that shit without going crazy all day long is beyond me.

Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud.

The hypocrisy, corruption, and double-standards from the highest levels of government on over are the norm at the same time China opens up to the world. Foreigners get charged as much as five times for transportation, lodging, food, and everything else.

Traffic is horrible. Rules are non-existent except for at traffic lights: red means to go fast, green means to go REALLY REALLY fast.

The Chinese people themselve are pretty apathetic and everyone just wants to get out of that hell hole, so you see smuggling rings shipping people out hidden in truck beds and ships, all too often with tragic results.

The whole country, in my assessment is a lost case. Even the cheap labor can be found in Southeast Asia or Mexico. Same goes for pirated stuff -- SE Asia and Eastern Europe will keep on churning them out.

Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!

So yeah, screw the hell hole that's China. It's a lost cause of a country suspsended by a hollow facade of so-called new capitalism that's just show more than anything.

Re:My experiences in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839806)

You business takes you to every continent... even Antartica? What do you import/export to/from there?

Re:My experiences in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839814)

PENGUINS. [yellow5.com]

Hooray for Pokey.

MOD PARENT UP (1)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (659566) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839965)

Africa > China, and that's saying a LOT.

Re:My experiences in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840046)

That's A LOT of BS lies you told! Amazing!

Re:My experiences in China (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840083)

I'm an American businessman in the import- export business, so as you might guess, my frequent travels take me to many places around the world, on every continent. Anyhow, I wanted to share my experience in the "great" country of China.

Just to get it out of the way, I'm an American businessman too, that lives and works mainly in Tokyo Japan. I too travel all around the world, but so far business hasn't taken me to Antarctica yet. (Every continent, eh?) That said...

Anyways, when I stepped off the train from Hong Kong (which was no paradise itself, as that place has gone down the shitter since the Brits left) I was shocked. The whole place smelled like a combination of vomit and dog shit that had been left out in the sun for a day or so.

Reminds me of NYC. ;-)

And it was probably BECAUSE there was vomit and dog shit all over.

Yep, bingo, NYC! (Well, it's more vomit and urine, and less dog shit...)

People spit everywhere. Trash litters the streets. I found myself looking DOWNWARD much more than looking FORWARD when I walked.

Chill out, it's a cultural thing. If you're not used to it, the spitting can gross you out, but there are plenty of other things that we do that would gross out alot of other people. For example, not using a specialized tongue cleaner every day sorta grosses out the Indians. Using PAPER to wipe our asses is considered incredibly unhygenic (and in a sense it is) as far as most people in the middle east and asia are concerned. On the other hand, the thought of wiping our asses with water, USING OUR HANDS, grosses us out equally.

It doesn't help that their infernal language consists of abrupt rapid fire tones that is a cacophony for any human ear to bear. How do they speak and listen to that shit without going crazy all day long is beyond me.

If that's what you have to say about Chinese, you don't want to know what most people think of Yankee, Aussie and Kiwi English. :-P

Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud.

Americans stink too. It's not that rare that you'll run into a white american manager that apparently has never heard of deoderant. Soggy, dark sweat stains under their pits. I know many Chinese, and just like us Americans, there are dirty ones and clean ones, and nationality seems to have little to do with it. That said, Europeans have a much higher rate of having really bad BO, than Asians. Even with the deoderant, the Japanese seem to be able to pick up this scent, and will gag and puke behind your back. Again, this is all relative.

The hypocrisy, corruption, and double-standards from the highest levels of government on over are the norm at the same time China opens up to the world. Foreigners get charged as much as five times for transportation, lodging, food, and everything else.

Okay, I have to agree with this. There are a lot of back-stabbing double-standard corrupt "high" officials in China. This certainly has room for improvement. However, it's not that unusual in developing countries. Ever been to Indonesia?

Traffic is horrible. Rules are non-existent except for at traffic lights: red means to go fast, green means to go REALLY REALLY fast.

Ever been to Rome? ;-)

The Chinese people themselve are pretty apathetic and everyone just wants to get out of that hell hole, so you see smuggling rings shipping people out hidden in truck beds and ships, all too often with tragic results.

As far as the apathy, I wouldn't count out our own country. I guess we don't have people smuggling themselves accross the border to Canada though. Yet.

The whole country, in my assessment is a lost case. Even the cheap labor can be found in Southeast Asia or Mexico. Same goes for pirated stuff -- SE Asia and Eastern Europe will keep on churning them out.

There's no such thing as a lost case. There's struggles and hiccups, but eventually things work out. They're still in the works, as far as I'm concerned, in the U.S. after 230 years.

Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!

I don't condemn prostitution, but man you're an asshole. Your superiority complex MCP-ness just wreaks from your wording. If there's one thing that I can't stand, it's people that pay a prostitute for sex but don't mind calling them "whores". At least you wouldn't be half as bad if you condemned prostitution all together. If you're gonna pay her, atleast show her some respect!

Anyhow, prostitution is available anywhere in the world, and you can find cute girls that will swing with the flow as long as you pay enough. You can get a prostitute for $5 in parts of India. Probably cheaper in parts of Africa. But are you aware WHY your prostitute only cost $12? It goes back to your point about the "special economic zones" not reflecting the rest of the country. There are loads after loads of young girls waiting to enter Shanghai every single day, that come in by the truck loads from rural farming provinces. It's the quick and easy way to make cash, but all too often it's the ONLY way to save the family from near-starvation. But they're usually exploited by the local pimps. That girl you paid probably didn't make the full $12. And she's probably barely scraping by, unless she learns Japanese and gets a gig going with that crowd.

Like I said, I don't condemn prostitution, I think it should be legal, but if you could take your head out of your ass you may recognize a pattern that isn't specific to China. In the U.S., who's a prostitute? A very few are in it because they really want to, or because they've figured out how to make a lot of money doing the high-society deal. However, a lot of them are druggies or have other problems that can't get help elsewhere. And guess what? They're pimped out of a lot of their money. And still can't get help. So either way, it's either extreme poverty or other problems that can't get help. In no way are you looking at a unique case in China.

So yeah, screw the hell hole that's China. It's a lost cause of a country suspsended by a hollow facade of so-called new capitalism that's just show more than anything.

A lot of my co-workers don't like Americans because they're full of themselves. Of course, they make sure to comment that I'm "not like the other ones", which doesn't really make me feel any better. I try to talk them into the fact that they're commenting on a stereo type, and most Americans are just great people to be with, just like most Japanese people are great. Sometimes, just sometimes though, I wonder if the American stereo type isn't a genuine majority of Americans. That the "nice Americans" really are a minority, and most everyone is a totall asshole when it comes to foreign nations. I get this feeling the most from people that rarely travel out of their state, let alone the country, but if you really do travel all over the world and STILL feel the way you feel, god fuck America, it's a lost cause all right.

w00t, hfis scored first post. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839761)

What about second??

So, if we know its -90C .... (1)

Zrech (578331) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839771)

Then why are they going to monitor the -90C?

MOD PARENT UP (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840123)

nt

I think I know what they'll find there (0, Offtopic)

namespan (225296) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839769)

COBRAAAA!!! [propadeutic.com]

Re:I think I know what they'll find there (3, Funny)

Infinity Salad (657619) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840077)

I thought it would be Superman's Fortress of Solitude...

Summary error (-1)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839773)

Dome A is the highest point on the Antarctic Plateau

I think you misspelled "lowest".

User error (1, Informative)

XipX (615675) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839791)

I quote
A 12-man Chinese expedition will leave Shanghai for Antarctica on October 25, targeting the highest polar icecap peak- 4,039 meters above sea level

Re:User error (-1, Troll)

magefile (776388) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839802)

It was a joke, idiot.

Typo (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839818)

I think you meant:
"It was an idiot's joke"

Re:Summary error (1)

I_Love_Pocky! (751171) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839800)

Why would they name a low point a dome? It would make sense that the highest point would be the coldest.

Question (4, Interesting)

addaon (41825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839777)

So what happens when the temperature (down to -90C) goes below the sublimation temperature of CO2 (-76C, if I recall correctly)? Does it just freeze out of the air? I'm sure these guys will be heating (and probably humidifying) their air supply anyway, but do they need to add CO2 to keep the breathing reflexes working right?

Re:Question (1)

fredistheking (464407) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839819)

The article quotes -70C which makes me wonder if there is a sort of CO2 dewpoint that prevents the temperature from changing states.

-

Re:Question (5, Funny)

addaon (41825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839874)

"the temperature plummets to around minus 90 degrees Celsius"... of course, we don't know how that measurement was made...

Re:Question (3, Interesting)

Baseclass (785652) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839967)

Damn that's cold! I didn't realize there was any place on earth where dry ice [wikipedia.org] could occur naturally.

Perhaps the the -90C figure was calculated using satellite data and/or readings from nearby weather stations.

Re:Question (1)

Baseclass (785652) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840003)

Although IANAS and may be talking out of my ass slightly. Other conditions may be required to freeze gaseous carbon dioxide. Perhaps somebody with more knowledge on the subject could enlighten me. Is this actually possible? A place on Earth with CO2 snow?

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839821)

Well one thing is for sure, they must have nipples as hard as steel.

Re:Question (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839897)

That is actually not a bad question but I think you'll find that the breathing reflex is not affected by the composition of the air in the environment - rather, it is related to the carbon dioxide concentration in the blood. The carbon dioxide is created within the body as a by-product of aerobic respiration. If that carbon dioxide is freezing before they have the chance to expel it, they wouldn't be needing a breathing reflex anyway.

Re:Question (1)

addaon (41825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839969)

Ooh. [forehead smack] Good point. Still must be bloody weird to have dry ice vaporizing under your boots when you step down.

Monitoring, huh? (5, Funny)

mg2 (823681) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839782)

to set up a robotic weather station which will monitor the local conditions for up to five years

Day 1: Cold
Day 2: Cold
...

Re:Monitoring, huh? (4, Insightful)

kngthdn (820601) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839909)

Day 1: Cold
Day 2: Cold
...

Day 23017: Warm.

Re:Monitoring, huh? (1)

strider44 (650833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839958)

Well no, I think that it'll go something like this:

Day 1: Cold
Day 2: Damned Cold
Day 3: For the last f***ing time, it's F***ing Cold you a**holes!
Day 4: (let's have a competition to see who can make the best next message shall we?)

Re:Monitoring, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840029)

On day four they realize this is a boring, repetitive task, which thus becomes the next candidate for outsourcing. Then Slashdot posts new article: Chinese Expedition outsourced to Indians, thus initializing flame war #452431 on outsourcing.

Re:Monitoring, huh? (5, Funny)

mog007 (677810) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840060)

Actully, Antarctica is the second coldest place on Earth, the first being my bed! HA! HA! HA!

Oh... I made myself sad.

Oh... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839784)

I thought the coldest spot on Earth was Martha Stewart's vagina.

Re:Oh... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839888)

No, that's the driest, most desolate spot on Earth.

good for them (5, Funny)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839789)

Chinese Team Heading for Coldest Spot on Earth

Let me know when they find my girlfriend's heart.

Re:good for them (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839832)

They said coldest place, not far off imaginary place.

Re:good for them (5, Funny)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839957)

Ha ha. I guess if a slashdotter has a girlfriend, then the coldest place right now must be Hell.

Old anecdotal story but a good one... (3, Funny)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840082)

An exam question on Momentum, Heat and Mass transfer: Is hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)? Justify your argument.

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant.

One student however wrote the following:

First, we must postulate that if souls exist they must have mass. If they do then a mole of soles can have mass. So at what rate are souls entering Hell and at what rate are they leaving?

Making the assumptions that once in Hell a soul cannot leave. Therefore no souls are leaving.

To determine how many are entering we must look at the different religions.

Some religions state that if you are not a member of their religion you will go to Hell.

Because there is more than one religion that states this and no one is a member of one of more religion we can postulate that all people, and therefore all souls, go to Hell.

With birth and death rates as they are we can assume that the number of souls in Hell are increasing exponentially.

Now look at the rate of change of volume in hell.

Boyle's law states that in order for the temperature and pressure to say the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant.

Case 1: If Hell is expanding at a rate slower than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell lets loose.

Case 2: If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature ad pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?

If we accept the postulate by Theresa Banyan during my first year " it will be a cold night in Hell before I sleep with you" and taking into account I have not had sexual relations with her, Case 2 cannot be correct.

Thus Hell is exothermic- QED!

Grrr! Sorry about the formatting... (1)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840093)

Note to self (and tip for others): in future, don't try to close a bold tag with an italic one. That shit ain't ever gonna work.

Re:good for them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839848)

>Let me know when they find my girlfriend's heart.

Shouldn't that be "ex-girlfriend's" heart?

Either that or you're quite deserving of pity... ...or a good shaking.

Re:good for them (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839856)

Despite a common misconception of the ignorant common folk, love comes from the brain. Heart has nothing to do with it. Its just a strong muscle to pump your blood.

Once saw a news story on TV about a heart transplant, and the wive of the man who was undergoing the operation, was against it because: "Thats the heart he felt in love with me with!".

Opposing a scientific breakthrough (back then) due to a myth, is just foolish!

Re:good for them (2, Funny)

Gentlewhisper (759800) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839883)

Despite a common misconception of the ignorant common folk, love comes from the brain. Heart has nothing to do with it. Its just a strong muscle to pump your blood.

Wrong!

Love comes from the... 2nd head!

Re:good for them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840051)

Well, notwithstanding the woman on TV, it isn't a misconception. It's just a figure of speech, get over it.

Re:good for them (1)

nuclear305 (674185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840104)

"Let me know when they find my girlfriend's heart."

Let me know if they find a scary looking guy with a pitch-fork, red skin, and horns walking around as well...

Re:good for them (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840131)

Let me know when they find my girlfriend's heart.

Wow! A fellow slashdotter with a girlfriend? That's gotta be more momentus than visiting the south pole.

They should have a National Geographic special on it: The first geek ever observed reproducing sexually (see the April issue for asexual geek reproduction....Warning: not for the faint of heart).

Excellent teamwork (2, Interesting)

raahul_da_man (469058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839793)

It's good to see the spirit of exploration is not dead. I am slightly puzzled by the story though. Why, if Australians are training the Chinese expeditioners, are they doing it in Fremantle?

That really doesn't seem a close match for the climatic conditions in the Antarctica. It may be far too easy compared to the high altitudes they are facing.

It would also be interesting to learn what challenges are involved in building those automated weather recording stations. How *do* they keep it running unattended for 20 years with batteries?

Re:Excellent teamwork (1)

daveashcroft (321122) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839852)

radioisotopic generators? hmmm, but i guess antarctica is supposed to be free of those.

Re:Excellent teamwork (1)

darnok (650458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839860)

> Why, if Australians are training the Chinese
> expeditioners, are they doing it in Fremantle?

They started training them in Ballarat, but even elite Antarctic explorers can only take so much cold weather...

Re:Excellent teamwork (1)

hayden (9724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839865)

My guess is we're not training them. Fremantle is so-so close to the Antarctic, although they usually depart from Tasmania.

Re:Excellent teamwork (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840001)

I helped design those weather stations, we use 148 Saft Lithium-thionyl chloride (Li-SOCl2) 20 AHr batteries. The weather station averages about 1 mA at 12 V. The batteries aer burries in the snow about 3 m where we expect the temperature to be about -65 C.

We cannot find any batteries that could be recharged at this temperature, Li-SOCl2 batteries are the only option. We also have solar pannels for the summer months. Without the solar pannels the station should last 5 years, with the pannels we might get 7-10 years, and 20 years of data for summer.

The trick with getting things working at that temperatures was testing, we find that most things work (chips etc) but we test all the parts here first.

Peter Jansen
Australian Antarctic Division

First thing that came to mind (3, Funny)

Klowner (145731) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839797)

when reading this headline..

Inside Martha Stewart's Pants..

Lies! (3, Funny)

McBeer (714119) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839805)

My liquid nitrogen cooled case is the coldest place on earth!

Re:Lies! (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840102)

My liquid nitrogen cooled case is the coldest place on earth!

So, just how did you fit the Chinese in there?

flamebait... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839808)

Yellow popsicles are my FAVORITE!!!

No. (4, Funny)

wankledot (712148) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839809)

"They will also test whether it is suitable for human beings to live in the harsh environment there," he said.

No, it's not.

Next question?

This voyage isn't a joke, it's serious stuff... (5, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839867)

The Chinese aren't going there as a big PR exercise. If you haven't noticed, the Chinese aren't big on grand, meaningless showboating: they do what they do because it furthers their long-term objectives, not because it wins them short-term positive press coverage.

The long-term thinking and objectives behind this sort of expedition is space exploration. If the Chinese can successfully establish a base in one of the least hospitable places on the planet, and overcome the physical, logistical, pyschological and other hurdles that such an endeavour involves, then they will have gained valuable experience and climed another rung up the ladder towards the eventual establishment of a populated lunar or Martian base.

They aren't going there for the scenery, they're going there to take some hard knocks and learn from them.

Screw that (4, Funny)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839945)

if they can survive 3 weeks in Jersey they can take anything else the Universe can dish out.

What, this far into the thread and you weren't expecting cracks about Jersey?

Re:Screw that (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839959)

Read your sig. Your post was evil.

What a dumb attempt at humour.

Re:This voyage isn't a joke, it's serious stuff... (4, Interesting)

stevelinton (4044) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839953)

I don't know if it's particularly the Chinese, but there are serious proposals to site major telescopes at Dome A in the not-so-far future. Thin, still cold dry air makes for excellent seeing in the visible and IR and the cold is a positive advantage for IR work, since it reduces thermal IR in the environment.

It's not the world's easiest spot to ship to (no FedEx service, even) or build at, but it's cheaper than the South pole of the moon, or Earth-Sun L2, which are suggested alternatives.

Re:This voyage isn't a joke, it's serious stuff... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839997)

Yeah, but even if they do accomplish making it hospitable, it'll still be on a 1/5th size scale to what us westerners would need......

Cause they're small..... ... and we're fat....

Re:No. (1)

taj (32429) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839912)


Ya? Well we have been there for ages. We even made a movie about it in 1996!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116282/ [imdb.com]

A FASTER WAY TO REACH WESTERN MARKETS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839837)

Well chinese built the rail road system in the US, creating a way to connect asia with the west through the pole wouldnt sound like a big challenge to them. More bargains for us at least a dvd playes for $5 @ walmart would be a great incentive for this project.

Good for China! (4, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839843)

I mean, really. Look at all the things China is doing vis-a-vis science, technology, exploration, etc. They're like the Soviet Union of the 50's, involved in everything from space exploration to breaking records, to generally advancing its culture and playing a greater role in the world. Just a thought - don't grill me about their deficiencies.

Re:Good for China! (1, Flamebait)

ender81b (520454) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839927)

Heh. The US science and R&D budget is probably bigger than China's whole national budget.

As a matter of fact:
China 2003 (world factbook)
revenues: $265.8 billion
expenditures: $300.2 billion, including capital expenditures of $NA (2003

That would be China's entire National budget. Figures for US

$275 billion - in 2001. Just in Science spending, from here [issues.org] . The US numbers are, of course, including private research - which, btw, is $57 billion in China. We're talking orders of magnitude here :).

Re:Good for China! (1)

Coulson (146956) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839971)

That's scary... the government of the Soviet Union was completely insane during the 50s. (We're talking paranoid batsh*t crazy -- Stalin and then Krushchev.) The USSR was pumping massive resources into publicity stunts and international PR efforts. Meanwhile, internal political oppression and poverty ran rampant. I don't want to see China following in their footsteps.

I hope China is funding this mission for the cause of science, not as part of a PR campaign for the People's March of Progress.

Re:Good for China! (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840096)

That's okay. If China becomes too much like the Soviet Union, just close down all our WalMarts and Toys-R-Us's and their economy would tank like a lead iceberg.

Re:Good for China! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840129)

Likewise was the government of the Soviet Union completely insane, paranoid bullshit crazy, and we did all of the bullshit they did, on top of that... They thought the freakin russians would rain down upon us, and that we'd have to learn Russian. Stalin, yeah he was crazy, and an asshole, but I won't say we were much better in some respects.

Kennedy brought us, in many respects, closer to full-on nuclear war than any president ever; granted, this is '61, and we're talking '50's. But the rationale of the 50's poured over to Kennedy, at least. I'm a democrat, mind you, but I've got to say perhaps it wasn't such a bad thing that this guy got it; 'cause he would have undoubtedly ran for a second term, and might have screwed our international relations even further.

What could've been solved with some simple communication back then, was attempted to be solved by grandstanding. Highly frustrating.

The continuing rise of China. (5, Interesting)

Coryoth (254751) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839849)

China seem to be determined to push boundaries at the moment. Putting a man in orbit is no mean feat. Yes the US did it along time ago, but I don't see them doing it at all at the moment due to the shuttle grounding. Now pushing for the still unexplored regions of the world. I wonder if they have any deep sea missions planned for some time in the next few years. China has definitely decided that they have somethign to prove. The impressive part is that they aren't doing a bad job of proving it.

And this really ought to mildly concern people in the US. Yes the US already has done most of these things or something similar (they have a couple of Antarctic bases, one at the pole I believe). But that's the key point. The US has done such things, but doesn't seem to be expending quite the effort they use to on pushing boundaries of exploration and science. Increasingly it seems to be Chinese and Indians with the real fire to try and push ahead. And all the better I say. The US seemed to slacken off and grow complacent, so its about time there was some serious competition again.

Go China.

(Hopefully they can break new ground sorting out their political issues too)

Jedidiah.

Re:The continuing rise of China. (2, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839998)

"Increasingly it seems to be Chinese and Indians with the real fire to try and push ahead."

The problem is, you just contradicted yourself. They're not pushing ahead. They're replicating the feats of 50 years ago, just as you pointed out. All this has been done before.

You're not pushing ahead until you do something NEW. And the Chinese and Indians haven't done that.

-Erwos

Re:The continuing rise of China. (5, Insightful)

praksys (246544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840037)

There seem to be two responses going:

(1) China/India is now out-pacing the US.
(2) Yawn, they are finally catching up with the USA of the 1950's.

Neither strikes me as justified. The US is still pushing the boundaries of exploration and science in ways that neither country can hope to match any time soon, but that doesn't mean that their efforts count for nothing. Both countries are again making significant contributions to the sum of human achievement and knowledge. We should all be happy about that.

Re:The continuing rise of China. (3, Insightful)

davejenkins (99111) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840058)

The US has done such things, but doesn't seem to be expending quite the effort they use to on pushing boundaries of exploration and science. Increasingly it seems to be Chinese and Indians with the real fire to try and push ahead. And all the better I say. The US seemed to slacken off and grow complacent, so its about time there was some serious competition again.

What the hell are you talking about? The US is pouring billions into research on a myriad of efforts:
1. Robotic missions to Saturn
2. Two (TWO!) golf carts running around ON MARS drilling holes in rocks as I write this
3. cranking out pharmeceuticals at an incredible pace
4. Internet II
5. restoring the everglades
6. Scaled Composites PRIVATE astronauts
7. GPS satellite system (+70 birds)

You may be missing it because most of the really bitchen things done in the US are done by private companies (thank God), but the US govt efforts are still pretty big and pretty kick-ass in my book.

Alternatively, the Chinese are doing things that everyone else did 40 years ago. They aren't pushing a single boundary, ANYWHERE.

Re:The continuing rise of China. (1)

Trent05 (70375) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840117)

I wonder if they have any deep sea missions planned for some time in the next few years.

Looks like they do!! [cnn.com]

One Important Thing... (-1, Flamebait)

ambelamba (771710) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839859)

How do you thaw frozen Chinese? :D

They are?! (1, Redundant)

Shonufftheshogun (620824) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839875)

"Chinese Team Heading for Coldest Spot on Earth"

I didn't know that my ex-wife's heart could be reached by men.

Coldest place on earth? (3, Funny)

strider44 (650833) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839885)

To an Australian living in Sydney, Fremantle is the coldest place on earth!

Oh, really? (1)

sssmashy (612587) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839899)

It is thought to be the coldest place on earth

Apparently those Chinese researchers have never visited Edmonton in January.

Something to warm you up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839916)

You'll arrive before longhorn ships...

Cheapskates (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839918)

You're not even willing to pay for something that could save your life, like medical care that is URGENT. Pat deserves whatever happens to him.

Re:Cheapskates (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839941)

Uh, you're in the wrong story. And shut the fuck up, you insensitive clod.

Air-Drop easier? (2, Insightful)

BrianGa (536442) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839922)

Couldn't they just air-drop the monitoring equipment? Parachutes, the whole nine yards. Almost like they do/did with the Mars rovers.

Re:Air-Drop easier? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839986)

Of course that would be smarter, cheaper, easier, faster and more efficient.

But then how would you get a video of a couple of Chinese, praising their communist leaders while standing next to their flag, at one of the most coldest places on Earth?

Re:Air-Drop easier? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840021)

What we need to do is get there first, establish a secret base there and be there when they show up. Maybe offer em a cup of hot chocolate or something.

Re:Air-Drop easier? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839989)

Silly, parachutes don't work when they're upside down!

Re:Air-Drop easier? (2, Funny)

lachlan76 (770870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839994)

Because then it would slide down the mountain.

Talking of Chinese explorers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10839931)

What happened to the Mount Baigong expedition some years ago? Nothing was heard from them.

http://www.sciforums.com/archive/index.php/t-858 6

Rose! (1)

valmont (3573) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839949)

<jack> yy..yooouu..mm..mmmuust promise me ...yy..you'll never ..ll.lllet go ...

<rose> i'll never let go jack!

*cue music*

Slashdotttttted (1)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 9 years ago | (#10839956)

"In other news, apart from future thoughts about the ribbon breaking, the team was unaware of the slashdot-effect soon to come!"

They're going to visit a lab in Finland? (4, Informative)

bitingduck (810730) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840020)

The coldest spot on earth is in a laboratory in Finland:

http://boojum.hut.fi/Low-Temp-Record.html [boojum.hut.fi]

Dome A is the coldest naturally occuring spot.

Why go to Hillary Clinton's vagina? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840026)

I mean, really...what's the use?

suprised US hasn't already done this. (2, Interesting)

Kiyooka (738862) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840040)

Not trolling, I'm Chinese. Usually the US is fanatical about data-gathering. Thought hottest/coldest places on earth were visited and studied long ago.

Guess despite for all our telecommunications, earth's still pretty damn big.

This the same China? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840041)

This is the same China that's been saber rattling in Asia the past couple of weeks? The one that's been sending submarines into Japanese waters? The one that's been warning Japan of "dire consequences" if Japan does not stop threatening China (umm.. And I thought the North Koreans were paranoid)?

Despite whatever they may do down there in Antarctica, their actions in the geopolitical sphere where things actually matter are not so friendly and come very close to antagonizing and aggravating an already tepid friendship with it and its neighbors. China is a bully and has been doing a little more bullying lately as the US thins its troops out in order to send more people to Iraq to quell the violence there.

Obviously we can't blame the actions of their government on these scientists, but as a nation of peace-loving citizens, it does not make sense that the Australian government would be expending money and energy to help the Chinese in their scientific advance.

Here's a clue (4, Informative)

serps (517783) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840149)

There's a Free Trade Agreement [dfat.gov.au] in the pipeline.

Last Log Entry (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840075)

"Dear diar..r..r..r..ry I am fucking cold and sh..sh..shivering my a

Why travel on foot? (4, Insightful)

Doomsdaisy (90430) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840095)

I'm no aviator, so I don't know why the team has to slog it there on foot. Why can't they simply drop in with a helicopter? I'm sure there's a simple reason I'm overlooking.

No cooling needed! (2, Funny)

nilbog (732352) | more than 9 years ago | (#10840124)

oh man I bet you could overclock like crazy down there!

Webcam of the Trek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840134)

Apparently, they're actually going to have a satellite transmitted webcam of their journey, at least so claims this Yahoo article [yahoo.com] .

Battery....lasts 20 years?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10840148)

Read the article, the original weather station is still running after 20 years, and will continue until its battery runs out. What battery works in -70 degrees celcius and lasts for 20 years? And where can I buy one?
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