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Transgaming to Support Half Life 2 Under Linux

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the we-don't-go-to-ravenholme,-tux dept.

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rpdillon writes "According to Half-Life Fallout, Transgaming Technologies has announced that they will be releasing version 4.2 of Cedega, their Wine based software allowing some DirectX games to be played under Linux. The new version will be released Dec 7th with official support included for Valve Software's Half-Life 2 and Steam, Valve's online software store and distribution system, and a required component of Half-Life 2."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864655)

LOL LOL LMOGMOGMLAMGLDMGOM

Big surprise! (-1, Offtopic)

llevity (776014) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864660)

What's next, an announcement that the sky is blue?

Re:Big surprise! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864711)

Whats next, maybe all you communist ex-hippie antimicrosoft cunts will wake up and realise that Linux is not ready for the desktop. Linux is a brilliant serves OS but anyone using it for the desktop is a dumbass looser with no brain.

slow? (4, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864663)

So i'm not familiar with exactly how wine works, but since the word "emulator" is part of the acronym, won't emulating graphics stuff slow down the game a whole lot?

Re:slow? (5, Informative)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864675)

WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator
You're right, it IS oart of the acronym

Re:slow? (-1, Redundant)

nicolas.e (715954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864801)

No, no, no. Stupid mods. The grandparent might be a troll. The parent is definitely not.

Re:slow? (2, Informative)

arose (644256) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864945)

It is not a hardware emulator, true, but it still has to emulate DirectX (unless Half-Life 2 uses OpenGL).

Re:slow? (2, Funny)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864677)

Is this a troll, or are you stupid? Please advise, I'm not sure how to reply to this comment.

Re:slow? (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864695)

just stupid I guess...
I've never used wine though. be gentle.

Re:slow? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864720)

OH OH OH!! RATHER THAN READING ABOUT WINE, I'LL JUST POST ON SLASHDOT AND ASK EVERYONE!?!?! RTFM YOU TWIT.. LMAO

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Re:slow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864861)

Wow, you are a prick...

Re:slow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864933)

You are what you eat. LMAO

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Re:slow? (1)

AvantLegion (595806) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864688)

>> but since the word "emulator" is part of the acronym

... preceded by "Is Not A"...

Re:slow? (1)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864734)


oooooooh.
I always thought it was WINdows Emulator.

Watch out... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864799)

They'd better change the acronym before Microsoft patent half of it...

Re:slow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864691)

IT'S MORE LIKE AN API WRAPPPER THAN EMULATION. KTHX

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Re:slow? (5, Informative)

Huogo (544272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864698)

Wine stands for "Wine Is Not an Emulator". It doesn't emulate the graphics, it maps the syscalls from DirectX into opengl for graphics (This is my understanding of it, IANAWD (WineX Dev))

Re:slow? (1)

lachlan76 (770870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864716)

IANAWH (Wine Hacker), but AFAIK, Wine just translates the DirectX calls into OpenGL, and does the same with all the other APIs.

And yes, emulator is in the name. Specifically:
Wine is NOT an emulator

Re:slow? (4, Informative)

P-Nuts (592605) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864750)

Wine is not an emulator, but a reimplementation of the Win32 API. The various system calls that are made available to Windows programs are reinterpreted by the Wine libraries, so as to perform similar functionality, sometimes by making system calls to Linux. In the case of DirectX stuff, 3D calls are converted to OpenGL. Some people have found that games can even run a little faster under Wine, but in most cases there is a small performance hit, probably equivalent to a few frames per second.

Re:slow? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864867)

Many games are running faster with wine! I tried stracraft and works 2-3 times faster on linux than in windows 2000 on the same computer!

Don't play too much, go to work :)!
abss
http://www.intrebare.ro/ [intrebare.ro]

It's not an emulator! (1)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864784)

BF1942, Doom3 (before Linux release), and other games work just as fast as in windows. Believe it or not.

Re:slow? (5, Informative)

Edgewize (262271) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864818)

The mods will assume that you're trolling, but that's unfair. Some people just don't know how WINE works. (Of course Slashdotters will accuse you of living in a cave, but whatever.)

I trust that you're being honest so I'll just answer the question.

"WINE Is Not an Emulator" is one of those recursive acronyms that was invented after the fact. It used to stand for WINdows Emulator. But the important thing is that the new name is pretty much right; it isn't an emulator, it's a translation layer. Windows EXE and DLL files are directly executed by the CPU; WINE's job is just to implement all the Win32 API calls that they make.

Transgaming took a branch of WINE and added some fixes, some workarounds, and a much better implementation of the DirectX APIs. Specifically, most Direct3D functions are translated into their OpenGL equivalents, so the graphics are still hardware-accelerated (assuming you have a Linux-supported video card).

So to get back to your question,
there is generally very little performance loss when WINE is compared to Windows. The binary is running natively on your CPU, and the video calls are still hardware-accelerated. The only difference is another level of API indirection.

It's interesting that some programs actually perform better under WINE, due to differences in the Win32 and Linux kernel architectures.

What is real "halflife" ? (3, Funny)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864664)

Halflife refers to the amount of time it takes for a radioactive substance to decay to 1/2 of its mass.
What is the relation to the game, exactly ?

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (4, Funny)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864713)

It was set inside 'Black Mesa' a research institute, that no doubt had all sorts of radioactive nastiness being carried around by cool looking robots.

Plus the developers thought, wow, sounds like a cool name for a game.

Throw a symbol of the 11th letter of the Greek alphabet around and you have a top notch game. ,\

Re: I might be looking into it too deeply but... (1)

space_jake (687452) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864925)

I always thought it was something along those lines but perhaps it had to do with the very "pure" sample of whatever Gordon used to start the resonance cascade scenario.

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (1)

Feminist-Mom (816033) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864719)

Your question makes sense, and I have no idea why you are being modded down. I haven't played the game and I wondered that myself.

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (5, Funny)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864737)

HalfLife is the point where it absorbs half of your life, where you should probably doing more productive things

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (1)

JohnnyGTO (102952) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864752)

Alot like /. and 419eater.com

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (1)

Random_Goblin (781985) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864844)

HalfLife is the point where it absorbs half of your life, where you should probably doing more productive things

I thought that was Everquest?

(ducks...and covers)

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864901)

Everquest doesn't stop at 50% of your life. My roommate is able to play EQ2 sustained only by diet soda, disability pension, and cigarettes for days and days and days.

(I'm moving soon)

Re:What is real "halflife" ? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864926)

HalfLife: Since Gordon Freeman (the protagonist) is a physicist working at the 'anomalous materials' section of the Black Mesa Research facility, he is exposed to all sorts of radiation, hence the need for his super-duper armour (the HEV). So really it's a reference to the physics research that Gordon is doing, but also play on words.

It's also worth mentioning that the 2 follow-ups to HL1, Opposing Forces, and Blue Shift are also 'physics-isms' and are both quite apt give that in OF, you are a soldier, teaming up with other members of your 'force' to fight the alien invasion. In Blue Shift, you play a security Guard on your 'shift', when the alien invasion occurs.

Someone please tell me... (1)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864665)

How do they intend to get Steam to work? If Windows users are catching hell when they try and "validate" their copies, I can't imagine what *NIX users will go through.

Re:Someone please tell me... (4, Informative)

Cyph (240321) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864748)

I can tell you that it already works. They released a preview copy of Cedega 4.2 to their Emerald members (those who have been subscribed for 18+ months). Steam has worked fine in Cedega 4.0.1 and up in the past, so Steam obviously wasn't a problem. As for Half-Life 2, it runs very well.

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

Milo of Kroton (780850) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864811)

I can't wait until I can get Microsoft Flight Simulator 2000 to run in wine. That'll be a glorious day, children.

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

Cyph (240321) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864837)

Why? X-Plane 8.0 has a native port. And X-Plane is quite awesome.

Re:Someone please tell me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864755)

I did not "catch hell" when validating my copy of Half-Life 2, and I did so at one minute past midnight on release day. I'm willing to bet a vast majority of gamers have had no problems at all with Steam and validation. The silent majority remains unheard.

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864756)

AFAIK, Steam already works under Cedega, from what I've read on their site. This is to get HL2 working now.

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864876)

I was about to say the same thing. It will be amazing if they get it to work considering Windows users are going crazy using it. Just looking at the Steam forums it is full up of people moaning.

Re:Someone please tell me... (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864912)

it works fine, no pains at all.

WOW (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864667)

FIRST POST NIGGERS

Re:WOW (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864726)

I so love wasting mod points (NiGgErS) :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Or just badger Valve (4, Interesting)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864669)

Unreal Tournament 2003
Unreal Tournament 2004
Quake 3
Doom 3
Postal 2
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
more here... [wikipedia.org] ...

Half Life 2?

Go on Valve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'd buy it!

Re:Or just badger Valve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864910)

Valve created their own engine. They may have tied themselves much closer to Microsoft Windows then any of the other product you have cited. Go over here http://www.valvesoftware.com/sourcelicense/ and also here http://www.valvesoftware.com/sourcelicense/enginef eatures.htm and figure it out for yourself. Or better yet ask Gabe N.

This means... (3, Funny)

RandoX (828285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864678)

Steamed pengiun for dinner!

woohoo! (0, Troll)

GrendelT (252901) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864684)

Eeeeexcellent! All the more reason you should move to Linux.

Re:woohoo! (1)

dave420 (699308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864742)

To jump through hoops to play games? Not exactly a feature I look for in an OS ;)

sorry... just had to say it :)

Re:woohoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864754)

How is this a reason to move to linux? Because it now does something that windows already can do?

Re:woohoo! (1)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864792)

I support Linux, but I just thought I'd point out the fallacy in migrating from Windows to Linux, to play a game designed for Windows That said, I understand what you mean

Re:woohoo! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864888)

"That said"? More like, "that('s) SAD", as in pathetic. Pathetic that you should have to use some hacked-ass software to run something that works perfectly fine by default in Windows, the OS under which it was intended to run. It's rather like the freak from Silence of the Lambs that made a costume out of the skins of the women he murdered, thinking that he could become a woman. "Look! I'm just like Windows! Aren't I pretty, I can do anything!" Twisted and strange. :D

Re:woohoo! (1)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864954)

That's exactly what I meant; Windows is "twisted and strange" just like "the freak from Silence of the Lambs"

Or better yet... (-1, Flamebait)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864692)

Why doesn't the company release a native Linux version? Don't support companies who don't support Linux.

Re:Or better yet... (2, Insightful)

grm_wnr (781219) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864714)

If they intended to do that, they would have built their graphics engine on OpenGL, not DirectX. So, in short: Not Gonna Happen.

Re:Or better yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864771)

Or, if they weren't such cock smokers, they'd have seen that they could sell more copies of the game by abstracting out directx and opengl stuff.

Didn't the unreal people do this?

Re:Or better yet... (4, Interesting)

entrager (567758) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864732)

Because it's a sure way to lose money? Half Life 2 is a DirectX game (argue this decision if you want). It would take a great deal of work to convert it to OpenGL so it can work natively in Linux. It's not worth the development effort.

Re:Or better yet... (1)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864942)

If it was written in half-decent object-oriented-code, it really wouldn't be all that tough. I mean, they did it with the first one, and that one even had a software renderer.

Re:Or better yet... (4, Insightful)

Swamii (594522) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864743)

Because Linux users comprise less than 2% of the overall desktop market. Don't get religious about it; it's simply the fact that most of the time, it's not financially worth the development effort to port a game, especially a DirectX-based game, over to Linux.

mac gamers though (1)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864820)

Yet other companies produce mac versions of most popular games. So if that little % is worth the trouble, why not Linux? I think it will happen really soon.

Re:mac gamers though (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864935)

Mac people tend to buy more software per capita than Windows users. 18% of the software market is for Macs while the Mac installed base is a LOT smaller than the Windows base.

Re:Or better yet... (1)

andi75 (84413) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864859)

If you look at these download stats [sourceforge.net] , you'll see that the non-Win32 platforms make up more than a third of all downloads.

On the 'fringe' platforms (OS X, Linux), you can achieve a much higher market share.

- Andreas

Re:Or better yet... (1)

datbox (800756) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864968)

Because Linux users comprise less than 2% of the overall desktop market.

I hear this argument over and over. I don't think it is entirely correct though. Atleast not concerning games.
My mom doesn't play half-life 2. Nor does she run linux. Yet, she falls into the 98% of windows users that you are talking about.
What I want to know, is of the percentage of half-life 2 players, what percentage also run linux as a 2nd OS.

Also, it is important to know the percentage of linux users that are also avid gamers - thus indicating how many of the 2% market share would actually buy half-life 2 if it came out on linux.

Re:Or better yet... (2, Insightful)

nbert (785663) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864827)

Well it's using DirectX, which makes it much harder to port (as opposed to the majority of games running under linux, which use OpenGL).

However, seeing what can be archived with OpenGL, I really wonder why many developers don't consider it an option. Developing games in OpenGL and distributing (unsupported) linux binaries can't be much more expensive.

hardware specs for linux the same? (3, Funny)

bgeek (831483) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864694)

or will it run on my DX2s and P75s?

Re:hardware specs for linux the same? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864751)

It should run fine on your 486, provided it is a DX (or an SX with a math co-processor), and runs 2xGeForce6800 Ultras in SLI.

Re:hardware specs for linux the same? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864843)

It should run fine on your 486, provided it is a DX (or an SX with a math co-processor), and runs 2xGeForce6800 Ultras in SLI.

Can I run two GeForce6800 Ultras in a single VESA Local Bus slot on my 486 DX266?

Re:hardware specs for linux the same? (1)

CumInHerTaco (702472) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864975)

Can I run two GeForce6800 Ultras in a single VESA Local Bus slot on my 486 DX266?

I'm sure some geek somewhere has made an adapter for it...They get bored just making costumes, [tronguy.net] atomic watches [leapsecond.com] and chess sets. [leapsecond.com]

wow (2, Interesting)

adamruck (638131) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864709)

If steam is ported to linux, perhaps more vendors will consider making cross platform games. Of course there is the whole market share thing, but its sure a step in the right direction.

I think I should send a link to this article to my linux friends who are playing hl2.

Re:wow (3, Insightful)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864770)

Steam isn't being ported to Linux, it's just being supported by Transgaming's product that uses WINE to run windows programs.

If anything this will make people not port the products to run in linux because they'll tell you to just use a WINE product to run them.

Re:wow (1)

kormoc (122955) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864944)

as apposed to not being able to run it at all? Valve has said time and time again, they will not port hl1 or hl2 or any of their products. the only way you could play is via wine, so you'd perfer noone play?

Re:wow (1)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864951)

> If steam is ported to linux, perhaps more vendors will consider making cross platform games.

After spending a couple of days to get HL2 working (mostly steam working) I can tell you now that I won't be buying any games that require steam to play. Cross platform or not.

Did anybody else read the title as... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864723)

Transgendered to Support Half Life

Nobody?

Re:Did anybody else read the title as... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864896)

Sounds like maybe you're just trying to come out of the closet.

In other news... (4, Funny)

HohlerMann (410170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864728)

Linux users join the masses of gamers who are collectively WINEing about activation delays.

Re:In other news... (1)

Boeboe (815330) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864787)

Where do you think it's got it's name from? From all those people WHINEing they can't play there fav. games on a non gaming OS :p

You know what? (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864762)

We bitch and bitch about how much we hate corporations sticking it to us. We hate DRM, we hate devices that phone home, we hate buying a game, and then being unable to take that game over to a friends and just play it.

And yet, everyones head is so far up Valve's ass, that noone seems to be bothered with how odious this steam thing really is.

I mean, you can't play single player without a 'net connection. You cant drag your disk over to your friends house and just play.

It stinks worse than ANYTHING I've ever seen. This is the absolute worst ass-reaming any pointy haired manager ever decided to give the consumers.

You all are just grabbing your ankles and grinning.

I won't buy, leech, crack, play, or even talk about Half Life 2 anymore until they reissue it in a format which I can just install and start playing the single player game without phone-home activation, or being bundled with your ad delivery service.

Fuck you Valve. I will never purchase games via Steam. Luckily I have Halo 2, Metroid Prime 2, Doom 3, and a pile of other titles to keep me entertained.

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864809)

People vote with their money. The masses have spoken. You lose. Your vote nullified 1 million times over. Welcome to capitalism. Welcome to democracy.

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864813)

Wrong dude.

Steam allows me to do anything i want. I never have to carry a disc around. In fact i don't even own a hl2 disc. In fact I can go to any computer in the world that is connected to the interenet, and download steam and play any game i own including hl2. That is convenience right there.

Re:You know what? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864853)

Not mine. I sure as hell wouldnt let you install Steam, Bonzi Buddy, KaZaa or any other spyware crap just so that you can waste my bandwidth downloading 3 gigs of HL2 because you're too lazy to carry a DVD around.

When the dust settles, Steam will be remembered as the utter failure it is.

Re:You know what? (1)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864911)

Please supply proof that Steam has any kind of "spyware crap"

Re:You know what? (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864969)

How about the targetted advertisements when you log in?

How about knowing what and when your playing, for how long, etc?

They have tons of marketting data to mine, that's part of the whole point of steam.

Steam *is* spyware. We already have a "content delivery" system if it was just about getting 'games on the internet. It's called HTTP. If it was just about selling games digitally, a good website would be more than adequate.

Same thing goes for iTunes.

You download and install what's basically a front-end for a retail store, and you don't think theres any data collection or advertising related stuff going on in there?

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864816)

sucks for you because half life 2 owns them all!!

LONG LIVE THE ONE FREE MAN!!!

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864841)

I won't buy, leech, crack, play, or even talk about Half Life 2 anymore until they reissue it in a format which I can just install and start playing the single player game without phone-home activation, or being bundled with your ad delivery service.

Yeah, it's ridiculous that they're doing this because, you know, no one would ever try to steal one of Valve's games!

Re:You know what? (1)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864924)

Oh, come on. "Copy protection" is no excuse. It's not as if it's difficult to pirate a copy of HL2. There's no reason to fuck over the paying customers just so that it takes another hour or two for a crack to appear on the Internet.

Re:You know what? (4, Informative)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864845)

"You cant drag your disk over to your friends house and just play."

You dont' have to because you can DL the steam client, log in with your account and just DL any game you have purchased already.

I have HL1/CS on three computers. When I want to play I just click on the game, put in my login and off I go.

I love it. I lost my HL CD but still had the case, all I needed was the key number off the case.

And you do not need to have a net connection to play the single player mode

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864849)

Err, just about every single one of your complaints is wrong or misguided.
As far as the "worst ass-reaming" goes, there are many far more worse examples of corporate mismanagement than a videogame. How about the Enron scandal and the false California energy crisis of 2002 (I think it was)?

Re:You know what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864909)

It's been a year and I've forgotten. In fact, I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm going to vote for Bush again and fuck you for spreading lies.

Re:You know what? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864949)

And you're just misinformed.

You can play HL2 without a net connection, its called "offline mode". The only thing it requires a network connection for is the initial activation, and thats no more odious than Microsoft's current required activation practices, and I bet you've got Windows on your PC. (Or did you leech or crack your copy of it, mr. high and mighty?)

As other people have pointed out, once you have a steam account, you can fetch and play HL2 anywhere.

Sure Steam has its issues, mostly being an annoying adware program that currently pops up messages about HL2, but will probably start popping up all sorts of ads when Valve wants some extra cash. Also after years of watching MMO services crash and burn the first day, Valve let Steam's activation servers crash and burn for their first day, showing that some people just don't learn.

Poor servers... (2, Funny)

Choubaka (801142) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864807)

You know, TransGaming just recently got their webservers back online after some downtime. Next thing, they make it on Slashdot. ... have mercy.

Re:Poor servers... (1)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864905)

Yeah, they're stress testing them after an upgrade ;)

Bi-directional support (4, Insightful)

phorm (591458) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864823)

The speed at which Wine is supporting new games seems to indicate a certain amount of support from the game manufacturers. At the very least they're probably getting their hands on pre-releases in order to prepare for compatibility once the true game comes out.

This isn't as good as having an actual native port for Linux, but at least it indicates that there is an awareness that Linux and cross-compatability are a consideration.

In other news (1, Funny)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864860)

In other news:

Cedega a program designed to run Windows/DirectX game in Linux, is going to be supporting a Windows/Direct X game in Linux.

Cedega and GPL (1, Troll)

LordK2002 (672528) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864883)

From what I can make out on the Transgaming website, Cedega is a subscription-based commercial offering based on Wine, which is Free Software.

Is this not a violation of the GPL, and exactly the sort of thing it was written to prevent?

Re:Cedega and GPL (2, Informative)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864936)

Cedega is based on the Wine codebase before Wine converted to GPL - in fact, that was part of the motivation for Wine to convert from a more BSD-ish license to GPL.

However, Transgaming does give code back to Wine occasionally, and some Wine contributors will allow Transgaming to also distribute their changes.

Re:Cedega and GPL (1)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864937)

I'm pretty sure they'd only have to contribute the modified and improved wine code back up. Anything else they do on their own, they can keep.

Re:Cedega and GPL (1)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864958)

Cedega (WineX as it used to be) forked an older version of Wine that was under a BSD-style license.

They were quite within their rights to fork this version and work on it. Newer versions of Wine are LGPL (IIRC), however even though they are not obliged to, Transgaming do contribute back to the Wine community.

Re:Cedega and GPL (1)

rpdillon (715137) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864963)

You're right, it is a violation of the GPL, but Cedega is released under the Aladdin License, not GPL.

Besides, you can go into the Transgaming CVS and grab all the source free (when I say "all", it doesn't include their licensed cd copy protection code) and compile it yourself, though they offer no support if you do.

Re:Cedega and GPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10864965)

Nice troll, idiot. Try actually checking out the Transgaming website sometime, particularly the part where they're GIVING OUT THE SOURCE CODE.

Forum (1)

wbav (223901) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864884)

Here's the Transgamming forum. [transgaming.com]
291 votes in less than a week? Well seems they have some users who want it.

Can I get more resolution? (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864898)

I can get steam to work under cedega right now. It plays counter-strike and half-life and such at respectable frame rates, but only up to 800x600. If I turn it up anymore it drops to 1 fps. In my windows XP partition, which I only use for steam, I get perfect vertical sync refresh rates in 1280x1024 32 bit color. Also some mods like natural selection are buggy, but working.

If I can't play every mod at full resolution with no buginess, its not much better than not being able to play at all.

ID software released a doom 3 binary for linux, why can't valve do the same? It might be more difficult because they use directx instead of opengl. But half-life 1 ran in opengl mode, and you only needed directx for the menus and stuff. and with steam, you don't even need the menus since you have the steam interface instead. It shouldn't take that long to convert from one library to another. And if they wrote Half-Life 2 to be directx only, balls to them.

problems (0, Troll)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864915)

1. I have to buy winex and halflife 2? Fuck that.

2. I run x86_64 linux. winex isn't much of an option.

3. I'd rather a native OpenGL port if I'm going to pay CashMoney.

Tom

Confusing Quote (4, Interesting)

khendron (225184) | more than 9 years ago | (#10864931)

"Consumers rank the ability to play video games on their desktop as one of the top 3 important reasons for the adoption of Linux."

Is there a "not" missing somewhere in that sentence.? As in "... one of the top 3 reasons for NOT adopting Linux." For me, game support is the biggest reason why Windows still exists on my desktop.
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