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PSP Site Launches, Launch Titles Confirmed

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the i-said-lunch-not-launch dept.

Portables (Games) 193

The Official PSP Website has launched with details on the system and games. GamesIndustry.biz has a list of the PSP Japanese Launch Titles we can expect when the system hits retailers. From the Article: With just over three weeks to go until the PlayStation Portable launches in Japan, Sony has revealed that buyers will have six games to choose from on day one, with around 20 games total due out before the end of December."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855854)

w00t?

question (1)

jrwillis (306262) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855866)

Will these things be region locked, or can I order on from the Japanese release and play US games on it when they are released on this side of the pond?

Re:question (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855910)

Since nobody has one in their hands yet and even if they did there would only be JP games to test on, there are only rumors to go by, but the "word on the street" is that the movie playing aspect will obey region locking, but that the games will not

Re:question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855929)

Unfortunatly, I'm sure it will be region locked :-(

Re:question (2, Informative)

pcosta (236434) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856561)

Movies will be region locked. Games won't.

Re:question (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856747)

"Will these things be region locked, or can I order on from the Japanese release and play US games on it when they are released on this side of the pond?"

Why? Do you want to transfer PSP over P2P?

Re:question (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#10857054)

If you have broadband, you could transfer PSP over P2P, PDQ.

gmail invites from Michael Oconnor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855886)

PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (0, Troll)

codergeek42 (792304) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855951)

DO NOT CLICK THEM

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855961)

Yes they are. See the little [google.com] titles? That means they are legitimate.

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856013)

People that fall for that line of reasoning deserve what they get.

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856032)

I just used one of the links to create a gmail invite. People who are so paranoid that they think everyone is out to get them deserve to be called stupid.

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856123)

They worked fine for me.

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (1)

Khaotix (229171) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856204)

uhm
see the links pointing to

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http:// ny ud.info

?

It's a legit link to google and all but it's a redirect from there.

Re:PARENT LINKS ARE NOT GMAIL INVITES (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856275)

You must have a virus on your computer becuase the links look normal to me.

MOD ABUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856385)

OK, I understand this is offtopic (Why was the grandparent not modded down then?), but I seriously did look at the link and I don't see the same thing he claims to. How am I a troll?

Translation (5, Informative)

ect5150 (700619) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855887)

Re:Translation (4, Funny)

cyklo (795952) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855947)

Personally, I can't wait for "Mah-jongg grapple club".

Re:Translation (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856035)

I love when Babelfish leaves out a couple of japanese words in... ;-)

It is anywhere and the _ does the _

Kinda leaves some suspense on whether this is an action game or one of them japanese erotic games ;-)

Re:Translation (5, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856430)

Actually, "Mah-Jongg Fight Club" is the original name of the game. I've seen it in Japanese arcades. You "fight" on-line.

Of course, I just violated the first rule of Mah-Jongg Fight Club...

Shaun who?! (3, Funny)

RicochetRita (581914) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856766)

Interestingly enough, Babelfish translates the page's title as:

PSP(TM)(place t Shaun Portable)

R3

Beautiful! (2, Insightful)

kc0re (739168) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855903)

BLOCKED BY WEBSENSE. What would really be cool, although not very... ergonomic is if we could bring our memory cards and Playstation games that already exist and play them on the machine.

Re:Beautiful! (1)

carrett (671802) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856043)

Hehe, have you read Maddox [thebestpag...iverse.net] 's websense fiasco. It is, as usual entertaining. More on topic: I'm so glad that my parents didn't let me play video games when I was a kid because it's that much more exciting when all the new games/systems come out as an adult. Seriously, I'm already fairly strongly addicted to HL2. Games are good, they give us something to look forward to. PS, I like your sig.

Mah Jong? (5, Funny)

Cowclops (630818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855918)

A third of the release day games are mahjong.

I guess those Japanese GOTTA have their mahjong.

Re:Mah Jong? (2, Funny)

error502 (694533) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856021)

It's not just mahjong; it's a mahjong *fight club*. Now you know that's intense.

Re:Mah Jong? (1, Redundant)

Joe Random (777564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856073)

It's not just mahjong; it's a mahjong *fight club*. Now you know that's intense.

The first rule of Mahjong Fight Club is - you do not talk about Mahjong Fight Club.
The second rule of Mahjong Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Mahjong Fight Club.

Re:Mah Jong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856088)

Kailan beats you with a 'dragon' mahjong playing piece.
You take 1 damage.

You hit Kailan with a 'fern' mahjong playing piece.
Kailan takes 1 damage.

Kailan throws a 'tree' mahjong playing piece.
You throw a 'tree' mahjong playing piece.
You gain 30 experience.

Re:Mah Jong? (1)

Phibz (254992) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856407)

Weren't you paying attention? Whats the first rule of mahjong fight club? You do not talk about mahjong fight club.

Sorry Adam.

Re:Mah Jong? (2, Funny)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856148)

It's not just mahjong. It's widescreen mahjong!

Competition is good (3, Interesting)

MinusBlindfold (775913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855921)

in this particular market.... Its pretty much just been Nintendo Gameboy in the mainstream... its good to see a name (Sony) that everyone is familiar with finally breaking into it. Hopefully this will cause pressure to reduce pricing of systems overall. I believe the new system coming from Nintendo will have a similar number of launch titles. The pressure is on.

Re:Competition is good (4, Interesting)

Goldfinger7400 (630228) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856051)

How exactly is this going to drive down pricing? The nintendo has always been priced very affordably. Plus, these PSP games are like $50 bucks while Nintendo DS games are $30, according to EBGames. As for launch numbers, I'm not terribly excited about any of that list for the PSP (albeit I'm not Japanese) whilst the Nintendo has Mario at launch! and tons more next!

My prediction: PSP = GameGear = nGage = flop.

EBGames just makes prices up. (2, Insightful)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856585)

If I remember right they were showing DS games at $50 as well until Nintendo actually announced American prices for them. They'll probably do the same for PSP games until Sony starts announcing American prices. That won't be for a long time.

Does anyone know, does the Japanese site linked here say anything about game prices?

Re:Competition is good (1)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856053)

Oh yah, like Atari (Lynx) and Sega (Game Gear) and don't forget NeoGeo (Pocket [Color]).

This will surely get squashed.

Re:Competition is good (1)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856145)

It's all about battery life. No handheld has ever came close to the Gameboy.

You'd figure the GameGear/Lynx came out what, 15 years ago...they'd have figured out how to get 10-20 hours of out of the damn things by now.

Maybe Duracell/Energizer should give these away, and then make the profit on the battery sales.

Re:Competition is good (3, Insightful)

real_smiff (611054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856226)

they could, but they can't resist the tempation to put bigger processors in 'em. only Nintendo seems to have the discipline to balance speed with battery life properly (& realistically).

Re:Competition is good (5, Interesting)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856250)

You'd figure the GameGear/Lynx came out what, 15 years ago...they'd have figured out how to get 10-20 hours of out of the damn things by now.

Anyone use a laptop back in 1990?

$3,000. 2MB RAM. 386 processor. 40MB HD. 640x400 CGA screen. 2 inches thick, 10lbs, and you'd be lucky to get anywhere near 2 hours battery life out of the thing.

What are todays laptops like?

Half the cost. half a gig of ram. 1.5ghz processor. 60GB HD. 1200x800 screen. 1 inch thick. 4 lbs. 5 hours battery life. Integrated sound, DVD drives, wireless networking...

You'd figure we'd have some pretty decent handhelds by now. We're better off emulating SNES games on our PocketPCs.

Re:Competition is good (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856750)

Please let me know what laptop you are using that gets 5 hours of battery life.

You are remembering the laptop in 1990 as actual battery life and new ones for advertised battery life. I still only get about 2 hours from any laptop.

If only I could read Japanese (1)

kuwan (443684) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855927)

Then I might be able to learn a bit more about it on its official website. Does anyone have a translation that isn't taken from BabelFish or some other lame auto translation site? I'd like to know all the official specs and stuff.

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Gmail invites from Michael O'Connor (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855930)

Re:Gmail invites from Michael O'Connor (1)

Mr.Dippy (613292) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856420)

Horrendous! I knew it was trick but I had to bite. Shame on me. Some sick puppy here will probably mod you as insightful.

Ahh! (1)

NetNinja (469346) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855940)

Let the hacking begin!

launches in japan.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855943)

Oh boy! I can't wait to pre-order such classic titles as - Piposaru Academia: Dossari Saru-gee Daizenshuu!

Seriously, where are the *REAL* games that don't involve pink lizards that use magical space eggs that spread love to an all-girl japanese school?

Re:launches in japan.. (1, Funny)

Trigun (685027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856071)

There are other types of games?

I for one would love to have my pink lizard spreading love to an all-girl japanese school.

What's your definition of fun?

Re:launches in japan.. (4, Insightful)

oberondarksoul (723118) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856100)

"Real" games? What do you mean by that? If I were to tell you that I'd developed a game where a fat plumber collects mushrooms and jumps on turtles, you'd probably react the same way, yet Mario's one of the most popular series of games that's ever been released. Wait until you actually see the game in action before you pass judgement.

not impressed (4, Insightful)

acvh (120205) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855950)

The games available at release and soon after do not look very interesting. Granted that the Japanese have different tastes in gaming, but other than Metal Gear it's a pretty bland list. I'm sure that the US launch will look quite different.

And is it just me, or is this recent trend toward "Sponsored Links" a real pain in the ass? When I see text in an article that is a link I expect it to be relevant, not a redirect to a merchant site.

Metal Gear Acid == Card Battle Game (2, Insightful)

getch(); (164701) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856036)

I'm not really sure what the fascination is with card game simulations, but so it goes. Then again, maybe I shouldn't knock it until I play it.

Mod Parent Up (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856458)

He's right, MGA's fighting component is a card game [konamijpn.com] . Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, but it's not going to be the kind of MG game Americans are used to.

Re:not impressed (1)

JimTheta (115513) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856184)

The games available at release and soon after do not look very interesting.

Bullspit they don't! Mahjong Fight Club? I have no idea what this game could be about, but it sure sounds interesting to me! (I acknowledge that interesting does not necessarily equal fun.)

Bland? (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856489)

Bland? Bland? Compared to what, Mario and Metroid? We could consider those "bland": just another franchise release, right?

Armored Core? Ridge Racers? Vampire Chronicles? One of those has to appeal on opening day. (Or maybe Golf or Mahjong, but those seem like obviously low-end titles.) Then there's Dynasty Warriors, Metal Gear, Puzzle Bobble, Puyo Puyo, NFSU, and Tiger Woods. Those are big names we recognize over here; some of the Japanese titles might be big names over there, too. Add on top of that other PSP originals Ren Goku and The Gagharv, both of which look to be awesome, and you've got a killer lineup. Compared to the PS2's US launch, that's amazing.

Compared to the DS launch, that's amazing.

Re:Bland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856604)

Just keep telling yourself that...

Uh huh... (1, Flamebait)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855952)

Ok...raise your hand if you actually think this has a chance in hell of actually beating Game Boy.

Didn't think so.

I think this will go the way of the N-Gage, and Atari Lynx: *Bing* Thank you for playing.

Gameboy has the games, the market, the shelf-space, and the name recognition. And to top it all off, it's a good product. If the DS is going to ship with the perpetuating network, as has been hinted, it will be unstoppable.

That's all /soapbox

Re:Uh huh... (4, Insightful)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856012)

Go back a decade.

Raise your hand if you think Playstation can beat Nintendo. It has the games, the shelf-space, and the name recognition. And to top it all off, its a good product.

Never underestimate the consumer. I don't think this generation of PSP will woo over customers, but I think its got a shot after a generation or two...

The difference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856417)

The difference is that Sony beat nintendo with a 3rd gen console both in launch date and price point.

This time, Nintendo is first and is cheaper.

Combined with the installed based of GBA (DS is backwards compatible) DS will simply be the winner here.

Handheld gaming will not take off with people over the age of 18. And please spare me the "but I'm 23 and I play on the bus to McDonalds where I work", because you're atypical. These things are for kids.

Re:Uh huh... (2, Insightful)

dead sun (104217) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856457)

*Raises hand* I didn't doubt it for a second when I first played an N64. The first playstation was a decent system. The N64 is the nintendo system I don't own because everything about it sucked. The graphics sucked. The controller was the most awkward thing in the world. The only thing I'll give it is the lack of need for a multi-tap, but four player games didn't seem that common. Sony brought new and good things to the table with the playstation, Nintendo failed to do so with the N64.

Look at the PS2, it has backwards compatibility with a huge and successful playstation library, and improves on what was good about the first playstation. The hardware doesn't suck. The controllers are decent. There's a good set of games.

Now, turn it around and look at the game boy and the PSP. The PSP hardware looks like it's going to eat batteries in no time flat. Remember the Game Gear? The PSP has no library. It's PS2 vs. Game Cube with the big N on the winning side this time. The PSP is just another Sega Game Gear or Atari Lynx. Nothing special, plain old portable with fancy graphics and no battery life. The DS brings fantastic innovation, like the wireless networking. We'll see about the second screen, but it's at least a move towards something creative.

No, I think Sony's going to stick their hand into the portable market with the PSP and pull back a bloody stump this first go around. They may go back for more, but I think it's going to take a while for them to gain any critical mass. The only hope that Sony has right now of quick entry and dominance is for Nintendo to put out another N64 into the handheld market. I don't think that's going to happen this generation.

Re:Uh huh... (4, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856772)

Now, turn it around and look at the game boy and the PSP. The PSP hardware looks like it's going to eat batteries in no time flat. Remember the Game Gear? The PSP has no library. It's PS2 vs. Game Cube with the big N on the winning side this time. The PSP is just another Sega Game Gear or Atari Lynx. Nothing special, plain old portable with fancy graphics and no battery life. The DS brings fantastic innovation, like the wireless networking. We'll see about the second screen, but it's at least a move towards something creative.

I generally agree with your points - although there are a two great big caveats worth pointing out that might change the game.

Convergence - my pet theory is that the PSP is not designed simply to take on the DS in the game space, but also the iPod/MP3 player market, the nascent portable video market, and some of the wireless gadget market. Of course it is way overpowered to compete with the oh-so-simple GameBoy, but that's a hint right there. The PSP has 802.11, and will play MP3 format. These are big design decisions from Sony's point of view, particularly the MP3 support as up until now they have stuck doggedly with ATRAC.

Furthermore, we have seen some interesting moves from Sony in regards to expanding the PS2 beyond its original game console roots, such as the EyeToy. With the extra hardware in the PSP they can leverage the thing to more powerful pursuits, like ad-hoc WiFi videoconferencing for example. Nintendo could do something like this as well but historically its this space where Sony really shines.

Form factor - the PSP is probably sexier than the DS. The point is up for debate depending on your taste of course but I can easily see the sleek black PSP appealing to the older (read: richer) crowd more than the DS. I have not played with the DS yet but I have concerns about that touchpad deal - we should all applaud Nintendo for pushing the envelope but let us not forget they have pushed it too far in the past (*cough* VirtualBoy *cough*). I don't think its a disaster or anything but it hardly seems like the kind of feature people will instantly get - and want- when they first see it. Perhaps the software innovation department will help out here.

Sony obviously has a problem on its hands with the late launch of the PSP in terms of Xmas sales but I would hardly count them out of the game just yet. Nintendo has the jump on the early market but who knows, we may just see the same phenomenon with the handhelds that we have witnessed over the last 1.5 years with the consoles - that consumers have often chosen not one or the either, but both.

Re:Uh huh... (2, Insightful)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856558)

And may I ask how do you know it's a good product?

Remember that the experience of a product like this is a very complex equation. In no order:
1. Quality of the games
2. Diversity of the games
3. Platform durability (it is a portable system)
4. Ergonomics (I hate the original PS controller's crosspad, and the fact that the GBA only has 2 face buttons, don't even go with the original Xbox controller, remember the headaches of the Virtual Boy and the original GBA screen?)
5. Battery life (Yeah, yeah you can buy extra batteries, but it's an annoyance. Sony will do good in fugure builds, just look at the MD).

Look, I love the fact that Sony is the market (we will benefit), but by now, if you're a veteran gamer, you'll know not to jump into conclusions.

Re:Uh huh... (1)

Dragoon412 (648209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856660)

But Sony doesn't need to 'beat' Nintendo, because there's a large segment of gamers that Nintendo is completely ignoring in the mobile gaming market.

Think of it this way: Nintendo makes games that are the equivalent to G-rated movies. Some are aimed expressly at children, some are just good games that happen to lack socially objectionable content. But what about those of us that want a cool-looking game, as opposed to cutesy-looking? What about those of us that'd rather be playing a new Metal Gear than a new Mario?

Take Armored Core: Formula Front and Advanced Wars for instance. Both are similar, tactical RPG-styled games. But AC:FF has giant, customizable, mercenary mechs blasting the crap out of each other, while AW looks like the kids from the Pokemon cartoon playing war in a sandbox with third-rate Thomas the Train toys.

That's indicative of the difference between Sony's and Nintendo's platforms. I'm sure I'll get a dozen replies from rabid Nintendo fanboys screeching about how it's the quality of gameplay that matters, or how I'm just some ultra-violent gore monger who wants games full of blood and guts, but that doesn't change this one simple fact:

Nintendo has basically said "You don't exist to us" to the more mature crowd of gamers, and then proceded to deluge the GBA crowd with and endless number of Pokemon sequels, Zelda clones, Mario gimmicks, and RPGs where the main character is 12 years old.

So, you're right: Sony won't dethrone Nintendo in the first generation of the PSP. In their core market, which is younger gamers and their parents, it's unlikely anyone could dethrone Nintendo. But thanks to Nintendo's bull-headedness regarding the direction and content of their games and hardware, Sony doesn't have to dethrone them to still do well in the portable market.

Re:Uh huh... (1)

akwash79 (822130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856925)

*also raises hand* being a person over the age of 21, i did not find the GBA all that impressive. It seemed to me that most of the games were ripped off from the major console counterparts and dumbed downed to side scroller platformers. I dont care if the thing will last 40 days without recharging. If the product isn't impressive the battery life does not matter. For this reason i am slightly leaning toward the PSP due to the fact that I have be impressed by their previous systems. Two hours of battery life is not very good but if I get to play a better quality game than it is worth it to me. Overall I think the PSP will appeal more to gamers old enough to buy alcohol.

Wow (1)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855954)

Sorry to be a shill for Sony, but that thing looks great. My camera has a memorystick, by the looks of it I can use the PSP to look at the pictures on a better screen than the camera's. Anyone know if it plays movies off the memorystick, or what the price is going to be in the US?

19,800 Yen = $190 (2, Interesting)

kuwan (443684) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856089)

Well, it looks like the Japanese price is 19,800 Yen which turns out to be about $190. I don't know if that's what Sony will sell it for here and I expect they might sell it for lower considering the Nintendo DS will be selling for $150. But who knows.

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Re:19,800 Yen = $190 (1)

UWC (664779) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856133)

I thought it was confirmed recently that the US price would be $199. Which is still considerably lower than many people were assuming. I can't help but think that they lowered it to compete with the DS. At that price, I might even end up with one in a few months.

Re:19,800 Yen = $190 (4, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856236)

It will be interesting to see how Sony and Nintendo plan to play the strong Yen. Nintendo's first ever loss came largely as a result of the weak dollar, and that was when Nintendo did not have any major hardware rollouts(ssoftware has a very small marginal cost to produce). The Yen has been relatively stable recently(varying from 110-105 to the dollar), but there is very little to suggest that the dollar will grow stronger any time soon. Quite the contrary, because of the huge trade and budget deficits that show no signs of abating, there is a very real chance the dollar could take a plunge, and Sony and Nintendo could wind up losing a lot of money for each American sale...

oro™ŽÀw“\èL (5, Funny)

SkuzBuket (820246) | more than 9 years ago | (#10855957)

Wow this is really interesting. Take a look at this quote from their website:

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WTF????

Re:oro™ŽÀw“\èL (1)

Drantin (569921) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856083)

Well, if you'll recall from early episodes of Rurouni Kenshin, "oro" is nearly synonymous with "what the hell" or "huh" which explains the rest of the quote....

Or you could go find your windows installation disk and/or find a place to download the japanese support for your OS...

Re:oro™ŽÀw“\èL (1)

Fr05t (69968) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856266)

(TM)
(TM)20041115() (TM)

Re:oro™ŽÀw“\èL (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856343)

Well, clearly, ÄuÝ |[^uvuÇ"OE; z"E|[^½"ÁZêLð"TviÈ&# . That much should be obvious.

but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10855989)

I can't read it - it's all written in gook

GT4? (1)

donour (445617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856001)

What happened to Gran Turismo 4?

Gameboy icon (4, Funny)

ttys00 (235472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856030)

I bet Sony is impressed that Slashdot gave them a Gameboy icon. From the 1989 Gameboy no less.

A battle... (1)

nordicfrost (118437) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856031)

JoeLinux, Blackmonday; it will b an uphill battle for Sony. But they started out some 11 years ago with another battle. Who won? There's no question that Nintendo has a very good grip on the hanheld marked now, but they had a stranglehold on the console market before. And things have happened in other markets as well.

I hope it will (fo once) be a battle where the better alternative comes out on top. Unlike the VHS - Beta battle, WordPefect - Word Battle, OS/2 - Windows battle....

Better ... y life (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856134)

I hope it will (fo once) be a battle where the better alternative comes out on top.

Define "better". How much time did a player get on one 24-pack (4 sets) of AA batteries in a Game Gear? Compare to a 24-pack (6 sets) of AA batteries in an original Game Boy, even with the lighting accessories turned on. Now compare the PSP battery life (3 hours on a charge in practice) with that of the DS (well over twice that).

Re:Better ... y life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856402)

Now compare the cost of replacing batteries in a game gear, to the cost of recharging the internal battery in a psp.

Completely different animals.

The question is if people will tolerate less battery for a more powerful handheld or not.

Game Gear cost more money to play because it ran on AA batteries. After all the math, it turned out to cost like $2 an hour in batteries to play. Because gameboy had much more battery life, it cost the consumer less to play.

PSP is rechargable, playing it won't actually hit people's pocketbooks. No one will have to buy batteries for it. So the gameboy vs. gamegear argument doesn't really fit.

Re:Better ... y life (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856586)

PSP is rechargable

Don't pay your electric bill and you'll see just how rechargeable it is. In addition, what happens when the rechargeable battery wears out? Are we looking at another Apple "just buy another iPod" deal?

Re:Better ... y life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856883)

Considering that a AA battery costs around $330 per killowatt hour, and that my power company charges $6.00 per kilowatt hour to recharge my battery at most (usually it's more like $3.00).

I'd say that AA batteries are 55 to 110 times more expensive than using a rechargeable battery. I'd much rather pay my power bill, than pay for batteries.

As for when the battery wears out, the PSP has user replaceable, hot-swappable batteries. They are sold for the equivilant of $30 in japan.

Re:Better ... y life (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856914)

Don't pay your electric bill and you'll see just how rechargeable it is. In addition, what happens when the rechargeable battery wears out? Are we looking at another Apple "just buy another iPod" deal?

Sony will surely sell replacements. Remember, the PSP's battery is external to the unit and plugs into a power port like an AC adapter might. Time will tell if consumers are happy having to strap them to their bodies, however.

Re:Better ... y life (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10857008)

tepples, you are a fucking idiot.

Re:A battle... (1)

tukkayoot (528280) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856912)

First, let me admit that I'm something of a Nintendo fanboy. So take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt.

I hope it will (fo once) be a battle where the better alternative comes out on top. Unlike the VHS - Beta battle, WordPefect - Word Battle, OS/2 - Windows battle.... --nordicfrost

I share this concern and hope. In the perfect capitalist system, the better product always wins out, but we know that isn't always the case. A lot is determined by marketing and market influence, timing and other factors not directly related to value or the quality of the customer experience.

Personally, I'm not that impressed by what I've heard of the PSP. I'm sure it's a techinically impressive system, but then so is the DS, which seems to me to be at least as innovative and exciting a product, with a far superior battery life. Sony may present a somewhat more polished, adult-seeming product, but that doesn't mean it'll be a better toy (which is what a video game console really is and is supposed to be).

Nintendo has an excellent track record for building durable, quality products at a reasonable price. From what I can tell, the opposite is true for Sony, or at least Sony game consoles. Without particularly mistreating them, I had two PlayStation 1's die on me. I probably would have bought a PS2 by now, except I keep hearing about disk read errors and other problems that have caused me to keep my distance.

I really hope that the PSP isn't plagued by these sorts of problems though, and that it exerts some good, healthy competitive pressure on Nintendo to drive both companies to produce even better products at attractive price points. My worry is, however, that Sony characteristically market (and hype) the hell out of their new toy and eventually steer development resources away from a superior product.

Fortunately, Nintendo is strong enough in this market at present and has a new product of seemingly high quality, so it should take more than marketing and market pressure to squeeze them out of the market unless they really deserve it.

Specs (4, Insightful)

rpdillon (715137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856151)

I'm not sure whether to jump at this or the Nintendo DS. To be honest, I love the Playstation 2, but after all the anti-hype about battery life on the PSP, I think its a tough question.

Certainly the hardware on the PSP is extremely impressive, but I question whether it's impressive enough to warrant the two hour battery life (or less) that I'll have to spend another $45 for a spare battery (BTW, I like that you can buy a spare battery!).

DS might have taken the safer road with the long battery times while still providing a very good graphical experience. I'll probably end up waiting and seeing how much Sony can squeeze from the PSP, and see what games come out for what platform. After all, SOny did say that in "later revisions" of the firmware, they would be able to extend battery life out to 6 hours and beyond for high end games. Sounds ridiculous, but one can always hope.

Re:Specs (1)

deviantonline (542095) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856248)

I tottaly agree. I am far more impressed with the psp's design and hardware over the ds, but I really think that its battery life is going to limit its appeal.

Re:Specs (1)

pcosta (236434) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856614)

Battery life for games is between 4 and 6 hours.

PSP is toast (4, Informative)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856245)

If PSP isn't launching in Japan fo another 3 weeks, it looks like the system will completely miss the holiday buying season in the US.

Meanwhile, Nintendo is launching the DS in time for Black Friday. Current estimates show pre-orders running in the 5 million unit range in both the US and Japan.

Nintendo will have 5 million systems in the hands of gamers before Sony delivers a single PSP.

The DS has better battery life and it's $50 cheaper.

There will be lots of DS systems sitting under the tree this year. There won't be any DS systems there.

Which system would you develop for if you were EA? The one that will have 5 million units shipped in the US before the end of the year or the system that will have none.

Re:PSP is toast (1)

Cybervoid (6243) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856358)

The expectied US release date isn't until March, they're not even going to try for the US holiday year.

I don't know about that. (1)

Mike Hawk (687615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856388)

I wouldn't misunderestimate the Sony/EA relationship. That relationship had a HUGE hand in killing the Dreamcast and the Dreamcast beat the PS2 out the door by a wide margin. Take a good look at Nintendo's third party support for Gamecube. Take a good look at Sony's third party support for Playstation 2. Business relationships have a way of crossing from one device to the next. If this is the kind of thing Nintendo fan boys are grasping on, I think you are right to be nervous. The Gameboy Advance has good support now, but it has no competition. The video gaming elephant just walked into the middle of the room and its presence cannot be overstated.

Relationships my behind! (1)

Metroid72 (654017) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856721)

First and foremost. Companies are in this industry to make money, now that we have this out of the way, look at the industry:

16bit Generation: Major japanese developers (capcom, konami, etc) jumped to make Megadrive/Genesis games. Why? Market share.
Rationale: More Systems = More chances of selling games

32bit Generation: Major publishers jump on CD-based systems. Why? To get away from the restrictive licensing practices of nintendo and to maximize on the cheap medium.
Excuse: We want to make better and bigger games.
Rationale: Cheaper media = higher profit margins.

Past 32/64 bit Generation: Publishers jump on the PS2 because it caught up with the Dreamcast despite a less-than-competitive 1st generation lineup.
Rationale = See 16bit generation Section.

Follow the money trail and you'll see where the developers will go. There are very very few publishers/developers that will get excited about the uniqueness of a platform. That will end up either benefiting or working against Nintendo, but at least they'll re-write the rules, because if a game is conceived with the DS in mind the ports to the PSP may not be the same experience.

Myself, I'll be buying both next year, hopefully when the 2nd generation of games is out and at a sweet price of $125

Re:I don't know about that. (1)

tuffy (10202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856767)

I wouldn't misunderestimate the Sony/EA relationship.

But EA already has two launch titles slated for the DS from its Madden and Tiger Woods franchises. If the DS sells and the games sell, it's a sure bet they'll continue to support it - in addition to the PSP if necessary. Back in the Genesis/SNES days EA was willing to back more than one console; I'm sure they'd do it again if there's money to be made.

Re:PSP is toast (1)

mrluisp (724199) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856542)

Considering, Nintendo is "only" expecting to sell 4 million units by next march, and will "only" have 2 million units available at launch time (see this article [gamesindustry.biz] ), I think fulfilling 5 million pre-orders before the PSP launches will be a bit difficult. Wouldn't you agree?

However, I do agree that Nintendo will seriously outsell the PSP. I also think that the PSP will put a moderate dent into Nintendo's sales.

Re:PSP is toast (3, Funny)

slashrogue (775436) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856664)

There will be lots of DS systems sitting under the tree this year. There won't be any DS systems there.

You mean no PSP systems?

Which system would you develop for if you were EA?

Both, since I force my developers to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week with little or no compensation.

Re:PSP is toast (4, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856755)

Sounds like the same advantages the Dreamcast had. Ask Sega how well things worked out sometime.

The reason that the PS2 won wasn't that it had better graphics or was faster. It won because it had a DVD player built in. It was something utterly unrelated to game-playing that put the PS2 ahead - and that is what people are forgetting in the whole PSP vs. GBA discussion.

If Sony turns around and gives people a semi-decent way to play video and music on their PSP, the entire equation gets altered dramatically. That $150-$200 PSP looks a lot better if it has more functionality.

Similarly, Nintendo could also do something paradigm shifting (but I do not consider PictoChat to be any way, shape, or form to be a paradigm shift) to pull away.

And, frankly, it might not even be features that distinguish the two. A single bad production run by either of them could ruin the product's reputation. Calling a winner before the race has started seems foolish to me.

-Erwos

Re:PSP is toast (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856909)

If PSP isn't launching in Japan fo another 3 weeks, it looks like the system will completely miss the holiday buying season in the US.

Sony is not even attempting to hit the holiday buying season in the U.S.. The PSP is currently planned for a U.S. launch somewhere around march of next year.

Which system would you develop for if you were EA? The one that will have 5 million units shipped in the US before the end of the year or the system that will have none.

Well, the actual EA is developing for both. Last I had heard they will release about three games for the DS launch and about two games for the Japanese PSP launch, planning to have about six PSP games available by the PSP's US launch next year. In fact, EA is developing much the same games for both systems. Interesting though is how EA treats the two platforms-- though EA is releasing more or less the same titles (Madden 2005, Tiger Woods) for DS and PSP, the games under these titles are quite different. For example for Madden 2005 for the DS EA basically took the GBA Madden 2005 and souped it up. For Madden 2005 for the PSP EA will be doing pretty much a straight port of the PS2 Madden. It appears EA will be porting many of its PS2 games to the PSP, but the games it releases for the DS will more often be original...

The prize (3, Insightful)

arakis (315989) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856271)

I know many my-dad-can-beat-up-your-dad Nintendo people and their opinions on how this system is just derivative drivel. That argument is a loss despite being valid. The real prize here is that a company that both MAKES things and owns the means of production to ENTERTAIN people with that is throwing their hat into the ring. Does Nintendo make a better game system? Probably, although the final judgement is horribly subjective.

Realize this device for what it is and not what refined old implementations it competes with now. This is a bona fide mobile communications/entertainment platform that also happens to play games. They made the screen giant and saw fit to include just one. Why? Look at the screen in the future and you will see.

I am impressed with this from a company direction standpoint. This direction doesn't and shouldn't ever suit Nintendo. I believe they should focus on games and the marketing thereof. Sony on the other hand has albums to record, movies to shoot and entire mobile media platforms to leverage under one roof. This stuff is off the hook!

May you live in interesting times.

Re:The prize (2, Insightful)

Kirby-meister (574952) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856370)

???? Nintendo makes the DS and provides games for it...how is that not providing entertainment for the people who buy their hardware?

The N-Gage was also meant to be a mobile communication/entertainment platform that happened to play games...

Re:The prize (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856449)

Realize this device for what it is and not what refined old implementations it competes with now. This is a bona fide mobile communications/entertainment platform that also happens to play games.

Funny, the N-Gage tried to be something like that, and look what happened - it crashed and burned for the most part, and the GBA didn't slow down one bit.

Granted, Sony doesn't have the insulting PR nightmare and subsequent backlash to deal with that Nokia did, but still...

Excellent (1)

EvilAlphonso (809413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856382)

Just in time for my trip to Osaka!

One game that does look interesting... (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856399)

One of the games (Lumines by Bandai) seems pretty interesting to me, because it's from the makers of Rez...

But not interesting enough to buy unto the platform. I just hope it comes out for some other system.

I don't even have a GameBoy yet, not sure why I would spring for a PSP with a lot less titles and an iffy future. They did at least price it well, perhaps it will have a fighting chance.

Ohhh. That has to hurt. (1)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856431)

Game Boy, PSP blah blah blah...

Did anyone see that NFS Rivals is coming out in December? Where's GT4 on that list? Talk about bitch-slap... EA is beating Sony's little darling to Sony's own platform!

I guess working 200 developers for 200 hours a week pays some dividends after all.

Region Free (3, Interesting)

x40sw0n (830531) | more than 9 years ago | (#10856539)

Liksang.com reports that the PSP games are going to be region-free.... meaning you could actually buy an import unit from liksang.com in december and play your US games when they get released. -In Absentia

333 Mhz is a lie (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856599)

Sony continues to brag about the 333 Mhz processor in the system, but it's a lie. While the processor may technically be *capable* of running that fast, it's in fact been throttled to 222 Mhz. Developers have the option of running it even slower, but there is no way to run it faster.

Re:333 Mhz is a lie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856929)

Get a life, sucker!

Those who do not understand the Game Gear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10856751)

are doomed to repeat it
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