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Lucy Linux, Dressed to Kill

CmdrTaco posted more than 15 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

Linux 175

An anonymous reader sent us a fairly positive article about Linux but written primarily from the perspective of a Mac advocate. Talks a lot about KDE, the usability issues and similiarities between Mac and Linux advocacy.

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Not a bad mascot... You know you want me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941079)

that was one of the redhat sluts they drove up from north carolina.
think its in the linuxworld pics... the things ppl wont do for commercial software.
viva debian!

Not a bad mascot.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941082)

Did anyone notice todays Doonesbury in the paper!
Seems, i believe her name is Alexa, the little girl who has her web-cam up, is pushing "Red Cap" Linux on her web-cam site.

If there's need for a new mascot, it should be her!

miss mac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941083)

imho, Miss Mac [applelinks.com] is way cuter than Lucy Linux [applelinks.com]

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941084)

You can edit your .Xresources to fix the page up/down problem. It seems that Redhat modifies their resources to not do that by default.

But an Apple put Linux on it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941086)

I bought a PowerBook G3, specifically to run Linux, how many laptops have builtin SCSI and Ethernet?

put me in zombie state (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941087)

that's fer sure!

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941089)

Middle button can be simulated by pressing right+left button at the same time.

Linux is much easier to handle than a 6-ft blonde. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941090)

Believe me, I learned the hard way!

man xterm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941094)

>And part of the problem with X is that this middle-button-paste is not documented at all.

man xterm contains this:
[clip...]
Pointer button two (usually middle) `types' (pastes) the text from the
PRIMARY selection, if any, otherwise from the cut buffer, inserting it
as keyboard input.
[clip...]

linuxchiq; Miss Mac, the woman who did me wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941095)

Well, that girl was cute, but she looked like a girl, not a woman. (Then again, maybe she's just young-looking... nah!.)

Getting back to the article and the analogy used, I'm confused whether Miss Mac is Apple itself, or Apple's customers. 'Cause if it's Apple corp., then I've dated Miss Mac, and man, the woman did me wrong!. I thought she was pretty, but she just took all my money, when I wanted action, she just called me a geek. I better stop before I write a blues song.

Lucy Linux, however, has a heart of gold!

I hear Linux runs on the Mac. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941096)

Which leaves utterly heart-broken.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941098)

and you put up with having to reboot every five minutes?

That's not cut and paste... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941104)

That's not what I consider cut and paste. Cut and paste means that you can higlight something, cut it, unhilight it, go do stuff for a while, then maybe hours later paste it somewhere. The biggest problem with the middle mouse method is that it has to be hilighted to paste., so I can't cut something, and then hilight something else to paste over.

Now that's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941105)

Ya know, I've played with Macs before... Hell, I even used one while writing in high school, but I've never taken it seriously as an OS I'd use. I read that article and I wanted to laugh out load here at work. I'm sorry, Mac people talking about how good their OS is and then showing Linux next to it... well, if Microsoft did that five years ago my system wouldn't be infected with Windows 98.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941106)

I bit the bullet and bought a Turbo Mouse. My one button mouse now sits weaping in the corner. Cut and paste, I messed around until I figured it out.
BTW, I'm posting this using MkLinux on my G3. Soon to be a proud owner of LinuxPPC.

Forbidden By Ratings Check (mirror needed!) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941107)

Here too. We need a mirror!

Photoshop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941108)

have you tried using the gimp for cymk? last i heard, it couldn't be done.

-cpt kangarooski, too lazy to login

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941109)

Women are "open source." Most of us just don't want to know what they are thinking...

Face it, most women aren't thinking about how "much" they "want" to fulfil some "geek's" sexual fantasies.

I'm sure most /.'ers don't want to know this...

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941111)

I'd finally be able to understand them.

But an Apple put Linux on it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941114)

I bought a PowerBook G3, specifically to run Linux, hoe many laptops have builtin SCSI and Ethernet?

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1941115)

Some would embrace her. Some would find fault, because she is not the right type of open source.

New Poll (0)

PHroD (1018) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941116)

Preferred Mascot:

- Miss Mac
- Lucy Linux
- Tux
- Cheesecake (Mmmmmmm...Cheeeesecaaaake)
- Taco sux0r/polls suck/hemos blows

miss mac (0)

PHroD (1018) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941117)

miss mac has a certain Melissa Milaon charm about her, but is too 80's lookin...blonde tall and long-legged is good ;)

GIMP GIMP GIMP GIMP (0)

aheitner (3273) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941118)

all hail the holy gimp.

Photoshop sux.

And is way out of my price range :)

Yay GIMP.

Who else loves the GIMP?

Ctrl-u is your friend! (1)

Steven Borrelli (354) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941120)

You can get around the annoying behavior in Netscape by erasing the URL before your paste.

Just click in the Location: box and type
Ctrl-u and it will erase the URL.

_steve

Great article (1)

J4 (449) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941122)

Good readin' for a friday afternoon. The author
suggests a point that he doesn't state as such.
The idea is *nix, whatever the flavor, is the wave
of the future.
You gotta love that.

Funny indeed... (1)

avm (660) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941125)

Might I interject that Apple's primary product is not the Mac OS, but the hardware that it runs on? While MacOS 8.5 and previous versions are very sorry examples of OS design, MacOS X shows a lot of promise. As for "Mac people talking about how good their OS is", this article is written from the context of a Mac zealot...would you expect him to badmouth MacOS?

Also, there are alternative OS's for Macs, both 68k and PPC. Allow me to submit NetBSD [netbsd.org] , OpenBSD [openbsd.org] , BeOS [be.com] , and LinuxPPC [linuxppc.com] for consideration. My Mac Centris (old, I know) runs NetBSD and MacOS...the primary functions of MacOS are, 1. booting NetBSD, and 2. Downloading packages to my Newton MessagePad.

All in all, I found it a nice look into the mind of a Mac addict as he views the Linux phenomenon.

Lucy Linux (1)

mackga (990) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941130)

Yesssss. Let's get Nikita as mascot. She'll take care of ol' Billy boy, heheheheheh.

Abita Purple Haze (1)

mackga (990) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941131)

Hmmmm. Had me a few of those at Ralph & Kuckoo's(sic) in Baton Rouge. Verrrrry good.

miss mac (1)

snort (1241) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941134)

Miss Mac aint bad, but shes definitely lacking some sex appeal compared to Lucy.

Damn, I need a bucket of cold water to pour on my head now.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

ptomblin (1378) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941136)

"cut and paste...were non-existant"???? I've been using cut and paste under X since the X 10 days. Just highlight with the mouse in one application, then hit the paste button (middle mouse button) in any other application. It works a lot more consistently than cut and paste on my Windows machine, and doesn't require the extra headache of pulling down the Edit->Copy and Edit->Paste menus.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

Chops-Frozen-Water (2085) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941138)

And the use of mouse buttons as copy/paste substitutes is documented where? :)
It's not something that's directly obvious to someone used to a different interface. Both Windows and MacOS have Edit menus with the options so someone could, in theory, find them. It also requires a "middle" mouse button, which not everyone has.

-Virgil
--

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

Rick_T (3816) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941150)

| Things that Mac users take for granted, like
| copy and paste, and consistent key shortccuts
| across applications, are non-existant.

I presume you're using a two-button mouse under X11? X cut-and-paste (which does exist - it's how I pasted the text I quoted above) works much better when you have a three button mouse, as the middle button is used to paste. Note that this is for the most part text cut 'n' paste only, but it it there, and works with pretty much any X application. If you've got a two button mouse you can usually emulate a three-button by clicking left and right at once, but this is a far from optimal solution when you can get a 3-button mouse that'll work in X for dirt cheap.

As for the consistent key shortcuts, remember that X isn't a GUI. :)

GIMP GIMP GIMP GIMP (1)

Leapfrog (4220) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941151)

To say that Photoshop is even in the same realm as the GIMP is A) an insult to the GIMP, and B) and indicator of just how little you know about the GIMP.

< /flamebait >

what!? (1)

ferret (4281) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941152)

OS Matrix SRP
Linux $0-headache in 6 seconds flat
(just kidding, I had a bad linux week)
Mac OS $90-100
Win98 $180-200
WinNT $275-300
Which proprietary OS is cheaper again?!
Completely open? I've heard the occasional grumble that bits of Linux are completely open. I'm not sure how that works tho...
Many platforms? why, do have all them?!
Apple Darwin comes pretty close to completely open source (at least in spirit it does) and all it'll take is porters to get it to different cpu's and that work is done for x86 according to some coders.

true dat (1)

datazone (5048) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941153)

its so faste to cut and paste text in X.
When i am in windows, i always try to use the X method, and then i sit and wonder why the damn thing didn't paste. Then i remember that i got to right click, seclect copy, the right click again and then select paste. Its a real hassle. Anyway...

One problem with analogy (1)

Baldy (6034) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941157)

I can I'm pretty experienced with Linux... but 6 foot tall blondes?

Otherwise - a great article that sheds some light on the goofy super-evangelist types.

MacOS and Linux and Jilted Girlfriends (1)

Bilbo (7015) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941158)

> All the stuff comparing the OSes to women was just plain stupid. It didn't serve to make any point ...

Oh come on! I'm pretty conservative, and I could have done without the JPG files, but I think he used a perfect metaphor! Haven't you ever heard a Mac user (Or for that matter, a die-hard Linux user) talking about his computer? You'd think they have sex with the thing by the way they gush over its features. It's as bad as religion (and I'm religious too). When you've spent that much time fighting for the existence of your OS against the onslaught of the Evil Empire, when you know you can serve the user better, only to have the limelight stolen by someone else...

Well, he might have come up with some other metaphor, but not one with the same level of resonance as the julted girlfriend.

linuxchiq (1)

Bilbo (7015) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941159)

Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but try the Linux Chiq [ebicom.net] .

Here's a link to it. (1)

thinker (7404) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941160)

Doonesbury 19990409 [uclick.com]

Damn you, uclick.com!

If that does not work, go to http://www.newsday.com/comics/comics.htm.
------- --------------------------
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,

I still prefer Rosie... (1)

thinker (7404) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941161)

Rosie [linuxppc.com]

As a mascot, that is.
---------------------------------
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,

Here's a link to it. (1)

thinker (7404) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941162)


Doonesbury 19990409 [uclick.com]

The URL will probably change tomorrow.

Trudeau is a commie ass wipe.

I always preferred Bloom County.
---------------------------------
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,

Linux is much easier to handle than a 6-ft blonde. (1)

Stradivarius (7490) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941163)

ah, but handling the 6-ft blonde chick is SO much more fun than handling Linux!

;-p

thank (insert your deity here)! for this thread (1)

adraken (8869) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941164)

i've been using linux constantly (workstation/router/server/blah) for the past 8 months maybe, (maybe i've never checked xterm's man file (never had to, pretty simple:)) i've always been pissed off at netscape's inconsistency in copying and pasting, (i.e. the paste menu item was still greyed off when i had selected something. grr.. but finally someone mentioned X's ability to paste with the middle mouse button. ahh. thanks a bunch :) btw (made transition from slack -> debian and loving every minute of it, except for the unexplained wp8 seg faults and rvplayer's refusal to work)...

Argh, doncha hate that! (1)

Some guy named Chris (9720) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941166)

...if I want to paste a URL into Netscape, selecting the current URL blows away the new URL I just copied. It ought to be possible to select text without clobbering the contents of the clipboard. I also frequently want to use the contents of the clipboard several times, and I would like it to stay there until I am done with it.

AMEN!

That drives me nuts as well. I'm not sure, but I think that is a function of the window manager (selection), isn't it?

It should be possible to change how selection works at the window manager level, it would be nice if some of the WM developers would give us the choice between implicit selection (like we have now) and explicit selection.

If you've got an Xlib programming manual handy, check out chapter 12.4.

Who knows, maybe I'll try to hack explicit selection into a window manager this weekend...

Forbidden By Ratings Check (1)

Some guy named Chris (9720) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941167)

Heheh, I don't know what else they've got on that site, but my companies firewall won't let me get it...

"Forbidden By Ratings Check" - what a hoot!

Next, good ol' slashdot won't be on the approved site list. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that my company has sold it's soul to Microsoft.

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy (1)

binarybits (11068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941169)

Until Apple offers an OS that doesn't crash, doesn't cost $$, is completely open, and runs on many platforms (x86, powerpc, alpha, sparc...), forget them.

If Apple continues with Darwin, this is exactly what you will have. It already doesn't crash, doesn't cost money, and partially open. It is written in a way that it can be easily ported to other platforms.

Remember though that they are a hardware company, so they are not going to give all their software for free, and they are not going to develop software for competing platforms. But this is true of any corporation, and you have to buy hardware from someone.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

binarybits (11068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941170)

I had to use X for hours before I figured out that middle button is paste. And you don't have to do edit->copy, edit->paste on a Mac. You can do this with keyboard shortcuts which takes practically no time at all. As I am sure you are aware, Apple established the convention of using zxcv for the 4 most common operations, so you can invoke them by feel with one hand. And part of the problem with X is that this middle-button-paste is not documented at all. Nor is it terribly consistent. It works slightly differently differently in some applications than others. Nearly every Mac app I have seen supports the standard File and Edit menu commands with the standard key shortcuts. Linux simply does not have this level of consistency.

The other thing I find really annoying about X cut-and-paste is that the operations of selecting and copying are indistinuaishable. For example, if I want to paste a URL into Netscape, selecting the current URL blows away the new URL I just copied. It ought to be possible to select text without clobbering the contents of the clipboard. I also frequently want to use the contents of the clipboard several times, and I would like it to stay there until I am done with it. In X this means that I can't do any text selections (say in emacs) until I am done with the contents of the clipboard. The time I save with the middle-button click is more than taken up in going back to recopy something that got overwritten in the clipboard.

There are a *lot* of things like that in X. For all its improvements, the unix GUI's are still less intuitive, consistent, and useful than either Windows or the Mac OS. Linux is a kick-ass OS in technical terms, but it has a long way to go before I am willing to give up my Mac as my primary home computer.

Just my Mac partisan $.02

Not a bad mascot... (1)

stimpy (11763) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941174)

missmac wasn't bad either, actually...

The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend (1)

Sleepyguy (12339) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941176)

"Have you noticed that one and only one software maker consitantly spreads FUD, lies and misinformation about the competetion?"

No I haven't, not to defend Microsoft too much, but maybe you haven't been listening to Apple talk about MS latly, or for that matter the Linux community in general talking about MS or Apple.



The enemy of my enemy is my enemy (1)

Kludge (13653) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941177)

Until Apple offers an OS that doesn't crash, doesn't cost $$, is completely open, and runs on many platforms (x86, powerpc, alpha, sparc...),
forget them.

Photoshop (1)

VinceJH (14059) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941178)

That is why you shouldn't say gimp in a reply to "wheres photoshop." Still, gimp would be good to artsy people who want to make digital art, web pages, games, lots of stuff that just doesn't need to be printed. Its not a toy just becuase you can't do whatever you want with it. I hear that toy remark sometimes, not from this guy though.

good substitute (1)

VinceJH (14059) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941179)

After using linux for a little while, that cruddy little system of doing right clicks, menu, cut, right menu .... on and on, gets anoying when in windows. Use linux for a while, and you will almost forget it.

Also, the keyboard shortcuts can do cut and paste. Like I can right click a mail URL from netscape, and copy it in balsa with "SHIFT+INS". I use balsa, a gnome app, to show that it is pretty consistent with most X apps. If the app isn't consistent with that, and it's a big deal to you, don't use it. (however, netscape used to crash when when using "SHIFT+INS". Lets see if works with the 4.51 version after I click submit).

Photoshop (1)

VinceJH (14059) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941181)

By anybody who doesn't know what the gimp is, or its printing problems, this relates only to people who need to make magazines, brouchers, etc. It should be fine for making images to print out for a report or the like.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

VinceJH (14059) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941183)

How do I know to click the right mouse button. Plus, most can do it by clicking 2 the left+right buttons together (yea, I know this is a mac article, but the people with linux on a mac must do something like that).

Forbidden By Ratings Check (1)

freejack (14103) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941184)

"He starts to walk toward this statuesque blond, and the former girlfriend is now thinking to herself that if she trips him at just the right time, he'll fall into that bitch blond, knock her into the punch bowl, and both will be soaked in fruit juice and vodka."


Right up their with breast cancer as far as offensive material goes IMHO...

-RWR

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (1)

Fizgig (16368) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941186)

some would embrace and romance her, some would criticize her, others (*cough*Al Gore*cough*) would whore her.

The Linux Lynx! (1)

Straker Skunk (16970) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941188)

If y'all want a really good-looking Linux mascot, check out the lynx [furnation.com] .

(bigger version here [mit.edu] )

Now's there's something I want gracing my Linux box };-)
(apologies to Tux)

Now that's funny... (1)

Tardigrade (17769) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941191)

Consistency can be taken too far. As long as cut&paste and a few other things are almost universal, I'm happy.

Not a bad mascot... (1)

samf (18149) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941192)

It's funny this came up, because I've always thought of the Mac as kind of a cute girl. I like them, but I don't have any desire to be one. Similar for Mac: I like them, I'm glad they're around, but I wouldn't normally use them.

She's the afterstep theme of the week (1)

SpaFF (18764) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941193)

http://as.themes.org

its the theme of the week/month/whatever

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (1)

SpaFF (18764) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941194)

then I could compile my own

Photoshop (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941199)

Until it can run Photoshop, I wouldn't give it second look. Artsy nerds like me live in Photoshop. In fact, Adobe [adobe.com] should make PhotoOS.
--

The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend (1)

Fish Man (20098) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941200)

The key word in that sentence was consistantly.

Sure you hear testosterone charged flamers from every camp spreading all sorts of garbage about every platform.

However, only one major corporation has a totally consistant, comprehensive, systematic, high profile, high budget machine of FUD and lies against anything that looks like it might compete with their product.

It is this aspect of Microsoft that is so damn disgusting!

MacOS and Linux (1)

Fish Man (20098) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941201)

As far as I can tell, the only purpose it served was to give sex-deprived geeks some hot chicks to gawk at.

HEY!

Some of us resemble that remark!

(It's almost miller time and I'm giddy.)

(Make that Abita Purple Haze time!)

hmm..... Cheesecake Advertising for Linux ??? (1)

Salgak1 (20136) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941202)

Evil thought. . .along the lines of a shot of
"Lucy Linux" with a "This is your love life on
LINUX", and a shot of (insert you preferred
hideous, vaugely female image here), with a
"This is your love life on Windows.

Any Questions ???




Now that's funny... (1)

rm -rf /etc/* (20237) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941203)

Yeah, I used a Mac SE30 in high school. That was a long time ago... Back when I had my Commodore.

Let's face it, MacOS does a lot of things right. Yes, it needs protected memory and multi-tasking, things that are available with OSX Server now, or consumer shortly. But as for the interface, sorry but it blows linux away. Way more consistant than any desktop, I'm guaranteed that I can drag anything onto anything else with desired results. Cut and paste between apps always works. It's visually appealing. Give me an xterm with OSX and I'll be very happy.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941205)

When using X, I always have "postit" running, which gives you a small and simple area to paste into and store small strings (like URL's).

It woud be nice if there were a cut&paste manager for X though, where you could access older selections. From an old memory, it seemed to me that X had many cut buffers where things could go...

Civ for Linux (1)

wiggles (30088) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941213)

Hey, Check out Lokisoft [lokisoft.com] . They're writing a version of Civ for Sparc Linux, as well as Alpha. Not sure about ppc, though...

GIMP my A$$ (1)

thetzar (30126) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941214)

Hold Gimp up to the capabilities of, say, Corel Phot-Paint. Gimp is nothing in comparison.

Not a bad mascot... You know you want me? (1)

andrewchen (30185) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941215)

There was a picture that I saw a while back with this girl in this grey underwear, and on the band it said, "Linux - You know you want me." Does anyone know about where I could find this again? I want it as wallpaper.

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

dougw (30836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941216)



I said I was chasing a fatal bug in my program; I'm not allowed to make really stupid mistakes?

Normally my Mac runs without rebooting for days. Admittedly this was never true before System 8.1.

Doug

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (1)

dougw (30836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941217)



Maybe I just haven't looked long enough, but I have yet to find a terminal that will scroll backwards with the pageup/pagedown and let me select, copy and paste stuff that I already typed or that came out of a program. Like NCSA Telnet.

gEdit seems to work okay, but one of the earlier text editors I tried (the default under KDE, probably) had a totally broken copy/paste implementation.

Doug

Thanks Rob (1)

freephorm (31715) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941218)

I never I'd link Linux together with a hot chick with a gun until today...
I now how a brand new way of looking at my OS..
Thanks man..

Photoshop (1)

mrojas (32032) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941220)

have you tried The GIMP?

GIMP GIMP GIMP GIMP (1)

Another MacHack (32639) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941221)

The GIMP is handy for some things, but to say that GIMP is a Photoshop replacement is an insult to Photoshop.

MacOS and Linux (1)

neilfred (33103) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941222)

Some of us resemble that remark!

oh, i didn't mean to imply that there's anything wrong with sex-deprived geeks wanting hot chicks to gawk at! :) it's just that there are plenty of other places on the net to find pictures of hot chicks to gawk at.

moreover, articles like this are one of the things which make a lot of women not want to identify as geeks. i'd rather have fewer sexist articles and more women in the idustry, wouldn't you?

...derF\lieN

MacOS and Linux (1)

neilfred (33103) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941223)

I am a fan of both MacOS and Linux; I think that they each have their advantages -- for some things I prefer to use one, for other things I prefer the other. (For example, I prefer to write code in emacs under Linux, but I prefer to write email in Eudora under MacOS, though I certainly can and often do write code in BBEdit and email in pine...) I certainly prefer them both to any version of Windows.

This article is directed at Mac users who know nothing about Linux, and perhaps for them it is a good first thing to read about Linux. But personally, I didn't think it really said anything much at all.

All the stuff comparing the OSes to women was just plain stupid. It didn't serve to make any point that wasn't made just as effectively without the metaphor. As far as I can tell, the only purpose it served was to give sex-deprived geeks some hot chicks to gawk at, and to make the article longer without adding any content.

...derF\lieN

MacOS and Linux and Jilted Girlfriends (1)

neilfred (33103) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941224)

Well, he might have come up with some other metaphor, but not one with the same level of resonance as the julted girlfriend.

perhaps it would have had more resonance for me if it weren't at the same time so sexist.

i think it also would have had more resonance if there had been any content in the article. but all it said was "hey Mac users -- there's this thing you may have heard about, and you should find out about it before you start saying bad things about it."

...derF\lieN

Thanks Rob (1)

that_guy (33618) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941225)

I can see it now, Lucy Linux as a supermodel shaped penguin, probably with a gun and cape.
Of course, she's married to Tux..

Mac and Linux (1)

proclus (33875) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941226)

>In short, Mac users need to know what's available
> in order to possibly request needed features for
future MacOS versions.

Yea but, I think it goes both ways. The fact is, KDE is derivative. KDE has a much to gain from studying MacOS. For example, I am not really satisfied with the drag and drop capabilities of KDE yet.

On the other hand, I wish Mac had a less opaque way of handling file types.

Further, I like the appreciate that KDE uses MIME types. I just wish that there was a faster way to set it up. How about if a modified drag onto the app automatically set the MIME type up (and updated the icon too).

I think that it is clear that KDE rocks.... but it lacks some of the polish of MacOS.

Regards,
proclus

Great Article (1)

proclus (33875) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941227)

I thought the article was cute.

Funny you should mention MacII. Booting a MacII under was my first linux experience, last year. I learned alot. Now I run LinuxPPC on my G3 Mac, in an AppleTalk network with that old MacII. It is running another free OS; MacOS System 7.5.5. I'll keep it that way too, because of all those old proprietary nubus cards in the MacII.

I've got Ghostscript under MacOS too, so I can print to a StyleWriterII without rebooting the G3.

I love Apple _and_ Linux.

Regards,
proclus

I hear Linux runs on the Mac. (1)

proclus (33875) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941228)

No problem there. Apple is a hardware company. I run LinuxPPC on my G3 and love it. I could go on and on about this. Let's just say that Linux rocks on a G3.

proclus

IF WOMEN WERE OPEN SOURCE.... (1)

Future Linux-Guru (34181) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941229)

(finish the sentance)

Not a bad mascot... (2)

whoop (194) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941230)

No offense to Tux of course, but she's not too bad to have on a sticker plastered to every computer...

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (2)

John Campbell (559) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941231)

> the unix GUI's are still less intuitive, consistent, and useful than either Windows or the Mac OS.

Because of the lack of consistency, I don't think the other two are valid generalizations to make. Because it's customizable, I can (and do) set X up to whatever configuration I feel is most intuitive and useful for me. It's also quite easy to set it up to be an unmanagable bear, if that's what you're into.

And, while the Mac's UI is nice, though not entirely to my tastes, I find even the worst X setups to be more intuitive, consistent, and useful than Windows has ever been.

miss mac (2)

John Campbell (559) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941232)

I'll have to disagree with you there. Normally I prefer brunettes, but Miss Mac has that wide-eyed, innocent, helpless look to her. I prefer a woman who can take care of herself... and I'm sure Ms. Linux knows how to use that gun... she's certainly capable of SIGKILLing any process that messes with her...

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (2)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941238)

Actually, xterm will do both, with one exception.

You probably don't want the terminal to scroll on page up/page down. Those are perfectly valid keys to the programs running inside the terminal.

xterm will scroll the buffer using Shift-Page-up and Shift-Page Down.

I still prefer Rosie... (2)

Alan Shutko (5101) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941239)

No, Nikita is cooler.

Great Article (2)

craw (6958) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941241)

This was an outstanding article, one that is rare to find among the Mac advocacy sites. I also think that this is just a precursor of things to come mainly because of MacOSX. Kind of tough to bash an OS (Linux) that is a kissing cousin of your future OS.

Now for the silly stuff. Some of the previous posters have expressed their preference for lucy over miss mac. I would like to point out that miss mac's picture is in b/w. Hence it is obvious that it must be the "before" picture taken prior to 1987 (i.e., pre-MacII). I'm positive that the "after" picture would, uh, kick your socks off.

Scroll xterm (2)

Bilbo (7015) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941242)

Now here's an intuitively obvious xterm trick. Use the [Ctrl][middle-btn] (or simultaneous [btn1][btn2] for those with a 2 button mouse) to give you the xterm controls popup! Use this to select the scrollbar. Of course, you can also specify it on the command line when you start the xterm (+sb).

(I don't know how many years I'd been using X11 before someone showed me that one.)

BY THE WAY, I'm not sure of the original author's intent, but he may have been speaking of more than just text cut-n-paste. Unix has been able to do this with text for years, but cutting and pasting formatting, images, diagrams and other sorts of data is more recent. I remember when Motif first implemented drag-n-drop. Can I drag an icon for an image file into a word processor and have it integrate the image into the document I'm working on? Maybe yes. Maybe no.

``Macintosh users are like... (2)

thinker (7404) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941243)

...the girlfriend who's been jilted.''

No, Macintosh users(I think what he really
means here is The Mac Faithful) are like the
girlfriend who's a victim of ``domestic
violence''.

She's been with him for so long because he
tells her ``without me, you'd be nothing''(a
`PeeCee' user) and explains away the bruises to
her friends and family(David K. Every).

She needs him to justify her self worth.
She goes out of her way to please him(goes to
CompUSA and tidies up the iMacs when no one is
looking), all the while hoping that someday,
somehow he'll notice the devoted look in her
eyes...oh, yes...if he would only look at her...

But he never does.

Microsoft tells its users to bend over too; the
difference is they usually do not end up saying
``More...please,sir..I want more.''

*sigh*

The poor fools who write articles like this DO
NOT GET IT. It is not about marketshare, or
desktop applications, ``enterprise support'',
etcetera. When software is not libre, everybody
loses
.
---------------------------------
"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,

Linux and Macintosh (2)

Witchblade (9771) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941244)

That was one of the best articles on the Mac or Linux that I've read recently. I am disappointed, however, that the author failed to mention the availability of Linux for the PowerPc platform (even in the links section.)
I've been a Mac user for slightly over ten years, but I've also been using Linux on my Powermac for about 3 years. I'm really excited about the future of the Linux OS and GNU software, but more and more feel like an outsider it was once a friendly and open community. Simply because I don't like Intel hardware. One of the greatest strengths for Linux is that it runs on so many different types of processors, with the same behavior. And with the POSIX and other movements most software runs the same across them all. I just compiled the latest version of Windowmaker the other day right out of the tarball. So easy a chimp could do it. :)
As more and more "commercial" interest have begun developing shrink-wrapped software the ability of those of us who chose to use non-Intel processors are getting left out in the cold. Although often overlooked, this is in fact one of the main strengths of Open Source: if the code is open users can adapt the software for other platforms without your company having to spend the extra development costs.
Oh well, I am happy that so many of the rest of you in the Linux community will get to play the next Civilization or Quake. Just wish I couls join in all the excitement.

(This reply was written just after I've renetworked the SPARC network I administer for Soalris 2.6. Let's hope it sends! :P)

Witchblade

Linux has WHAT?!?!?! (2)

jabber (13196) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941246)

Genital Herpes?? Eeewwwww!!!!!

And here I thought that Linux was immune, or at least resistant, to viruses.

But then again, geeks all over the world have had their fingers in it. ANYBODY can get their hands on it. Likes a big hard disk, but comes on a floppy as well. Likes lots of RAM. As far as hardware goes, the faster the better. Can keep going non-stop for months, without ever going down on you. Is, by default, multi-user. You can share it with your friends. If you get it on the street, the shrinkwrap comes off without a fight. Gladly gives you an intimate look at the source.

Linux is a slut!

Was that Nikita?? Hmmm..

What a well written article (2)

irix (22687) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941247)

I hope everyone reads it and enjoys a well-written viewpoint from another side of the fence.

Enjoy, and don't let it degerate into G3 vs. Pentium or Mac vs. Linux or KDE vs. Gnome flamewars.

Am I hoping for too much?

Mac and Linux (2)

zavyman (32136) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941248)

It is beyond me why so many people think that OS's cannot or should not coexist. I am currently using both LinuxPPC and MacOS 8.5.1, and I could not be happier.

I totally agree that Macintosh advocates should become very aware about linux. It would be benefitial for the future of MacOS in general, with discovering features that should be included with any OS, one of the more obvious being the virtual desktops. Any mac user can see the functionality of many of the of the KDE, Gnome, etc. features, and maybe would be interested in having them in their already friendly OS

In short, Mac users need to know what's available in order to possibly request needed features for future MacOS versions.

That's my two cents.

"But we'd never spread lies about the competition. We have too much class."

Domestic violence. (3)

jerodd (13818) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941249)

I cannot agree more. As I have moved to the freedom of GNU/Linux, I am overwhelemed with how much the system just plain likes me. I thought OS/2 liked me, and I thought I loved it. But it was cruel to me. It hates me. It doesn't work.

GNU/Linux does.

I've been with OS/2 long enough that I consider myself a `battered-spouse' OS/2 user. Like anyone in a codependent relationship, I continue to use OS/2, and it doesn't seem to know that I'm seeing another operating system (and a freed one at that).

I feel empowered. I'm in control. My computer is MINE!

(I do not mean to make light of domestic violence, as that is a terrible thing (as I should well now, being a survivor of some moderate violence myself in the past). I am simply drawing an analogy.)

Cheers,
Joshua.

Cut and paste with X11. (3)

jerodd (13818) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941250)

You might want to take a look at the xclipboard(1) program. It does exactly what you want. Just mark the text in your xterm or whatever, go to xclipboard, and click both the left and right mouse button simultaneously in the blank area (or middle mouse button if you have one). Voìla! xclipboard also has the cool `Next' and `Prev' buttons to go back and forth between texts. (You can use Alt+C and Alt+V to copy and paste in Netscape and most other Motif programs.)

The Enemy of My Enemy is My Friend (3)

Fish Man (20098) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941251)

That's a quote from one of the section headers of the article.

The author also states: "it is not sufficient for us to simply bad mouth Linux and dismiss it. (Let Microsoft do that.) To do so makes us just as ignorant and stupid as the Best Buy salesmen who keep repeating the litany that Apple is dead or the PC idiots who seem to get everything wrong when they write about the iMac."

Have you noticed that one and only one software maker consitantly spreads FUD, lies and misinformation about the competetion?

Damnit there are hundreds and hundreds of different automobile models to choose from, yet they all are profitable and they all share enough traits and characteristics in common so that once you learn how to drive, you can drive any model.

There's no reason why several OS's can't simultaneously be successfull. There's also no reason why standards can't be open enough for several OS's to co-exist and transparently talk to one another and share data.

The biggest problem in the entire world of software is that one company, Microsoft, cannot tolerate the idea of anyone on the face of planet earth producing software except them.

If Microsoft would compete on an honest and decent level and on the merits of their own product, without using dishonest and sleezy tactics to try to undermine honest competition, I would have nothing against them.

Yet, it is these sleezy tactics that undermine and stifle innovation in the software world.

The author of this article shows a very mature and well reasoned position on the coexistance of platforms.

He has elevated my opinion of the Mac community.

Here's a Friday afternoon beer bottle toast to John Martellaro, Lucy Linux, and Miss Mac!

this Mac user's first impressions of Linux (3)

dougw (30836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1941252)

I've been a Mac user and programmer for 15 years. I recently got an Intel box and put Red Hat Linux on it. I didn't originally think I'd need to bother with X-windows, but when it comes to administering the system, it's nice to have a GUI.

Just getting my video card (i740) and keyboard (backspace key!) to work right in X was a long and painful adventure.

Things that Mac users take for granted, like copy and paste, and consistent key shortccuts across applications, are non-existant.

KDE feels clunky somehow; I can't describe it because I didn't like it and installed GNOME instead. GNOME feels better, but the Midnight Commander crashes, and has some really obvious bugs. KDE's filesystem-browser is pretty nice.

I'll stick to my Mac for most things, for now. But I'm reading slashdot and typing this reply while chasing a bug in my Mac program that's causing me to reboot every five minutes.

DOug
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