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OpenOffice.org Built with KDE and GNOME Support

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the jack-of-all-guis dept.

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ks writes "Novell hacker Jan Holesovsky has released a build of OOo 1.1.3 that integrates with either KDE or GNOME depending on the environment it's running in. The build features KDE/GNOME look and feel, KDE/GNOME file dialogs and the Crystal icons. If you're running NLD, you have this already." Update: 11/27 18:13 GMT by T : Also on the OpenOffice.org front, the OO.o front page links to this interview with Debian ARM developer Peter Naulls, who has ported the suite to ARM processors. Hint: they're everywhere.

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First Reply| (3, Insightful)

IcarusMoth (631872) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931677)

I think this is a great idea, one of hte reasons I had trouble with OOo in KDE3.X was its lack of smoothness. now if only someone will do the same for Abiword

Re:First Reply| (2, Funny)

IcarusMoth (631872) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931707)

on second thought, what with me being a Computer Science major, and can do it myself! If only I had more modivation... maybe after July or so.

Re:First Reply| (-1, Offtopic)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931729)

on second thought, what with me being a Computer Science major, and can do it myself! If only I had more modivation... maybe after July or so.

I'd like some "modivation" as well

Re:First Reply| (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931743)

Ye shall not mod thy brother's post.

Re:First Reply| (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931738)

I suggest you take some English classes first.

Re:First Reply| (2, Funny)

irokitt (663593) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931788)

So, you're busy playing Half-Life too?

Re:First Reply| (1)

the_truk_stop (448393) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931927)

So, you're busy playing Half-Life too?

I think it's Half-Life Two... ;)

Re:First Reply| (0, Offtopic)

320mb (590888) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931725)

ya Redundant...........who cares what you think.........just go back to justlinux and stay there...........jerk

Re:First Reply| (4, Informative)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931728)

You could always use something like MetaTheme, or an equivalent (check kde-look.org), to have GTK widgets drawn with QT. Seems like a convoluted solution, but it really works quite well.

Re:First Reply| (2, Interesting)

mini me (132455) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931798)

Seems like a convoluted solution, but it really works quite well.

In fact, on my machine at least, the Qt GTK+ theme is faster than the native GTK+ themes. The only problem is that it's still a bit buggy.

Re:First Reply| (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931989)

Drawing GTK widgets with QT is like signing your name utilizing a laser, mounted on a satellite in orbit.

OpenOffice.org Built with KDE and GNOME Support (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931679)

OpenOffice.org Built with KDE and GNOME Support

phyrst psot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931683)

finally

I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (4, Informative)

Megaweapon (25185) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931685)

This should help with either GNOME or KDE adoption in office environments since the user interface looks more streamlined.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Interesting)

rppp01 (236599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931703)

I am actually going to be doing a presentation on how you can use linux as a workstation/desktop in a work environment. I am choosing OOffice as the office suite. I am glad to see it integrates with both environments.

How does it support things like ppt, doc and xls files? I really wanna impress who I am showing this to.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931795)

How does it support things like ppt, doc and xls files?

Rather well. I've read success stories of OO.o flawlessly opening corrupted .doc files that crash Microsoft Word.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Informative)

reverius (471142) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931851)

It does indeed open corrupted .doc files that crash Word... I did it once at work, to the amazement of everyone present (myself included). However, it did lose a bit of the formatting. Nothing that 5 minutes of dragging pictures around couldn't fix, though.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931928)

i think the reason it will open corupted .doc files is because of the "formating". OO.o will ignore formating options it cannot recognize or perform were office will continuously try to open it (hence the crash). Without the expectations of OO.o having some dificulties, this probably wouldn't have ever been possible.

It was probably formatting problems that caused it to crash/corupt in the first place. The loss is probably what saved the file :)

Open Office: your MS Office document repair kit. (4, Informative)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931946)

It also removes macros. Sometimes it is a pain, because those macros are needed in an MS Office document, particularly in Excel. But if those macros are either corrupt or infected with a Macro Virus, losing the macros is actually A Good Thing. (tm)

Last year, the All Tomorrow's Parties music festival sent the band Saccharine Trust an elaborate Excel spreadsheet which provided an overview of the schedule for the entire weekend's performances at Camber Sands in the UK.

Joe Baiza had Office 98 for Mac running on his iMac. No joy opening the spreadsheet. He then sent the spreadsheet to Chris Stein, the band's bassist, (No, not the Blondie guitarist! Same name, different guy...) who tried to open it in Office XP. Again, no joy.

I get the spreadsheet sent to me. I open it in OO.o. Success! I saved the document first as an OO.o native format file, then resaved the native OO.o file as an .XLS. I sent it back to Joe and Chris, and voila! They could open it too!

I'll have you know that NOTHING got screwed up in the formatting. Maybe a few weird calculations used by the ATP folks got messed up, but the guys in ST didn't need them. All they needed was the time that ST needed to go on, and also the times for some of the other bands on the schedule the guys wanted to see. OO.o rules.

Re:Open Office: your MS Office document repair kit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10932029)

I hope you then explained to the band members why you were able to open the file.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (1, Insightful)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931850)

It sounds like you need to do some research.

You've already picked OO.o, and you don't even know how it performs. What happens when they go with your ideas and switch from MS to Linux and you don't know how to support what you've suggested? They won't be impressed.

Not to be a troll, but stuff like this will only hurt adoptin of Linux. You tell them Linux is the best thing since sliced bread, they have you show them, they switch, stuff breaks, and you can't fix it. In the PHB's mind, you and Linux suck. So they go back to MS and never try Linux again.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Insightful)

rppp01 (236599) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931900)

You are right. And I do. And I am getting started on it.

I've used it in the past, and found file support spotty. It is powerful in its own right.

But thanks for the 'wake up'. Nice to know the community cares enough to ensure the very best. And I mean that.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931958)

Nice to see a mature non-flaming response for once. Best of luck with your research.

OpenOffice is very near to a 2.0 release. You might want to check out the latest builds from the 2.0 stream to get an idea of what is "coming soon": http://download.openoffice.org/680/index.html. The RPMs you can get from that snapshot can be installed on the same system alongside an OOo 1.1 release. I'd suggest sticking to the released version for the actual demo though! Good luck.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (1)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932012)

Yeah, imagine if everyone here actually shared knowledge and tried to help eachother. Nice suggestion on trying the 2.0 stream. I haven't played with 2.0-pre on Linux, but the last snapshot I built actually runs pretty well on FreeBSD, so it'll probably run as well or better on Linux. :/

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Insightful)

someonehasmyname (465543) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931977)

Thanks. Like I said, I wasn't trying to troll.

It just sounded like you were the most Linux-savvy person at work, and if they decide to make the switch you'd better be ready. Switching to Linux is beneficial, but never easy. Everyone in the office will be asking you questions ALL day. If you don't know your distro of choice inside out as well as gnome or kde and all the dependency issues, advocating Linux isn't the best idea.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Informative)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931913)

How does it support things like ppt, doc and xls files?

everything is great except for video in presentation. It works somehow [debian.org] , but does not even correctly open .ppt [debian.org] with video inside, though.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931987)

Also mention MS activation and how you can't just copy office to your home PC anymore, even though you arent using both. Sure to those of us who know licensing this is an accepted practice, but to Joe User this could very well be seen as a pain or MS being too aggressive.

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10932007)

Well, first of all, forget your macros; if your organization already has Word or Excel "applications" written in VBA, it will need to rewrite them to work with OO or develop them into real, cross-platform applications (web-based comes to mind). Don't underestimate the impact of this issue! Incredible things can be done with Word and Excel using the scripting built into it, especially when you get into integrating it with external systems (like printing invoices with information retrieved from a billing system). You may lose half of your audience right there if they are currently knowledgeable Office users.

After you get past that, the compatibility is hit-or-miss. Complex formatting, embedded content such as spreadsheets, and other issues make it hard to guarantee interoperability. I am careful to avoid doing things with documents I share that may make them difficult to work with, but managers and even secretaries can be expected to play with documents in a way that makes them only work in Office.

In short, the idea that Linux and OO is suitable for a work environment where Windows and Office is currently used is difficult to justify. OO is far slower, far less flexible, and will cost all but the smallest companies a fortune to re-train users. I use OO as well as Office and while I like the idea of OO (and I especially like to use it to export to PDF), it is a clunky package when directly compared to Office. Combined with modern Linux desktop systems that trade usability and performance for the sake of "proper" programming techniques, OO provides a dog-slow working environment that you will regret recommending.

I work with some small businesses that have historically balked at paying for software licensing, but the owners prefer to knowingly illegally license Windows/Office than use something else that they are unfamiliar with. However, if they had no predisposed aversion to something other than Office, these particular businesses may be able to get away with OO because they don't do anything complex that requires VBA or a particularly high level of integration. It all comes down to knowing your audience and knowing all of the limitations of the software you are advocating beforehand.

Finally, if you add filetype:doc or filetype:xls or filetype:ppt to a Google search, you can search for files of those formats. Try opening business-oriented documents found with those searches with both Office and OO and see what you find!

Re:I've seen it in action, it's pretty sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931859)

Considering most Gnome 1.x users now run XFCE4 this may just be what's needed for the Gnome project to justify it's existance as a viable desktop; they were targeting clueless users with GConf. Careful what you wish for I say.

NLD? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931689)

wtf is NLD?

Re:NLD? (1, Informative)

sloanster (213766) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931714)

Novell Linux desktop

Re:NLD? (1, Informative)

crazy blade (519548) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931717)

Novell Linux Desktop. http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/

Nonverbal Learning Disorder (-1, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931775)

Have a clue [google.com] . Here, take two, they're free: rather than spend the time posting a question that you can easily answer yourself with Google, use Google. It will inform you, save the time of the rest of us posting, save you the posting time, and help rehabilitate your lazy mind that demands to be served by others who do their own thinking, just so you can be buzzword compliant.

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (1)

Janek Kozicki (722688) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931818)

your sig always puts a smile on my face ;)

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (2, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931882)

Thanks, it has evolved to its current syntax after a few constructive criticisms from other, nearly-satisfied Slashdotters. Open source .sigs!

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931821)

Yeah, God forbid that someone should use three self explanatory words rather than an obscure acronym that has to be found by searching Google !

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931853)

What do you expect? Novell is a USA company... whole bloody country is an acronym!

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (0, Flamebait)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931867)

"News for Nerds". "obscure acronym that has to be found by searching Google". Who's out of line, AC?

Re:Nonverbal Learning Disorder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931897)

Yeah, God forbid that someone should use three self explanatory words rather than an obscure acronym that has to be found by searching Google !

You must be new here. Welcome to Slashdot!

I know; -1, Tired Joke

Finally, a useful clue. Thanks (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931823)

Have a clue (link to Google results for nld gnome kde openoffice.org)

Thanks for putting an actual query in your clue; it looks a lot more useful than the much-less-useful link to Google's front page that some whiners supply, and it demonstrates techniques useful to others learning to search.

Re:Finally, a useful clue. Thanks (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931961)

Thanks - I swing the cluestick wildly sometimes, and sometimes I get a line drive :). I also like whining about simple math quirks [google.com] with Google.

^n^l ^l^c -^v is a nifty riff that I'd love to macro into a pair of Mozilla hotkeys. If Slashdot form fields had hotkey "tabstops", I'd be Web Ruth.

FP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931690)

n+1th POST!!! irc.chatnplay.net #miket

Mirrordot Link (2, Informative)

b0lt (729408) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931700)

here [mirrordot.org]

My my my... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931722)

Why would anyone give 2 shits about this? If I install Office on my XP laptop, it knows what environment I'm in without even having to check and the LAF is already set. I can't believe anyone would waste their time writing code for an obviously inferior tool that relatively few (alleged) people would use. Jan, like so many of the slashdot groupthink, needs to get a life or at least an XP laptop.

Re:My my my... (3, Insightful)

l3v1 (787564) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931751)

writing code for an obviously inferior tool that relatively few (alleged) people would use. Jan, like so many of the slashdot groupthink, needs to get a life or at least an XP laptop

Another flameish troll BS-writing anonymous. Since you already saw and followed your light to the end of the tunnel, why don't you let us poor stupid others find our own ?

Your one pointed to an XP laptop with MS's Office. Thank God, this is not the only way.

Just pack your ignorance and get yourself lost.

As for KDE/GNOME integration of OO.org: I welcome it enthusiastically. Every step to make it slinker, better, faster, more = a good step.

Re:My my my... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931768)

You would. Idiot. What are you? Some 40 year old stallmanesque virgin living in your parent's basement? I can see you know: "I'm using LUNIX today because Linus Torvalds is an intellectual sophisticate and I am asserting my better-than-youness by using it...". Go outside and get some sun.

Re:My my my... (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931789)

Just ignore them and they go away (eventually). It's not like anyone has to read people modded down to -1 anyway.

Re:My my my... (1)

justsomebody (525308) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931769)

Not really. Whole talk here is about DE consistancy.

OO.o uses its own widget set. Except that in Windows OO.o uses M$ API in *X it uses X11. Now OO.o widget sets are taking its ground on underlaying DE insted of X11.

XP laptop??? Been there, never again. And "never" is a definitive term in this case.

p.s. if you were meaning M$ Office. Yeah right. Just look at the consistancy of XP and Office 2003. It looks like mad cows piloting the space shuttle under water. No consistancy at all.

Re:My my my... (3, Insightful)

The Cisco Kid (31490) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931786)

God forbid that people might actually have some choices. Personally I dont use MS Office (or any other MS software or platforms), *OR* OpenOffice, because

1. The entire concept of a 'Word Processor' is stupid - http://www.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html

2. If I need a database, I'll use Mysql (Or PostgresSQL, etc)

3. On the (rare) occasion that I need to arrange numbers in a table, I use Gnumeric.

And what frontend? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931881)

If I need a database, I'll use Mysql (Or PostgresSQL, etc)

And what frontend? The point of database software is that they provide graphical tools for generating forms and reports, which use MySQL, PostgreSQL, Jet, etc. as backends.

Re:My my my... (4, Insightful)

Mr. McGibby (41471) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931957)

The "word processor is stupid" idea is narrow minded. True, for certain classes of documents, TeX is a better way to do things. But isn't perfect either. The referenced article talks about the two phases of preparing documents, composition and typesetting. Composition is about the words and typesetting is about the "look" of the document. The problem is that TeX is horrible at the second step. True, it makes great looking documents "out of the box", but if I decide that the default look isn't what I want, then it is far too difficult to change it. Where is the tool that allows me to change the format as I like? Every TeX article I read basically says, "If you don't like it, you're wrong." Certainly not a very user-friendly attitude to have.

The other problem is that many word processors are very useful for those cases when the text composition isn't really important, but formatting is the key point, like a sign for my garage sale. Have you ever tried do something like that in TeX?

Don't get me wrong, I use LaTeX all the time, but only for very specific types of documents. It just doesn't work for the majority of stuff that I need to do.

NLD (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931748)

I just started playing with the Novell Linux Desktop and it looks really nice. After having Novell removed for Windows AD at work, it was nice to see the big N on a screen again. ;)

It's basically Suse with some tweaks, but it's got a very professional look and feel about it with everything nicely integrated.

Article Text (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931750)

OpenOffice.org [openoffice.org] 1.1.3 with KDE integration [openoffice.org] is now available for download. It also features a lot of other improvements over the stock OOo (including the GNOME integration bits; but do not be afraid, it does not link against Gtk+ in KDE, and vice versa), because it is built from the ooo-build [ximian.com] codebase.

Download: Installation set for Linux i386 [kde.org] (~80MB).

Features:

  • The current stable version of OpenOffice.org with many ooo-build patches and improvements
  • KDE Native Widget Framework
  • KDE (Crystal) icons
  • KDE file dialog (Open, Save As)
  • KDE splash screen by Dariusz Arciszewski
  • Gtk+ NWF and file dialog when executed in Gnome

Known problems:

  • You need libstartup-notification installed, otherwise it fails to run with "no suitable windowing system found, exiting."
  • The KDE file dialog seems to hang OOo on Fedora Core 3 when it has Preview on (F11 in the dialog), but most probably it is a Fedora bug (treats unrecognized file types as sound).
  • The new systems that build their packages from ooo-build (e.g. SUSE 9.2) do not need this package; check whether you have the KDE file dialog in your OOo before installing.

The project's homepage http://kde.openoffice.org [openoffice.org] is a bit outdated at the moment, but the work still continues. The main concern is OOo 2.0 now, see the ooo-build ChangeLog [ximian.com] . Help of an artist is needed for OOo 2.0: It contains a lot of new icons, the default ones are not acceptable for modern KDE desktop. Please drop me a mail [slashdot.org] if you are able (and willing) to draw some of them. :-)

n-tierety (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931753)

This is a great move, generating momentum towards a real superior Linux desktop architecture. Any well designed app should be split into Data, Business and Presentation layers, independent/interdependent of one another across a clear, well defined API. This new build can be optimized by another programmer to actually separate the Business (OO.o) and Presentation (KDE/GNOME) layers, because the source is open. Refactor OO.o as an object that can run separate from its UI, and all its features are available to *any* calling program, reusable without having to write spellcheckers again, or text edit panels, or .DOC readers. In fact, the next great move will be to refactor the OO.o data layer, so it can run not only on any FS, like ext3, ReiserFS, SMB, NFS, but interchangeably across networks as straight sockets, or SQL DB tables, or RDF streams, or any data source that's adapted to the data API. Let's get it on!

Re:n-tierety (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931870)

This article is another load of hype from over eager KDE users. Open Office gets KDE support!!!!

Ximian and Novell (and tellingly, the OO devs themselves) are, and have been, working on proper integration between GNOME and OO. KDE is getting a cursory icon theme/file dialog patch. And yet, this article is virtually all spooging over KDE. Good grief! I know why I use GNOME... less over-excited fanboys. Just better software and better software engineering.

Re:n-tierety (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931895)

GNOME and KDE both suck, childish politics, bloat and overly complex frameworks. Use XFCE, fluxbox or IceWM and reclaim your desktop.

Re:n-tierety (0, Offtopic)

cmbofh (538916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931931)

> Just better software and better software engineering.

Now here's where it gets ridiculous.

Well. A GNOME fanboy complaining about alleged fanboys.

Re:n-tierety (2, Interesting)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932042)

Well, KDE integration is less important, since KDE has a proper office suite of its own. As far as I can see, "gnome office" consists of Abiword and Gnumeric pretending they're an office suite.

Re:n-tierety (1)

nbvb (32836) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931904)

One word: OpenDoc.

Been there, done that. Got burned.

Re:n-tierety (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932006)

You don't like applications to have 3-tier architecture with IPC APIs? You must have been burned pretty bad - maybe you even worked at Taligent while I was over at Apple. After we switched the APW to C++, we all thought we'd never rewrite "EditableTextPane" again. But we were naive enough about sharing source with strangers that we didn't realize that once the source is open to the public, we need it to come with human-readable docs to reuse it. That's why the API is so important. As are practical conventions, like the 3 tiers, rather than a freeform n-tier model where the APIs are never split consistently enough to fit together completely. Especially with web services and OO.o, we've got another chance to do this extremely important pattern right, or screw ourselves again for yet another decade.

Does anyone know (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931757)

Does anyone know if this is going to be integrated back into the OOo trunk?

Running NLD (3, Interesting)

owlstead (636356) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931778)

What if I'm running it _in_ NLD? 'Cause I'm there already.

This is a good thing. One of the reasons that Java never took off from the desktop was that it didn't integrate with the native GUI. Nice to see OpenOffice not making the same mistake.

Too many linux applications still have horrible, unusable file selectors. It will never take off as long as such monstrosities are present everywhere.

This is one of the reasons why Windows is used by so many people. They do provide a more or less monotone interface. Even if the interface is horrible (like personalized menu's) it's horrible all over the place.

Re:Running NLD (2, Informative)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932032)

So what what you're saying is: rather than be nice sometimes and nasty at others, it's better to be consistently nasty. And that's true, from the perspective of a user who just wants to be able to figure something out once, get used to it, and not have to keep re-figuring it out every time he loads a different application. Microsoft has their Common Controls libraries for things like file and print selectors: they aren't an optimal solution in my opinion but they work, people are familiar with them, and I will generally use them for that reason.

Is this the real thing? (0)

Qwavel (733416) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931784)


Does this actually use GTK and Qt? Or is it just simulating them?

If it actually uses them then that would be great! Otherwise I'll take a pass.

Re:Is this the real thing? (3, Informative)

th3w4y (834992) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931822)

it is using those... NO simulation

Re:Is this the real thing? (1)

archen (447353) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931933)

That should open up a lot of possibilities in KDE by using dcop then. I'm certainly looking forward to that! I wonder if this will improve loading times as well.

Re:Is this the real thing? (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931985)

The Way is wrong. It's simulating with OOo Native Widget Framework but it gets the filedialogs from GTK/KDE libs. Might be different with OOo 2.0.

Re:Is this the real thing? yes (1)

rdieter (112462) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931907)


Does this actually use GTK and Qt?


Well, it uses GTK and KDELIBS if that's what you mean.

Re:Is this the real thing? (1)

maw (25860) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931949)

I can't speak to qt, but it actually uses gtk in places, such as in the file-chooser mentioned above. However, most of the widgets are still simulated; they follow the gtk theme well, but they feel different. Of course, themes never change an application's feel.

The old openoffice file chooser was terrible, though; having the nice new gtk file chooser is really cool.

Why OpenOffice is important (3, Informative)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931799)

Microsoft has essentially turned into a replacement parts business for Windows and Office - adoption of new PCs at home and at work has normalized, new business is flat. Many of their new ventures are flat, ROI negative, or true money losers.

Having a drop-in replacement for Office is critical to attacking their core replacement parts business.

Kudos by the way to AbiWord and Gnumeric, two excellent programs that are native GNOME apps today.

Re:Why OpenOffice is important (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931942)

The problem is that Microsoft's file formats were ever allowed to become "standard" to begin with. I've yet to see a B2B MSWord document that couldn't be sent as text, the same user ignorance that sees procmail rejecting html emails to the bit-bucket all over the world. Abiword is a GTK app, it can thankfully be built without GNOME. Not sure about Gnumeric because I use sc.

slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931802)

dot.kde is slashdotted to become dot/.kde

Aqua on Mac OS X (4, Interesting)

HeelToe (615905) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931807)

Oh please, let's do this for Mac OS X!

Still not native GNOME or KDE (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931812)

Now some requesters changed and some icons chanced as well. How about porting it throughly that is getting rid of the old Toolkit that OOo still depends on. Right now these efforts look more like cheap patchwork than real solution.

The old OOo was build upon it's own Framework and Toolkit. Now with adding KDE and GNOME support to it developers have add another overkill and resource eater to OOo making it bulkier and bloddier than before.

OOo native KDE or GNOME is the right solution but this should be done untils it is done and then being announced.

Re:Still not native GNOME or KDE (1)

cmbofh (538916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931969)

I take it you're volunteering to *rewrite* OOo *twice*, using GNOME and KDE technologies? Let me know when you've finished.

Re:Still not native GNOME or KDE (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932070)

That shouldn't be necessary. Just rewrite some of it so that it has a proper backend and frontend like xine. Then we can write a gnome and kde frontend without so much effort, like totem and kaffeine.

And yes, I am willing to do it myself if no-one else will. But if that's what you want, expect a full port of OOo 1.3 some time in 2008. Seriously, is anyone organising a project anything like this? Because I will join and submit anything I can.

Re:Still not native GNOME or KDE (1)

twener (603089) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932055)

There will be never a native GNOME OOo or KDE OOo - but better integration possibilities are being worked on for OOo 2.0.

Re:Still not native GNOME or KDE (2, Interesting)

cmbofh (538916) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932073)

Let me add:
If you really want a native office suite then I think that KDE + KOffice is the most integrated, complete and promising for the future. Although I think it's not there yet, especially the MS format filters of OOo are still more usable in the real world (and no, using the OOo filters in KOffice is not an option, that has been discussed over and over again).

Only KDE icons (2, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931813)

In the link provided, only KDE icons are provided, though GTK+ is used when run in GNOME, and you need the NLD version for the full GNOME look. So the best bet for GNOME-only using folk like me is still the build tool itself [ximian.com] .

hmm... (1)

Pivot (4465) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931830)

Does this mean I can now get openoffice with JFC/swing widgets instead, to get an all java desktop??

What about Qt on MacOS X, then? (3, Insightful)

rxmd (205533) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931831)

If OpenOffice can be built with KDE support, does it use Qt for the frontend under KDE?

Why not use Qt/Aqua on MacOS X instead of the incredibly clumsy X11 interface, then?

Features of interest... (1)

Preston Pfarner (14687) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931839)

So, now that they're concentrating so much effort on the look and feel it must be really solid on the core functionality, like opening a simple MSWord file, making a simple text edit, and saving it back to the same format (so you can return it to the MS person who sent it to you).

This document may contain attributes and information that cannot be saved Microsoft Word 97/2000/XP. Do you want to save your changes using the OpenOffice.org 1.0 Text Document format?

Argh! Great, keep unifying with desktops, but it's still pretty restricted in its ability to interoperate with an existing base of Windows office users. (or at least give a hint as to what "attributes and information" are causing trouble so people can avoid using them)

Re:Features of interest... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931939)

*may*
It looks to be a catchall CYA prompt
Word itself would be wise to prompt with such a message.

"You are using Microsoft Word XP, This document contains attributes and information that will render it a hideous piece of shit if opened on earlier version of Word, if it can even be opened."

Continue with save ?"
"YES", "No", "Cancel"

YAWN! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931840)

WTF? Does this bit of "news" actually mean anything to anybody??

Window Managers (5, Funny)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931891)

I just began developing an GUI-based application for KDE/Gnome, my major obstacle being the window "managers". It goes something like this:

Developer: OK, put this window here.
KDE/Kwin: Actually it's better over here.
Developer: No! I'll need that space later for another window.
Gnome/MetaCity: I know, I know! How about here?
Developer: Christ! No not there either.
Developer: OK, how about you both put it here? that makes sense.
KDE/Kwin: That's great, but I'll just shift up a bit, and flip your directions horizontally.
Gnome/MetaCity: Ignore KDE, it's perfect! But I think it would be even more perfect over here.
Developer: Jesus Christ!

It's usually possible to get what you want, but often involves hacks, redundant code, and forking.

I realise this is intentional and in the interests of usability and consistency, but more often than not the it's counter productive to the cause, since frequently a human knows better than a computer when it comes to usability.

Re:Window Managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10931986)

I realise this is intentional and in the interests of usability and consistency, but more often than not the it's counter productive to the cause, since frequently a human knows better than a computer when it comes to usability.

You're right: a human (the user) knows better than a computer (specifically your program) what he wants. I want my window manager to ignore your application's requests to stick stuff where you want, and instead put things in a useful location for my use of the program.

Re:Window Managers (1)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932008)

You're right: a human (the user) knows better than a computer (specifically your program) what he wants. I want my window manager to ignore your application's requests to stick stuff where you want, and instead put things in a useful location for my use of the program.

I don't disagree with you; you can put the windows where ever you like, but I want to be a able to reliably position them for their initial state, after that you can move them anywhere you like.

Re:Window Managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10932011)

Ignore the bloat and just use the widget libraries. Clued in people only run them out of morbid fascination, there are better desktops for doing actual work.

Mac OSX KDE build? (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931910)

The OSX ports of OOo have always had difficulties due to the limited number of developers available. Since KDE and GNOME already run under OSX - parts of the former natively without X11 - could this be a porting short-cut to a fully functional OSX build?

What about Suse 9.2? (1)

ChiralSoftware (743411) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931966)

I have installed Suse 9.2, and the OOo 1.1.3 looks pretty standard on it. I assume the next Suse is going to come with this? Is there an easy way to install this new OOo in Suse 9.2 without breaking everything? This is something Linux needs, badly. OOo is a great system but obviously it's not well integrated with the rest of KDE. If they can really get it integrated with KDE it will be a major step forward for the Linux Desktop.

Re:What about Suse 9.2? (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932000)

Suse 9.2 should have it too. If you try to open a file and you see the KDE file dialog you know you have it whatever distribution you're running.

OO.o on the ARM? (2, Funny)

jx100 (453615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931980)

woohoo! OpenOffice DS!

Just wait a few more months... (2, Insightful)

Atmchicago (555403) | more than 9 years ago | (#10931988)

Although I applaud the move, this will be somewhat outdone in a few months when openoffice 2.0 is released. 2.0 will support better native integration anyway, including look-and-feel.

Here's what I want! (2, Interesting)

erroneus (253617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932036)

FC2/FC3 RPM packages.

That's all. On one hand, I like the way RPM works and what it does for the user. On the other hand, I can never seem to get the most up-to-date packages. It's terribly unfortunate and is always a balancing act between installing from tarball and maintaining RPM integrity. I suspect there are ways of handling it better and further that someone might even volunteer these better ways right here in response to this.

But if someone out there loves to build useful RPMs and has already built RPMS suitable for FC2 and/or FC3, please let me know where they are! I know I can't be the only one wanting them.

Re:Here's what I want! (1)

twener (603089) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932071)

Fedora Core 3 ships with KDE and GNOME integrated OpenOffice.org 1.1.2.

What about OS X? (5, Interesting)

ciurana (2603) | more than 9 years ago | (#10932039)

Disclaimer: I'm an OOo advocate, as you can see from this Computerworld article (http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/softw are/apps/story/0,10801,92195,00.html?SKC=software- 92195 [computerworld.com] ) that I published last Spring.

I used OOo since the days of StarOffice. I managed to write two books, many presentations, spreadsheets, and countless business documents in it. OOo is probably one of the best office applications and it's cross-platform.

I had quasi undying loyalty to OOo until I decided to go to OS X. While the feature set is almost identical to other versions of OOo, the GUI is one of the ugliest. OOo also lacks compatibility with Exchange servers, which I'm forced to use for work (yuck!). For these two reasons, I had to cave in and return to Office:Mac.

The efforts to tightly couple OOo with KDE or Gnome are important and interesting but far from the marketing win that OOo needs. An OOo version that supports the native OS X look and feel would probably win lots of support from Apple's user base because it would be, in most cases, a drop-in, free replacement for Office:Mac.

I interact now with quite a few Mac users on regular basis; most, if not all, would love to ditch Office:Mac in favour of OOo if the GUI and other system integration issues were resolved. I believe that an OS X/Aqua version of OOo is more strategically important than one for Gnome or KDE because it would generate instant press outside the early-adopter, Linux world.

A strategic marketing win could result in additional funding/participation/donations to OOo to carry on with other projects that, although important, lack the visibility that the Mac has or could bring to OOo.

Cheers,

Eugene
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