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Hacking The DS's Wireless

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the limited-but-so-what dept.

Hardware Hacking 173

xNoLaNx writes "Darkain, maker of the remote control program for Winamp, RM-X, has been working day and night hacking the Nintendo DS and its wireless, and making a custom USB power connection for it. He has been able to monitor packets over 802.11b coming from PictoChat and more."

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Wow, monitoring packets (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939231)

That's impressive. No, really, it is. I'm not being sarcastic at all.

+5 mod up informative (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939270)

n/t

Re:Wow, monitoring packets (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939480)

Are you sure? Because you sound pretty sarcastic to me...

control is bad (1)

Hot Summer Nights (771962) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939232)

remote control is worse.

Clue for the clueless? (5, Informative)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939233)

I remember when I was playing King Quest in 80's, when the king has to go to this wizard place to learn some magic. I had to resort to opening up the binary files and read some command lines to know what to do and what to pick up. I didn't have too much luck with Police Quest though, since it's more of an action-based game :)

So now with these decoded Mario64 packets, we know to wait for yoshi in the middle of kira spa, room 1?

Other than that, I don't know what is the use of these decoded packets.

The USB power cable is cool, if not for the fact that we already can buy USB-powered XMas tree, desk fan and whatnot.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (4, Interesting)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939256)

I'm just glad someone is working on the DS wireless, I want some damn documentation on how it works so I can code for the thing without an expensive devkit (I know sniffing packets isnt gonna do much, but its a start)

Re:Clue for the clueless? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939303)

Samba was created by only "sniffing packets."

Re:Clue for the clueless? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939327)

wrong, they got a sponsorship from microsoft research labs. they wanted to know just how stupid microsoft development engineers really have been back when they designed the protocol.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (2, Funny)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939269)

Well, once we get the Pictochat protocol down we can sniff people's vapid IM conversations. Plus, the DS supports multi-boot so eventually we might be able to force game code onto it.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (5, Interesting)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939294)

Why just game code? Someone should trick the thing into using it's wifi to connect to the internet. IIRC the thing has a small mic and speakers, so someone could add Skype or some other VoIP program on it

Re:Clue for the clueless? (4, Insightful)

Traa (158207) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939313)

Cool! It would be just like a cellphone! Except it would be really expensive, not have a good form factor for this type of use. And now you can't even play games on it. ;-)

Re:Clue for the clueless? (1)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939323)

No, you would still be able to play games on it, just put the program on one of the game-cards and stick it in when you want to use it. (I never said it would be easy, but figure a few thousand people paying 30-40 bucks each might make it profitable.)

Re:Clue for the clueless? (5, Funny)

unixbob (523657) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939344)

That would make it an N-Gage then?

Re:Minus Phone Plan (1)

xtermin8 (719661) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939554)

Buying a subscription kinda turned me off from Nokia, especially since its adds significantly to the price.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (1)

xsupergr0verx (758121) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940070)

Not a chance, there are games worth playing on the DS!

Re:Clue for the clueless? (3, Funny)

Mechanik (104328) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939357)

Cool! It would be just like a cellphone! Except it would be really expensive, not have a good form factor for this type of use. And now you can't even play games on it. ;-)

You mean like the N-Gage?

Re:Clue for the clueless? (3, Interesting)

zallus (714582) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939283)

Picture someone with Mario64DS playing with someone on a laptop with Mario64DS in an emulator, or with a specially written bot. Really, as a rule, once protocols in use in PCs get involved in gaming, interesting things become possible.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939849)

It's kinda hard to emulate a touch screen.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939917)

Luckily, I have this sophisticated peripheral called a 'mouse'.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (2, Insightful)

tuffy (10202) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939929)

It's kinda hard to emulate a touch screen.

A mouse would suffice for that. That'll require the rest of the DS' controls to be shifted to the keyboard, which isn't ideal but should be enough to make it playable.

Re:Clue for the clueless? (1)

Skrekkur (739061) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939290)

Well it would be nice to net boot to Linux through the wireless ;) No computer,console or car is safe from *nix oss

Re:Clue for the clueless? (-1, Offtopic)

sid007 (835282) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939476)

Anyways, about WinAMP. That company 'died' when AOL bought them out

more free games (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939234)

kekekeke

Re:more free games (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939271)


Goddammit, WHAT does that mean? I keep seeing it all over the place and the only thing that I've been able to figure out is that "kekekeke" has to be Finnish for "I am an internet nerd who never leaves my parents' basement and spanks it to hentai."

Seriously. What the hell is it?

Re:more free games (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939284)

Look it up [urbandictionary.com]

Re:more free games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939334)

urbandictionary.com hasn't got much credibility with people who don't spend all their time in their parents' basement spanking it to hentai, so I consider the original poster's definition more likely.

Re:more free games (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939414)

that urban dictionary entry is woefully incomplete.

"kekeke" is from Korea. It's their version of "hahaha" when they have to type in roman characters. I have no idea why they use "ke", maybe they're all smokers so they all have emphysema and it sounds like coughing when a Korean laughs.

"kekeke" is generally considered to be highly annoying and means "I'm a stupid fucking Korean who should be shot to death and I think something is funny" or "I'm making fun of those Koreans."

You may be thinking this sounds racist, but it's not-the many normal, nice, well-adjusted Koreans I've met are much less likely to use kekeke. When not typing in Korean characters they'll usually use h instead of k like all people who deserve to live. Of course there's exceptions for jokes. It's kind of like l337 speak.

"kekeke GOGOGO potal give itam" = "I'm from Korea, something is funny, you're a gay nigger, and I want to steal your stuff"
"hehehe ^___^;; okay~~~" = "I'm from Korea, something is funny, I like cute things, and I'm probably friendly but insane"
"hehehe ^___^;; hello~~ u live near me!!!~" = "I'm from Korea but close enough to meet, and I'm probably a cute, sweet girl, so if you don't mind insane hyperactive hello kitty obsessions, I'd make a good girlfriend"
"hi I'm Korean" = "I'm from Korea, and I'm a normal, sane human being"

In summary, yes, it does mean "I am an internet nerd who never leaves my parents' basement and spanks it to hentai." but in Korean rather than Finnish.

Re:more free games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939493)


Thank you so *very* much. One more of life's mysteries laid to rest. Now if I can just figure out why people think Paris Hilton is attractive...

Re:more free games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939539)

She's attractive for the same reason she's famous: only because people say she is.

I WANT TO PUT MY PEE PEE IN YOUR POO POO HOLE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939235)

i want to put my pee pee in your poo poo hole

Re:I WANT TO PUT MY PEE PEE IN YOUR POO POO HOLE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939264)

you are late my friend

Future Possibilities (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939249)

Imagine sooner or later, with the right development one could load up ethereal on their DS and start monitoring the local wifi connection.
This game system could turn into a neat little surveilance device.

Re:Future Possibilities (1)

topgun601 (832042) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939413)

what we need is a nice little app that dose wep craking for it.

Re:Future Possibilities (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940223)

How big's the dataset for WEP cracking? I mean, I'm not sure how much RAM is in those things (I hear it's 4 megs) but you'd need quite a few packets to break WEP.

Feel the Magic (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939260)

I gotta say that the DS is way more fun than I expected, and Feel the Magic puts a grin on my face like few others have in the past few years. This system seems like it has a great future ahead of it, and online capabilities (true online, not just wireless multiplayer) are going to put it over the edge!

Re:Feel the Magic (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939292)

OMFG, do what get anything else than advertisements on slashdot these days?!!

pictochat/im? (4, Interesting)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939285)

So... will I be able to participate in a pictochat with my cousins' DS, while I use my powerbook?

Re:pictochat/im? (-1, Troll)

aardvarko (185108) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939306)

Will we be able to fly rocket cars to the moon someday? Are we going to be able to live under the ocean? Is there going to be a spaceship to Mars? In the future, will my cereal glow in the dark when milk hits it??? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Mommy, I really have to pee!

Re:pictochat/im? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939508)

Will we be able to fly rocket cars to the moon someday?
Depends on your definition of cars. If you mean space shuttles for the general public it's inevitable but may take a few decades, if you mean a ground road drivable vehicle that can also take you to the moon, that would never pass emissions and gas mileage regulations.

Are we going to be able to live under the ocean?
Yes. We already can, but nobody wants to. Go watch Sealab 2021 if you want to find out why. (if you mean as mutant fishmen with gills, you want the character Sharko)

Is there going to be a spaceship to Mars?
There already have been unmanned. Manned, you'll see one in the next few decades. For the general public, it'll happen after we have a major industrial center on the moon to launch from.

In the future, will my cereal glow in the dark when milk hits it???
Yes. Count Chocula will definitely make this happen.

Are we there yet?
No.
Are we there yet?
Yes.
Mommy, I really have to pee!
You should compare notes with that freak that's always posting "i want to put my pee pee in your poo poo hole"

Re:pictochat/im? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939315)

naah, you should really try to control your wrong and pervert urges. perhaps get some help.

that's all well and good.. (5, Interesting)

jx100 (453615) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939291)

The Nitro [sourceforge.net] project is actually working on tunnelling games over the internet. I believe they're using some of this guy's data as help, but they're also doing other stuff.

Re:that's all well and good.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939305)

thanks for this informative posting, which went something like some guys are doing something which may have something to do with this but doesn't really

Re:that's all well and good.. (1)

ImEric12 (712870) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939440)

I've heard from certain sources that this could be extremely hard to accomplish, due to extreme hardware limitations in the DS. Still looks like a great handheld to me, though, I can't wait to try it.

Re:that's all well and good.. (2, Interesting)

jockm (233372) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939826)

What do you mean? It has a 66Mhz ARM9 and a 33MHz ARM7. It has 4 Meg of RAM. That should be more than enough to host a browser.

Re:that's all well and good.. (1)

magnany (631950) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939458)

Hey, that Nitro Project looks pretty cool. Is there any way that I can join it or get some info?

Slashdot? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939296)

Until it has linux on it, it doesn't need to be slashdotted.

Wake-On-LAN (5, Interesting)

z3021017 (806883) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939300)

I hope somebody finds a way to hack WoL capability for the DS.

I thought one of the best things about these new handhelds (PSP included) was that you could play people you didn't know by just 'beeping' them whenever they were in range.

Re:Wake-On-LAN (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939328)

i send a magic packet through your rectum

Re:Wake-On-LAN (2)

doofsmack (537722) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939558)

That would be one hell of a battery-drainer, though.

Re:Wake-On-LAN (2, Informative)

juuri (7678) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939859)

Wake on Lan isn't in the US version and Nintendo has no current plans to add it to future US units.

Hopefully this can be rectified with a firmware patch included in some popular games in the future.

Ds is gonna have so many hacks (4, Informative)

Cracell (788266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939326)

I don't have one yet, but from looking at it, it appears very hackable, which will be nice once I get the cash for one I expect this to be the first of many

Re:Nintendo will squash hacks (2, Insightful)

xtermin8 (719661) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939499)

Nintendo guards its intellectual property very closely. That's why it took so long for GameCube bsd and linux to come out- and they're still not as functional as xbox linux. I'm sure Nintendo has made it so that it would make more sense to "hack" or even just buy peripherals for a Palm/palmtop than to try to make DS useful.

Re:Nintendo will squash hacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939743)

Nintendo guards its intellectual property very closely. That's why it took so long for GameCube bsd and linux to come out- and they're still not as functional as xbox linux. I'm sure Nintendo has made it so that it would make more sense to "hack" or even just buy peripherals for a Palm/palmtop than to try to make DS useful.

It makes more sense (at least by how easy it is) to program for a PDA, sure, but that doesn't mean that it's as interesting. People hacked the GBA and have developed homebrew apps for it, and it's even less powerful and without the wifi and the likes.

Re:Nintendo will squash hacks (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939814)

*It makes more sense (at least by how easy it is) to program for a PDA, sure, but that doesn't mean that it's as interesting. People hacked the GBA and have developed homebrew apps for it, and it's even less powerful and without the wifi and the likes.*

it being less powerful in this case though means it's MORE EASIER TO HACK, the more complex it becomes the more locked in it becomes as well(remember, there were emulators for gba too from day 1).. gba is pretty simple to code for as well as you don't have to care about os or other stuff that's probably running on the ds under the hood(unless you're going to just run gba code on it... ). nintendo isn't exactly the kind of vendor that just lets anyone download sdk's either and could for their own reasons have made homebrews no ds a bit harder.

though, sense never stopped forum-hopers and trolls from feeding rumours about every possible kidn of hack that's 'possible'.

what the packet analyzer would be probably most good for would be building some program to tunnel the packets through internet.

DS as general-purpose internet client (5, Interesting)

ewg (158266) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939332)

I was disappointed to learn that the DS doesn't support networking beyond local links to other DSs.

With Wi-fi support in every unit, I'd pay $30 for a "game" cartridge with an internet suite based on Opera or maybe the mobile Mozilla technology. Give me a web browser, IMAP client, AIM, and maybe an RSS reader and I'm good.

Hopefully something like this is on the way, something a little more portable than my laptop.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (1)

Siniset (615925) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939397)

I have to say, that would be a really smart move on nintendo's part, because i'm sure they would sell a ton of these devices then.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (4, Funny)

Snowmit (704081) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939399)

Please, yes! And while you're at it, make some scheduling software for so that I can claim that it's my PDA and I need it at meetings.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (3, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939419)

I wouldn't be suprised if someone sold that, but the screens are under 300x200 each. Great for games, but not much for web surfing.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (1)

Predius (560344) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939527)

I surf quite frequently on my Palm, 320x320

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (2, Interesting)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939531)

I wouldn't be suprised if someone sold that, but the screens are under 300x200 each. Great for games, but not much for web surfing.

I'm reading (and posting) /. on a blackberry - usable with even less resolution than that. Course, I'm bored out of my mind hoping the flight makes it home, but I'd kill for a few games other than breakout right now...

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (5, Interesting)

vandoravp (709954) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939581)

Actually it seems almost perfect with two screens. One shows a thumbnail of the whole page, the other shows a blow up of a small portion that you can easily move around.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (2, Interesting)

System.out.println() (755533) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939802)

And with a touch screen, you could use the stylus to move the zoomed-in area around....

You may be on to something here. That would be one kickass browser....

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939766)

The DS can completely support Wifi -> internet, it's just that none of the launch titles, nor the included "pictochat" support it. One future title (at least) is going to probably allow internet connecting, though it's only for an online scoreboard. Other companies are supposedly "experimenting" with netcode.

I would definately pay good money ($50, $60, perhaps) for a gamecard with a browser, email, and the likes on it. The touchscreen would allow for a nice, easy, virtual keyboard too.

Re:DS as general-purpose internet client (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939995)

Jesus FUCK for the love of God there's no A in DEFINITELY!!! How about spending all of 5$ for a DICTIONARY?

Jeez... (0, Troll)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939336)

This device was just released and already people are hacking it?

Can the DS surf the web and send email wirelessly, too?

How about some useful hacks - like a way install Linux on the DS with a Flash RAM card.

Re:Jeez... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939352)

Now please tell me, what exactly would be useful about installing Linux on a DS? Just to get the cool dmesg? Well, if you haven't got a real life you might live just to get this dmesg. Other people have happier things to do though.

Re:Jeez... (1, Insightful)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939435)

Umm, its called learning, maybe if you had a fun hobbie you wouldnt be posting such lame posts on slashdot.

Re:Jeez... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10940008)

Umm, you can start learning to use apostrophes and spelling 'hobby' like a human being.

Re:Jeez... (3, Funny)

NeoGeo64 (672698) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939367)

You can play Frozen Bubble wirelessly! duh :P

DS Wireless Hacking (0, Flamebait)

floodo1 (246910) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939339)

omg my dream is true!

DS wireless hacking is goD!

LAN tunnel for the DS (5, Interesting)

agtorange (804364) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939375)

I can already see someone making a LAN tunneler program for the DS that use a good old wireless router and a program on the computer to grant players the power to play online. It might work something like this. You bring up the program and it gives you list of games you pick a game and then pick a "room" depending on the game the "room" might hold more or less players. The room would fool the DS into thinking it near these other player as if they are in the same physical room. Once in the "room" you can simpley turn on the DS load up the game like metroid hunters and its game on!

Re:LAN tunnel for the DS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939653)

It's a great idea in concept. But for many of those games I doubt whether they could handle the larger pings. If you're coding for a nice little wireless setup I doubt you're going to put in any extensive prediction algorithms. Granted, using this over higher speed connections wouldn't be too bad. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

Oh My Gosh. (1, Funny)

i paxed the fridge (835285) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939518)

Yes! Now I can finally monitor packets with my Nintendo DS!

DS usb power cable (4, Interesting)

Allison Geode (598914) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939524)

i read that the DS can use the same power cable as the GBA SP. why bother hacking that together (other than the sheer nerdy joy of doing it yourself)? someone already made one: http://www.the-console-corner.com/gba_sp_usb_power _cable.htm
(sorry for not making that html. lazy tonight.)

Re:DS usb power cable (4, Informative)

darkain (749283) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939578)

yes, they can use the same power cable. yes, you can buy pre-made cables from lik-sang. the one on the site mentioned above is actually a SP cable, not a DS cable, but the mod was done for the purpose of using it on the DS. some people out there have purchased the SP and the DS, and therefor would have two power adapters. instead of having two of the same thing, this could give you a variety of mothods for powering your units, such as gathering friends together in one small location where power outlets become scarce, and because of the akward shape of the power adapter, it will can cover 2 or more outlets on a power strip. using usb instead means you can use any free usb slot available on your desktop computer, laptop, or powered usb hub.

Devkit for the rest of us please! (4, Funny)

shumacher (199043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939573)

Nintendo, I know you won't listen to me, but please, do what Sony did with the Aibo and release a consumer-grade development kit!

Re:Devkit for the rest of us please! (4, Funny)

Knetzar (698216) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939724)

Nintendo, I know you won't listen to me, but please, do what Sony did with the PS2 and release Linux for it!

Re:Devkit for the rest of us please! (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939870)

Nintendo, I know you won't listen to me, but please, do what Sony did with Michael Jackson and pretend you don't know these freaks.

USB Gameboy/DS power cables (2, Informative)

IroygbivU (534043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939669)

For those of you without the equipment to make your own, you can buy them quite cheaply from a Hong Kong importer called Lik Sang. http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=278&prod ucts_id=2994& [lik-sang.com]

Re:USB Gameboy/DS power cables (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939980)

Or you can go to any Gamestop/EB/Best Buy/Circuit City/etc and buy one off the shelf. Jesus Q. Fuck, why would importing a usb cable from Hong Kong be your first instinct when we have these things called "retailers" here in the Western Hemisphere?

Re:USB Gameboy/DS power cables (1)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940172)

What? And leave my house to purchase accessories for my mobile devices?

AiroPeek NX? (5, Interesting)

bagofcrap (260283) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939828)

from the article:

List of things you need to get started:
* TWO (or more) Nintendo DS Units
* A WiFi card of some kind
* AiroPeek NX software package

AiroPeek NX?
hmm... sounds interesting... *click* *click*

Its 3.5 grand for a copy w/ a 12 month support contract!?!

Not to sound cheap (cos I am), but um, thats a bit of an investment for what sounds like etheral w/ tcpdump on windows.
Anyone with experience w/ Airopeek mind sharing all the cool stuff it can do?

Re:AiroPeek NX? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10940193)

Airopeek does it all in real time, has an execellent user interface, and it works well if you have the right driver. It has all the cool wireless network hacking tools in a nice neat package. 3,500 isn't bad if you have an organization thats willing to pay for it. If you find a warez copy some where I strongly recommend taking a quick gander.

All software on the internet is free (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10940194)

Dude,

AiroPeek is available on the 'net.

cosmocats (-1, Offtopic)

thundercatslair (809424) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939834)

i am massive robot

Personal PC? (1)

iVasto (829426) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939853)

If you could hack DS and allow it to connect to a network, than maybe you can install a pocket pc OS on DS. If you could install a Pocket PC OS, than Opera, AIM, Word, and other programs can run off of DS. This would create a super cheap pocket computer, with a touch pad (mouse)!

Re:Personal PC? (1)

futileboy (668821) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939923)

I guess you could, but for a about $50 more you could get this from Dell [dell.com] . Or better yet older pocket PCs sell pretty cheap on ebay. Or if a pocket PC isn't your thing the Palm Zire is a good price too. I agree though that the DS wouldn be the only one with two screens, but I'm not sure that would be worth it.

Power consumption (1)

streak (23336) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939863)

What's the power consumption of the DS?
I believe the USB spec allows for a maximum 500mA from a USB port.

Re:Power consumption (1)

JazzXP (770338) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939918)

I can't imagine it would be that high, it has to run on batteries (and get decent life out of them).

Re:Power consumption (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939958)

DS power adapter is 320mA @ 5.2 V DC. At least the picture of the GBA-SP and DS power supplies reads that way. Both the SP and DS look very similar.

I see this as a way to pirate games... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10939891)

One of the features of the DS is that only one person has to own the game, and you and your friends can play together on that one cartridge.

How much would it take to make this technology send out downloaded copies of the game that are fully playable on another system?

Re:I see this as a way to pirate games... (1)

Zen Punk (785385) | more than 9 years ago | (#10939944)


A lot.

It has been discussed elsewhere how serious Nintendo is about protecting it's investment from pirates. Take a look at the Gamecube...you can't even put a normal-sized disc in it.

That said, the download play feature you speak of is not an easy way to simply download an entire DS ROM. Where would you put it? The DS only has 4 MB RAM. The only thing that is sent is just enough code for the client systems to run the multiplayer part of the game.

travel risks... (2, Insightful)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940023)

Of course there may arise the potential of travel risks for this guy.

For example, how will this affect is ability to travel freely to and (perhaps more importantly) from the USA?

*cough*DMCA*cough*

Slashdot RSS? (1)

ratboot (721595) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940047)

What about sending the Slashdot RSS to Pictochat? That'd be really sharp...

DS Server? (2, Interesting)

blixel (158224) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940082)

I think it would be cool to setup a Nintendo DS server (if such a thing existed) here in my house on my spare Soekris [soekris.com] box. I could stick a miniPCI wireless card in it, hook it up to an antenna that I could mount on my roof, and then host a 24/7 Metroid Prime Wireless LAN party to all the people in my area.

Do you realize... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10940179)

Do you realize if this was an Apple computer, people would be saying "why must you people spoil it for the rest of us".

I realize that's not strictly relevant, but funny nontheless.

pda (1)

austad (22163) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940206)

If someone came out with a device similar to the DS, where it was clamshell, had 802.11, bluetooth, 2 screens, and possibly GSM, I would buy one immediately.

I need a PDA that I can toss in my pocket and not have to worry about the screen being hosed. Triple points if I can replace my phone with it also. The Sidekick would be there if it wasn't so crippled and had bluetooth.

And for christsakes, don't put a damn camera on it. It's going to suck and no one will use it. It just raises the cost and increases the size of it.

Color hacks in the near future? (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | more than 9 years ago | (#10940210)

Might we see a color hack in the near future? Apparently it uses gba style 16 color tiles. Until you hack up pictochat, I suspect that would be limited to tunnelling and other interference only.
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