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Some iPod Fans Dump PCs For Macs

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the aesthetic-addiction dept.

Media (Apple) 1036

dereklam writes "The popularity of the iPod could be boosting Macs' popularity as well. News.com reports that 6 percent of iPod users have made the switch from PCs to Macs. An additional 7 percent said they are planning to dump their old PC for an Apple machine, according to the survey." I wish the linked story had more details; it's not clear from the results mentioned whether there's a strong causal relationship here.

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Still a small margin (3, Insightful)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910011)

Personally, I choose my peripherals based on my OS/Hardware, not the other way around.

Re:Still a small margin (2, Insightful)

InternationalCow (681980) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910063)

Well, if the peripheral is cool enough, the OS/hardware may not be that important. Ease of use and coolness factor count for a lot in the choice of gadget, you know. I do know for myself that the iApps (mostly iTunes these days, Picasa is quite good) are keeping me on the Mac. Although I wonder if the opposite happens: people who "defect" to Windows because iTunes/iPod also work with Windows and you can buy a hell of a lot more hardware four your dollar/euro in Intel/AMD land than in Applistan (example in point: my powerbook costs 3500 euro. I can buy a fully decked out Hypersonic EX7 for that amount of cash....). Anyone??

Man bites dog (4, Insightful)

Eevee (535658) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910081)

I kinda think that's the point of the story. People finding the iPod a sufficiently good reason to switch their OS is not a run of the mill event. How many people switch just because there's a neat new scanner out on the market? Or for a new printer? (Not counting high-end RIPs, of course, since they're pretty much stand-alone.)

Re:Still a small margin (5, Insightful)

slash-tard (689130) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910168)

I get the point but a lot of peripherals work better on a Mac. The iPod syncs better, importing and editing video is easier, and if you want to use iPhoto its a lot smoother than anything Ive seen on a PC. On top of this bluetooth and iSync.

The x86 PC has more options and cheaper options but I would rather have something work better than it be a few bucks cheaper and be a hassle in the long run.

Re:Still a small margin (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910211)

Sure, but what if you weren't already familiar with Apple products and thought the iPod was cool enough to investigate further?

-matthew

Re:Still a small margin (5, Interesting)

Mik3D (792355) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910217)

That is why you will never be in the "main stream". Most people choose the tools that allow them to do the task they want... be that graphics design, web surfing, or listining to music.

I fear the Slashdot crowd is more inclined to choose tasks based on the tools they want to use, the oposite of the "main stream".

Re:Still a small margin (5, Insightful)

cbiagini (728046) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910219)

You're missing the point.

The iPod is just bringing Apple into the public eye; the computers are selling themselves.

Yup. (3, Insightful)

niko9 (315647) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910022)

I gues it was a smart move for the iPOd to work with Windows and Macs?

Works great on my Linux box BTW. Whew. Good thing too, girlfriend would think I was giving her a line of poop trying to explai why she's got to get me a different gift.

omg ipod (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910025)

fp bia

Well... (4, Insightful)

CdBee (742846) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910028)

Looks like that marketing plan paid off after all. I always suspected Microsoft was wrong when they thought that capturing the media player market was significant to overall market-share.

I'd say I've been proved wrong.

China: Knockoffs and Ripoffs of Macintosh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910135)

The victory euphoria in Cupertino, California will be shortlived. Once the Macintosh makes any significant comeback, the Chinese will quickly make illegal copies of the Macintosh and MacOS [tibet.org] .

The Chinese currently steal what they do not want to buy. China has a huge open market, not black market, for pirated software and hardware. The stuff is not even in the black market but is in the open market, for most Chinese support the idea of ripping people off. The police even condone the behavior.

Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (5, Interesting)

RandoX (828285) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910029)

I had always thought that Mac users were a rabid, elitist group until I started using the iPod. It was an upgrade from my older iRiver player. I'm far too entrenched in my PC to switch, but I'll admit that I'm Mac-curious now.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (5, Funny)

TPIRman (142895) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910068)

I'll admit that I'm Mac-curious now

Y'know, some people swing both ways. Don't be afraid to get in touch with your OSX-uality.

Mac-curious you say? (2, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910098)

No problem, meet us on the corner of 27th and St. James on Wednesday at 10:00 pm.
Bring your iPod and leather boots...

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (5, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910105)

Thing is, if you bought an iPod it shows you're more inclined to buy well designed (visually) simple products.

The fact that you bought an iPod and not some of the more feature rich players shows that you wanted something that did the job with little fuss. Macs do this too.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (1)

lamz (60321) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910192)

The fact that you bought an iPod and not some of the more feature rich players shows that you wanted something that did the job with little fuss.

Name 3 features which are missing from the iPod, but are available in a competing product.

For a bonus point, prove that doing a job "with little fuss" is not an important feature.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (3, Informative)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910209)

OGG playback, FM-Radio, and remote. Those all exist in my iRiver iHP-120.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910220)

video playback, onboard audio recording, better battery life, Thats all I can think of at the moment. But, the way it is, the iPod offers better connectivity with the desktop ala iTunes, better interface ala the scroll wheel, and a more visually pleasing and tactile pleasing look.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910200)

But iPods (and Macs) are not only more visually appealing but are typically more feature rich as well. Your response went only half way.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910121)

Don't bother. I 'switched' to macs when I bought a low spec G4 to use after I got one of the first iPods. It took all of 6 months for the machine and OS to drive me insane.

I still have the G4, but it's running a much more sensible OS - Linux - and I can use my new iPod on my main Windows box.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (1, Interesting)

iJed (594606) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910164)

I had always thought that Mac users were a rabid, elitist group

Err...we are a rabid elitist group! Its because most of us Mac users strongly believe that we are using the best desktop computing products in the world and we find it difficult to understand why anyone would actually use Windows XP out of choice.

Re:Bought my iPod Mini on Monday (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910216)

Honestly it's the truth we really feel that way.

Only a study of 200 users! (4, Informative)

datbox (800756) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910030)

They ran this same story on OS News.


http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8945 [osnews.com] [OSNews.com]

Re:Only a study of 200 users! (2, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910202)

200 is a decent sample size for a survey. Most political polls range from 600-1000, and that's for the entire country. What would be more important to find out is if these people were solicited for their responses, or if they volunteered them.

Of course (5, Funny)

Donut2099 (153459) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910031)

I bought a Sony Vaio because it has a special connection that allows me to plug my walkman into it and play cassettes through the speakers!

Re:Of course (2, Informative)

Frogbeater (216054) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910232)

As was mentioned above, it is not the technical compliance with the machine that would cause the switch (ipod already works with PCs,) it is the "ease of use," fit and finish, attention to detail that makes PC users "mac curious."

My ipod is the only gadget I own that I can let someone play with and have them understand it immediatly and enjoy the the design of not only the hardware but also the software. My amazing phone doesn't have that effect on anyone or my amazing Clie. This creates a link between the Apple brand and a concept of easy to understand, elegant technology.

I blame Apple for the change in my attitude away from "bigger is more impressive" to "hide the technology and make it look like magic" mentality. The computers I used to build were big and obviously demanding of attention, my favorite machine now is the one that people don't even notice in the living room.

Not for techs (3, Insightful)

flibuste (523578) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910032)

The article clearly states that those people are not techs but "people with money". The switch to Apple seems an obvious choice if you can afford an expensive computer and you are neither a big techie or a hard-core gamer. I fail to see exactly where is the impact of the IPod here. Is that because it's the same "people with money" who can afford to buy one?

Clearly the article lacks meaningful statistics

Re:Not for techs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910084)

By "techie" I assume you mean Windows techie?

OS X runs on a BSD kernel, if you want to play Unix geek with it there's plenty to do.

Re:Not for techs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910099)

That would be true if Macs were expensive.... When a PC is equipped with the exact same components in hardware and software, the Mac is typically less expensive.

Re:Not for techs (2, Informative)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910112)

If by people with money, you mean people who don't work at mcdonalds for a living, then I agree with you. Seriously Macs aren't that expensive plus they last a very long time. This ibook im typing on is over 2 years old, yet it still works like a charm! I even prefer using my 2 year old 700mhz ibook over my 2.53ghz PC! I would say that it has been a rather good investment, the only thing my ibook doesn't do well is play new games.

Re:Not for techs (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910239)

This ibook im typing on is over 2 years old, yet it still works like a charm!

So what? My PC is four years old and I still don't see an urgent need for upgrade. Ah, yes, it's 700 MHz, too :-)

Re:Not for techs (1)

norkakn (102380) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910133)

techs and hardcore gamers are a pretty small subset. If John Q manager buys an imac next, things are good for apple.

Re:Not for techs (1)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910138)

Perhaps the iPod serves as an introduction to Apple products where many PC users have never even seen an Apple product. They might say, "hey, this iPod is really slick. I wonder if their computers are this cool...." I can see it happening.

-matthew

Re:Not for techs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910153)

I think the point is that the ipod has made people more aware of Apple as an alternative worth looking into.

If you don't know much about computers and have the money (though they are not that expencive, really), Apple seems to be a natural choice.

However the problem is that the people don't know much about computers, so they might not even be aware of that choice. But know that they have this great little ipod, that works so well and easy they might just look into Apple the next time they buy a computer.

Re:Not for techs (3, Insightful)

Shisha (145964) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910159)

Indeed and "without data, all you are is just another person with an opinion."

Go on Slashdot crowd, none of you have the data, but I'm sure you all have an opinion.

Odd correlation (2, Interesting)

Dan East (318230) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910036)

Maybe I'm not looking at this deep enough, but what does a piece of hardware for playing MP3s have to do with personal computers? How different is this from, say, people switching from Mac to a Sony Notebook because they like their Sony DVD player?

Dan East

Re:Odd correlation (1)

spirit_fingers (777604) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910073)

Well, for one thing, the iPod is a computer peripheral. You need a computer to use it. Unlike your typical DVD player.

Re:Odd correlation (1)

Chundra (189402) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910093)

iTunes for windows pretty much sucks. I had all kinds of problems with it. iTunes for Mac works great. I own several pcs and a mac, and don't quite understand why someone would switch to a mac just because of this. However, I also realize a lot of people are idiots so it doesn't surprise me.

Re:Odd correlation (1)

fireduck (197000) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910095)

people buy apple music player thingy. realize how ridiculously easy it is to make it work. see that the computer they are using isn't as ridiculously easy. think "maybe it should be easier. maybe apple can make it easier" and go out to buy an apple computer.

the ipod interacts directly with the computer, so you have the direct comparison between the 2 in front of you. (that and there's the whole software + managing mp3 files on your computer aspect, further strengthening the tie between the 2 items.) your dvd player is in the other room and never interacts with your laptop, so you'd never think to compare them.

Re:Odd correlation (2, Insightful)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910166)

Because if you remember, there used to be a pretty big stigma against macs. People would go "Macs suck!!" without even researching anything about them. Hell, I even did it to and now I love my ibook. What the iPod has done though is increase awareness among the consumer that Apple products aren't that bad and that they are actually very good. Because of that more people have become curious of macs. -jadam

Re:Odd correlation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910212)

It's all because they like this product (the iPod) that is from the same company who makes computers they think they would like... all because they tasted Appls branded quality...

Re:Odd correlation (2, Insightful)

iJed (594606) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910241)

Maybe I'm not looking at this deep enough, but what does a piece of hardware for playing MP3s have to do with personal computers?

I'd say it comes down to integration. Yes an iPod works with Windows, and using iTunes no less. On the Mac, however, the experience is very different: iTunes is only a single part of the puzzle. Every one of the iApps, from GarageBand to iMovie, integrate together to make doing any of their tasks hugely easier. It is this that makes using the iPod on the Mac a far nicer experience than it is on Windows.

In related news... (4, Funny)

k4_pacific (736911) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910041)

In a related story, it was found that 7% of all people who have recently purchased a vintage reel-to-reel player would be willing to purchase a used PDP-11 if the price was right.

It makes sense... (2, Interesting)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910042)

Apple survives on getting people to pay very high prices for cool looking products. Once Apple gets people buying iPods, it would only make sense that those same sheeps would also start buying overpriced but pretty Macs.

Sure it's flamebait, sure it's troll, but it's also true... and you know it.

Re:It makes sense... (5, Informative)

palad1 (571416) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910106)

iBook, expensive?

Build a dell with the same amount of functionnalities (not the first entry-level $300 machine), add the software that's bundled with the iBook (I'll exempt you of finding a GarageBand alternative) and then compare the prices.

Re:It makes sense... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910125)

"Sheeps"? That's a lotta sheep.

Re:It makes sense... (2, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910130)

Ya, maybe if you would stop maligning them for a second and actually think about what people other than yourself look for in a computer, maybe you would see why. You may not like Macs, thats fine, but guess what, you are not the ultimate authority when it comes to what people should like. Different people have different tastes. Oh, and as for overpriced, maybe you should look at an iBook sometime. They are very competitive with the rough equivalent of the pc notebook, so much so that a lot of people buy iBooks and put Linux on there(I can tell you are a Linux fan by your sig)
You are partially correct, it's flamebait, but it's not true.
Grow up.

Re:It makes sense... (1)

neverutterwhen (813161) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910229)

ibooks are cheap. But they are still overpriced. The featureset is limited, the speed laughable, and the build quality on the ibook, while decent, is not up to Apple standards. Don't get me wrong I like Apples, they look cool, the software is deliciously simple but they are too expensive.

Re:It makes sense... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910131)

I just switched to a dual G5 after being a PC user nearly all of my life. Sure it was expensive, but it wasn't it's cool looks that got me..it was the fact that they switched to a Unix backend. Probably the best decision that company made.

Re:It makes sense... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910165)

Apple doesn't make you pay high prices. They do however require that you buy more because you can't custom build a Mac like you can a PC. Additionally there aren't as many options to choose from when you buy a Mac.

Macs don't cost more. You're buying more so you pay more.
However, when an equally equipped PC comes with the exact same components (or as close as possible) as the Mac, the Mac typically costs less.

The primary difference in cost between Macs and PCs is that PCs allow you to buy less and pay less. That however does not mean less expensive, though it does mean more configurable.

maybe (2, Informative)

grocer (718489) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910174)

Find me a PC laptop that comes out of the box with firewire, USB 2.0, 4+ hours battery life, small form factor, runs office natively, offers X windows support, intergrates all the GNU tools into the OS, and does it all for less than 1200 bucks out the door...Apple builds the best notebooks, IMO, because they offer the best form factor/battery life/software package out there.

Re:It makes sense... (4, Informative)

YetAnotherName (168064) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910206)

For me, it was the other way around.

I'd been stuck on Windows for the longest time because I had to interoperate with clients who insisted on exchanging Micro$oft Word documents, Excel spreadsheets, and so forth. On top of that, I was doing Java development for those clients. (Star Office didn't cut it, at the time.) Yes, it was a living hell, especially for someone who was nursed on SVR3.

Finally I played with a PowerBook: it had genuine Micro$oft Office from the Redmond behemoth itself. It had a killer Java virtual machine. But best of all, I could pop up a bash shell and run vi on my files. And all with glistening eye-candy.

I was in heaven.

So, I've got two of the systems. Yes, they're overpriced, but they're also damn stable and they stay out of my way, like Windows, but I can get in the way, unlike Windows.

(Oh, and it was after that that I got the iPod. But I'll never go back to Windows. And zealots out there, relax, I've got two Linux systems (and even a FreeBSD system) in my server closet.)

Of course.. (4, Interesting)

jamesdood (468240) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910064)

The IPod interfaces well with the Mac, I have used both versions, and iTunes on the Mac is much faster and more consistant with MacOSX. I still have an x86 machine for running windows, but my most of my work is done on my Powerbook. Once you have tried the Mac it is hard to go back to the Windows box.. So from personal experience, I believe this could be true.

It's iTunes, not the iPod. (5, Interesting)

saddino (183491) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910074)

This article seems to miss the obvious: all iPod users are iTunes users, and although the iPod interface is a joy, it's the iTunes interface that introduces the "look and feel" of OS X to PC iPod users. The fact that Apple broke with UI guidelines on the PC, led many to argue that iTunes for Windows was bloated and slow. But now it seems clear that for Apple it was paramount to keep the iTunes experience as close to OS X as possible.

If these numbers are correct (and pan out) then Apple's "gamble" turned out to be correct.

Re:It's iTunes, not the iPod. (-1)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910237)

all iPod users are iTunes users

I believe it's the other way around. All iTunes users are iPod users. I would imagine there are quite a few iPod users that don't use iTunes at all (i.e. Linux crowd, plus people that choose not to pay fees to download music)

I KNEW IT! (4, Funny)

fullmetal55 (698310) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910075)

I knew they were planting subliminal messages in my mp3s... because as soon as I got my ipod I started craving other mac products, like an ibook, or an imac. *puts on tinfoil hat* It's a conspiracy and this "study" proves it's working!!

Imac (1)

AyeFly (242460) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910076)

I personally have 3 PCs
Gaming PC
3.0GHZ work / gaming laptop
AMD snapstream media pc.

Im thinking about getting an IBook though, since they are so small, and just running the dreamweaver suite/photoshop on it. is photoshop 7 too powerful for the 12 inch Ibook?

also, how long does the battery last watching a movie on an airplane?

and yes, i do have an Ipod and it indirectly got me looking at Macs... since i had to go into the mac store to get a Griffin Itrip

Re:Imac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910176)

I just bought the 12'' iBook w/ $150 rebate from Amazon. It was def worth the money. My battery lasts a little over 5 hours. You'll have enough time to put in two movies on a flight.

Re:Imac (1)

virex (562720) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910179)

i get about 2.5 hours watching a dvd on an old powerbook g4, which apple claimed had 5 hours of life(i get 6-7 when i'm doing other stuff) since apple claims 6hours for the ibook you should get atleast that. and it's pretty easy to switch batteries too, since mac laptops can switch batteries while sleeping...so just close the lid, switch the battery, open it up and you're good

Re:Imac (1)

LEgregius (550408) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910218)

As long as you have 640-768MB of RAM, photoshop and dreamweaver will run fine. I don't know about the current iBooks, but older ibooks had just enough battery to watch one whole movie. There are more battery saving options in the DVD player now, and you can go into the power options and set the CPU speed to "reduced." That would keep the battery going longer.

In other news... (2, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910079)

6% of fresh fruit consumers have made the switch from PCs to Macs. An additional 7 percent of the apple eaters said they are planning to dump their old PC for an Apple machine; it's not clear, however from the results mentioned whether there's a strong causal relationship here.

OS X is selling Macs (2, Insightful)

RayDude (798709) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910083)

It isn't the iPod's doing. Its OS X. Its GUI Rocks. I'd run it too if I could get it for x86 processors. The amazing thing is, now that Processors are fast enough for the average user, the raw power of the CPU is less important and the GUI matters more. That's why people are _contemplating_ Linux or switching to Mac.

I love my iPod but... (0)

jmcmunn (307798) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910086)


For the same money I would spend on a top of the line Mac, I can get a hell of a lot more PC. Don't get me wrong, the Mac is beautiful and the hardware is great...but the cost is (in my mind) outrageous in the day and age where I can go to Dell and get a brand new 3Ghz PC with a 17 inch flat panel for less than $700.

My iPod is great, I love it to death. But I only had to pay a small amount more for it than for the competing Mp3 players...there is a larger price difference between a PC and a Mac.

Count me in there...sort of (2, Funny)

yetanothermike (824215) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910087)

Since I purchased my iPod I have recognized the elegance, style and simplicity of Apple products. Even the packaging is sexy!

I would not purchase one of the devices for myself, but I would recommend them to others who don't need to upgrade a lot or tinker. For those who aren't power users, they are a nice package.

Before the iPod I wouldn't have even considered recommending Apple machines to anyone though. So I'm sort of on board.

What's th Difference? (1)

Evil W1zard (832703) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910101)

I have to admit that I have never used a Mac and I really don't know much about them... Saying that can anyone give me a quick/fast explanation of the major difference between Macs and PCs? If I am going to pay a lot for a PC then I am gonna make sure that I am paying because the functionality is there (like buying Alienware of FNW for gaming), but it seems to me that people are inclined to say Macs are just more expensive because they are Macs?

HL2 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910109)

Well, maybe *after* I finish half-life 2.

grabualsa (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910113)

oh dear my turds have been burgled

Number's not surprising (2, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910114)

I saw this article a while ago, and then ran a few numbers in my head. Given the number of ipods Apple sells is a little under the number of computers sold, in an average quarter, this is not really surprising at all. I don't think the correlation is really meaningful. Slightly less than 6% of Apple's new computer customers have also bought ipods. Given the overlap between people into high tech gadgets and people with enough money to afford an ipod or a mac, I'm surprised these numbers aren't higher.

So sick of iPOD (3, Insightful)

netsavior (627338) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910119)

ok lets settle this... the iPod is not the only way to listen to music, and the mac is not the only way to use an iPod. I wish most users could understand this. Of course I guess if you are going to drop the $10,000 to legitimatly fill your iPod you might as well also throw in a $4,000 computer to go with it.

Re:So sick of iPOD (4, Insightful)

saddino (183491) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910169)

Of course I guess if you are going to drop the $10,000 to legitimatly fill your iPod

ok lets settle this...purchasing music from iTMS or "stealing" music from P2P is not the only way to fill an iPod. Of course, my CD collection might be a tad larger than yours.

I'd love to be one of those statistics... (1)

beef curtains (792692) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910139)

...if only I could afford to. $1500 for an iBook is a tad steep when you can get a P.O.S. HP or Dell laptop for $700, tops.

Especially considering that, as my "personal-use" computer, all it's ever used for is iTunes, Firefox, Thunderbird & MS Word...nothing that warrants gigaflops of raw processing power.

Maybe if Apple brought out one or two low-low-end products that could compete, price-wise, with all the mass-market, Windows-running junk out there, they could really pick up some market share...the challenge would be figuring out how to do this without undermining their brand image.

Apple Brand Going Strong (4, Interesting)

visionsofmcskill (556169) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910144)

As apple has said time and time again, they had hopes of the Ipod's influence leading towards more PC to Mac converts.

While initialy this hardly proved true, it's a very strong sales pitch to have a constant companion with an apple logo on it.

The near ubiquity, and total inunduation of ipods being everywhere also goes a long way towards making apple look like a damn good brand (if they do the ipods so well, the must be good at computers)

I think if apple keeps hammering away at highly tailored and very well-made digital appliances, there computer market share will continue to grow as people put trust in their products.

Though id rather see the specifics of this data to see whether it has any real merit.

Probably a much more intresting question is how apple is going to be able to increase their market share outside the US/japan. While your typical developed high GDP citizen can afford apple's products, getting apple products into the hands of less wealthy countries is a big stumbling block that needs to be addressed if they want to get their hands on the largest emerging computing markets.

we shall see

It happened to me, but the other way around. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910145)

I recently purchased my first mac, a 12" ibook, and fell in love with OSX and the entire Macintosh experience. Powerful _and_ userfriendly. After seeing how solid the UI was, I decided to give the iPod a try, and purchased a 4thG 20GB iPod and was blown away with the absolute near perfection of it's user interface compared to other mp3 players.

I'm not sure why Apple is the only one to make such common-sense hardware, it's not such a giant leap between quality, user interface and design aesthetics, but other companies maybe excepting (Panasonic's laptops) just keep screwing up their entire process and rely on marketing newspeak to appear worthwhile.

I feel vaguely nauseated now every time I use windows.

I have (1)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910151)

2 years ago I purchased an Ipod, 3 weeks ago I purchased an old B&W Powermac to try out OSX before I replace one of my systems, and today I received my brand new 1.2ghz Ibook. While I still have a PC around for gaming and other things, Im definately switching most of my usage to the Mac, its just so .... pleasurable to use. I cant say my Ipod purchase influenced my Mac purchase, but hell, its still a good peripheral. All of my current kit works with OSX, so Ive lost nothing.

Im one happy switcher.

One Right Here (5, Interesting)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910152)

I'd used Macs for web development in a previous job, and had always liked OS X. I was ecstatic when iTunes was released for the PC, as it was the singularly best program for managing large music collections I'd ever seen.

When I got my new job, one of the first things I did is shell out for an iPod to replace my crappy car CD changer. The Apple design philosophy appealed to me, and the incredible ease-of-use of both iTunes and the iPod were a big factor.

Last month I bought an iBook - the fact that they dropped the price, bumped up the CPU speed, and added AirPort Express for free was enough to get me off the fence. I wanted a laptop that was lighter than my old Compaq which weighs more than Kirstie Allie after camping out at a Royal Fork for a week. The iBook was light, priced competitively, and had all the features I want.

I had been trying to get my WinXP Home laptop to connect to the shared files on my XP Pro desktop for days, and finally just gave up. The iBook not only saw the network, but just asked for the password to connect. That was it. No hastle, no fiddling with network setup, no hunting through poorly documented and frequently useless configuration pages. AirPort has no trouble connecting to any wireless network I can throw at it.

My next machine may well be a Mac. It runs the software I need to be productive, the UNIX underpinnings mean that I have not only all the UNIX tools I'm used to from vim to Apache, but I also have a beautiful and usable GUI to go with it.

I hated Macs before. The "classic" Mac OS never appealed to me in the slightest. But Mac OS X is a dream to use, from running Photoshop to using it as a test server with the built-in copy of Apache.

OS X just "gets it". It is by far the best OS I've used, and iTunes gives Windows users a preview of how well Mac software works. The iPod and iTunes are the perfect "gateway drug" into full-fledged Mac addiction. Macs have always been a niche product, and Apple has always been a niche retailer. But if the iPod helps drive even a small number of PC users towards the Apple platform, it's a net gain to Apple on top of the incredibly strong sales of the iPod line.

How about this correlation (2, Insightful)

matth1jd (823437) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910161)

Now of course I know correlation != causation but I had this thought.

I'd imagine a small percentage (say 10%) of iPod users probably bought the most expensive model at the time be it the large 40GB iPod or the new iPod Photo. Whereas most of us don't have the money to drop on the latest and greatest iPod this group could purchase 1 or more if they so desired.

As another post pointed out it's probably people in this group (fat wallets) who are making the switch. "I can afford the $500 dollar iPod might as well as get the computer that goes along with it". So there's your 6%.

Personally I'm too entrenched in my Windows box, and I can't afford an iPod let alone a whole computer from Apple. Anyone want to get me an early Christmas Gift? Heck a belated gift if it's an iPod :)

--J

Gotta Agree... (1)

jayloden (806185) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910162)

I really hated Apple products, until I got my iPod. Then I started to notice that it was pretty well engineered and thought out. (Little things, like when you pull the headphones out of the jack, it pauses the music). Eventually, I started to talk to our resident Mac fanatic at work, and he kept showing me similar examples of "coolness" on his PowerBook, and eventually it added up to sell me on buying a PowerBook for my next computer purchase. I'm sure I'll have Linux on there as a dual boot, but I have to agree that without the iPod, it would have taken a lot to get me to give OS X and Apple a chance.

-Jay

PC vs PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910172)

Is it just me or does anyone else get confused when people use PC to say IBM Compatible. I consider the mac a PC and I find it hard figure out that people are excluding Macs when saying PC. Maybe thats why I am much better at C than most people, but not Java.

Just a Straw on FUD's Back (1)

charlieOReilly (817578) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910175)

I believe the underlying issue at hand is the declining usability gap between Microsoft products and all others. Not only are the other technology companies getting better at catering to the average customer, but the average customer is getting more and more savvy. All it takes is one glimpse of the other side of the coin to realize that there are wonderful products out there that don't include M$. That glimpse could be Firefox, iPod, KDE or VI... well... maybe not KDE.

Piper Jaffray already knew it (2, Interesting)

the pickle (261584) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910188)

That's why they raised their price target on AAPL to $100 [macminute.com] (and also why AAPL gained six bucks a share two days ago).

MacWorld UK has a related story [macworld.co.uk] today.

No matter how you look at it, if the "halo effect" is real, it's a Good Thing(tm) for Apple, and probably for the industry in general, because it proves that there are legitimate alternatives to Windows for the non-techie crowd.

p

How do we exploit this lesson? (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910196)

I agree that this study is rather dubious, but I also think that winning the embedded market does win desktops with it. So how should Free OSs exploit this? You can make something as "cool" as a zaurus, but you will only attract the uber-nerd. What kind of embedded devices can be made with elegant interfaces like the ipod with great support on Free OSs? Should someone be pushing for an embedded handheld linux video player?

Funky calculations (1)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910208)

According to this article [internetnews.com] , Apple sold 2.01M ipods in a single quarter recently. At 6% that the parent article claims, that would be about 120K new Mac users per quarter? According to this article [macobserver.com] , their total computer sales are 836K for about the same time. Ipods driving 14% of their total computer sales? Seems high.

-S

Ookay.. (1)

jx100 (453615) | more than 8 years ago | (#10910210)

Why is this story listed under OS 9? If you're going to put a Mac OS there, shouldn't it be OS X?

Subliminal messages.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910222)

That's how they're doing it - iPods overlay "buy a mac - you want to buy a mac - buying a mac will make you ubersexy and desireable - buying a mac will make you a better person - vote bush." over your music as you listen to it...

Paranoid Ramblin's...

Increasing Mac use (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#10910235)

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.a sp

There was a story the other day about IE losing market share to Firefox. There were also stats about operating system market share. The above link has the statistics. Basically, Mac and Linux are both slowly gaining market share at about the same rate. However, if you add them both up, they only amount to about 6% of the market that was surveyed.

I'm not sure how important this is. The overall use of Macs seems to be pretty small.
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