×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Codeweaver's Crossover 4.0 Adds iTunes Support

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the productive-of-sloth dept.

Media (Apple) 271

nbahi15 writes "Codeweavers has released v4 of its Wine implementation with the addition of support for iTunes. To quote their web site, 'iTunes works, and can do everything we thought was important; play music, access the store, and sync with an iPod. It can't burn CDs right now, and it has some fairly serious warts (sound is tricky, particularly with 2.6 kernels, and getting the iPod going is hard), but we think it's usable.' Finally I can use the single most important 'productivity' application on Linux."

cancel ×
This is a preview of your comment

No Comment Title Entered

Anonymous Coward 1 minute ago

No Comment Entered

271 comments

Offline version okay with me. (1, Insightful)

CyberThalamus (822198) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846069)

I wouldn't want it to be able to access the store. I don't want bugs to end up charging my credit card. ITunes is already a killer (free) app with apple lossless (yes even on the windows version).

Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846083)

We're shocked I say! Shocked! iShocked even!

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (1)

p4ul13 (560810) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846106)

Funny, though it's more an advertisement for Codeweavers.

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846140)

Codeweavers doesn't have its own Slashdot section and isn't repeatedly featured and fawned over on the front page.

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (1)

Mod Me God (686647) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846180)

Its more like an advert for Linux "look, XXX is available on Linux now too". Even worse that a Linux ad was put in the Apple section.

But its not like /. gives 'Linux' free advertising is it?

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846210)

The whole point of this "article" is to show that iTunes runs on Codeweavers. It's more Slashdot manually masturbating Steve Jobs. Also, as inventor of the "pee pee/poo poo" troll, I thank you for reminding me of it (via your other posts in this thread). You sir are a God among men (or at least slashbots).

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846324)

Yeah, because announcing the functional version of a project to run Apple software is just like handing them free money. Except the software is free to start with. But it does allow people to buy things from Apple. Except, Apple is not really making any money off of the sales. All this does is encourage people to buy ipods from Apple, and discourage them from buying computers from Apple. I can't really see how this is advertising for Apple. Especially given the semi-functional nature of the release. If anything, this probably annoys Apple, since it gives Linux users the ability to run one of their flagship pieces of software in a broken and semi-functional sort of way.

Re:Yet more free advertising for Apple on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846554)

You obviously have trouble with comprehension. I said "free advertising", not "handing them free money". You said it yourself, "is encourage people to buy ipods from Apple", so what part of my post don't you get?

Get off your horse (1)

fracai (796392) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846455)

I'm sick of seeing all the advertising complaints. And I've only been here for 4 frickin months!

Look, not only is the world run by money (yeah, there's OSS and all that, but it doesn't pay the bills (in most cases anyway)) but almost every /. post is gonna involve a commercial endeavor in some way.

Sheesh, and I bet you thought that the previous story about the HL2 servers being overloaded was not only free advertising for Valve, because it gets the name out there, but it was also advertising for Bungie because they're product isn't marred by any such problems.

Re:Get off your horse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846623)

Horse? I thought that was your mother!

Re:what do you mean free? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846501)

of course Apple pays for these stories.

itunes is a monster! (1, Insightful)

ilyanep (823855) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846105)

I wonder if Apple knew that iTunes would become such a big hit when they released it.

Re:itunes is a monster! (1)

Metryq (716104) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846176)

Perhaps it was a test bed for Tiger's "Spotlight" feature? The iTunes library search looks a lot like Spotlight (from a purely interface point of view) -- but what the heck do I know? I'm not a coder.

Re:itunes is a monster! (4, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846182)

Well if they did, you would think they would have tied up the loose ends with Apple Records [forbes.com] before launching it.

Re:itunes is a monster! (1, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846368)

I can't figure out what the big deal is with it. Some really fundamental operations are a pain in the ass with itunes. For instance, if I drop a .m3u on an audio player, I expect it to open the m3u and play the files in order. With itunes, it adds the songs to the library and scatters them around with the other songs. You have to manually create a new playlist and drop the .m3u in there, and it still gets the songs out of order. I'll stick with mplayer.

seriously, this is great news (2, Interesting)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846112)

...I really must say, Rhythmbox is junk. It does about a tenth of the things iTunes does. Besides, Linux users can now buy music. Awesome job, guys!

Re:seriously, this is great news (0, Troll)

eobanb (823187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846343)

argh, look, my intent wasn't to mindlessly knock Rhythmbox...I'm just saying, you can't really call it an iTunes replacement unless it actually does most or all of the things iTunes does. I think that now that iTunes runs on Linux there might be a lot more people inclined to use it...

Re:seriously, this is great news (1)

rogabean (741411) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846451)

Actually I love RhythmBox. It runs very smooth and does what I want it to (I don't use the iPod feature). iTunes to me is a bit much on system resources for me. That said I will probaly fire it up under Crossover now just to see how it runs.

From your perspective, I'm sure... (4, Insightful)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846113)

"It can't burn CDs right now, and it has some fairly serious warts (sound is tricky, particularly with 2.6 kernels, and getting the iPod going is hard), but we think it's usable."

As a developer myself, I know very well that what I think is usable is not always end-user usable. As close as I get to a project, knowing the code inside and out, I tend to miss the big picture stuff. It may sound logical and intuitive in my mind, but it usually takes some testing from non-geeks before I let anyone - especially a client - start using it.

Re:From your perspective, I'm sure... (1)

CerebusUS (21051) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846276)

For iTunes, burning to CD is actually fairly important. When you buy music off the store, the only way to back it up is by burning it off to CD, and since it's DRM-enabled, you _have_ to use iTunes' burning software.

Then I usually re-rip the tracks as DRM-free MP3 files.

Nice and all. But.... (2, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846116)

Does it run as poorly as it does on Windows? Also, are you required to install the nagware called Quick Time? If not then how about a Windows port of Wine so I can run iTunes without QT or the performance problems?

Re:Nice and all. But.... (2, Funny)

outZider (165286) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846159)

I don't know, seems to work just fine for me on Windows. Maybe you should upgrade from that 128mb of RAM you're using on XP? ;)

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846229)

"I don't know, seems to work just fine for me on Windows. Maybe you should upgrade from that 128mb of RAM you're using on XP? ;)"

I've got a gig in my main XP box and iTunes runs slow. Runs fine on my Macintosh however. Not sure what causes the performance problems, but they are well documented even if not everyone sees them.

However, since I have a Rio Karma I dont REALY care too much. iTunes is nice but I just dont like the limiations of the iPod (no Ogg, Flac or gapless playback).

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

outZider (165286) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846257)

Interesting. I'd like to see if other Windows users have noticed performance difficulties. I haven't, but "I haven't" doesn't mean a damn thing. ;)

I've been happy with Apple Lossless and my iPod, but those Karma's are pretty nice. :D

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846305)

"I've been happy with Apple Lossless and my iPod, but those Karma's are pretty nice. :D"

The only thing I regret about the Karma is that the only case I could find is hand made by Vaja leather and cost 75$. Ah well, looks nice in its case [vajacases.com] .

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846339)

Interesting. I'd like to see if other Windows users have noticed performance difficulties.

I have. 1.5 GHz Centrino with 512M ram. iTunes is an absolute PIG on this otherwise speedy system.

Re:Nice and all. But.... (5, Informative)

jeremy_white (598942) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846197)

I'm glad someone else said this...when I said it [codeweavers.com] I figured folks would think I was just whining (although we are the Whine guys :-/).

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

VultureMN (116540) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846378)

While you're at it, you wanna make Embarcadero ERStudio run on wine? That freakin' software is the only reason I had to buy and install VMWare on this machine; I'm using Crossover for the other Windows stuff I have to use.

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

vinn (4370) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846506)

By the way, that "someone else" was Jeremy White - the CEO of CodeWeavers.

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

LittLe3Lue (819978) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846221)

You dont need a windows port of Wine, you need to run linux in windows.

Windows -> VMWare -> Linux-> Wine -> ITunes ...If thats what you want. But if you ask me, its pointless.

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846255)

"You dont need a windows port of Wine, you need to run linux in windows."

I didn't think VNC could map firewire devices.

Re:Nice and all. But.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846361)

QT is required. That's what actually plays for audio.

SyncPod (5, Informative)

mrfibbi (695943) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846147)

get Syncpod (http://armin.emx.at/ipod/). Neat little perl script that syncs a directory of music and m3u playlists into the ipod. Works great for anyone who likes keeping music organized by directory and id3 tag and not by any particular program.

Re:SyncPod (1)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846363)

Good reference, I'm not sure why this is a big deal. There are so many GUI CD burning aplications on Linux (K3B, Arson, etc.), music players with library management (amaroK, RhythmBox, Zinf, Muine, etc.), and programs to sync with the iPod (as you mentioned). I suppose iTMS may be valued for some, but with the CD burning and audio not working well, it will be hard to listen to any tunes you buy from their outside of an iPod.

more than syncpod (2)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846561)

CrossOver Office Professional 4.0 - 2004/11/15

New application support:

Support for iTunes and iTMS. Limited iPod support; drivers for ripping
are not supported.

SyncPod + more burners than you can imagine + online music stores like besonic [besonic.de]


Support for Adobe FrameMaker 7.1

Support for QuickTime 6.5.2
Reviewed plugin support: removed some, updated others


Mplayer,xine,plugger, kmplayer etc....

Application bug fixes:

Office:

Fixed a bug that was causing IE to crash when a 'favorite' was added
Fixed a bug that prevented Office 2000 and Project from being installed
together
Some bugfixes for Outlook 2000
Fixed a bug that prevented WMP from playing local media files


OpenOffice,KOffice at a push etc..

Quicken:

Cleaned up Quicken installation process
Fixed several Quicken bugs
Reviewed and improved Quicken 2004 support
kmymoney &co

Others:

Fixed Dreamweaver uninstallation
Fixed several DreamWeaver bugs
Fixed installation problems with Scientific Word

CrossOver changes and improvements:

Installation:

Fixed several CrossOver installation and uninstallation issues
Improved CrossOver upgrade support
Fixed a bug that caused the menu database to be erased when
additional office components (such as the Equation Editor)
were added
Improved menu support for (among others) Suse 9.2 and Fedora Core 3
knoppix, many a live cd or Fedora Core, Gentoo etc..

Officesetup:

Added the 'Control Panel' tab to OfficeSetup
Improved officesetup startup time
Several improvements to OfficeSetup user interface; fixed keyboard
navigation
Fixed uninstallation of unsupported software
Solved a bug that sometimes corrupted downloadable installers
emerge openoffice-bin

So it looks like you get dreamweaver and Framemaker support for your$, and if you don't need those, send you $ to one of the projects you do use and would like to see improved.

sweet (1)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846153)

more and more reasons to move to Linux - lets hope they can fix the cd writing function

Re:sweet (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846270)

First their gonna have to fix the entire way cd burning works with linux. Its simply not done in the same way that cd burning is done on windows. To emulate the windows cd burning API your really going to have to write new cdburning drivers/software. This is slightly a good thing though as it could help other programs.

Re:sweet (1)

spotter (5662) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846360)

no, all you have to do is provide an aspi layer to the the cd device. would require correct perms on the device, but should be doable if someone really cared to do it.

Re:sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846391)

please explain to me how this hack to running itunes is one more reason to use linux? if you want to run itunes, use a mother fing mac or windows pc. linux has many itunesish programs, albiet no music store, but its not that big of a deal. there are plenty of reasons to use linux, if itunes is holding you back, please seek help.

No it's not... (1)

lxt (724570) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846415)

Although it's great that iTunes is ported to Linux, I'd never call it a "reason to move". It's ridiculous to say "Use this OS, because now we've managed to get another program from another OS to sort of work". See, if Apple created iTunes for Linux - that might just be a reason to move. But I'd hardly call this a "reason". It's more a convenience for those already on the platform...there are far more friendly music players for Linux, and there are ways of syncing the iPod under Linux that don't involve iTunes. The only thing you gain is the access to the iTunes music store...

Fantastic (2, Funny)

spidereyes (599443) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846155)

although I'm a little concerned with how difficult this will be to get working how I'd like it. I have a Windows partition strictly for iTunes and I'd like to dump it and move on with life.

Now if they just get Clippy support I'd be as happy as a pig in slop.

Usable or executable? (4, Insightful)

TimmyDee (713324) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846165)

"iTunes works, and can do everything we thought was important; play music, access the store, and sync with an iPod. It can't burn CDs right now, and it has some fairly serious warts (sound is tricky, particularly with 2.6 kernels, and getting the iPod going is hard), but we think it's usable."

So does it work or not? Here's my translation: "iTunes will now launch under WINE. Do not expect to listen to your music, burn CDs, sync with the iPod easily, or in short, do anything iTunes does."

Seriously though, I applaud their effort. It's just that saying iTunes works under WINE when it doesn't really work all that well is a bit of false advertising. If it gets more programmers on the bandwagon, good for them, but I'd hate to see people get turned off by (what sounds to be) a bad experience.

Re:Usable or executable? (1)

digerata (516939) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846238)

Wish I had mod points now. I was just going to reply and make the exact same comment.

When some of the prime features of the software don't work, you can't exactly say the app is supported.

But it is way cool that iTunes music store is working. Keep up the good work guys, but don't jump the gun on integration announcements.

Re:Usable or executable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846362)

Why is this modded "Funny"?

Only on slashdot... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846461)

Will someone who never used iTunes under Cxoffice 4 get modded up +5.

I have cxoffice 4 and you can listen to music, add stuff to the library (though it is mighty slow, took half an hour to add 4 gigs of mp3s), and you can go on the iTunes music store (Which works very well btw). I used the cxitunespreview which ran iTunes, and they have improved the performance greatly. You can actually listen to music through iTunes now, and performance is drastically improved over the cxitunespreview. Sure, it's not like running it in windows. But it's quite fast.

They're going to be releasing another version soon which should help the cpu usage go down for iTunes (currently some kind of garbage iTunes is spewing is causing cxoffice to use 100% cpu, they think it's some kind of timing hack used by apple... Hey, windows/x86 isn't apple's primary platform, so I wouldn't be surprised).

All in all a nice product. Also soon they will be adding firewire support to the cxipod (currently only usb is supported, and my 4G ipod doesn't like usb on linux). But then I use gtkpod and am perfectly happy with that (I can transfer all the mp4's I get off of iTunes).

Re:Usable or executable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846509)

It is currently rated [codeweavers.com] bronze in their app database. "This application installs, runs, and can accomplish some portion of its fundamental mission."

This does mean that the next release will probably raise it to silver rating.

I hate ITunes (0, Flamebait)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846185)

Why are you all so in love with a bloated proprietary app whose only real function is to copy plain old files to what should be a plain old portable drive, but is instead another proprietary chunk of hardware?

Where are all the hackers and geeks these days, anyways? I like using my own scripts to copy and file and sort all my data.

Re:I hate ITunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846212)

Im thinking it's because we are lazy.

Re:I hate ITunes (1)

LEgregius (550408) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846254)

You know, the whole annoyance with the iPod file transfer and the music industry garbage gets on my nerves, but man iTunes is just really nice to use. I don't have an iPod anyway.

Re:I hate ITunes (5, Insightful)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846288)

Where are all the hackers and geeks these days, anyways? I like using my own scripts to copy and file and sort all my data.

Probably working on more important things, since iTunes does its job really well and saves me untold hours of time, freeing me up to work on other projects besides maintaining a music collection.

Re:I hate ITunes (1)

qcubed (655212) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846376)

winamp does the same thing for me, and doesn't take up as much memspace.

oh, and it also has really nice features which itunes doesn't have... like NOT LOADING services i don't need into memory.

Re:I hate ITunes (0, Offtopic)

jared_hanson (514797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846407)

Mac OS X does the same thing as Wndows for me, and doesn't take up as much memspace. Oh, and it also has really nice features which Windows doesn't have... like NOT LOADING services I don't need into memory. I could go on and on and on here.

Sounds like its time for you to make the switch to Mac OS X.

Re:I hate ITunes (1)

qcubed (655212) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846488)

*cough*

my default box uses gentoo [gentoo.org]

when i use windows, i prefer to keep it as free of bloat as possible: hence, i turn most services off by default (you can do that, you know, with some tips from places such as blackviper's guide [blackviper.com] ). because i eschew bloat, overburdening memspace, and a rather ugly interface, even for windows, i avoid crapware like itunes/windows.

leave it to a machead fanboi to assume certain things about other users and blindly try to convert others to their side by confusing a media player and an operating system.

What like? (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846416)

what like, making ITunes run on linux, ish, with a bit of a tweek here and there, if you don't want to burn cd's.

Re:I hate ITunes (4, Insightful)

Ignignot (782335) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846423)

Oh we're not in love with it at all. In fact, us hackers and geeks have quietly been scripting automatic posts to slashdot. The reasons we are doing this are two:

reason the first: we are practicing to beat the turing test, and feel that slashdot is full conversations that come close to beating the turing test, so this is good practice.

reason the second: we are lazy.

The current problem is that any story regarding iPods or iTMS creates a flood of posts about how much we love apple. This is being corrected but it will take some time to figure out the love apple / hate apple logic. I really shouldn't be telling you this because it is funny watching the few people who actually try to have conversations on slashdot, but I decided to give someone a hint to see if everyone else catches on or not.

For an example of an all script-generated conversation, look here [slashdot.org] . As you can see we've gotten quite good at using markov chains to produce seemlying meaningful responses without actually contributing everything. We have some troubles with grammar and spelling but that's alright because so do the people we're imitating. Anyway I hope someday you join in the fun! Really me, -Ignignot

Wha? (4, Insightful)

Have Blue (616) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846199)

"iTunes works, and can do everything we thought was important; play music, access the store, and sync with an iPod."

"sound is tricky, particularly with 2.6 kernels, and getting the iPod going is hard"

So... Which one is it? How was this ready for release again?

how much better than the itunes preview? (2, Interesting)

humuhumunukunukuapu' (678704) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846208)

i guess i will find out when i get home. it was neat to see itunes running in suse without the aid of vmware, but i could basically only get it to launch...beyond that it was either frozen or really slow...basically useless.

but with their friendly upgrade policy i will be trying out 4.0 soon. they seem like a nice company. ahh, one day itunes will run flawlessly under linux, and that will be a GREAT day!

Running itunes? (1, Offtopic)

u-235-sentinel (594077) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846215)

I'd be more interested in whether it can run HL2 or Counterstrike Source myself. Anybody hear if this works yet?

Re:Running itunes? (1)

sh1ftay (822471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846264)

This is crossover, meant for applications, not games. If you want to run windows games like this, go check out Cedega/WineX.

Re:Running itunes? (4, Informative)

jwnewman (255304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846278)

http://www.codeweavers.com/site/compatibility/brow se/name?app_id=206

Steam does work in CrossOver, but due to the lack of DirectX 9 support, Half-Life 2 does not work yet. On the bright side, all the Half-Life 1 engine games do.

Re:Running itunes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846556)

ROFLMAO!

Offtopic? As if Crossover wasn't the topic

ROFLMAO!

So let me get this straight... (5, Funny)

mogrify (828588) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846220)

Hmmm... It plays music, and syncs with the iPod, but sound is tricky, and getting the iPod working is hard...

Oh well, I guess you'd expect some problems with running an app designed for Mac on a Windows emulation layer on a Linux box -- come to think of it, it's amazing it works at all! Nice job guys.

Earlier news.com story... (4, Informative)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846231)

dated Aug 2 here [com.com] . Apparently the preview version has been available to CrossOver Office customers for a while.

Where is Apple in all of this? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846244)

Why doesn't Apple support a Linux version of iTunes natively? I mean come on, 99+% of all open source Linux apps can run natively on OS X now, so where is the reciprocal good will towards the Linux community from Apple?

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846320)

---
I mean come on, 99+% of all open source Linux apps can run natively on OS X now, so where is the reciprocal good will towards the Linux community from Apple?
---

When I can run WINE on my Mac

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846382)

Ummm.... now?

http://darwine.opendarwin.org/

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (4, Insightful)

LEgregius (550408) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846329)

It was a pretty big undertaking to port it to windows. Porting it to linux will be no easier because the UI on itunes in written in carbon. Apple would also want it to look EXACTLY the same like the windows version does, with mac scrollbars and such. Aside from that, sound is still a bit of a headache in linux and burning audio cd's requires root privileges.
On that note, I don't think apple really likes writing ANYTHING for a platform other than mac, so they had to have a lot of incentive to write something for windows, which is mass marketshare and the possibility of having tons more music store and ipod sales. Neither of those incentives really exist on the Linux platform. Also, they would have to port Quicktime as well, I would guess.

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (1)

flamingnight (234353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846519)

iTunes for Windows was a pretty big undertaking, but made easier by the fact that QuickTime had already been ported and along with it a good bit of Carbon API code. Having this resource already ported with QuickTime made porting iTunes a little less trickier.
Porting iTunes to Linux wouldn't have this benefit.

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (1)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846399)

Why doesn't Apple support a Linux version of iTunes natively?

Because of all the fuss with different distros, libraries etc. I imagine. Plus there's always the fact that the desktop Linux market is not really that significant yet.

However, I do think it would make sense for Apple to contribute to the WINE project and ensure their Windows port of iTunes runs there. What harm could that do them? They'd lose Microsoft's co-operation...?

Personally I wouldn't expect a Linux native port any time soon. But keeping it going in WINE, well...there's a proposition for them.

Cheers,
Ian

Re:Where is Apple in all of this? (5, Informative)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846499)

I mean come on, 99+% of all open source Linux apps can run natively on OS X

This is the difference. iTunes is not an open source app. It heavily uses proprietary code (Carbon) derived from the classic MacOS (9 and earlier). They would have to port that API to linux before they could port the app. That would be a large effort considering the small market share of Linux. Porting to Windows was a bit easier as there was a huge opportunity to expand iTMS and iTunes revenues, and they had already ported Carbon to Windows.

Why Bother? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846251)

Why not just buy a Mac and have done with it? You will save hours of wasted time and get a usuable computer at the end of it. I suppose I'll be labelled a troll for pointing out this very obvious truth. You could buy a very cheap second PC for your 'R&D' work with shareware OSs like Linux and BSD, and you would be able to fall back on the Mac when you needed things to 'just work'.


It amazes me that people invest all their energy in getting iTunes working on Linux, when you still can't cut-n-paste between apps and there is no kernel support for XML yet!!!

Re:Why Bother? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846472)

Amen.

I just bought a G3 Mac that runs 10.3.5 surprisingly well.... for $150. After fighting with Linux for years at home, I finally decided my time was worth a hell of a lot more than the price of a Mac.

Use Gtkpod (1, Informative)

atmos (145348) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846268)

Let's all emulate windows software when we actually have feasible solutions for Linux! Wait...

It works with your ipod, it works with xmms, and it works in 2.4 and 2.6.

Gtkpod [sf.net]

Re:Use Gtkpod (1)

sh1ftay (822471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846289)

Too bad gtkpod takes about 10 minutes just to READ the songs from the ipod, before you can even do anything. It's syncing is also incredibly slow, and very inefficient.

Re:Use Gtkpod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846332)

But it's an open source project. You are not allowed to complain about it. If there is a problem, send a code patch.

Re:Use Gtkpod (1)

Krojack (575051) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846387)

Although reading the iTunesDB is kind of slow.. its no 10 minutes, at least not for me. Takes maybe 3 minutes to read 3500 songs from the iTunesDB. Other then that its rather fast (if you have USB 2.0) and I have never had a problem. I feel it lacks a few options such as support for ID3v2 (or extended ID3v2 like the iTunes). Threaded support would be a plus also.

Re:Use Gtkpod (4, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846434)

Let's all emulate windows software when we actually have feasible solutions for Linux!

No kidding, especially since XMMS, Rhythmbox, Amarok and Juk all natively support the DRMed AAC files that you buy from iTMS. Oh, wait...

I couldn't care less about Yet Another Music Player. I could get interested in a working client for the world's largest online music store, though.

worthless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846300)

rythmbox + gtkpod + bittorrent = codeweavers wasting time on buggy crap.

In other news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10846319)

...a scramjet was installed in a Freightliner. It fits, but it doesn't run well, yet.

It's not exactly news when a music player plays crappy sound in Linux. It's a neat ghetto-rig, but it's not news until it works well.

Re:In other news... (1)

LEgregius (550408) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846372)

I don't think anyone would argue that it's news if some open source hacker got it working. The fact that they have it, say, 80% there, thus proving they are working on it, is worth knowing for a lot of us.

Simuated iPod (2, Insightful)

Nebulaeus (459722) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846341)

Frankenwine apps are never a good replacement for the Real Thing(TM). I played the WineX game for a while and it sucked. Apple needs to get off their collective arses and port iTunes to Linux.

Apple talks about a new way of sharing music, appealing to our sense of "karma" to encourage us not to steal. Yet they leave Linux desktop users in the cold. This seems somewhat disingenuous to me.

I would be excited about the iTunes music store launching in Canada (finally), if it wasn't for the fact that it won't work in my operating system of choice.

Do Linux users have any legal recourse in listening to digital music at the moment?

Re:Simuated iPod (1)

Chris_Rank (762224) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846482)

Blah Blah Blah, [Insert Software Company here] is bad cause they don't port to Linux, come on, get a clue. Apple is supposed to devote valuable time and resources to support a small minority of sysadmins that haven't switched to a mac yet? Go out and buy a 999.00 iBook and run iTunes that way, as well as Office, Adobe apps, Macromedia apps, etc. etc. etc. Jeeze.

Goodies to Come? I hope? (1)

Onimaru (773331) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846350)

Well, this is nice. I personally use a Mac, so I don't have much invested in the whole "I wish I could run iTunes" thing, but it's still nice. I might end up getting some good utility out of it even, if the music sharing functionality is intact.

What I'm really jazzed about, though, is that serious effort is being expended in multimedia (oooh, dated buzzword! kill him!) application compatibility. These are the areas that not only wine is lacking in, but also linux in general. The fact is that sound is tricky...even on the OS level. Not a problem for geeks like us, but it is for the proverbial "my grandma." I'm psyched to see where else this code takes us and what other fun things will be runnable in the near future, now that the 800 lb. gorilla of tough integration is being tackled.

opposits attract? (0, Troll)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846392)

Well there's linux, free, open etc...
and there's ITunes, closed, drm,
expensive ($1 for a track that has 1/10 the value of a cd track), and possibly illeagal.
How in xyz years time when the copyright on the DRM track I've perchased runs out can I put the work into the public domain?

Not ready for iTunes on my debian system yet (4, Insightful)

m2bord (781676) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846467)

I'm just not convinced that I need to buy digital music. I'll keep on buying cd's, ripping them and storing them on my media server.

I just don't see the advantage in downloading music.

When you download from any source, legit or not, you're not in control of how the file was extracted.

The bit rate may not be what you wanted, there is always the possibility of some digital artifacts during playback, and i'm just not comfortable with it.

Plus, I don't own an iPod. I don't think I want one. I'm quite happy with my CD based MP3 player which uses CDRW's.

I can put 10 hours worth of music on one disc and it works nicely.

Besides I like to be in control of my music and my gear and I don't like when I can't replace the battery like the way the iPod is setup.

hmmm....... (1)

grolschie (610666) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846487)

Now how come iTunes can install and run Codeweavers Crossover 4.0, yet won't install on Win98SE/ME?

I say what??? (2, Funny)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846511)

Finally I can use the single most important 'productivity' application on Linux.

Someone's got their priorities seriously out of kilter here...

As an actual paying customer (3, Insightful)

hab136 (30884) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846582)

let me say that Crossover lets me do the one thing I need to - run Microsoft crap. Outlook, Word, Excel, Visio, and Solomon (an accounting/timecard application).

I'd use Evolution - but we're on Exchange 5.5 and I can't use the calendar (very important).

I do use OpenOffice also, but sometimes you actually do need the real deal, for crazy marked-up contracts with goofy checkboxes and whatnot. It's good to be able to open network diagrams in Visio. Also, I like to fill in my timecard so I get paid. :)

Obviously, the situation is not ideal, but it lets me run Linux at work, which is vastly helpful to actually doing my job. It's just that all the other junk associated with having a job - HR, Legal, etc kind of things - require me to have Microsoft products.

Uh huh (3, Interesting)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#10846611)

In other news, Linux is finally ready for the desktop!!

Oh wait, it still doesn't run the apps that regular end-users want. Oh well.

As an aside, I was reading a very funny Usenet discussion I had in *1996* (!!), where someone was saying that Linux was almost ready for the desktop, and I said (paraphrase), "I'll meet you back here in 10 years and I predict that we'll have an interesting Linux product, but it will lag behind the commercial market in critical ways."

Only eight years later, but yup. An interesting product that still can't do what normal users want to do.

(I'd post the real discussion -- it's pretty funny -- but it was under my real name, heh). You could cut and paste the discussion today and no one would know it was from 1996. It's hysterical.

Load More Comments
Slashdot Account

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Don't worry, we never post anything without your permission.

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>
Sign up for Slashdot Newsletters
Create a Slashdot Account

Loading...