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Jon Bringing WMV9 to Linux

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the yes-have-some dept.

Movies 467

julie-h writes "DVD Jon has done it again. This time it wasn't Apple the target, but Microsoft's WMV9 video format. There is as always a working Proof of Concept program with screenshots."

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couldn't resist. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921612)

first post.

niggers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921615)

post first

Loser #1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921629)

Loser #1

How does Jon (5, Funny)

cdgod (132891) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921616)

sit in his chair with those two big brass ones?

Re:How does Jon (5, Funny)

physicsphairy (720718) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921627)

Well, the chair produces an induction in his... "Ooh! Tingly!!!"

two words... (1)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921632)

jock strap

Re:How does Jon (5, Insightful)

Stevyn (691306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921645)

He's just a front for a large group of hackers. He's talented, but he doesn't just sit around and do all this by himself.

Re:How does Jon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921802)

Mod this up, it is true.

Re:How does Jon (5, Insightful)

mcleodnine (141832) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921809)

Yeah - but he's the one who get his "brass ones" nailed to the Inquisition chair every time some DMCA twit gets a knot in his gonch.

Re:How does Jon (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921808)

Can someone explain the above comment?

First Post! (-1, Offtopic)

duncanbojangles (787775) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921617)

Finally I can view all the new porn I've been collecting.

wohoooo first post! (-1, Offtopic)

dharash (652371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921621)

wohoo first post

Bringing WMV9 to linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921622)

Just not legally.

Of course, noone in the linux community give a ripe fuck about whether or not the code they run is legal.

Re:Bringing WMV9 to linux (5, Insightful)

St. Arbirix (218306) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921748)

Of course, noone in the linux community give a ripe fuck about whether or not the code they run is legal.

Fool!

That's all we care about. Why do you think we make so much of an issue about companies making exclusive deals to release video and audio in formats that don't have any sort of official support from the format creator? It's not like we own DVD-audio players and our music only comes in SACD; the ability to play WM9 is only several hundred lines of code away and yet we're expected to purchase a completely different operating system to be able to play them.

The sad story about using "illegal" code in Linux (isn't libdvdread still like this?) is that it is often more useful than the a) hard to find b) not that great altenative. I personally find that where there is both a commercial and free version of a linux program ported from Windows, the commercial version acts like cripple-ware.

Re:Bringing WMV9 to linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921777)

That's a classic case of YHBT.

Re:Bringing WMV9 to linux (3, Interesting)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921765)

Just not legally. Of course, noone in the linux community give a ripe fuck about whether or not the code they run is legal.

You got modded flamebait but you raise a valid point, Linux previously did try and adhere to legality whenever possible. There was the whole not including a mp3 codec debacle.

I have proposed a Black Hat Linux, it will come with a windows installer on the same DVD and a bunch of closed source apps.

Unfortunatly I also believe in the Linux movement, the idea of freeing all software may be forwarded more rapidly by creating free alternatives and having them widely adopted to the extent that no one will WAMT to pay for software, (as opposed to everyone agreeing to steal it and driving the closed source companies out of business). Either way would accomplish the same purpose.

Re:Bringing WMV9 to linux (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921783)

There is no such thing as illegal code.
Only illegal laws.

Nice... (4, Funny)

Zen (8377) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921625)

Thanksgiving night, and there's still enough of us sitting around doing nothing better than looking at /. that the pictures are already down.

Re:Nice... (4, Funny)

FrYGuY101 (770432) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921633)

Hey, some people watch football, we sit around harassing poor server admins.

Everybody has hobbies!

Re:Nice... (-1, Troll)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921735)

And beating your wives?

Sorry low blow...

Hockey FOREVER! GO CANADA!

Re:Nice... (2, Informative)

B'Trey (111263) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921830)

Uh, some of us sit around broswing Slashdot while we're watching football. I have the WVU/Pitt game on right now.

Re:Nice... (1)

DJTodd242 (560481) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921638)

Mostly because us superiorly connected Canadians already had our Turkey Coma. :)

Re:Nice... (1)

isolationism (782170) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921639)

No kidding. I figured I was in like Flynn with only a handful of replies to the thread. Maybe the American readers are too turkey-stuffed to type but can still manage to nudge a mouse around?

Re:Nice... (1)

ricewind (690994) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921641)

Not all of us live in your timezone or country.

Re:Nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921669)

/. has always had a US slant because guess what (I bet you'll never guess) it's based in the US!

Re:Nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921680)

Yes, because a US slant makes all your users US.

All he said was that not all Slashdot users are from the US. This is true. Why argue?

Re:Nice... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921699)

Because all the whining about US-centrism is annoying!

Slashdot isn't some UN program or something, it's a fricken website owned by an American company and run by Americans!

It is US-centric, but geez, get over it.

It's about as internationalist as Americans get so just be happy.

Re:Nice... (0, Troll)

JanneM (7445) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921725)

The only whining I see in this thread is from you.

Nobody is complaining about it; they are merely responding to the parent poster regarding possible reasons people are surfing slashdot even though it is thanksgiving night in the US.

Grow a skin.

Re:Nice... (0, Offtopic)

ricewind (690994) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921825)

Hold on a second. You accuse me of whining because I think that slashdot readers outside the US can cause a Slashdot Effect? The original poster appeared to find it strange that a site could be /.ed on thanksgiving night. I was merely providing him with a reason why this might be.

And I'm the one who needs to 'grow a skin'? "Chill, Winston."

SCORE +3: US CENTRIC POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921642)

not thanksgiving and its daytime where I am.

SCORE -1: THIS IS A US SITE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921742)

Because we invented the Internet we get to have all the best sites, and our Mars probes don't always crash too.

Re:Nice... (0, Redundant)

arlandbayes (770479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921657)

Thanksgiving night?

Many slashdot readers don't live in the USA and hence don't celebrate thankgiving, heathens that we are.

Re:Nice... (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921739)

Actually, they're having a heathen celebration. It has nothing to do with christianity.

And, AFAIR, it represents one of the minor groups of settlers. But never mind that...

it's Christian according to Declaration (1, Offtopic)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921822)

George Washington, America's first president, signed Thanksgiving Day into existence...he made it obviously a Christian day of thanking God..it originally was NOT the "yay settlers!" day it has become

i think the most relevant statement in his 1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation [night.net] when he created Thanksgiving Day is:

"And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions"

there is literally NOTHING in his proclamation of thanksgiving about the Pilgrims, or any other settler group...TAKE THAT MY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL TEACHER!!

Re:Nice... (0, Offtopic)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921660)

That or Microsoft has already taken their revenge, DMCA'd them, had the FBI take down the servers, and are now combing the logs to find out who to go after next!

Re:Nice... (3, Funny)

mr_exit (216086) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921697)

I dont know what kind of wacky "time zone" you are caught in, somewhere where it is night already! here it's just a normal old friday afternoon.

What colour is the grass in your world?

Re:Nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921839)

What coulouour is it in yours eh?

Re:Nice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921810)

You could have watched the Bears/Cowboys football game.

Then again, it's probably more fun to stare at an empty browser window.

Re:Nice... (0, Redundant)

log2.0 (674840) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921812)

Not everyone in the world is American :P

Already down? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921626)

already down?

slashdoted... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921628)

already?

Why? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921635)

The critical question is: why? There's no legitimate reason to want WMV.

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921655)

To watch porn, duh.

Re:Why? (4, Insightful)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921663)

um, lots of web content is only offered in WMV?

I have a mother in law who is Hungarian, when she visits, she watches hungarian language programming, offered only in, windows media format.

Re:Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921769)

You should have never married a Hungarian...

Re:Why? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921817)

I have a mother in law who is Hungarian, when she visits, she watches hungarian language programming, offered only in, windows media format.

I think, you might have missed, a few, commas. I know Wil Wheaton posts to Slashdot, but I didn't know about Shatner.

Re: Why? (3, Insightful)

Alwin Henseler (640539) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921795)

  1. MSFT said to people: "WMV9 is good!"
  2. DVD Jon comes along
  3. MSFT says to people: "WMV9 is not so good anymore, but now there's WMV10"
  4. ???
  5. Profit!

Links Dont Work (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921640)

Server dead after 5 comments?
Is this a record?

Re:Links Dont Work (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921664)

Yes, it is a record. Just like the other five million stories that have had links dead in 0-20 comments.

Re:Links Dont Work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921716)

Hmm... Since your comment is #10921664 I guess by your numbers that each story only gets an average of 2 comments...

Google Cache LinK! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921643)

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:DgkoyrLRgNUJ: www.nanocrew.net/blog/+&hl=en

whats the difference between. (2, Funny)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921644)

wmv9 and a slashdotted site?

One's a sick duck... I can't remember how it ends but your (you slashdotters) mother's a whore.

Re:whats the difference between. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921676)

wmv9 and a Man in Spandex?

Nothing, both make for poor viewing.

Spandex? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921695)

Flanders: It's like I'm wearing nothing at all... nothing at all... nothing at all...

Re:Spandex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921701)

stupid sexy flanders

OH man (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921647)

./ 'd already !

It that a record ?..hehehe

Or were Bills lawyers watching ?

Slashdotted already (5, Informative)

Joel from Sydney (828208) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921654)

When will people learn not to get links to their blogs on the main page of /. ?

Here's the Google Cache link [google.com] .

support? (2, Insightful)

Renraku (518261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921662)

Is it going to support those annoying-as-piss instructions in some files that open IE and point it to random websites?

Re:support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921744)

Probably not since the VC-1 standard is for video streams only -

" Microsoft has given the impression that its WMV9 and SMPTE's VC-1 are one and the same, but there are differences. Windows Media includes many things that are not part of VC-1, including digital rights management, metadata, a playlist and a user interface. VC-1 is purely a video compression algorithm. "

Re:support? (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921758)

It's a feature.
That you can't control.
Some would say that this feature, coupled with the rampant security flaws in IE, could pose a security risk.
They are, of course, not completely wrong.

But it is a feature, nonetheless.

Go Jon! (5, Funny)

Tokerat (150341) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921673)


It's people like DVD Jon who make me feel like a total sham everytime someone calls me a "computer genius". What's he got for us next?

Re:Go Jon! (0, Flamebait)

geekoid (135745) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921731)

maybe it's a sham. Maybe you just like to be around the computer scene and pretend. Or maybe not, but the only way to find out is to do something.

Personally, I would lay odds that you are no dumber the Jon. wait, that didn't sound right...

Re:Go Jon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921806)

What's he got for us next?

He's going to bang some hot chicks and make us all want to kill ourselves.

Must suck to be you (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921835)

if you don't get to do stuff like that

Mixed feelings (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921679)

I suppose I'm pleased that this will give me access to a wider range of material playable on my Linux boxen. On the other hand, I feel uneasy, knowning almost certainly that this isn't legal (C'mon, this is DVD Jon!). While I might disagree with the law, isn't Linux still trying to regain respectability after the SCO accusations? They may have been false, but claims of pirated software in Linux wrt this are almost certainly true.

Re:Mixed feelings (1)

TravisWatkins (746905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921696)

Well, you might as well get rid of all those MP3s you have too then. Oh, and all those AAC and MPG files. It wouldn't surprise me if someone could find a patent that covered the ogg work too.

Re:Mixed feelings (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921704)

They may have been false, but claims of pirated software in Linux wrt this are almost certainly true.
Does it use Windows .dlls? If not, then it's merely a DMCA violation. [IANAL]

Re:Mixed feelings (5, Insightful)

arlandbayes (770479) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921750)

If not, then it's merely a DMCA violation.

What DVD John has done might be legally dubious, but it is certainly not immoral or unethical.

What he did last time wasn't illegal (2, Informative)

hayden (9724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921707)

On the other hand, I feel uneasy, knowning almost certainly that this isn't legal (C'mon, this is DVD Jon!).
It wasn't illegal even when you take into account the crappy copyright regime currently being imposed.

Re:Mixed feelings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921708)

<mjg59> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=130849&c id=10921679 is great
<AJ> FFS
<AJ> mjg59: How did you find that?
<AJ> I JUST FUCKING POSTED THAT

Re:Mixed feelings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921720)

Oh no, you just made me read Slashdot for the first time in years. :(

QUIT SLASHDOT TODAY
http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/mis c/slash dot.html

slashdotting... (5, Informative)

|bazop| (77229) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921681)

Courtesy of mirrordot [mirrordot.org] : --J.

Re:slashdotting... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921706)

Damn his desktop looks nice.

My fedora desktop looks like garbage.

Gnome and Fedora (5, Funny)

darkninja2000 (818625) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921703)

Heh, DVD Jon uses gnome and fedora! Noob! ... no wait...

Outrageous (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921705)

DVD Jon belongs in Gitmo [thenausea.com] for committing crimes against American businesses.

What happened here? (5, Interesting)

natrius (642724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921722)

From the article linked to the blog post, it seems that he got the reference decoder for the VC-1 standard, which is compatible with WMP9, to work in VLC. The headline makes it look like there was some sort of reverse engineering done here, but after actually reading the article (gasp), it doesn't seem like that's the case.

Portugal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921723)

Portugal is the best country in the world. Jon is not portuguese, neither is WMV 9. This is irrelevant.

All hail Portugal.

As you prepare to insult my post, remember: would you ever say that to a portuguese man's face? Of course not. You would get your ass kicked because you are a faceless, cowardly nerd with thick glasses and a big nose.

The other option would be that you are such the beaten up nerd that you took some martial art and kick ass. Well... deep down you are still an insecure nerd trying to get approval from the world.

Approval denied.

Portugal... the country will balls. We fucking rule!

Voces sao uns filhos da puta de merda com a mania que mandam no mundo. Caralhos.

Is This a Big Deal ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921726)

Since VC-1 is based on WMV 9 is it really a big deal getting the VC-1 codec to play a basic WMV 9 stream ?

why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921727)

not sure this is the same, but i've been playing wmv/wma under linux with xine for over a year now..all i did was download the full codec pack from mplayers site, install them, and go..it has ma9dmod.dll wmadmod.dll wmspdmod.dll wmv8ds32.ax wmv9dmod.dll wmvdmod.dll wmvds32.ax as far as wm* codecs go, which have played any wmv/wma i've thrown at it, and with a small plugin 75% of the vids on sites will play without no intervention, the other 25% just require saving the vid first, then opening the player, and playing..

Re:why not? (2, Insightful)

gseidman (97) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921768)

Gee, that's great. Fantastic. Except I have Linux running on a PowerPC. What's that? I'm SOL because those closed-source DLLs are for a different processor? Darn. Maybe this is a good thing after all.

That's why no one takes Linux seriously (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921734)

Just one other example of why serious computer professionals will always prefer FreeBSD to this time-sapping, law-breaking, illegal tinkerer's pseudo-OS. Long live BSD, a UNIX variant for serious professionals, not kiddie crackers.

Re:That's why no one takes Linux seriously (1)

nukem996 (624036) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921779)

Its runs on BSD as well. Plenty of people do take linux seriously thats why its the #2 OS on the market. Most apps that run on FreeBSD are originaly made on linux and then ported to BSD. Just a few people do some things you dont agree with dosnt mean there a script kiddie.

Dear God. (-1, Redundant)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921738)

I would like to thank you, oh yet again, for "DVD Jon".

He bring us all free code goodness and has ruined many-a-day for uptight corporate executives.

Your humble servant.
LK

Source code? (2, Interesting)

betonme (752948) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921761)

So it is running in a GPL program (VLC) using an open (VC1) standard. Details? Anyone? Link to the source? Hello?

Now... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921766)

Take me to your source....
So I can make tee-shirts out of it....
Then make a song, poem and even a music video from the same code... :)

WOW (1)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921771)

This guy should be given knighthood. Fucking genius.

VC-1 and Windows Media DRM (4, Interesting)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921772)

According to the blog, it seems it uses VC-1 reference decoder to play WMV9 on Linux. IIRC VC-1 is open source now after it was submit to SMPTE for the review. Is there any difference between VC-1 and WMV9 except for four CC code and other trivial things?

Also, at the first glance at the headline of this story, I'd thought DVD Jon cracked DRM on WMV9 and delighted, but he didn't apparently, so non-Linux people don't have much to rejoice about this story anyway. If I'm mistaken and this story can be related to Windows Media DRM somehow, please point it to me as I'm happy if that's true.

Media Companies Should Support Linux (4, Insightful)

Synbiosis (726818) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921776)

The worst thing about this is that if software companies actually *supported* Linux, they would never have to deal with any of this. They are forcing people to crack copy protection so they can view media that they purchased online. I don't really understand it. There's Windows Media Player for Mac OS X and its market share is roughly equal to that of Linux. It really wouldn't be that hard for Microsoft to release a generic codec pack for Linux.

Re:Media Companies Should Support Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921796)

There's Windows Media Player for Mac OS X and its market share is roughly equal to that of Linux.

IME (and despite Microsoft's claims to the contrary on the download page) the latest version of Windows Media Player for the Mac does not support any DRM'd media.

Re:Media Companies Should Support Linux (1)

mattjb0010 (724744) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921813)

There's Windows Media Player for Mac OS X and its market share is roughly equal to that of Linux.

It doesn't support all the codecs the Windows Windows Media Player does. VLC handles the wmv files better. I also like VLC because it supports region-free DVD playing, unlike the standard Apple-supplied software. Go VLC! :)

MPlayer? (4, Interesting)

OblongPlatypus (233746) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921785)

Hasn't this been possible all along, with MPlayer? Their codec status table [mplayerhq.hu] lists "Windows Media Video 9 DMO" as working. Is that not the same thing as the WMV9 referred to here?

Amazing (0, Redundant)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921787)

This guy never ceases to amaze me. I wouldn't even know where to begin deciphering a codec. If I accomplished it at all, it would be only once. And then it would be blind luck.

My hat's off to Jon.

Re:Amazing (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921820)

He didn't crack the WMV9 codec, he used the VC-1 reference codec which is based on WMV 9 video streams. I don't think it's that big a deal ...

What's the fuzz about? (5, Informative)

thedj_sd (679390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921789)

People people.... Jon just has access (legally this time) to the VC1 reference codec and sources. He simply decided to look at how easy it was to use this in VLC. From what i remember (this was more than 6 weeks ago or something) it was half a days work. Mind you that he didn't release anything. He doesn't need to. He said that the VC1 licensing terms are less strict than MPEG4 and Jon can just use the sources after the VC1 codec is 100% final, which isn't too far off. (btw. MPEG group should really get their act together, cause VC1 truly has better licensing atm and people are getting fed up with the MPEG mess).

Re:What's the fuzz about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921833)

Finally, someone who RTFA before they posted !

I don't care about the source... (0, Offtopic)

julie-h (530222) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921790)

... I want to know, how to get those girls in the screenshots! =)

If you want to watch your WMV now in linux... (3, Informative)

tearmeapart (674637) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921791)

It does not seem that DVD Jon has completely released his project yet, so if you are want to play WMVs in linux now, try using xine [sourceforge.net] . Quote from the xine site: "...It also decodes multimedia files like AVI, MOV, WMV, and MP3 from local disk drives...". With the small collection of trailers and a few movies from lmule [sourceforge.net] (it's like emule), I have not experienced one problem with xine.

I can do that (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10921799)

I can get WMV9 video screenpcaps on linux too.....well, ok, its with photoshop but still.

Rawr (2, Interesting)

Renraku (518261) | more than 9 years ago | (#10921811)

If Microsoft could allow images to run code when viewed, I guess video files are no different. Watch out all you porn viewers using Windows Media Player.

Your modem is about to disconnect and dial The Czech Republic.
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