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116 comments

It's a "downhill battle" (5, Insightful)

CyberThalamus (822198) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868095)

One group fighting music IP is called the downhill battle. All this pessimism can really get to you until you realize that these laws will ultimately fail. It's like trying to stop a waterfall. Check out infoanarchy.org for a view on how things will really turn out.

And cynics are, as a group, highly redundant and unoriginal.

Re:It's a "downhill battle" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10870961)

And cynics are, as a group, highly redundant and unoriginal.
That's a rather cynical point of view.

Guard the Table, EFF! (5, Insightful)

mfh (56) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868108)

Both yesterday and again today, written statements provided by IP Justice and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which were placed on the table designated for floor papers, were stolen within minutes of being deposited on the table. Additionally yesterday documents provided by the Union for the Public Domain were also missing shortly after being placed on the table.
I find these tactics to be what I would expect from the thug-like governments and greedy corporations; they can't secure with truth and justice what they can secure with theivery and wickedness. Not all companies would condone this kind of behaviour, but it is becoming evident that the amoral progress towards global capitalism are shattering our freedoms... freedoms our forefathers fought and died to protect... freedoms our nations were built upon. I find these recent criminal actions to be very enlightening, in turn, that the very message protecting our rights for programming and developmental freedoms, was forced to place a guard at the table.

The guard at the table, protecting the documents to be heard at WIPO, seems to be a good image, but also a telling image. How long will it be before we can no longer place a guard at the table? How long before justice itself is patented by some company?
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) will be there to urge delegates to reject aspects of the treaty that would impoverish the public domain and thwart innovation.
Guard the table oh great EFF! I will continue to write, program and design anything I want to, IP bullshit [slashdot.org] be damned!!!

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (2, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868207)

This is exactly the sort of thing the second amendment was created for.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868316)

This is exactly the sort of thing the second amendment was created for.
Strangely I have to agree with you here, and I deplore guns.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (2, Informative)

kk49 (829669) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868465)

Don't worry the UN will close this individual rights "loophole"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTI CLE_ID=17276 [worldnetdaily.com]
This article is old, but this is still going on.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (1)

Holi (250190) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869612)

No resolution from the UN will ever trump the 2nd amendment. And remember if they take away the 2nd Amendment we have a lot of angry people with guns.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (1)

tbjw (760188) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871808)

Hello crazy. The US already complies (more-or-less) with what the Security Council recommended. In the US, small arms are not a threat to political stability; in the US the state does regulate the market up to a point (so that people can't own crazy weaponry, but you knew this). Despite the comments of one 'unnamed source' this is a total non-story in the US, as evidenced by the fact that the US supports all the recommendations.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (5, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868538)

I'm in favor of an additional ammendment, numbered '1.5'. Basically, if someone denies your right to speech, you have the right to punch them in the face until they stop infringing on your right to free speech.

It would honor the spirit of both the first and the second ammendments, and because it's an intermediate step for those who might not have or disagree with guns, it's more accessible. And the 2nd would remain untouched, so those who don't find ammendment 1.5 to be useful or satisfying could just ignore it.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (1)

bluGill (862) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869011)

That takes power from the "98 lbs weakling", giving it to the bodybuilders. In a non-gun fight where both individuals are equal in training and equipment the heavier guy will win.

The great thing about guns is virtually every adult can use them. One shot and the bad guy is dead, and it doesn't matter who is bigger and heavier. It doesn't matter if you use a "small" .30, or a "big" .50 or more, dead is dead.

I see your point, but it fails to work because the "98lbs weakling" cannot afford to use it. The big guy infringing on the little guy's rights can punch back much harder. It may not be legal, but the big guy has already prooven his willingness to do illegal things by infringing in the first place.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10870786)

The great thing about guns is virtually every adult can use them.

You consider that a good thing? Sure, it makes things fairer if a weaker person is up against a stronger person, but it makes things a hell of a lot less safe for everyone when you consider the average person is too dumb or malicious to own guns responsibly.

If somebody breaks society's rules (the law), then it's up to society (in the form of the police and the courts) to act appropriately. The idea of vigilante justice is fundamentally unsound.

One shot and the bad guy is dead, and it doesn't matter who is bigger and heavier.

You mean "one shot and the other guy is dead. Guns kill people indiscriminately, it doesn't matter if they are in the right or the wrong.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (1)

e9th (652576) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871869)

1. The "average" person is neither dumb nor malicious. It is a small minority, those who cannot treat guns, cars, pets, spray paint, children, etc., responsibly, who cause problems.

2. Yes, it's up to society to punish wrongdoers. But I don't want to wait for society to show up when a 300lb. crackhead tries to break into my house. Vigilantism is going after the bad guy after the crime. Shooting him on his way in is merely being proactive.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10871792)

Guns take power from the "nerd with bad eyesight", giving it to the iliterate.

one-word response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10870064)

A-F*CKING-MEN

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868400)

Not all companies would condone this kind of behaviour, but it is becoming evident that the amoral progress towards global capitalism are shattering our freedoms.

Didn't you get the memo? These are the sort of "morals" that 51% of the population approve of...

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (4, Insightful)

egarland (120202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868566)

..but it is becoming evident that the amoral progress towards global capitalism are shattering our freedoms..

This is not capitalism. Capitalism requires a system of supports and limits to keep it functioning properly. There are many roads companies can take out of capitalist competition and in order for a capitalist economy to work properly these roads must be controlled. These routes out of competition include monopoly, government corruption, poisoning of competition, displacement of expenses as well as many others. We've left these roads open and now companies that abused, lied, cheated, and bought the system are the winners. This is a horrible thing and has resulted in generations of businessmen who think that's the right way to do business instead of simply delivering the best product to the consumer you can.

Reforming this system will require us to reign in these rogue non-competing companies and limit their power. Is there an anti-corruption PAC that I could join that would tell me who of my representatives is taking money in exchange for favorable laws and would support their opponent?

Two places to start (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869085)

...would be an organization known as Transparency International http://www.transparency.org/ [transparency.org] ; another would be Junior Chamber International http://www.jci.cc/ [www.jci.cc] (for the 18-40 crowd). The two organizations recently signed an agreement to collaborate their efforts.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (2, Insightful)

bheerssen (534014) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869122)

I'm not sure that this is exactly what you are looking for, but you can start at OpenSecrets.org.

http://www.opensecrets.org/ [opensecrets.org]

Re:and includes... (1)

symbolic (11752) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871238)

...one of the latest additions to their arsenal: business method/software patents.

One of the more repugnant aspects of laws that allow the kinds of abuse we've seen is that if they are allowed to continue for any length of time, correcting it is next to impossible, since it will entail fighting the massive numbers of entrenched interests that have been allowed to accumulate. A trained monkey can create horrible, even destructive legal policy. Cleaning up the mess...well, that will require more than we can probably get from many of our current legislators.

Let's not forget that WE, as consumers, as humans capable of exercising various degress of discipline, hold the key as to whether or not ANY of these policies and/or practices will survive. Hint: a company can't survive long without revenue, no matter how many laws are in place to "protect" it. This will always be the ace up our sleeve- we just need to be prepared to play our hand.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868807)

I'd fault the EFF lawyers for relying the notion that last minute documents (placed on a table no less), would make a difference in the outcome of a WIPO hearing. There are legal process ways to make your point of view heard (and of record). Putting some papers on a table is not one of those ways.

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (1)

Tooxs (56401) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871317)

Why did no one notice who took them? Twice!

Re:Guard the Table, EFF! (3, Insightful)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868971)

Not all companies would condone this kind of behaviour, but it is becoming evident that the amoral progress towards global capitalism are shattering our freedoms...
What's happening here isn't capitalism, but is rather regulatory capture, whereby an entity distorts the regulators' criteria for judgement, yielding an inefficient outcome. The most potent captures of regulatory processes are typically state entities, but large companies come a close second.

!!stolen!! (1)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869291)

Peace man, how can they steal if everything is in the public domain. Maybe they just 'took you up in the offer'.

I'm upset that they didn't put them in the recycle bin or pass them on though.

You open sores turds make me sick (-1, Troll)

slash-tard (689130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868127)

Copyright should only apply to shitty GPL lunix software not movies and music right?

Face it, lunix is third world software. To use the car analogy Appla fags love to use, its the equivilent of having a rusted pickup truck with a wooden flat bed on it.

Re:You open sores turds make me sick (-1, Troll)

buhatkj (712163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868211)

wow! ignorant AND un-educated. I don't need to even say anything witty to point out how wrong you are, your spelling mistakes will do it for me....

Your post is a window into your mind (0, Flamebait)

fredrated (639554) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868220)

And ugly it is indeed.

Stupidity: It's a renewable resourcee!

Howard Stern (4, Interesting)

Cyclone_TBW (812384) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868134)

Well according to Howard last night on Lettermen. Sat. Radio is the next big thing and he is going there to create is own rights. More power too him. I will pick on up just hear his first show which he said will be "One for the books".

Re:Howard Stern (3, Informative)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868443)

Unfortunately, I heard that Sirius will probably be getting commercials soon. The new head of Sirius was the head of Viacom, who is critical of any non-advertising-based revenue model.

Re:Howard Stern (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868558)

having some commercials on channels is not a bad thing. but there will always be some commercial free music stations.

Re:Howard Stern (1)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868592)

A corporation limit the amount of money it can take in? I wouldn't count on it...

Re:Howard Stern (1)

jspectre (102549) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868608)

well then. i imagine the people that moved to sirius to escape commericals will move to the competition for just that reason.

i abhor radio for the simple fact i can't stand commericals or the "dj's" and since both take up about 55 minutes of any given hour (and i can't stand the music on 99% of the public radio stations anyway) and that's why i happily bought an ipod almost 3 years ago now. keep it loaded up with songs and listen to it during my commute. no more radio. no more advertisements. no more annoying "dj's".

Just goes... (3, Insightful)

BJZQ8 (644168) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868180)

This just goes to show how far these corporations and individuals are willing to go to maintain their monopolistic control of what they have. It is worse than the railroads of the 1800's and the Standard Oils of the 1900's...I do not in the least doubt they will do anything, including murder, to maintain their way of life.

Re:Just goes... (3, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868483)

That's crazy talk.

By the way, and this has absolutely nothing to do with your recent statements, would you mind posting your home address and a recent photo here? Just so, you know, the nice folks here at GlobalMegaCorp can sent you a "Thank you" ham or something.

Just goes...Court of Public Opinion. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868540)

Look up the phrase "circumstantial evidence".

No one witnessed any "stealing", nor any connection between corporations and the "theft" of papers is supported by the evidence presented so far.

Just goes...Death of Slashdot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10870804)

Hey! To the moderator who moderated me troll. Thank you. Every time someone says this [slashdot.org] I'll point out the fine job of moderation you did.
It's not like it's my [slashdot.org] reputation you're hurting.

Re:Just goes... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868594)

standard oil was of the 1800's and was broken up by the first anti-trust laws by the TR Justice department in the early 1900's

Re:Just goes... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869118)

And what pray tell made that possible? Journalism. It wasn't good, but it was there, all over the place. Today, it's extinct.

This just sickens me. (3, Insightful)

Tuxedo Jack (648130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868193)

It's really rather sad when somebody (we all know who they're working for, but don't let this be tried in the court of public opinion; get evidence first) takes papers that go after the industry and attempt to hide them.

But for the love of Jack Valenti, do it right - burn them or shred them, don't dump them behind a trash can!

Is it possible that that person wanted the documents found at the last minute to draw up controversy over this?

What if? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868250)

Is it possible that that person wanted the documents found at the last minute to draw up controversy over this?

What if they did? Seriously. It's not like the EFF has the advantage. They don't have the budget their opposition has to the tune of billions of dollars. You can buy a judge for a few million or less, and it has happened before. Even if they did put the dox behind the trash themselves, they are fighting the good fight.

But I seriously doubt they would try and harm their own case just to get some notice. The EFF is not like Greenpeace or PETA. The EFF is a sensible bunch of people.

Re:What if? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868457)

You're assuming that the original parent is suggesting that the EFF is behind the disapearance isntead of either someone who sympathizes with the EFF or someone who is against the people that the EFF are against.

Re:What if? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868678)

You're assuming that the original parent is suggesting that the EFF is behind the disapearance isntead of either someone who sympathizes with the EFF or someone who is against the people that the EFF are against.

True. I was assuming that. But even if someone else did it that was on the side of the EFF, I don't know if I would disagree with it. That's the kinda stuff the Liberal party does during elections in Canada (the elected party). In the early 90's the Liberals helped distribute (and possibly create) a Tory commercial that depicted the Liberal leader like he was a deformed idiot (basically it was making fun of Jean Chretien's face, which was caused by a childhood case of polio.) This triggered outrage in Canadians and forced the Tories to obtain only two seats. So it works!

There have been other double dealings since; one where the Liberal candidate and now Premier of Ontario, was depicted in an email as a kitten eater, a blatant reference to a Buffy quote. It was rumored that the Liberals helped to circulate the Tory memo in that regard too. There were other stories but those two stand out in the forefront as similar to this action, except the Liberals held a strong lead in both cases. (and the EFF doesn't have the same financial ability as the Libs)

What it comes down to is that people will do anything for power. But if the EFF doesn't have the advantage that their competitors have, I don't see a problem with them or those who support them, leveling the playing field.

Re:This just sickens me. (0, Troll)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868448)

Is it possible that that person wanted the documents found at the last minute to draw up controversy over this?

Yeah, right. And Kerry won the election. And Scott Peterson was framed. And Kobe was at home with his wife that day, not in Colorado. And O.J. Simpson was on his way to the airport thinking about how much he loved his ex-wife...

IP Laws (1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868205)

IP laws are in the transh..now litterally.

Finally, the EFF get EFFed! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868235)

Or is it 'the EFF get EFGed'? Perhaps 'EFF get G-ed'? Or 'EFF get GHI' ed? :)

It deserves a +5! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869252)

It is supposed to be FUNNY! Don't you guys ever get the joke when you see one?! With a big EFF in the organization's initial, it's only a matter of time before someone churning out some abbreviated humours. I wonder what's the bigger joke, the EFFplotiation, or the morons rated it down because they are SO comedically challenged.

Re:Finally, the EFF get EFFed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869300)

Actually, it will be 'The EFF get FFEd-up', as in putting the big EFF backwards.

Re:Finally, the EFF get EFFed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869443)

Strange, I thought that would be 'The EFF get VWW-ed'.

Uphill? (5, Funny)

ggeezz (100957) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868266)

I'm not sure I'd call it an uphill battle if the best plan their opponents can think up is to use the bathroom trash can to dispose of the documents.

Acts of Desperation (5, Insightful)

Doesn't_Comment_Code (692510) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868304)

While I never like to see sleezy behaviour, I've always thought it was a good sign when your adversary starts acting out of desperation. It means:

-you are a real threat
-their normal measures have not beaten you
-they are likely to make mistakes due to their "emotional" state

It is terrible that someone stole material and threw it away. And it is terrible that people's hard work has been set back. BUT, whoever did this is backed into a corner and feeling very threatened.

Re:Acts of Desperation (4, Insightful)

adam31 (817930) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868509)

-you are a real threat
-their normal measures have not beaten you

While this is a 'good sign', it's not really a material advantage. When facing a strong opponent that you are squaring to attack, it's generally best to be overlooked and unthreatening as long as possible... then BAM! FireFox 'em just when they think you're irrelevent!

Man that's a cool verb.

Re:Acts of Desperation (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868660)

First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.

-- Mohandas Ghandi.

Thanks, Redhat, for reminding us.

Re:Acts of Desperation (4, Insightful)

mOdQuArK! (87332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869569)

Ghandi's passive-aggressive tactics work only when your enemy likes to consider itself civilized, and can be shamed into doing the right thing.

If your enemy doesn't give a damn about such things, they will cheerfully destroy you and continue on their merry way without a backwards glance.

Re:Acts of Desperation (1)

isaac (2852) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868876)

While I never like to see sleezy behaviour, I've always thought it was a good sign when your adversary starts acting out of desperation.

Yeah, I'm sure the EFF will win any day now. Those little, *GIGANTIC* media conglomorates sure don't stand a chance now.

This sort of incident just reflects the win-at-all-costs mentality of the dominant players, not their weakness. They'll do anything to win, and they usually do.

The EFF, on the other hand, loses. A lot. I've given them a fair amount of money over the years, and I'm very supportive of what they do, but every battle they fight is wildly lopsided and their results reflect this.

-Isaac

Drats. Foiled again! (4, Funny)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868311)

As WIPO creates new rights for broadcasters, documents critical of these rights created by EFF and IP Justice were stolen and recovered in a bathroom trashcan.

Damn, I never thought they'd check the men's bathroom trashcans. Maybe I should try the women's bathroom trashcans next time.

Re:Drats. Foiled again! (3, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868491)

Back in the day I worked maintenance at an amusement park. I had to get there at 6 AM, before the cleaning people got to the bathroomst. I went into a men's room and one of the toilets was backed up and spilled all over. So I decided, hell, it's 6 AM, no one else is here yet, I'll use the ladies room. Went in there. They have a little box, on the wall, by the toilet. DO NOT LOOK IN THIS BOX. EVER.

Re:Drats. Foiled again! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869511)

Haw haw, someone found the secret stash of used tampons and pads!

Re:Drats. Foiled again! (1)

NeoSkandranon (515696) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871700)

You looked didn't you.

"Method for storing important documents in trash" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868328)

Yep, definitely infringing on my patent.

Re:"Method for storing important documents in tras (1)

happyfrogcow (708359) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869482)

Nope! They used a different method and I hear they patented it first. "Method for compressing and storing important documents in the trash". That is, they crumpled up the papers first.

Reminds me of me (1)

mogrify (828588) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868334)

I once stole a stack of soon-to-be-assigned reading packets off a teacher's desk when he stepped out for coffee. Of course, I was in the eighth grade. Grow up already! Take it like a man!

They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (2, Funny)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868366)

Just doing a "Delete" puts it in the recycle bin. Duh.

Re:They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (0, Troll)

elid (672471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868667)

Ha! You can still undelete it unless you overwrite the actual file!

Re:They should have clicked "SHIFT-Delete" (1)

theLOUDroom (556455) | more than 9 years ago | (#10870413)

Just doing a "Delete" puts it in the recycle bin. Duh.

Except that the documents were found in a trash can, NOT a recycling bin.

Obviously mac users are to blame. Clearly mac users hate our freedom!

How many? (3, Funny)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868376)

How many Bavarian Illuminati does it take to change a light bulb?

Three. One to screw it in, and one to confuse the issue.

In other news... (2, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868396)

Italy announced today that they would not sign the treaty. Quoth their Prime Minister, "I uh WIPO my assuh on your treaty-uh." /ducks

No Laptop? (1)

nosleep_tolkachi (665352) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868529)

Perhaps I am missing a key point (such as the paper was notorized), but no one had a digital copy to print?

Re:No Laptop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869823)

They had no spare hardcopies, and there was no photo copier available to make extra copies in advance. They've probably learnt to bring spare copies after this, or a printer.

Just like the Good Old Days! (4, Insightful)

serutan (259622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868548)

Behold our modern IP warlords, staking out their territory, taxing us peasants for living on it and dictating how and when we can use it, hiring warriors to defend it against others, and all the while declaring that their property is sacred and their authority comes from God.

Re:Just like the Good Old Days! (1)

JonnyCalcutta (524825) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869611)

And you're surprised? Capitalism isn't a step up from feudalism, its just feudalism in another form. Control of capital is just an extension of control of the land. Instead of a heirarchy of peasants, lords and kings we have a heirarchy of workers, managers and bankers (and don't forget their armies of lawyers, like you said).

Re:Just like the Good Old Days! (1)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 9 years ago | (#10870779)

In both cases it is control over the means of production, being it food, programming methods, broadcasting rights or otherwise, so indeed there is little difference there (there are other differences, ie, feodalism having to do with how a country is governed while capitalism is an economic system)

Civil Disobedience Helps... (5, Interesting)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868597)

Massive complete ignorance of current copyright laws and any future laws will gear the marketplace away from strict standards no matter what the law says. The law once said 'separate but equal' and the marketplace said fuck that.

Well, Internet users are saying fuck that to media corporations. TV-viewers with VCRs and Tivos (and MythTV, you arrogant linux jerks) are saying fuck that to the stupid-loud-ads-in-your face-business-model.

The more the DMCA is being used in its limitless obscurity, the more it is being struck the fuck down. The more software patents become reality, the more prior art can be claimed in open source.

The marketplace controls demand and demand always controls supply. Big bad Joe wouldn't be selling pot to 16yo kids if 16yo kids weren't buyin'.

So, basically, I'm saying to hell with these corporations trying to tell me what to do with something after I already bought it. If I wanna cut a tennis ball in half and use it as a neato door stop, fuck Wilson if they tell me that's unauthorized use. They can fuck off because I paid for the balls... actually, because I have the balls. I already have the mp3s of the songs I want (don't need any new crappy music in my collection) and they weren't available for purchase when I wanted them, and CDs don't always play right and get scratched easily, so why should I go buy the cds of said music now? Make new shit for me to buy... that is worth buying.

There's safety in numbers - especially in a Democracy that gets to vote for who's in power. Crappy laws can be removed. And guess what, media companies?! -- the majority, consequently your own customers, is already against you! So fuck off and go produce something that I will buy instead of treating me like I'm not buying enough.

If it were easier to buy a high-quality mp3 for a buck that came with a keychain or some neato bullshit like that, I wouldn't have pirated them.

So, media companies, here's how to un-piss us off:

- apologize for calling your customers criminals
- make access to media easier rather than harder
- go with the fucking marketplace flow like a good megaconglomerate
- do some market research that doesn't involve what you think you're owed
- act like the consumer has a say in what he or she buys
- quit treating idiots in masses (ie. consumers) as idiots.. we tend to get smart in numbers
- make better shit

And finally, all of you pirates that are too lazy to click twice at the EFF website, donate, or fire off a flaming letter filled with poo at your nearest corrupt government fuck, you're still doing your patriotic duty by pirating. I want to liken you to MLK's stand of civil disobedience - but that would be unfair since you're just downloading Britney Spears while the black dudes got their poor asses beat. So instead, I will just say hurrah for teen angst and continue your P2P deviations.. because you are saying a lot, no matter how ignorant the media companies want to be.

Sorry I said fuck a lot.

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868677)

"Well, Internet users are saying fuck that to media corporations."

I'd bet my left testicle that most people aren't downloading entire albums because they want to 'stick it to the man.'

While I suppose that it's more likely that there may be some Slashdotters that would do so to send a message to the recording industry, most music downloaders just want music but don't want to pay for it.

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (1)

man_ls (248470) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868800)

I download illegally, only what I can't get through legal channels.

There was a distinct lack of music stores which sold music I wanted to listen to in my hometown (less so, here in Atlanta) and my legal online distro channel (www.allofmp3.com) which charges less than a dollar an album (electronic delivery in any format, no DRM) doesn't have a lot of things either.

So, I use private DC hubs with people in close geographic proximity to me to find songs I simply cannot purchase.

About half of my collection is purchased music; the rest downloaded (or ripped from a free webcast thereof.)

I have approximately 6,500 songs.

Civil Disobedience Helps...My Ego. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868883)

I think the better question in all the face of that rage is: where were you when all this was in the planning stages? Why is all your "civil (a misnomer) disobediance" after the fact? I've yet to hear a single "I'm in it for the disobediance" person say "I tried to keep the Sonny Bono Act from passing, but I failed." or "I saw the DMCA coming from a mile away and was in the halls of congress protesting"

There's not even a "Hey Tivo! I see what you're thinking. Don't do it man!". The letters of protest? Someone check the mens bathroom. Maybe they were stolen too?

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (1)

autophile (640621) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871086)

most music downloaders just want music but don't want to pay for it.

I think there's a proportion of downloaders who would pay, but just not to the RIAA. I'd certainly want to pay the artist directly. [slashdot.org]

--Rob

I'm getting a sense of deja vu, that strange feeling we sometimes get that we've commented on something before, that what is posted now has already been posted. I'm getting a sense of deja vu, that strange feeling we sometimes get that we've... (looks puzzled for a moment) [docweasel.com]

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (3, Interesting)

glasse (817373) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868905)

It's my opinion that peer-to-peer filesharing improves sales for RIAA and the like. As such, I no longer find it ethical to distribute their copyrighted works -- it's like giving them advertising. What I would *like* to do to them isn't very ethical either, though, so I'm just going to try to wait for their eventual demise to market forces, and promote things like Webjay and Gnomoradio.

Ethan

Now apply this to indie music (1)

dspeyer (531333) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871922)

You're right about the publicity effect, but we need to take it one step farther. We can't squeeze the big label musicians out of mindshare because the big music labels are the big news sources (more or less) and have no regret about using the latter channels to promote the former.

What we need to do is use P2P and other systems to publicize independant music. It ought to be possible to create some semi-distributed music recommendation system, preferably combined with free distribution of samples. If anyone would like to work with me on this, e-mail me.

As an ad-hoc beginning, I'm currently listening to The Horse-Tamer's Daughter by Julia Ecklar [prometheus-music.com] who I highly recommend.

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871049)

TV-viewers with VCRs and Tivos (and MythTV, you arrogant linux jerks)

One can use a TiVo and be an arrogant Linux jerk.

Re:Civil Disobedience Helps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10871154)

Warp records'll sell you some pretty good music, mp3 drm unemcumbered too... get some aphex twin in yer mp3!

You sound like a Kevin Smith Character (1)

Pacorro (16464) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871502)

fuckin Affleck

bathroom thrash can (1)

edson at lies.cl (652479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868626)

"As WIPO creates new rights for broadcasters, documents critical of these rights created by EFF and IP Justice were stolen and recovered in a bathroom trashcan."

and there were clean?

Bathroom trash can (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868725)

That's just proof that someone read them.

What else can use a stack of papers for in the bathro-- oh my god dear no! someone think of the childern.

Typical republican tricks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10868726)

If you can't beat your opponent fair and square, then CHEAT! After all, the ends justifies the means.

See I told you so! (2, Funny)

Fr05t (69968) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868728)

*points at co-workers, family and friends* I TOLD YOU THEY WERE EVIL! EEEEEVIIIIILLLLL! Who's a paranoid wacko now? oh yeah I guess there's that other stuff too, but not this!

You know... (1)

rewt66 (738525) | more than 9 years ago | (#10868810)

It might be possible to get the perpetrator's fingerprints off of the papers (if the Good Guys(tm) were careful in how they handled the papers once they found them in the trash).

stolen and recovered in a trashcan? (2, Interesting)

mark-t (151149) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869239)

Methinks that phrase is missing a comma.

Otherwise, doesn't this phrase mean that the theft itself, as well as the recovery, took place within a trashcan? (which would imply an awfully small thief, not to mention a rather unusual place to have such important documents in the first place).

[Moderation -1, Grammar Nazi]

Re:stolen and recovered in a trashcan? (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871617)

I think you're looking for "stolen then recovered from a trashcan".

Just my $0.02.

A letter to WIPO companies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869340)

I will show your companies as much respect as you show us.

In short, I have zero respect.

FUCKHEADS.

Re:A letter to WIPO companies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869872)

I'm sure they're crying themselves to sleep on their cash-stuffed pillows.

What were they thinking (1)

tacocat (527354) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869573)

Gosh, maybe they should take a lesson from the 1950's American Foreign Policies of trying to manipulate other peoples

Maybe it's time to go back to boycotts

The Corporation (2, Interesting)

danila (69889) | more than 9 years ago | (#10869671)

A particularly nice movie: The Corporation [imdb.com] . Nothing groundbreaking, but that was not the point. The point was to tell the story of how corporations came to being and why they are so fucking heartless. It includes interviews with people both inside and outside the corporate world. If you never thought about why the corporations occupy the place in your world that they now do, this films could be an eye-opener. Below are the eDonkey links for the film (3 episodes, different encodings), but other networks may have them as well.

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20Cd1.mpg|6141704 52 |61E26051E883C07D83646F94EA51DD27|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20Cd2.avi|5168563 46 |A0779FC2FCB779170A0D731080FE05A0|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e1.1.mp4|972724 24 |512F7E9F820E44F3DE13FF9D1470D9D9|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e1.2.mp4|567266 03 |B3AEB0657C12ADF02F65A4BBDB490A21|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e2.1.mp4|974124 74 |87C48DC6F846ACDDFFF3A1C634A67555|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e2.2.mp4|564471 98 |4DD8040BC28C0E6AAFC8C9556240E4E5|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e3.1.mp4|973943 90 |BEB7F1F625126E8BCB53A6FC0621BB12|/

ed2k://|file|The%20Corporation%20e3.2.mp4|604896 22 |8C19BFCC0FC0871EB087B908AE19D818|/

Personally with every new day I realise how the history comes back 100 years ago in some respects... The struggle of the proletariat against the capitalist opressors did not end, despite what you may have been told. It is inevitable, let's just hope we all do better this time.

What About Healthcare Information? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869712)

There are HUGE power grabs occurring which will transform the US and its citizens' ability to own their own information which are getting very little media notice. Check out the Federal Register's November 15th Request for Information on how best to remove traditional medical record conidentiality and instead make all of your medical information "interoperable" and accessible by the government and others for data mining.

See: http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/06jun20041 800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2004/04-25382.htm

Please Save Our Earth (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10869747)

Please, Everyone needs to help, Each and every one of you despite your race, religion, or creed. We must save our planet from ourselves. The extreme concentrations of CO2, a greehouse gas, come FROM OUR BODIES. I Request it, that you stop breathing. To save our country, Our Freedom, Our Equality, Everyone must die.

--oogle

Re:Please Save Our Earth (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871109)

I'd be satisfied with most people if they'd just stop producing methane.

Re:Please Save Our Earth (0, Offtopic)

hplasm (576983) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871281)

OK!

gmmmmmmph!

!

....

!

GAH!!!

sorry...

Prior Art or Infringment (0, Offtopic)

IBitOBear (410965) | more than 9 years ago | (#10870634)

char * X;
char * Y; ...
if (X != Y) { ...
}

The above if statement contains "A system, method and computer-readable medium support the use of a single operator that allows a comparison of two variables to determine if the two variables point to the same location in memory." (The quote is the entire abstract of the patent application.)

I'm sorry, but God needs to destroy the USPTO from space at this point.

Off Topic My Ass... (1)

IBitOBear (410965) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871291)

Sometimes I think these moderator people are insane.

While the patent itself is for BASIC, the claims and abstract are quite elementary. I even *quoted* the abstract in its entirity. And doing a not-equal operation on a pair of pointers is all about finding out whether two vairables "point to the same location in memory".

In the old PC environment, with the non-flat memory model the pointers would need to be normalized (a-la the HUGE memory model), but that's about it.

So this is very much on-topic.

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Letter to my MP (2, Interesting)

Morosoph (693565) | more than 9 years ago | (#10871371)

Dear Anne Campbell,

I'm writing to you on intellectual property, but this time not
specifically in Europe, but rather in the World Intellectual Property
Organization. It appears that the body is not neutrally seeking
informed democratic policy-making, but rather simply attempting to
coerce its members into accepting strong IPR. I do not believe that
this should be the way in which an international body should work,
and I would hope that our government agrees.

Below, I have extracted relevant sections from the linked webpages.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/002130.php#0 02130 [eff.org]

WIPO: Day 3

November 19, 2004

Today at WIPO saw a flat-out disgraceful cooking of the deliberative
process. The administrators of the meeting -- the chair and secretariat
-- are pushing hard to make this treaty pass, even if no one wants it
to. The solution to the deadlock is "regional meetings" in which
countries that oppose the treaty can be isolated and arm-twisted into
coming into line, and where few or no public-interest NGOs will be
present. Some of the most populous countries in the world -- India and
Brazil -- along with many others called for a better approach: any
region that wants a meeting can have one, but the real action would be
at an "inter-sessional meeting" held in Geneva, with all countries
represented. Even though these countries presented a solution that would
have given regional meetings to those who wanted them, the chair
steadfastly refused to hear from them -- eventually, he used a straw
poll to discard their proposal altogether, and then called it
"democracy."

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/002117.php [eff.org]

Both yesterday and again today, written statements provided by IP
Justice and the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which were placed on the
table designated for floor papers, were stolen within minutes of being
deposited on the table. Additionally yesterday documents provided by the
Union for the Public Domain were also missing shortly after being placed
on the table.

This morning, many of these documents were recovered from the trash can
in the first floor men's restroom. Another set of IP Justice statements
as well as copies of the alternative NGO Proposal for a Broadcasting
Treaty were recovered from behind a desk on the ground floor. These
documents provided by IP Justice, EFF, and the Union for the Public
Domain were critical of the Broadcasting Treaty. The papers drafted by
the broadcasting industry, urging the treaty's adoption, however, remain
undisturbed on the table for floor papers.

Yours sincerely,
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