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In Korea, Email Is Only For Old People

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the u.s.-has-officially-been-lapped dept.

Communications 439

_martini_ writes "This short article suggests that, in Korea, email is used only for formal communications, or by older, less tech-saavy generations, while IMs, blogs, and SMS has taken over as the primary means of day to day messages."

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In Korea (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950116)

Old people are those over the age of 30.

Re:In Korea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950226)

Instant messaging? I barely use e-mail. The phone is the only way to be sure you're actually talking to the correct person.

Re:In Korea (2, Insightful)

0x461FAB0BD7D2 (812236) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950286)

The phone is the only way to be sure you're actually talking to the correct person.
I wonder what Mitnick would have to say about that.

However, this is not only in Korea. I live in Hong Kong, and essentially all casual communication is done via SMS (which is extremely cheap here) or IM (ICQ being the favorite of the various messengers).

Either that (-1, Offtopic)

spike hay (534165) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950117)

Or people with good grammar conventions.

Re:Either that (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950132)

so the gramer nazis are old people, makes sense now.

Re:Either that (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950145)

I try to use proper grammar with SMS. SMS with auto complete is nifty.

Greasy Kids Stuff (5, Insightful)

insensitive claude (645770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950118)

I can understand how IM appeals to kids (regardless of nationality), but I find IM incredibly distracting. I guess it's the natural evolution though. As telephones cut into the postal load, so are chat functions overtaking email.

Re:Greasy Kids Stuff (3, Interesting)

lordkuri (514498) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950183)

I can say that I really prefer IM. How many people do you know that can carry on a voice conversation with 5 people at once?

A lot of the people I use it to talk with also use it as a "remote post-it" note. Got an idea? shoot it off, and they'll see it eventually.

overall, I'd prefer IM to just about anything else

actual woman? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950208)

You certainly sound like a dude. Are you a dyke?

Re:Greasy Kids Stuff (2, Interesting)

Yartrebo (690383) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950367)

If people waited one minute between replies in conversations, then maybe they could speak to five people at once.

The one thing I hate about instant messages is that they are so darned slow. Since you do not see the other person, they can take all the time they want without having those awkward pauses. It might be great for them, and I kind of like it on my side, but I am a very impatient person.

There's also lots of stuff it's not good for (4, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950288)

We use e-mail for our help desk for example. You send an e-mail to the help address, it creates a new ticket for your issue. This works well, as we get documentation of everything you say to us, and us to you, and it allows us to deal with your problem when a person with the requisite knowledge has time.

IM would be totally unsuited for this. When peopel have your attention in realtime, they want results in realtime. If I answer a chat about a Solaris problem, I'm not the one you want, you want the Solaris admin. With e-mail, this is all taken care of. Someone submits their request, and when the Solaris admin is available, he deals with it.

I certianly don't think IM is useless, but I think young people (I include myself in this category, I'm 24) are a little too caught up with the wow factor. When it comes to bussiness, there are major reasons to want to use e-mail instead.

Re:There's also lots of stuff it's not good for (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950359)

As mentioned email and IM have thir own uses. Email is more like an answering machine while IM is like your telephone. As far as help desks go (not to be insulting to the all-knowing tech guy) but IM is the way to go. Help desks exist in order to solve problems and if you guys are not there and available to answer problems you apparently do not work there. (I have seen a lot of people getting fired over stuff like that when I used to work at a help desk).

Anyway, just like with a phone number if you know the number of a person that you want to talk to you call them. If not you leave a message to someone that can convey it to the person. Same thing pretty much should apply to emails and IMs.

As far as South Korea goes, man those are the people that had problems with youngsters (12-13 years old) being addicted to the internet, so no surprise there ...

Re:Greasy Kids Stuff..good! (2, Insightful)

majid_aldo (812530) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950362)

my email looks like a bulletin board! full of crap like "hey look at this", "hey what are you doing tonight?"... i want my email to be for meaningful correspondence.

this creates alot of email that one has to sort through.

Low-Carb Movement Gains Internet Celebrity Support (0, Troll)

JacksonBrown (823043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950119)

Low-Carb Movement Gains Internet Celebrity Support

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Instead of his normal deep fried vegetable fat intake this is animal fat, something that feeds the carnal nature of all man. It is also the main stay of one of the most popular low-carb diet crazes to hit the market. The atkin's nutritional approach is driven not by a lower fat intake, or a particularly low caloric intake but rather high protein and high fat in the initial stages of the diet, it is safe to continue induction for up to six months. This induction phase is what cowboyneal had stumbled upon.

GNAA reporter GuyNiguere questioned Carl's jr. employee and undercover informant JesuitX about cowboyneal's visits to the fast food chain. Upon questioning JesuitX pulled his 2-foot nigger cock out of the mayonnaise vat and began cursing the franchise owner and anyone who looked like that "chink Korean penny pinching assface with the black heart of a Jew banker foreclosing on a struggling rural family in western Nebraska". Having never actually answered any questions GuyNiguere decided to stake the restaurant out him self. These are the findings of the stake out:

GuyNiguere, stake out report. Day 1

After a morning of no relevant activity I believe I have hit the motherlode so to speak, after feeling several small tremors and noticing the scent of burning pork and Marlboro light cigarettes he appeared. This magnificent behemoth of a man resembling a pasty white pre-surgery Al Roker genetically crossed with a tokyox hog. I knew at once it was the unspeakable, the terrible, the unimaginable, CowBoyNeal. After slipping on his own sweat and having three employees with a hand truck prop him up at the counter he proceeded to order fourteen low-carb six-dollar burgers. Enough beef to feed the children of an entire AOL call center.

I feel I must talk to this incredible beast but the crunch of burger wrappers and commotion of Carl's jr. employees is just too much for me. Today has been a momentous day, and I would love to get the story first hand from the man, but surely his failing eyesight, latent racism, and my natural nigger tendencies to wear bright colors could mean certain death. Perhaps tomorrow, I need to regain my strength.

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GuyNiguere: Cowboyneal, I see you've lost a lot of weight, how did you manage to do it?

GuyNiguere: He says that I look tasty and that he has lost almost a quarter of his weight 475 lbs. so far by simply eating nothing more than six-dollar burgers dripping with ranch dressing.

GuyNiguere: How did you notice the weight loss, forgive me but a quarter of your weight isn't all that much in the scope of things.

GuyNiguere: He says the first indication was when his wife found his penis and he's been pumping the porker ever since she figured out how to support his cockapron with a pneumatic cylinder.

GuyNiguere: How has your new diet changed your life?

GuyNiguere: He said I look like I'm made of tasty nigger meat and that it has allowed him to come to terms with his failed weblog. In addition he has found out that he has more energy to eat and advocate dead operating systems such as BSD. He also tells me that he has been able to switch back to normal keyboards for all his typing, but has had to give up keeping his Macintosh laptop underneath his musty manteats.

GuyNiguere: Pardon the personal questions Neal, but have you found the psychological reason that you have such an eating disorder?

GuyNiguere: he's looking at me funny but says that he first noticed the weight gain trying to get his webcam to work on an early distribution of redhat linux. Depressed at the rampant failure and unable to give up the operating system in favor of something that actually works his diet consisted mostly of double layered pizzas and pork fried rice. The list he is giving me is too long and the look in his eyes is beginning to concern me. I think he means anything delivered to his door.

GuyNiguere: OMG He's still rambling about food I think he's shifting his weight to me, I hope to god someone brings him another burger. I'm ending this interview now.

***disconnected.

GuyNiguere was never heard from again. It is my fondest hope that he at least made it out of there alive and with any hope is still nursing the mental wounds from his experience praying somewhere in the woods unable to interact with society due to his disgusting experience, much like a Vietnam vet. Something tells me that is not the case. The atkin's diet has worked for cowboyneal; unfortunately, GuyNiguere was also low carb. May he be blessed with the holy nigger seed.



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IN KOREA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950120)

Star Craft only for OLD people!

We play Brood War now old man!

Re:IN KOREA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950163)

Netcraft says old people are dying!!!!111

replacement for soviet joke? (5, Funny)

Heem (448667) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950122)

In Korea, (current subject) is only used by old people!

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (4, Funny)

themaidtricks (823827) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950147)

It might happen, but the phrasing needs work.

In Korea, (current subject) is for the elderly!

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (5, Funny)

blue_adept (40915) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950195)

the syntax should be:
In Korea, only old people (verb).

for example:
in Korea, only old people say the phrasing needs work.

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950291)

Almost there:

In Korea, (current subject) is only for elders.

And how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950166)

All your email belong to old Korean people.

Re:And how about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950198)

All your Korean old people are belong to US.

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (0, Offtopic)

Zeebs (577100) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950221)

Error: YOUR UID HAS TOO MANY DIGITS TO DICTATE NEXT SLASHBOT POST TREND...

Please purchase [slashdot.org] UID 56 [slashdot.org] and try again...

I'll be ok, really, lameness filter filler....

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (3, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950254)

In Korea, door handles do not break.

KFG

In SOVIET KOREA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950338)

The NORTH emails the SOUTH

In North Korea (0)

Moocowsia (589092) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950342)

In North Korea, old people are only used by (current subject)!

Re:replacement for soviet joke? (4, Funny)

DarthWiggle (537589) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950379)

In Soviet Korea, old people email you!

An yet... (1)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950123)

The best way to get ahold of my mom is to IM her!

Re:An yet... (4, Funny)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950180)

you know you've left yourself wide open there...

Re:An yet... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950297)

you know you've left yourself wide open there...

Not unlike his mother...

Your Mom (2, Funny)

uncoolcentral (631760) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950262)

The best way to get ahold of my mom is to...

Must... control... urge... to... fire... quick... yer mama joke...

Re:An yet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950310)

That's funny, when I get a hold of your mom, I call it something else!

fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950126)

fp

But... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950127)

How do they get their v4lub13 P3n!s 3n1arg3men+ notices?

Re:But... (2, Informative)

daeley (126313) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950172)

How do they get their v4lub13 P3n!s 3n1arg3men+ notices?

Not to worry, there's always SMS Spam [theregister.co.uk] !

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950322)

they don't -- in korea they /send/ the v4lub13 P3n!s 3n1arg3men+ notices

On slashdot... (2, Insightful)

ejdmoo (193585) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950129)

On slashdot, engadget is for dummies!

Seriously though, no credit? Come on!

Re:On slashdot... (1)

wan-fu (746576) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950372)

agreed. it's getting annoying the number of engadget/gizmodo reposts we've been seeing recently

I R KOREA (0)

JacksonBrown (823043) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950133)

kekekkeke Zerg Rush GOGOGO!

Re:I R KOREA (-1, Troll)

Shonufftheshogun (620824) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950164)

hahahaha

How about the Legal Community? (5, Interesting)

cbelle13013 (812401) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950135)

I wonder how the legal community operates? In this country, you'd be disbarred for sending an SMS to a judge or use AIM to communicate with opposing council (for serious matters). As much as email is used, all the documents we use at our firm are typed up and made official.

Re:How about the Legal Community? (5, Funny)

Sebadude (680162) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950305)

It would probably be typed up, but it might look something like this

DEAR AOL KOREA USAR

IT HAS COMA 2 MAH ATENTION TAHT U HAEV MAED AN UNAUTHORIEZD USE OF MAH COPYRIGHTED WORK IN DA PR3PARATION OF A WORK D3RIEVD THEIR!N WTF LOL I HAEV RESERVAD AL RIGHTS IN TEH WORK FIRST PUBLISHED IN 2003 [AND HAEV REGIST3R3D COPYRIGHT THEIR!N OMG LOL UR WORK IS ASENTIALY IEDNTICAL 2 TEH WORK AND CLEARLY USAD DA WORK AS ITS BASIS.

AS U N3ITHER ASK3D FOR NOR R3CEIEVD P3RMISION 2 USE TEH WORK AS DA BASIS FOR UR WORK NOR 2 MAEK OR DISTRIBUTE COPEIS INCLUDNG ALECTRONIC COPEIS OF SME I BLEIVE U HAEV WILFULY INFRNGED MAH RIGHTS UND3R 17 USC!!!!11 OMG WTF LOL S3CTION 101 ET SEQ!1!!111! WTF AND CUD B LIABL3 FOR STATU2RY DMAEGS AS HIGH AS $15000 AS SAT FORTH IN S3CTION 504(C)(2) THEIR!N OMG WTF

I DAMAND TAHT U IM3DIAETLY CEAES DA US3 AND DISTRIBUTION OF AL INFRNGNG WORKS D3RIEVD FROM TEH WORK AND AL COPEIS INCLUDNG ELECTRONIC COPEIS OF SME TAHT U DELIEVR 2 ME IF APLICABLA AL UNUSED UNDISTRIBUTED COPEIS OF SM3 OR DESTROY SUCH COPEIS IMADIAETLY AND TAHT U DESIST FROM THIS OR ANY OTHAR INFRNGEMANT OF MAH RIGHTS IN DA FUTURA1!!1 OMG LOL IF I DO NOT RECEIEV AN AFIRMATIEV R3SPONS3 FROM U INDICATNG TAHT U HAEV FULY COMPLEID WIT THAS3 R3QUIERM3NTS I SHAL TAEK FURTHER ACTION AGANEST U!!!!1!!1 WTF

URS TRULY, SEBADUDE

It might be a bit of a challenge to decipher for most of us, but for these highly trained legal experts I'm sure it's nothing.

So what? (4, Insightful)

mOoZik (698544) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950136)

SMS still costs some money, IM isn't as formal, and email is more wide-spread. Doesn't mean anyone has to do what HelloKitty loving teens are doing in a place where technology changes daily.

Re:So what? (2, Informative)

shmergin (679427) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950292)

Here in Korea you can get up 300 free SMS a month, and what do Japanese teens have to do with anything? Hello kitty is about as popular over here in Korea as it is in America...

MOD PARENT DOWN -- BIGOTRY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950312)

No matter how funny you may think you are, there's no place for the bigotry/racism in your post. Please work on your sensitivity.

if... (5, Interesting)

torrents (827493) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950141)

email is for old people what do they think of those who use the "physical" postal service...

Re:if... (5, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950174)

. . .what do they think of those who use the "physical" postal service...

What's that, Gramps?

KFG

e-mail and telegrams (1)

tin foil hat dude (791617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950143)

Please give me a way to explain what a telegram is to my 8 year old.

I still have boxes of unused punch cards from a fortran class thirty years ago that I am saving for the day that I take the second half of the class.

I agree with old people in Korea then that e-mail is quite fast enough thank you very much.

Re:e-mail and telegrams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950196)

why don't you just send her one? western union isn't very expensive.

Re:e-mail and telegrams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950206)

That is amazing. I think you should push for the second half of that class. Then try and take a fortran certification that hasn't been around for 30 years. That would, honestly, impress the hell out of me. I don't know why, but it just would.

IN SOVIET KOREA... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950149)

...old people e-mail...YOU?

Re:IN SOVIET KOREA... (-1)

Jacer (574383) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950211)

I think you have soviet russia confused with the part of prision where the sexual deiviants live.

Credibility of E-mail? (5, Insightful)

tyleroar (614054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950151)

From the article: "Email's efficiency falls in terms of promptness, convenience and credibility," observed Yoo Hyon-ok, president, SK Communications. "With the continuous emergence of new communication means, communication formats will develop further in the future."
How do IMs, blogs or SMS provide any more credibility than E-Mail?

Re:Credibility of E-mail? (3, Informative)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950281)

Well SMS is verifiable in theory because it has the central telephone service provider that it is routed through. Very few hands touch that message and you can only receive message from one source and only send them to one source, that one source does all the verification. Similar argument for IMs. Blogs typically require a log-in controlled by a central authority and so unless your owned, its verifiable that what you posted is yours and comments by friends are theirs. Email on the other hand doesnt require any authentication, can be recieved and sent to millions of different locations, it has no central authority (which is good for many things, but bad for auth). I could send you an email right now with your mom's email address and it'd be very hard to prove it wasn't your mom, yet alone trace it back to me. I personally only use email,and the occasional IM, but this guy does have a point. And of course anything formal is a physical document.
Regards,
Steve

Re:Credibility of E-mail? (2, Interesting)

PurpleFloyd (149812) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950290)

A wild guess: by "credibility" they mean something more akin to "street cred." Here in the US, it used to be that free online access to your bank accounts was something special; now, most banks offer it. Similarly, it may well be that in Korea, email services are seen as ordinary, while a company that provides services via SMS or IM may attract a clientele which cares about these things - and people who care about always having the latest, best things tend to be rather well-to-do.

Re:Credibility of E-mail? (2, Interesting)

shmergin (679427) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950309)

They provide more credibility because in order to sign up for a blog (or almost anything in this country) you have to input your National ID number. By no means foolproof, but a lot harder to spoof than a standard account.

Heh heh (4, Insightful)

daeley (126313) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950154)

In Korea, Email Is Only For Old People

Of course, there is the corollary: IM, blogs, and SMS are kiddy tech. ;)

Does SMS ensure the message arrives? (1)

ezberry (411384) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950157)

The article said that one of the major reasons people don't like e-mail is that there is no immediate assurance that the message has arrived at its destination. Does SMS (or IM, for that matter) have any guarantee?
The article makes sense, though. SMS and IM are attractive in that you don't have to express every thought on the subject at once, but you can at least have some conversational simulation with these.
I'd use SMS, but I refuse on principle to pay 10 cents for each message I sent.

Re:Does SMS ensure the message arrives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950358)

SMS is not equally expensive in all countries. Incoming messages are free in India, and outgoing messages dont cost much either.

Have to be careful about reading this stuff (5, Insightful)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950158)

I love Korea a lot, but it's got some drawbacks, particularly in its journalism and media. The impetus behind this article might have a lot less to do with the actual oncoming death of email and a lot more to do with maintaining a tech-obsessed culture -- much easier to do if you're constantly promoting new toys, which Korea is.

It'd be like a Hollywood tabloid saying that indipendent film is on the way out.

The ebb of email is confirmed by a diminishing trend in pageviews, a tabulation of frequency in service used by email users. Daum Communication, the top email business in the country, saw its email service pageviews fall over 20 percent from 3.9 billion in October last year to 3 billion in October this year. By contrast, with SK Telecom, the nation's No. 1 communication firm, monthly SMS transmissions skyrocketed over 40 percent in October from 2.7 billion instances last October. Cyworld, a representative mini-homepage firm, witnessed its pageviews multiply over 26-fold from 650 million instances in October last year to 17 billion in October this year.

This paragraph, for instance, is as much about corporate branding as it is about giving email stats.

Re:Have to be careful about reading this stuff (2, Funny)

Hukui (809694) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950330)

If this [chosun.com] link is even remotely accurate, I think I'd love Korea too. Where do I sign up for a citizenship? :P

AFAIK (2, Interesting)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950347)

this is the case in the United States, too. I'm 25 and I only use email for formal communications or some large, organized "packet" of information that I need to send to someone. Just about all of my friends are the same way.

I realize you can't generalize based on your own anecdotal experience... but does anyone really send one or two-line emails anymore when IM is a hundred percent easier and instantaneous?

Um no... (2, Insightful)

ReeprFlame (745959) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950160)

THats something that I hope does not evolve here. Mainly because people complain about emails sometimes getting lost, but they are more institutionalized and easier to find/access than blogs, SMS, and IMs. It is also more of an "on-demand" service. That you can send files, reply immediately [even if the user is not online], etc. And best of all is it automatically keeps your messages...

They must have (1)

RealProgrammer (723725) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950162)

... a lot of old spammers there. A lot of the spam my server blocks is from .kr addresses.

korean spam killing korean smtp traffic (4, Interesting)

Indy1 (99447) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950165)

i'm not surprised, korea is one of the worst spam sewers on the net outside the US, and many mail admins just pre-emptively firewall or ACL korean (or all of apnic) net space. Apparently Korean isp's could care less about all the firewalling, ACL's, and blacklists they end up in and their users are just moving on to IM's.

naim (2, Interesting)

Brainix (748988) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950170)

I came across a nice way to use IM as a primary means of communication. I run naim [ml.org] with GNU Screen [ml.org] on a server on which I have a shell account. This way, naim functions as an "answering machine" when I'm not online, and a normal IM client when I am. Enjoy.

Here too (5, Insightful)

comwiz56 (447651) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950171)

It's like that here (in America) too. Most teenagers in America use AIM, IRC, or MSN more than they email. Reasons for this are pretty simple. IMs (and chat rooms) provide instant communication (this is comparable to a phone call, or talking in the halls), whereas an email is like passing a note. The reader has to read and respond seperately.

And as far as blogs, teens like talking about themselves, so this gives them a place to write about themselves as much as they want. Then anyone who knows how to get to it can read it, so its spread to the masses.

And SMS. Many teens have cellphones, and aren't at their computer 24/7, so an easy way to communicate is to a device that they carry with them all the time.

Korean e-mail usage spammed to death? (3, Interesting)

McDutchie (151611) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950175)

Coincidentally, the spam problem in Korea is also worse than just about anywhere else, it's for good reason that much of the world is firewalling the country off. So I wonder how much of the decline in e-mail usage there is due to the spammers.

Related stories on site (0, Offtopic)

tyleroar (614054) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950178)

Some how I was so much more interested in the story on Deprived of Business and Sex, Two Men Petition Constitutional Court over Prostitution Law

Meaningless Criticism... (5, Insightful)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950179)

Most of the reasons they give for email being shunned for other mediums are pretty flimsy.

I know people who set up their AIM client so that you can't tell whether they're idle, and only respond to messages 10 hours after you've sent them, and i know people who watch their inboxes like obsessive hawks.

as for email being less "fun" than aim... I don't know, i think my gmail account is pretty cool... and conversational for that matter.

This debate is pretty silly, after all, all we're talking about is persistant electronic messaging. In terms of user experience, email and a client like ICQ aren't -drastically- different. Presumably email will get faster and friendlier, and hell, at some point probably may as well be the same as an IM system.

Wow, email lacks credibility... (2, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950181)

(like I didn't know that) ...and IM and SMS is supposed to be a more credible alternative?

The one thing I like about email is that I can get to it when I need to. IM basically requires both parties to be at a computer and logged in at the same time. SMS solves that, I guess, but is it as reliable as email yet?

I'd try SMS if it weren't so much more expensive than email and if I weren't charged to recieve messages I didn't want. I suppose SMS in Korea is a lot cheaper.

Re:Wow, email lacks credibility... (1)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950216)

* SMS solves that, I guess, but is it as reliable as email yet?*

sms is short, it's not an email replacer.. but it's been more reliable than email all it's life. most im's have probably too, if it says that the message got through then it went through. I treat IRC most of the time as 'get it to when I have time' too...

(and of course, it would help if your operators had a custom like here.. that you don't pay for unwanted sms, sender pays 99.99% of the time with ordered 'service' sms's being an exception.. like when you order some information up)

Re:Wow, email lacks credibility... (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950332)

IM basically requires both parties to be at a computer and logged in at the same time.

This is why I miss the old ICQ. It used to be able to let you send a message to someone who wasn't online. Quite useful. Then AOhelL swallowed them up...

It's a shame, really... (4, Funny)

YouHaveSnail (202852) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950190)

You know, writing decent email is an art form, something we used to take pride in. But these days, with these kids texting ungrammatical half-phrases all over the place, it's becoming something of a lost art. I tell you, kids today can't write a complete sentence, and they barely even know how to use an emoticon properly. :-\ It won't be long before people forget how to type. Oh, the inhumanity!

Re:It's a shame, really... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950304)

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Re:It's a shame, really... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950318)

LOL r u SERIOUS? we "kids" know how to use emoticons :-P:-P:-P:-P!
LOL @ U old PPLZ!

Maybe not just Korea (5, Insightful)

matth1jd (823437) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950209)

My grandparents prefer e-mail. Why? Because they have always enjoyed writing letters. It was the preferred method of correspondance to people who they couldn't otherwise call on the telephone. E-Mail for them is just a "new fangled" way of writing letters.
If shown Instant Messaging they wouldn't use it as nifty as they think it might be, because it's a paradigm they don't neccesarily buy into.

I would imagine this would apply to many older people. Hell, I even enjoy the eloquence of well written letter.

--J

Ummm, ok. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950217)

"The ebbing of email is a phenomenon peculiar to Korea, an IT power."

At least this article doesn't read like propaganda. Nope, nothing to see here, good Red citizens. Continue on to your factory jobs, use our government-provided SMS because it will strengthen our glorious country. Not like those outmoded, capitalist pigs and their filthy capitalist email.

Sample group (1)

Novelty Act (781371) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950224)

Hmmm.. they studied "high school and college students". Study the same kids when they have to use the computer at the office all day and you'll see a different trend.. at least typing an email can look work-related. Sometimes.

Study my peer group back at university and you could have drawn conclusions that communication through talkers and MUDs was replacing email.

Hell no (4, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950227)

IM clients piss me off, always in your face. They have pop ups, blink in your tool bar, whatever to get your attention. Then to top it off there are 4 major IM's and the good multi-im clients tend to have bugs and not support all the features. There is a good console multi-IM client that works well under screen, but has proxy issues.

Email works, hell, I'd rather have an IM2mail gateway so I can use a mail client. Mail is passive and you control it, IM wants to control your life. (No this isnt a in Russia joke.)

I can also sort mail, pop web mail, attachments, etc. Mail is much more powerful. And newer IM devices include email accounts (POP or Ldap) Even ATT Wireless (Er Cingular now) the Ogo.

Only in Korea? (1)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950231)

I'm American. I use IM for normal Internet communication with my peers. The majority of my e-mail inbox (not spam) is stuff for the state executive board of math club (I'm webmaster). I just looked at my inbox; other than mailing lists and the aforementioned math-club e-mails, I can't find a "normal" e-mail since after about early October.

The nature of e-mail is such that it lends itself to longer, infomative messages. "Chatting" - that is, discussion or talking - is much more suited for IM.

I call BS (0)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950236)

IMs and blogs are even crappier knowledge stores than primitive email client folder formats.

You're telling me the most savvy users are transacting information with the lossiest clients? That they huddle over cramped phone screens instead of email clients? BS.

Re:I call BS (2, Insightful)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950271)

why would you need to archive lunch invitation of the day? or "hey.. what's that place to download firefox from again??"

Re:I call BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950278)

Sit down, grandpa.

Email vs. IM (1)

fossa (212602) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950269)

For me, email is not instant. It is also (more?) susceptible to spam. I use AIM (grudgingly) and have never had a problem with spam.

My email setup mostly consists of me running "fetchmail" on some pop3 accounts. I also have a mail server which I must get messages from (offlineimap). Both of these methods are "pull" rather than "push". I.e. if someone sends me an email, it isn't possible for a window to pop up and say "here's the email"; I have to fetch it first (even if this step is completely automated, it isn't instant).

Now that I'm off topic, I'd like to pose the question: what kind of software exists to make email "instant"? I have control of my own mail server, but my desktop computer is not my mail server, and is behind firewall, NAT, etc. Thus messages to my email address are not delivered directly to my computer.

Basically, I want something on the mail server end that: 1) queues up received mail. 2) when my desktop connects as a client, it receives the queued mail and does with it as it wishes (runs it through the local mail system). 3) the desktop remains connected indefinitely, and new mail received by the mail server is pushed down to the desktop "instantly". 4) If the desktop client ever disconnects, the mail server resumes its queueing.

IMAP is nice, but my server is dog slow latency wise. I like having a local copy of my mail. While I'm designing my ideal system, it'd also be capable of supporting multiple clients (main desktop and web client at least). The server would retain some number of emails so any client that connected would see the old email. The primary client would download all the emails to have a local copy and for archival purposes, and nothing would prevent multiple clients from doing the same.

Back the topic, it remains much easier to fire off a quick instant message and expect an immediate response than with email. (Though the MS Exchange setup at work comes close. Here the network is fast enough for it to work without local delivery, just the Outlook client connecting to the server.)

Re:Email vs. IM (1)

wcdw (179126) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950302)

You're right about it being OT. ;) But it sounds to me like you need to run sendmail on your desktop computer, and have the mail server running in store-and-forward mode.

Or cron fetchmail every 30 seconds -- how 'instant' does it really *have* to be?

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according to my server logs... (1)

CrackerJack9 (819843) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950274)

email is used by smtphunter and a bunch of other spam relaying 'people'...but then I guess a new article could be, only old people spam from Korea?

Blogs too? Like Slashdot? (1)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950295)

I don't know about you, but reading all that makes me feel old and outdated. I need to upgrade the internet...

SlashIM, it's gonna be all the rage.

How about...both? (4, Insightful)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950298)

Each serves their purpose. If I need to speak to someone interactively and immediately, IM is generally a better choice. On the other hand, if I want to send a good bit of information to someone that they're likely going to want to refer back to, or they're not online when I think of something I need to tell them, email is a much better alternative.

I quite like the way gmail is set up, and that is certainly done well to support a "conversational" format. I don't see why this persistent need in the tech community that one tool is always and for everything better than another. It seems pretty frequent though (Windows vs. Linux vs. *BSD vs. Solaris, email vs. IM, blogs vs. newsgroups, I could go on but I'd fill up the server.)

Why doesn't anyone acknowledge that, quite like in reality, software is a tool, and one type of tool is generally better at a given job then another? You don't use a hammer to loosen a nut, nor a wrench to drive a nail, and you wouldn't want to be stuck without either when the need arises.

Must fight the urge... (1)

manual_overide (134872) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950313)

In Soviet North Korea, Old People's Email Reads YOU!

Oh well. Burn, karma, burn.

Same here (1)

MaKS327 (654475) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950316)

It works here like that too. At my university, the most common use for emails is contacting profs, sending and recieving student organization news and updates, schoolwork, and other more "formal" dialogues and communications just like the article indicates. If I'm going to get a hold of a friend, I use AIM. On the other hand, I frequently receive emails from my grandfather, most of which are the typical chain letter types that have circled through every church listserv in five states.

Great... (1)

wardomon (213812) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950320)

Now get off my lawn!

Not surprised... (1)

Lord Haha (753617) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950321)

Personally E-mail ends up being mostly to my parents or attaching files for those with picky firewalls. I tend to use IM for the rest (end have a few university profs who use IM - the "younger" ones only; the rest just use email)

Midlife Crisis. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950327)

"In Korea, Email Is Only For Old People"

Oh my God! I'm OLD!!

*sob*

And I didn't even see it coming.

Suburban eastcoast US (1)

Squalish (542159) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950340)

This was sort of the norm for me + friends in HS.

Of the tech-oriented people where I live, an IM is this generation's social phonecall, email is their voicemail, and the cellphone... is a cellphone, used to get in touch with people, not really something to talk in depth on.

Get the title right! (1)

xswl0931 (562013) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950374)

If you're going to steal an article and the title, at least steal the whole thing. http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000260021869/

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#10950377)

Old People eat email!!

oh I didn't know (1)

sixpacker (687012) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950378)

that I'm that old now.
I'm 30 years old, a programmer in Korea.
But I don't use cellular phone. Actually I don't even onw it.

Should always specify North or South. (5, Interesting)

UranusReallyHertz (567776) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950381)

Korea is still very much divided into two completely different countrys. South korea is rich, modern, and the most wired country on earth. North Korea is very poor, essentially unchanged in the last 50 years, and the Internet is illegal, along with cell phones. Pyongyang tried an experimental rollout of cell phone service but it was stopped, probbably because the authorities couldn't keep adequate control over it. I've oftened wondered what it would be like if the North actually invaded the South. It would be almost like time travel for the poor Northern soldiers.

Well, duh... (2, Funny)

Sheepdot (211478) | more than 9 years ago | (#10950382)

Think about it for a minute.

Spam typically COMES from Korea. It would make sense then, that Koreans generally do not use email (which, in most Korean's minds is for SPAM only) as a communication means.
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