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An Update on Patrick Volkerding

michael posted more than 9 years ago | from the medic-alert dept.

Science 518

Noryungi writes "Patrick Volkerding, the maintainer of Slackware Linux has posted an update on his health problems on the ChangeLog of Slackware-Current. Unfortunately, it seems his health is getting worse and not better... Again, if you know some specialist in viral infections, contact Patrick ASAP. Hang in there, Pat!" Our original story.

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Low-Carb Movement Gains Internet Celebrity Support (0, Offtopic)

Zyklon B Gas (831154) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924230)

Low-Carb Movement Gains Internet Celebrity Support

Noted Internet fatass cowboyneal has a new reason to eat a pound of ground beef, only this time it is not deep fried in corn batter and surrounded by curly fries. No, on a routine trip to Carl's jr. he tells me that he discovered the low carb six dollar burger purely by accident, originally thinking of it as a way to eat more fat and not be filled with bread. It became more of an obsession than linux douchebaggery. The psychological heirarchy of needs is proven once again.

Instead of his normal deep fried vegetable fat intake this is animal fat, something that feeds the carnal nature of all man. It is also the main stay of one of the most popular low-carb diet crazes to hit the market. The atkin's nutritional approach is driven not by a lower fat intake, or a particularly low caloric intake but rather high protein and high fat in the initial stages of the diet, it is safe to continue induction for up to six months. This induction phase is what cowboyneal had stumbled upon.

GNAA reporter GuyNiguere questioned Carl's jr. employee and undercover informant JesuitX about cowboyneal's visits to the fast food chain. Upon questioning JesuitX pulled his 2-foot nigger cock out of the mayonnaise vat and began cursing the franchise owner and anyone who looked like that "chink Korean penny pinching assface with the black heart of a Jew banker foreclosing on a struggling rural family in western Nebraska". Having never actually answered any questions GuyNiguere decided to stake the restaurant out him self. These are the findings of the stake out:

GuyNiguere, stake out report. Day 1

After a morning of no relevant activity I believe I have hit the motherlode so to speak, after feeling several small tremors and noticing the scent of burning pork and Marlboro light cigarettes he appeared. This magnificent behemoth of a man resembling a pasty white pre-surgery Al Roker genetically crossed with a tokyox hog. I knew at once it was the unspeakable, the terrible, the unimaginable, CowBoyNeal. After slipping on his own sweat and having three employees with a hand truck prop him up at the counter he proceeded to order fourteen low-carb six-dollar burgers. Enough beef to feed the children of an entire AOL call center.

I feel I must talk to this incredible beast but the crunch of burger wrappers and commotion of Carl's jr. employees is just too much for me. Today has been a momentous day, and I would love to get the story first hand from the man, but surely his failing eyesight, latent racism, and my natural nigger tendencies to wear bright colors could mean certain death. Perhaps tomorrow, I need to regain my strength.

The GNAA reporter had every right to be afraid, for the next day he attempted to talk to the infamous butterball and was likely savagely devoured much to the amazement of the GNAA. Always the forward thinker he decided to use his stolen laptop to broadcast the interview live via irc. This shocking moment in slashdot/gnaa relations is both disturbing and enlightening.

GuyNiguere: I'm here with cowboyneal, I am about to go ask him about his weight loss, I may die, but to leave this world in service of the GNAA is the most noble way to go.

GuyNiguere: Cowboyneal, I see you've lost a lot of weight, how did you manage to do it?

GuyNiguere: He says that I look tasty and that he has lost almost a quarter of his weight 475 lbs. so far by simply eating nothing more than six-dollar burgers dripping with ranch dressing.

GuyNiguere: How did you notice the weight loss, forgive me but a quarter of your weight isn't all that much in the scope of things.

GuyNiguere: He says the first indication was when his wife found his penis and he's been pumping the porker ever since she figured out how to support his cockapron with a pneumatic cylinder.

GuyNiguere: How has your new diet changed your life?

GuyNiguere: He said I look like I'm made of tasty nigger meat and that it has allowed him to come to terms with his failed weblog. In addition he has found out that he has more energy to eat and advocate dead operating systems such as BSD. He also tells me that he has been able to switch back to normal keyboards for all his typing, but has had to give up keeping his Macintosh laptop underneath his musty manteats.

GuyNiguere: Pardon the personal questions Neal, but have you found the psychological reason that you have such an eating disorder?

GuyNiguere: he's looking at me funny but says that he first noticed the weight gain trying to get his webcam to work on an early distribution of redhat linux. Depressed at the rampant failure and unable to give up the operating system in favor of something that actually works his diet consisted mostly of double layered pizzas and pork fried rice. The list he is giving me is too long and the look in his eyes is beginning to concern me. I think he means anything delivered to his door.

GuyNiguere: OMG He's still rambling about food I think he's shifting his weight to me, I hope to god someone brings him another burger. I'm ending this interview now.


GuyNiguere was never heard from again. It is my fondest hope that he at least made it out of there alive and with any hope is still nursing the mental wounds from his experience praying somewhere in the woods unable to interact with society due to his disgusting experience, much like a Vietnam vet. Something tells me that is not the case. The atkin's diet has worked for cowboyneal; unfortunately, GuyNiguere was also low carb. May he be blessed with the holy nigger seed.

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Best of luck (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924239)

I, like most of slashdot, send my well-wishes.

Re:Best of luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924345)

Seconded. The first distro of Linux I ever used was Slackware, and that served as a catalyst for much greater things in my future. Pat: You're the man, so don't lose.

Hurry up and die faggot (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924421)

HAHA!! Dedicate your life to being a code monkey working for free and get an incurable disease in return. I call it justice.

Now please die soon and quietly as possible so we don't have to hear about your stupid disease anymore.

Re:Hurry up and die faggot (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924477)

This is God writing. The above poster and I have a session planned (might not be on his schedule yet) where we'll be dealing with his ... problem. If we can't resolve it, there's another department a few floors down that will welcome him.

Re:Best of luck (Me too!) (0, Redundant)

salvorHardin (737162) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924432)

Let's make this a sponsored 'me-too' thread. If we can beat the world record (which undoubtedly goes to AOL forums, or possibly some of the darker corners of USERNET), we might raise enough cash to develop a cure!

Re:Best of luck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924468)

Would he let a cardiologist write patches and install them on his precious Linux box? No.

Then why the fuck is he, a Linux fag, pretending to be a doctor? He's already fucked things up worse with his self medication.

I'll bet he's fat.

Re:Best of luck (1)

BLAG-blast (302533) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924549)

I'll bet he's fat.

How much? []

I'll bet you are wrong about most things.

I am a Slackware 10.0 user (3, Interesting)

essreenim (647659) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924616)

Patrick if you're listening.
I use Slackware for everything - it has the hallmarks of an OS that is for humans (people) as opposed to drones. It has that human touch.
Thats a legacy you can be proud off if all on its own. Just the simple fact that every time I open up a terminal, there is a quirky quote of some kind which can be humerous to outrageous to serious but always interesting. Get well soon..

Damn you, Microsoft! (-1, Troll)

allanc (25681) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924246)

Oh, so you couldn't beat Linux through the free market economy, so now you're resorting to germ warfare?!?

(Hey, if I were suffering from some horrible disease, I'd certainly want people to make jokes about it. So I assume Patrick feels the same way)


Re:Damn you, Microsoft! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924333)

The sad part is that people on Slashdot are so naive, they think this is something normal and that no one is responsible for it.

Re:Damn you, Microsoft! (1)

_w00d_ (129045) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924541)

Well, laughing DOES boost the immune system.

Humour (4, Insightful)

balster neb (645686) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924248)

"Netcraft does not yet confirm it"

Great to see he's kept his sense of humour.

frist posto (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924251)

frist psoto BEBE ^_^

Jeez... (-1, Redundant)

Psiren (6145) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924252)

Just go to a doctor and have some tests done for fuck sake.

Re:Jeez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924274)

You clearly read the article.

Re:Jeez...RTFA he's done it sevral times (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924277)


Re:Jeez... (1)

alexbartok (764756) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924278)

How about RTFA ?
He's been to several docs and none have found anything significant, but he's obviously in a bad condition.

Re:Jeez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924358)

Just recently we follow a discussion here where the conclusion was the the US has the best Health Care in the World!
If that's true it's really scary.

Re:Jeez... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924618)

At least he got to see a doctor. I'm Canadian. I don't have doctor, can't find one who will accept new patients, and haven't seen one in about 6 years. I live in the North and there isn't even a walk in clinic around here. I'm pretty much fucked but at least I get to send 50% of my income to the government for "free" healthcare! HOORAY CANADA!

Stress? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924365)

Maybe he should just try to forget a few months about Internet and work, and try to relax, doing other more relaxing things he likes. I know from experience that stress and tension can cause all such kind of health problems, even though at that moment I could not accept the doctor's statement that physically I was OK and I thought something more severe was happening. A few months later, after relaxing during holidays, everything was over, and so now I have to admit that it actually wás stress.

The problem with stress is that if you cannot accept it, you will be thinking too much of severe things, and will become frustrated because your med cannot find anything wrong with you, which actually only emphases the stress. It's kind of a negative spiral...

Re:Jeez... (3, Informative)

Sai Babu (827212) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924419)

Finding a good doc is like finding a sysadmin (or car mechanic, or plumber, or electronics engineer) who actually knows how things work as opposed to being adept at the 'good practices' dance.

About 15 years back a friend had psittacosis [] that was so bad they had him on IV antibiotics for a year. It's pretty rare in humans and usually not so severe.

It took him forever to find a doc who recognized what he had.

I'm no doc, but common sense would suggest that if symptoms suggest an infectious agent, sampling and investigation of the site of infection would be in order.

As for docs, I had one who looked at an x-ray of my hand in which three bones were clearly broken with a good 3/8 inch between the broken ends and tell me that my hand was fine! Even the x-ray tech didn't see the breaks. It was a surreal experience. Ditto for my moms fractured pelvis (she fell through a rotten section of floor in a building we we're thinking of buying). X-ray tech and doctor did not see the fracture until I pointed it out on the film. They were going to send her home with some pain killers!

Last example was bicep torn completely off the bone in my forearm. Pretty obvious something was wrong. Bicep all bunched up near my shoulder. It was the THIRD doctor who looked at it that finally agreed something was wrong (although he still misdiagnosed). Finally found a good orthpedist who had seen the condition (pretty unusual) before.

Re:Jeez... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924566)

Shut the fuck up, you lying cocksucker.

Re:Jeez... (3, Insightful)

Nurseman (161297) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924497)

He's been to several docs and none have found anything significant, but he's obviously in a bad condition.

I think the general consensus among medical professionals on the last go round, is he needs a SPECIALIST, not an internest, not an ER doctor. He needs to go to someone with a plan, an Infectious Disease fellow who deals waith these kinds of illnesses. He apparently is near some world class medical institutions, I am not sure why he is not utilizing them.

Good luck Pat (5, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924267)

Pat is one of the heros of the Linux movement, like Donald Becker, or Andre Hedrick, people without whom running linux would be an impossible task. Pat, good luck, hang in there!

Plan Of Action (-1, Troll)

Jonny 290 (260890) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924269)


Step 1: Go to the next largest nearby town.
Step 2: See if they can treat your issue.
Step 3: If not, see step 1.

Is it really that hard?

Good luck, but this whole issue is getting surreal.

Re:Plan Of Action (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924299)

Better yet, go to canada or failing that the UK where health care is free. Even tests.
In the UK doctors are so concerned about screwing up the are getting in trouble for ordering too many tests!
And no you dont have to be a citizen, just show up at a hospital and they have to treat you.

Its no better up here... (1)

Stone316 (629009) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924443)

I really sympathize with him... I've been having a pain in my right side for over a year now. I've seen 2 doctors and a specialist and they still aren't 100% sure what the problem is. I've had 3-4 xrays, a bone scan, at least 2 ultrasounds, a scope and the pain is still there. What I have found is that its very hard to find a compedent doctor.

My pain is sporadic, its more annoying than painfull, i'd say maybe a 3/10. But after awhile you start to get tired of constantly feeling pain. My only choice, like him, is to keep seeing doctors and research on my own to toss out possible causes/solutions because they sure as hell don't have any ideas or aren't burning the midnight oil trying to find out whats going on.

I'm sure my doctors dread seeing me coming and thing i'm a hypochondriac (maybe I am, maybe its stress?) or something but what am I supposed to do? Ignore it and hope it goes away? Personally I don't care how annoyed people get with me, cracking jokes like i'm falling apart, etc. I want to be around to see my kids grow up.

2 things to note, if your not a citizen you will have to pay for treatment. And if they refer you to a specialist I hope your sticking around for 4-6 months because thats how long it takes to get an appointment up here.

Re:Its no better up here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924535)

I had a similar problem with right side pain, that started after I did some heavy lifting wrong. Went to a physio after I'd had the pain (though it'd decreased a lot) for 2 years, and he recommended a few exercises and got me enrolled in a gym.

After a few months, the pain had gone. My side is still occasionally a bit tender, but it doesn't bother me day to day.

I'm not saying you have the same problem, but torn muscles exacerbated by poor posture can really give you pain that doesn't go away by itself. Try some exercise, and sit up straight. :)

UK hospitals are not free for americans (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924536)

You have to have insurance or a credit card.

Re:Plan Of Action (1)

Xeo 024 (755161) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924314)

Am I looking at your list right?
I don't see '???' or 'Profit!' anywhere in there.

Re:Plan Of Action (3, Informative)

gaj (1933) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924355)

He said in his message that he'd gone to the Mayo Clinic. There are bigger cities than Rochester, MN, but not better clinics. Mind you, there may well be a clinic of the same caliber that has more experts in infectuous disease ... that I do not know, but just because a city is larger doesn't mean it has better facilities.

Re:Plan Of Action (1)

bigpat (158134) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924442)

I believe he was seeking a doctor or someone with some direct experience who recognized the symptoms, not someone who doesn't know what the problem is to go tell him to go see yet another doctor.

For those of you who refuse to care enough to read the account, he HAS been to several doctors who have been unable to diagnose the problem and treat it successfully.

So, if there is someone out there that is a doctor or knows a doctor or someone who has been sick recently, had these symptoms and was diagnosed and successfully treated, then that might actually be useful if you could take a look at this and spend a few minutes to think about it. Or recommend a good doctor in his area.

Text - save the slackware server (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924271)

Thu Nov 25 17:14:42 PST 2004
"Netcraft does not yet confirm it"

Hi again, everyone. I wish I could report that I'm doing great
and will be back to full health soon, but I can't. Possibly due to
the antibiotics I've already taken, the doctors I've seen have been
unable to find signs of infection, and my blood ESR is normal.
Nevertheless, the signs of complications from an infection are quite
clear. I've had a number of pulmonary "pops" that are either burst
lung abscesses or blebs, and things have spread in a bad way. A
thickening of my pleura has been noted, as well as pericarditis.
Most disturbing of all, I have developed mitral valve prolapse and
regurgitation. I've had a fever and soaking night sweats. I can't
stand for too long without getting faint. Lately I've been spending
a lot of my time on the floor. I have no history of heart problems
and when I got the first chest pains (crushing ones) I went to the
ER immediately. This was on 11/10. They found nothing wrong and
sent me away. The next day I saw an internal medicine MD who gave me
a complete exam including carefully listening for heart problems, and
found nothing wrong. The pain continued, and by the time I got to
the Mayo I had heart trouble so obvious that nobody has failed to
recognize it since. However, it's been a problem getting anyone to
consider that this is a new problem. Most of the people I've seen
think that they are the first to notice it and that everyone before
them must have missed it, and that I've certainly had it my whole life.
But having recently had a major infection and fever and developing a
new murmur and chest pains I'd think it would be only prudent to
treat this as complicated infective endocarditis. I've been to
another different ER with more crushing chest pains since then and
have begged for a needle biopsy to check the plural fluid for empyema,
but nobody will do this diagnostic either. I've verified online that
it's not only possible to have a normal ESR and infective endocarditis
but that patients that present that way have a statistically worse
outcome (maybe because nobody will treat it). Anyway, I'm still
hoping to get the treatment that I'm sure I need, but if there's an
insistance on clinical proof first and treatment second, the proof
might be found at autopsy time. Oh, I've also finally flunked an ECG
after several normal ones and at least pericarditis is now proven.
Now, to clear up a few things. In my initial report I mistakenly
reported that I'd taken 60 days of Cipro for a pulmonary infection.
(hey, I was up late freaking out a bit) This might not have been
for as long a period of time, and it was actually to treat a
relapse of prostatitis (and yes, that does require a long course).
As for those who say I should stop trying to diagnose myself: I am
trying to get doctors to diagnose this ongoing problem. Meanwhile,
it is only wise to try to figure out what's going on myself, and to
get input from as many sources as I possibly can. After all,
sometimes the cavalry just isn't coming. Or as the old (I think
Russian) proverb says: "Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore."

I built a few updates to get my mind on happier things. Maybe I'll
have time to look at the kernel sometime soon, too, but getting my
health back remains the A-number-1 priority here.

kde/koffice-1.3.5-i486-1.tgz: Upgraded to koffice-1.3.5.
kdei/koffice*.tgz: Upgraded to koffice-i18n-1.3.5.

Also, Bruno H Collovini and Piter Punk in Brazil have been helping
to build security updates for Slackware while I'm (mostly) out of
commission. They've helped with Slackware for many years and I
trust and authorize their patches. These can be found here:

Thanks to everyone who has offered to help, and sent get well soon
and other kind emails. I really appreciate it. I'm also grateful
for many of the suggestions on how to boost my immune system with
natural products (hey, that oregano oil can't hurt and tastes
pretty good! :-). I'm going to have to request that the phone
calls stop unless it's for a really good reason, as I've had more
calls than I can possibly return at this point.

All the best (and to those in the US, happy Thanksgiving),


PS My primary development box just mostly locked up on me, so I'll
probably be unable to do additional updates (or at least sign them
properly) until I can get back to CA. What I can and will do is to
run a top-level CHECKSUMS.md5, and then sign that with my GPG key.

PPS Please do not post emails from me without my permission.

Well... (3, Insightful)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924283)

It seems like you keep jumping around to all the different ER's in the area...

What does your actual Doctor think of everything that is going on? You do have a family doctor, right?

Keep this up and the next /. post is going to be your Obituary. Not being a troll, but you need to stop with the games and ge tthis fixed.

Re:Well... (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924505)

As soon as you walk off the well worn path, doctor's are useless. Add to that the fact they're practically trained to think they're God, rather than the lowly flesh mechanics they are, and you've got a tricky situation.

Re:Well... (1)

Blue-Footed Boobie (799209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924603)

True, but if he is as bad as he says, ANY doctor would have him admitted without hesitation.

Unless, of course, he keeps declining the CORRECT course of action...

Oh wow (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924308)

Have you ever stuck your wiener in a guy's ass? You might have that AIDS thing going on.

mod parent up! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924452)


Netcraft Confirms It (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924341)

Linux is hazardous to your health

Bacterial, not viral (4, Insightful)

wa1hco (37574) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924346)

He thinks normal mouth baterial got into his lungs.
Which can happen.
Med Labs routinely ignore mouth bateria in samples.
Antibiotics tailored to leave them alone.
Antibiotics don't work on virii, at all.
Needs old fashioned or special antibiotics.
Some heart disease caused by infection.
Still learning how much disease caused by infection.
Doctors don't do unusual very well.
Needs to get lucky with right doctor.
Nothing wrong with defending yourself.

Re:Bacterial, not viral (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924511)

That's the longest haiku I've seen in a long time.

Re:Bacterial, not viral (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924554)

That's the longest haiku I've seen in a long time.

That's because it's a haikai.


Re:Bacterial, not viral (1)

Scaba (183684) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924564)

All haikus are the same length - 5/7/5 - so one cannot be longer than another, else it's not a haiku.

Re:Bacterial, not viral (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924555)

For what it's worth I spent 12 years in psych treatment, under the care of docs and on various antidepressants and psych drugs because my constantly low energy levels were put down to depression. I felt like shit, the world felt like shit, and it was all put down to me not wanting to take part in life.

Then my GP retired, I picked up a new one who gave me a going over, and it took him 5 minutes to diagnose a chronic low level tonsil infection. You have no idea how good it's felt since I had those fuckers out. 12 goddamned wasted years because doctors couldn't be bothered with the simple things.

Re:Bacterial, not viral (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924575)

so it's best to visit as many doctors as possible, sooner or later he will find one, that *knows*

A travel to Europe any one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924598)

Doctors don't do unusual very well.
Needs to get lucky with right doctor.
Get a real doctor.
I don't know how are USA's doctors, but Europe's doctors are very good (for free).
A travel to Europe any one?

he scares me (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924350)

I hope he was cynical when he said this:
"Anyway, I'm still hoping to get the treatment that I'm sure I need, but if there's an insistance on clinical proof first and treatment second, the proof might be found at autopsy time."

Re:he scares me (3, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924487)

I hope he was cynical when he said this:

Of course he was, but then so was B. P. Roberts when he had "I told you I was sick" inscribed on his crypt.

Cynical humor is the best way to stay sane when you're dead.


Re:he scares me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924583)

mod parent up. LOL

He found the Oregano oil ... (3, Informative)

puzzled (12525) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924356)

At least he found the Oregano oil ... that stuff is like swallowing napalm as far as any bacterial/yeast stuff - it'll pretty much toast anything bothering you in about forty eight hours. Can't understand the part about it tasting good, however, as concentrated Oregano oil *burns* like the hottest hot sauce you've ever seen and it keep on burning for *hours*. You put it in a gel cap and swallow with *a lot* of water.

Hope Patrick is feeling better soon - cardiac stuff is scary++ and the things he describes are going to cause him long term troubles even if he does recover :-(

Re:He found the Oregano oil ... (2, Insightful)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924531)

Well, if you want to bring up anecdotal cures, I'll suggest stocking up on comedies from the black and white era, especially the old silent ones. You may have to visit a film archive and rent an 8mm or 16mm, but you won't get a better laugh out of the lame stuff circulating these days in place of comedies.

Enjoyment has been tied to improved immune function and when it comes down to it with or without anti-biotics his immune system is what has to kick the bacteria.

From time to time you read anecdotes about people kicking illnesses through humor or just deciding to kick back and have fun on the way out. (I guess, though, those are self selecting, You don't usually hear, "well, I tried that, but it killed me anyway...) Myself, as a kid I once got sicker and sicker for months, despite lots of medical treatment, the turning point for me was the b&w and silent comedies. Can't say for sure that's what did it, but at least it was entertaining. YMMV

The problem with Patrick... (-1, Flamebait)

FZer0 (585622) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924368) that he self-medicated for a long time. If he had gone to a doctor right from the start, he'd be probably fine by now. Seriously.

Re:The problem with Patrick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924406)

> he self-medicated for a long time. 02&cid=10833936

Re:The problem with Patrick... (3, Informative)

Welsh Dwarf (743630) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924408)

Seriously, if you kept yourself informed, you'd realise by now that Pat was _never_ self medicating, when he was on antibiotics it was always under perscription.

Re:The problem with Patrick... (1)

marika (572224) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924415)

I am with you on that. See a doctor, if you are not happy with what this one said see another one. You are in charge of your own life but you can't play doctor on yourself.

Re:The problem with Patrick... (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924416)

RTFP, and RTFOriginalP, he wasn't self medicating. How can you get prescription antibiotics w/o consulting a doctor? Estupido..

Re:The problem with Patrick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924491)


Actually, more like pendejo.

Damn fzer0, read the original post, then read the current post, and then post your own opinion, don't be a pendejo by just mouthing off your own uninformed drivel.


Re:The problem with Patrick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924587)

gimmie a break you think its actually hard to get prescription meds w/o a prescription?

The problem with doctors... (5, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924448) that he self-medicated for a long time. If he had gone to a doctor right from the start, he'd be probably fine by now. Seriously.

No, the problem is that he went to a doctor at the start, who told him nothing was wrong. He repeated that about 10 times. In the meantime, he tried to find out what was wrong with him because 1) he has more time than the GPs and crappy specialists he saw, 2) he cares more than them about his health, and 3) most doctors don't think creatively because they aren't trained to.

As someone who has had a hard-to-diagnose health problem, Patrick's course of action is the only one that works. You have to do your own research, and pester the hell out of doctors to get them to actually try to diagnose you. Otherwise, they either tell you nothing's wrong, or they refer you to someone else who repeats the whole process and refers you again.

Patrick didn't self medicate. He's just trying to get these damned doctors to take his condition seriously.

Re:The problem with doctors... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924528)

You have to do your own research, and pester the hell out of doctors to get them to actually try to diagnose you.

"Why does it hurt when I pee?"--The Late, Great Frank Zappa


Re:The problem with Patrick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924521)

you dick. save your insight for another discussion.


dark-br (473115) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924569)

As you can read here [] in his last post on /.

He needs to relax (5, Interesting)

inkey string (35594) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924391)

This man is very intelligent, and does his job very well.

Unfortunately, these advantages can quickly turn into a liability. In the same way that a doctor may end up losing his shirt when he starts daytrading, experience and competence in one area does not necessarily translate to the next. Confidence however, generally does.

He's frequently using medical terms in very poor "context" for lack of a better expression. While technically appropriate, it ends up reading more like an essay written by someone who used a thesaurus too often without knowing exactly what the words mean.

He has been to many doctors, and all of them have found little to nothing wrong. This is drastically different from his own assessment of looming death. Statistically, from the number and variety of doctors he's visited, a false negative at this point is incredibly unlikely. As the saying goes, when everyone else is wrong, you're probably wrong yourself.

Yes, it is important to verify information and diagnoses given to you. But it isn't critical evaluation to assume a conclusion from day one, and stick to it regardless of multiple, consistent, informed opinion.

But then again, if he ends up dying from some bizarre rare disease, I'm going to feel pretty bad about this post.

Re:He needs to relax (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924441)

Would he let a cardiologist write patches and install them on his precious Linux box? No.

Then why the fuck is he, a Linux fag, pretending to be a doctor? He's already fucked things up worse with his self medication.

Re:He needs to relax (0)

Welsh Dwarf (743630) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924481)

See my other posts, Pat _NEVER_ self medicated, so go troll somewhere else

Re:He needs to relax (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924507)

that may be true but ive read many horror stories of people going to tons of doctors and not getting diagnosed, then finding out they did have a problem and it was fixable but its now too late

check out []

its a site filled with stories from survivors of that flesh eating disease.. most of the stories talk about going to several doctors and not being diagnosed correctly until they're almost dead

Re:He needs to relax (5, Interesting)

RangerElf (32760) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924572)

But then again, if he ends up dying from some bizarre rare disease, I'm going to feel pretty bad about this post.

Yes you will, because you know --even if you don't admit it-- that the medical industry in the US is very, very out of touch with the actual needs of people, and more in touch the the "needs" of big pharma.

I've seen it first-hand, with the death of my brother-in-law, what doctors do in order to not make "controversial" actions, and not make a wrong prognosis (any prognosis, actually).

So, what's happening? No hospital will take Patrick in without a definitive diagnosis, and no doctor will make the diagnosis without proof, and the proof is inside Pat right now (biopsy), so it has to be obtained in a hospital, and no hospital will take Patrick in without a definitive diagnosis... (ad nauseam).

It really sux to be in his situation right now, I hope he finds a real MD which will listen to him, and make actual decisions.

Hang on Pat, you'll find him soon enough.


Sad, but he's mostly brought this on himself. (0, Troll)

i41Overlord (829913) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924392)

When I read the first story about him a couple weeks ago I was surprised to see him self medicating himself with antibiotics.

This is dangerous because doctors always make it a point to tell you not to overdo it with antibiotics and once you decide to take one, run it through its full course and take the full dosage for as long as they tell you to. It's a bad idea to take them only until you "feel" better and then stop, because it gives the infection a chance to grow back, only this time it will be more resistant to that antibiotic.

By doing things half-assed and delaying getting REAL help, he's making the problem worse.

I hope he finally gets the help he needs and gets over this illness, and I'm sure he learned what not to do.

Re:Sad, but he's mostly brought this on himself. (2, Insightful)

KontinMonet (737319) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924589)

Don't overdo the antibiotics? Are you in the US? Antibiotics (eg: tetracycline, penicillin and streptomycin) are used as growth promoters in cattle and other animals. Antibiotic resistance genes are being transferred from the environment into our bodies: New Scientist [] for the scary details.

hmm weird (2, Interesting)

MrP- (45616) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924393)

my mom had a fever last month that lasted a few weeks, they couldnt find what caused it but they found a heart murmur and after more testing they found out she has an atrial septal defect (a hole in her heart) and will have to have open heart surgery soon.. they all say its a birth defect that no one ever saw until now (shes 43).. but i wonder if its related to that weird fever.

just reading about how hes seen different doctors and they all say it must be a birth defect and no one found it until now, when he knows its from his infection makes me wonder if the same is happening to my mom and its actually a result of her weird fever

Re:heart defects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924542)

Actually, defects in children can be normal and will often close as you grow older.

I was that way, you could hear a lub-swoosh-dub sound on listening to my heart when I was little. Now it's quite normal, though I still ask my doctors about it from time to time.

Wonder if that's the same kind of thing only it got missed over the years, and hers never closed up.

I'm touched. (1)

holderofthering (810144) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924400)

I think it means Slashdot cares, when they all post anonymously.

Check him in (3, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924402)

Lots of people are saying he should be checking himself into a clinic.

I personally think he should be checked into CVS.

Thats way, at least we have a backup..just in case :(

recent trend (5, Interesting)

untaken_name (660789) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924404)

I've noticed that in the last few years (maybe it's just my perspective, I don't know) doctors seem less and less likely to actually listen to their patients. I have recurring tonsilitis that I get at least once a year and usually more. I have been going through this since I was 6, when the doctors refused to take my tonsils out even though my mother wanted them to. Now the blood vessels are too big to make it a safe operation. Anyhow, I know what needs to be done and what I am suffering from, as I've been dealing with this for 23 years. However, I find that I have to make appointments with 3 or 4 doctors before I find one that listens to me at all. The others will go 'uh huh, uh huh, yeah, uh huh.' Then they give me some test for strep throat or send me away with a low dose of penicillin or something else that doesn't help me get better. Why is it that even if we use technical terms, doctors won't listen? Mr. Volkerding clearly at least has *some* idea of what he's talking about, and I find it sickening that his doctors are paying so little attention to what he says. I don't even like it when it happens to me with a much less serious condition, I can't even imagine the frustration I would feel were I seriously ill and my doctor treated me with that much contempt. Health care costs keep rising, doctors keep leaving the high litigation states, and the ones who are left don't listen to (or even seem to care about) their patients... This is a serious problem that needs a solution fast.

Re:recent trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924482)

weird, im 22 and had similar problems, and they took my tonsils out at age 12.. but yeah doctors never listen

Yup (1)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924495)

It's just like that movie Requiem for a Dream, where the junky's mother goes to the doctor and he doesn't even look at her and how sick she looks, he just keeps prescribing more and more medication.

I once went to my family doctor over a mild sickness (I think it was exam week or something) and she just told me to drink lots of water and get rest. She also gave me a prescription (my throat was sore) but I never did end up getting it. I felt fine a few days later.

Doctors just seem like highly advancded retail sales clerks, only their customers are sick, and their products are drugs.

Re:recent trend (1)

jarich (733129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924514)

I've noticed that in the last few years (maybe it's just my perspective, I don't know) doctors seem less and less likely to actually listen to their patients.

Find a good doctor and STICK WITH THEM! So many people bounce around from one doctor's practice to another and then (big surprise!) your new doctor doesn't know you, doesn't know your history and doesn't want to waste the time doing either (they know you'll be leaving them for another practice in a few months anyway).

Patrick doesn't seem to have found a good doc yet... but this applies to everyone. I've got a PA (Physician's Assistant) that I've followed when she switched practices. She knows me, my wife, knows our medical history and does a great job.

This goes contrary to the philophy of switching doctors (or car mechanics or hardware store or whatever) if you can save a buck... but it makes life much easier to work with people that you know.

Microsoft Doctors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924599)

I've noticed that in the last few years (maybe it's just my perspective, I don't know) doctors seem less and less likely to actually listen to their patients. I have recurring tonsilitis that I get at least once a year and usually more.

The real reason why they won't treat chronic, or recurring acute tonsilitis with a treatment or surgery that'll fix it for good is because they know it won't kill you (right away) but that you'll keep coming back to them and giving them money again and again and again and again. Why on earth would they want to stop a recurring revenue stream when they can foster an environment and promote a set of circumstances to keep you prisoner to the repetitive cycle? Just like a certain software vendor we all know.

Re:recent trend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924610)

Part of the problem is that there's a lot of people who do crap self-diagnoses. They get a scratch and demand antibiotics, have a cough and are convinced that it's fatal pneumonia. Doctors are basically slowly trained over the course of their careers to ignore people who claim to have done the research and 'know' what they have and 'know' the solution.

So... how do you tell the difference between a hypochrondriac and someone with no apparent symptoms except massive discomfort?

It sucks, but, there's this tendancy to be incredibly afraid of disease and filth in general, and it just leads to superbugs and a lot of false positives, rather than resolving any real threat.

What scares me.. (2, Informative)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924420)

Is that because none of the doctors or hospitals are able to immediately diagnose these problems, they are just sending him away.

Surely they should have him in until they get to the bottom of this! Our NHS may be in pretty rough shape but you if staggered into hospital with some of the symptoms he has been having, he'd be in a bed and getting looked at and wouldn't be allowed to leave until he was fixed up, or at least they had identified the problem and knew how dangerous it was and what they needed to do to fix it!

Scary, really scary. Good luck Patrick.

Scary is right... (2, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924444)

If this is the same NHS that wastes money on novacaine shots for people donating blood, who, after you donate, suggest that you go drink some caffeine, and if you have a non-life-threatening problem (ingrown toenail), you get bumped FOR YEARS waiting for surgery? I was there, I paid for it, I have the NHS card to prove it. And it sucks.

Re:What scares me.. (1)

soops1966 (834209) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924545)

You forget that getting admitted to one of our NHS hospitals means getting rid of the disease you *do* have and replacing it with another, far more virulent - possibly even fatal one.

Get Well (0, Redundant)

m3g4ch3f (834724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924423)

I've only played with Linux for the last 2 years and Slackware has been my favourite distro by far. I sincerely hope that someone can help you. Good luck and get well soon.

RTFM (5, Insightful)

DarthBobo (152187) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924436)

This fucking ridiculous.

If he is as sick as he says, _any_ physician would insist on having him hospitalized and having multiple consultants see him (notably, infectious disease and oncology.) He symptoms suggest a progressive disease that requires agressive intervention - and that doesn't mean trials of expensive antibiotics.

He has either failed to see a primary care physician, or he has refused appropriate treatment and admission to a hospital. In either case, as an educated, intelligent man he has made his own decision. Slashdot should not be contributing to his decline by enabling his poor decisions. He needs to be told flat out by his friends that they are not going to work with him until he agrees to admission and workup at a major teaching hospital (which, by the way, will have access to every antibiotic in the world.)

Sadly... (1)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924509)

Sadly, I think you're right. It just doesn't seem possible that this many doctors could blow him off without introducing the possiblity of an expensive lawsuit. SOMEONE somewhere would have referred him to someplace where they do expensive tests with shiny machines.


Don't bash me for being insensitive, but (-1, Troll)

agraupe (769778) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924439) know, he's really just another person. If I were Death, and I had to choose between him and a child with leukemia, guess which one I'd pick? He's just the face of one of the many distros out there; it's not like the fate of linux is hanging in the balance. I thought the whole point of the F/OSS thing was that everyone had access to the code, thus making something like this less likely to affect anything. Sometimes people die before their time, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Best wishes to him and his family, I do hope he gets better.

Re:Don't bash me for being insensitive, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924498)

yes, but if he doesn't get better, I may have to install Microsoft Windows. /shudder.

Re:Don't bash me for being insensitive, but (1)

rjw57 (532004) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924506)

If I were Death, and I had to choose between him and a child with leukemia, guess which one I'd pick?

The child? Less effort has been spent in sustaining the life so far. Seriously, why would one be 'picked' over another?

Hypochondria (-1, Troll)

dannycim (442761) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924446)

Don't get me wrong, I love Patrick & Slackware but the changelog about his health problems has the word hypochondria written all over it. That is not a small matter, it is still disabiliting and should be diagnosed and treated the right way.

I wish him all the luck in the world.

To Patrick: (1)

SubDude (49782) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924503)

Just so you know, the Linux/Slackware community are sending their collective best most positive thoughts your way.

I have refrained from emailing a 'Get Well' message in case your mbox is getting overwhelmed.

Please get better my friend, we really need you.


YUO FAIL IT.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924504)

networkin6 test. the BSD li3ense, this post up.

The man is still working on updates??? (4, Funny)

hellfire (86129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924515)

The guy has a nasty bacterial infection and is still trying to perform Slackware updates?

I get the flu and I can barely stand to surf the web or chat on IRC! Hopefully, he will live into old age and share this story with his grandkids...

"When I was your age, I was compiling code by hand, with a lung infection, uphill, in the snow! You linux programmers have it easy these days!"

Good luck man, I'm pulling for you.

Try this (-1)

AeiwiMaster (20560) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924553)

I send Patrick a mail last time with some suggestions,
but i did not get a reply, so I don't know if he got it.

My suggestions were
a terminator []

Rife machine [] in the frequency list we find Actinomycosis..... 28, 1, 17, 20, 58

I have since learned about the PAP-IMI []

He needs a teaching hospital (1)

plazman30 (531348) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924560)

What he needs to do is find an infectious disease specialist at a GOOD teaching hospital such as John Hopkins in Baltimore, where some doctor will see the ability to get a good paper published out of his condition. Then he will probably get some serisouly good care because they want to see their name in print.

He needs to let them know that no one can find what is wrong with him and list the which physicians he has seen.

Finding a good doctor is hard. Find a good doctor that listens is even harder...

PubMed (4, Interesting)

jarich (733129) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924590)

Use PubMed as your medical information source. It's where the scientists and docs publish their research and is considering a "real" datasource (as opposed to citing "the internet". Your doctors will know the name Pubmed when you mention it. []

My daughter has a heart condition and we found the doctors weren't interested in really discussing anything until we started using the "right" terminology. The terminology I picked up after reading a number of PubMed publications about my daugher's condition.

I highly suggest that anyone researching any condition (but especially something exotic like Patrick) hit PubMed. Make it your source you cite when talking to your docs. Make it your primary source of information. All the other websites you read are just summing up the papers published here.

Fir5t! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924591)

Getting Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10924608)

If nothing the doctors say will work, maybe he should try seeking alternative health advice that is not from the allopathic mainstream.

Check the forums archives on this site for some advice.

Eric S Raymond (0)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 9 years ago | (#10924612)

I went to the ER immediately.

Sure, Eric S Raymond is a good hacker, but wouldn't it be wiser to go to a hospital?
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