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History of the First Internet

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the really-we-swear dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 396

U96 writes "Ever since the Gore claim to have "invented" the internet, its history has been the subject of misinformation and ridicule. The Institue of Internet History contains an accurate, in-depth examination of the early industrial origins of the internet. An interesting read..."

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Slashdotted Already? (2, Informative)

Tiberius_Fel (770739) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001815)

I don't seem to be able to load the link... it can't be slashdotted already, can it? :P

Re:Slashdotted Already? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001857)

Looks like their server is one of their exhibits.

Re:Slashdotted Already? (2, Funny)

gitana (756955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001881)

yep ... dead .. that was fast

Re:Slashdotted Already? (1)

killpog (740063) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001982)

Nope... Firewalled, hehe.

Slashdotted Already?-Weaving the Web. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001901)

Go read Tim Berners Lee's book Weaving the Web.

Much better than any link, and it's slashdot-proof.

Re:Slashdotted Already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002094)

the only coral-cached page [nyud.net] (besides the top page)

"Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet" (4, Informative)

daniil (775990) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001816)

One internet? That's nothing! (2, Funny)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001876)

Pah, Gore might have "invented" the Internet, but Dubya invented lots of Internets! Internets on the house for everyone!

Re:One internet? That's nothing! (1)

slashkitty (21637) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002119)

Isn't there an Internet 2 now? Doesn't that mean there are not multiple internets?

Oh He created the Internet...well thats different! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002029)

And all this time I thought he invented it no he merely created the 'net.Thank you so much for informing all of this.
Next someone wil tell me the lady in Texas who spilled coffee on herself was a victim who deserved the money.

Truth is the seed of legend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002077)

Okay, since apparently EVERY COMMENT about this article will be an attack on the summary's treatment of Al Gore's "I took the initiative in creating the Internet." comment, has anyone stopped to consider that Gore's comment might - sit down for this one, people - actually be deserving of ridicule and criticism, even if not to the extreme degree that it has occured?

Pointing out the inaccuracy of a criticism is not the same thing as a debunking or an exoneration of the criticized.

Doesn't matter who 'created' it. (1)

hndrcks (39873) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002082)

Our newly re-elected Dear Leader will find a good 'reason' to take it away. [washingtontimes.com]

I heard this story from someone who was there (5, Informative)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002121)

My advisor (David Mills [udel.edu] , first chairman of the Internet Architecture Committee and inventor of NTP) mentioned this once. He said that Al Gore's staff were at every technical meeting related to internet development, and that the funding Gore helped push through Congress was critical to the project. Furthermore, he said after that quote was widely distorted in the media (where Gore rightfully claimed credit for providing the funding), he and several others who *did* invent the internet signed a public affidavit attesting to the veracity of the claim.

Why do Rapepublicans lie so much? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002126)

I guess it's because the Rapepublicans are freedom hating Nazis.

First Internet! (-1, Troll)

RinzeWind (413873) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001817)

I mean... first post!

Gore's "claim" (-1, Troll)

Accipiter (8228) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001818)

You mean like the misinformation that Gore claimed to have invented the internet?

Re:Gore's "claim" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002022)

He said "The Gore claim." Not "Gore's claim." He did mention misinformation and ridicule; the idea that the infamous "Gore claim" was spoken by Al Gore is misinformation, and the backlash from the technical community from this piece of misinformation is the unwarranted, aforementioned ridicule.

fp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001819)

fp?

Next on Slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001821)

A story aboot The Institue of Slashdot Mispelings

wow, irony (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001828)

Ever since the Gore claim to have "invented" the internet, its history has been the subject of misinformation and ridicule.

Considering Gore never claimed to have invented the internet, you've actually managed to include misinformation in a sentence criticizing misinformation. Well done.

Re:wow, irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001995)

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/ president.2000/transcript.gore/

Search first... post later... you are factually incorrect.... read the friggin transcript, it's there plain as day...

You can claim he misspoke.. or wasn't clear... but you can't claim he didn't say it... that's just dumb.

Re:wow, irony (1)

brucifer (12972) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002035)

So let me get this straight: We can make fun of all the misspeaking that Dubya does, but we can't mock Gore for saying "I took the initiative in creating the Internet."? Come on, enough of this partisan hackery (thank you John Stewart), lets spread the humor at the expense of politicians around on both sides of the fence.

Re:wow, irony (2, Insightful)

double-oh three (688874) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002080)

Except for the fact that for Gore this was a one-time statement that was actually true, or as close to true as you get with politicians. Dubya's misspeaks are actually funny, and besides, Gore is pretty much out of the public life now.

Re:wow, irony (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002070)

> Considering Gore never claimed to have invented the interne

No you're right, he claimed to have "created" it:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Gore

Either he's really fucking retarded, in that he doesn't know what those strange noises are leaving the hole in face, or he did mean it the way it came out, so you're retarded for believing he didn't intend for his bullshit to be taken literally by the average person. Either perspective leads to one of you being a complete fucking moron (possible both).

Speaking of misinformation... (4, Informative)

swordgeek (112599) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001829)

Al Gore NEVER CLAIMED TO HAVE INVENTED THE INTERNET!!!

NEVER!

NOT ONCE!

He did claim to have pushed for financing of it, which led to the development of it beyond its original boundaries. This is actually true! But he never claimed to have invented the internet.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1, Informative)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001852)

I strongly disagree with what you say:

Resources [sethf.com]

Quote:

"But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001883)

lol we both posted basically the same thing

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (4, Insightful)

EvilFrog (559066) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001988)

What Gore said was poorly worded, but true.

If Gore hadn't pushed for funding of the National Science Foundation to create nsfnet, the Internet wouldn't exist in the manner it is today.

Just change "took the initiative in creating the internet" with "ran the initiative to fund the creation of the internet" and you have a sentence that means the exact same thing yet can't be misinterpreted.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002015)

He's a politician... and a well heeled one... if GW had said a similarly incorrect statement, it would be extrapolated to hell by the left.. is it any surprise that the right would do the same?

He lied to me! remember.. getting revenge on someone for lying to you is more important than doing what's right.... right?

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002004)

It's really a matter of context. One of the things he did was push for funding of the Internet and such. When discussing his track record in Congress, he says he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." By "creating the Internet," he means the creation of the Internet /project/, not the product of that project.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (2, Insightful)

ThisNukes4u (752508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001872)

link [sethf.com]
He may not have meant for it to come out like he invented the Internet, but it sure sounds like it:

Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination process, support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former colleague in the Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily bring to this process?

GORE: Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1, Offtopic)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001953)

Wow, Americans must be politically astute people to nitpick over the phrasing of a failed presidential candidate!

Please explain some of the following also: [lunaville.org]

How the United States should react if Iraq acquired WMD. "The first line of defense...should be a clear and classical statement of deterrence--if they do acquire WMD, their weapons will be unusable because any attempt to use them will bring national obliteration." Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor

January/February 2000 issue of Foreign Affairs
2/1/2000
We are greatly concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction...In the case of Saddam Hussein, we've got a dictator who is clearly pursuing and already possesses some of these weapons.. A regime that hates America and everything we stand for must never be permitted to threaten America with weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Detroit, Fund-Raiser
6/20/2002
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002
There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest. Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002
We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002
Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002
The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas. George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002
And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons. George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002
Thanks for your time patriot! Because people are dying in Iraq and I want to know why.

Why? Ummm.... (0, Troll)

FallLine (12211) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002042)

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D-MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and w! ill likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly! grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Re:Why? Ummm.... (1, Offtopic)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002068)

And which one of these guys started a "pre-emptive" war based on this "intelligence." None of them. The blood is on the hands of Bush and the neocons.

Thanks for pointing out that that the two party system is pretty shitty here in the US, though.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1)

hazem (472289) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002113)

Wow, Americans must be politically astute people to nitpick over the phrasing of a failed presidential candidate!

No... sadly, we're just political asses... that toot a lot. It's a common misconception.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001990)

Which is true, he did! He took the iniative in opening arpanet to form the public internet. There is no misinformation there! He is the Senator who sponsored the bill, so he gets the credit, that be how it works, ja?

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1, Insightful)

MarkedMan (523274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001993)

But of course, analysis by sarcasm aside, Gore did take the initiative in creating the Internet. He was the one who proposed funding for it, he submitted the bill, he fought for it, he went around the country educating people on it, he worked closely with the technologists, he helped to get the Pentagon to agree (crucially important for historical reasons, since the internet backbone was built on a previously existing Defense network).

So, in fact, Gore did take the lead in CREATING the Internet. He absolutely never claimed to have INVENTED the internet, which would imply some kind of technology effort.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (1)

ThisNukes4u (752508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002071)

To reply to everyone who replied to me, I was not implying that I believed that he did invent the Internet, just saying that it does appear that he says that, and how it could be construed to sound like he did.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (5, Insightful)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002115)

He may not have meant for it to come out like he invented the Internet, but it sure sounds like it


And that's close enough for a good smear campaign, isn't it?


If you ever wonder why politicians so often sound like robots when they are speaking in public, this is why: because they have to constantly watch every single word they utter, to make sure that nothing they say (and no subset of anything they say) can be taken out of context and twisted against them. So instead of just speaking their position, they have to run this expensive (O(N^2)) political-defense algorithm on everything they say -- and since very few people can run that algorithm in real time, most politicians end up just repeating a few pre-vetted canned phrases over and over again.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001892)

i went to a lecture by Vint Cerf at the University of London a few years ago. Somebody jokingly brought up the Gore quote . Cerf defended Gore by saying that he (Gore) actually worked on the first drafts of legislation regarding the internet, and he never actually said that he 'invented' the internet, rather that he contributed in creating the framework that made it possible for the internet to grow.

Cheers
dennis

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001896)

What about the Dingle-Norwood bill?

What about the Dingle-Norwood bill?

WHAT ABOUT THE DINGLE-NORWOOD BILL??


There are reasons Gore lost. Claiming to have invented the Internet is just part of it. Get real.

Re:Speaking of misinformation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001908)

Heh... you said "dingle".

Mod this cocksucking faggot REDUNDANT (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002079)

Al Gore lost clean down in FLA
Al Gore claimed to have "created the Internet"
Michael Moore is a well documented LIAR
The BlackBoxVoting lady is a self serving demagogue who obscures the real issues surrounding e-voting
MacDonalds was no way at fault for the bitch burning herself with coffee but does serve all its coffee luke-warm because of her.

inventing the Internet (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001830)

The only people that claim Gore didn't invent the internet are fat, bible-thumping red-staters that voted for Bush.

If Gore had been President, the world would be a much better place.

Re:inventing the Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001886)

"The only people that claim Gore didn't invent the internet are fat, bible-thumping red-staters that voted for Bush."

Well, there are a lot of them, and they control the correct turf needed to rule.

Poor Al (3, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001838)

First the 2000 election was stolen from him, now the vast right-wing conspiracy is attempting to defrock him of his Internet-Inventor title.

When will Republicans stop picking on this man?

What claim? (4, Informative)

gabe (6734) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001840)

Who trusts snopes anymore? (1, Troll)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001884)

They proved themselves to be partisan hacks before. [snopes.com] And if in you're in the 'truth' business you don't do what they did to Michael Moore and remain trusted.

Granted, that article is correct, but their credibility was killed long ago.

Re:Who trusts snopes anymore? (4, Interesting)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002076)

Hey, it's the Karl Rove two-step, right here on Slashdot!
  1. Smear your opponent with a distortion, exaggeration, or outright falsehood.
  2. If anyone attempts to correct your distortion, find some tidbit from their past that can be used to prove they are "biased" and "untrustworthy" and loudly accuse them of partisan hackery. You can do this regardless of whether their current argument is valid or not -- that's too fine a distinction for the audience to care about.


At this point, the debate will move to discussing whether or not the countering party is trustworthy or not. Now no matter which way this debate goes, you've won! Your original accusation is now taken for granted, and another if the third party ever tries to correct your accusations again, you can now point to the current "debate" (that you just manufactured) to discredit them (and change the subject) even more quickly the next time.


Granted, that article is correct, but their credibility was killed long ago.


See, it works! No need to discuss facts anymore -- just say that the messenger has no credibility, and the facts are irrelevant!

Re:What claim? (1)

delibes (303485) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001928)

Thank you for the transcript link. I think I can see how the words:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

could be taken out of context. I mean, it has the participle 'creating' which is conceptually similar to 'inventing' in my mind. He could have said "ensuring that the development of the Internet had the funding it deserved", but that's not so snappy.

I think it's just the way things are that there's a tendency towards ambiguous statements in politics. That way, if you fsck up you can always try and claim you meant something else.

Re:What claim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001943)

From the article posted above:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." -- Gore

Seems fairly conclusive to me, allow me to change the word internet to something else (to illustrate my point):

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Moon. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." -- Gore

Or, how about:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Solar System. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." -- Gore

Finally:

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the meaning of life. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." -- Gore

Re:What claim? (0, Troll)

The FooMiester (466716) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002013)

Algore: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.

Snopes: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way.

So taking "the initiative in creating" something isn't inventing it? Am I unreasonable in thinking otherwise?

Re:What claim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002091)

Yeah... well.. snopes... what do you expect.
Putting a true/false/unknown on things that can only really be determined to a certain order of accuracy is bound to be riddled with innaccuracies and half truths.
The most intellectually honest would not attempt to make a judgement call on their own supposed 'facts'.
Would probably be more useful to find a way to require a visitor to read your facts, and then vote on whether it's convincing or not.

Snopes is, amazingly, one of the biggest disinformation sites out there.

Not in those exact words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002104)

You know, when I first read this story, I knew this would be posted. A lot. And this must be setting some kind of record for most redundant posts. And while I'm no big fan of George W. Bush, I have to wonder if he would have had so many defenders had he made such a statement that could be taken out of context.

Al Gore said something that made it sound like he created the Internet, which isn't significantly different from saying he invented it. Saying he was the responsible for creating the Internet is as absurd as saying he invented it. Perhaps he did
provide assistance in developing it, but he should've then said that he helped make the Internet what is is, rather than say he took the initiative to create it.

Don't forget (5, Funny)

dextromulous (627459) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001846)

Gore has ridden the mighty moon worm.

Al Gore's Internet (3, Informative)

jea6 (117959) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001847)

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm [snopes.com]

Re:Al Gore's Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001923)

It seems as though Al Gore is clearly implying that he played a vital part in *creating* the Internet by the quote that everyone is citing, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet..."

Before I read that quote, I assumed that it was just a popular myth or folklore'ish phrase accredited by mistake. But after reading the quote, I see it as pretty clear that he did in fact mean that he was one of the creators of the Internet. Invented and created are not the same thing but *for this instance* it's merely a choice of words to explain the same thing.

My read of that quote seems to be entirely different than the people who are posting it as evidence of what he didn't say. Did he say he had a part in "inventing" the Internet? No, you're right. Did he say he "took the initiative in creating the Internet"? Yes. It's just semantics or his choice of words. He said what he meant and the end result is that he implied that he played a vital role in creating the Internet.

If you want to disprove that he made such a claim, you're going to need to come up with a better quote than the one you've got because that quote only helps to prove that he was somewhat delusional.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002045)

Did he say he "took the initiative in creating the Internet"? Yes.

Which is true, he did play a part -- as a legislator. He tried to get some kudos for not being technically retarded (like most of the ppl he works with, I'd wager) and being one of the first to recognize the value of the internet to society (and doing something about it), but said it in a poorly worded way that made it sound like he was making a crazy claim.

But what he claimed was literally correct, he just never claimed to have invented the internet, which is the malicous smear tactic part of it.

That's the saddest part, he deserves some kudos for the internet, but most people "know" that he tried to steal credit over something he "obviously" didn't do.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1)

cyberon22 (456844) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002061)

The quote comes from an interview, not a prepared speech. That it is already *that* qualified suggests that Gore was being very careful to avoid overstating his contribution, and restrict them to the public policy domain.

Like or dislike the man for whatever reasons you want. But arguing that he claimed to invent the Internet is silly.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1)

spickus (513249) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001958)

" During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Nope, he didn't claim he invented the internet.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002069)

Goddamnit, when are you people going to get it through your little heads? NO WHERE DOES IT SAY HE INVENTED THE FUCKING INTERNET. He's talking about congressional initiatives, if you would take the time to actually read what the man said, and he IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001983)

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

How else exactly would you interpret that? I doubt this fool even knows what TCP/IP is. The claims that he made or were implying is just ridiculous and the man really thinks he had something to do with the internet.
Regards,
Steve

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002083)

I think Al Gore is a weirdo. Nevertheless he was speaking from a legislative perspective, not an engineering one: he sponsored two bills and government action that altered the arpanet into what we call the internet.

Re:Al Gore's Internet (1)

jbash (784046) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001985)

How is the parent post flamebait? I wish I could choose what to meda-moderate.

Yay! (0, Troll)

Clsid (564627) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001851)

Perhaps my very f1rst post :-) and just to remind the editors to actually use a spellchecker (Institue). The link has either been /.ed already or there is a problem with it. Somebody send me a cached copy please.

dnsalias? (3, Informative)

fembots (753724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001854)

I don't think anything can survive with a dnsalias address.

Coralized Pages [nyud.net] here.

Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (3, Insightful)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001861)

Gore never claimed to have "invented" the Internet. In fact, the claim that Gore claimed to have invented the Internet should be on the list for the impressive "Institue".

What Gore said is that in an 1999 interview with Wolf Blitzer, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." As Al Franken wrote [amazon.com] :

> The phrase "invented the Internet" first appeared in a
> Republican Party press release and would be repeated by the
> "liberal" press thousands of times during the campaign.

Snopes the urban legend debunking website reported [snopes.com] on this as well:

> Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the
> Internet.
> Status: False.
> Origins: No, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet,
> nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted
> that way. The derisive "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet"
> put-downs are misleading distortions of something he said
> (taken out of context) during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on
> CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999.

As the Boston Globe [Oct 17,2000] reported:

Gore did provide early support for the technology - even if he puffed up his role - but computer pioneers can't even agree on exactly what the Internet is, let alone who created it. ... Technical histories of the Internet refer mainly to the technical milestones along the way. Among all the techno-whizzes that get the credit, only one legislator is mentioned - Gore - despite the fact that every stage of the Internet's evolution was funded and directed by federal grants and initiatives.

Gore was widely credited in histories written long before the vice president's oft-derided comment to CNN reporter Wolf Blitzer that he ''took the initiative in creating the Internet.''

Gore is credited by the technological cognoscenti for having sponsored legislation that helped launch the expansion of the fledgling Internet to ever-wider uses. As early as 1986, Gore articulated a vision of widespread connected computing. In 1989, he said that ''the creation of this nationwide network ... will create an environment where work stations are common in homes and even small businesses.''

Two years later, he introduced a followup bill to expand access to the network, saying, ''In the future, I think we will see computers and networks used to teach every subject from kindergarten through grade school.''

None of these histories comes close to giving him credit for the ''creation'' of the Internet. One account, written by Vinton Cerf (widely known, though he eschews the title, as ''the father of the Internet''), states: ''I think the vice president is very deserving of credit for his active support for the Internet and the businesses that depend on it daily.''

Cerf, now a vice president at MCI-Worldcom, added that ''his remark was almost certainly a slip of the tongue, because he'd be quite correct to say `I helped create the Internet' - because of his work to provide an environment of support for research, technology transfer and e-commerce initiatives so fundamental to the Internet today.''

So, if the Republicans were working to trash Gore's reputation, I guess they could say "Mission Accomplished".

Taco, thanks for proving once again the old proverb, "a lie can make it halfway 'round the world before the truth gets its boots on."

Re:Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001925)

>Taco, thanks for proving once again the old proverb, "a lie can make it halfway 'round the world before the truth gets its boots on."

All too true. Gore was one of the few "geek" politicians out there (granted he wore many 'hats') and seeing his own record used against him to mock him because of some disturbing form of geek 31337 nonsense and media disinformation is really pathetic.

Oh well, my senator's email address is usually broken and when it works the emails get ignored. I've heard him talk about the tech sector on the radio and he wasn't half as articulate as most high school drop out failed MCSE's I know working at McDonalds.

Liberal media indeed!

Re:Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001936)

Sorry but that's bullshit.

He quite clearly said "I took the initiative in creating the internet."

There is *no* other way that that can be taken. He was trying to take the credit for the entire internet.

Re:Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (1)

dont_think_twice (731805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002025)

"I took the initiative in creating the apple pie"

That statement could be interperted to mean that I actually invented the apple pie. But you would have to be a moron to think that was actually what I meant.

Clearly, the intent of the statement was to claim that I had made a specific apple pie. Or, more specifically, I had initiated the creation of the apple pie - maybe by paying someone to make it, or by telling someone about my ideas, or just as a cheerleader.

Gore was claiming to have played a key role in the creation of the internet. There is nothing in his statement that implies he had anything do with with the technical aspects of its creation, nor is there anything in the statement that implies that he came up with the idea. All the statement says is that he "took the initiative" in "creating the internet" - not "invented the internet"

Re:Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001998)

It's still a lame statement typical of our sycophantic politicians taking credit for something popular well after the fact. And I am not a republican and doubt I will ever be one.

Re:Gore did not claim he invented the Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002110)

Hey... the right wing claims that Gore claimed to have created the internet are no less accurate than Gore's claim to have created the internet.

But we only account for context when defending the left wing here, don't we?
No right wing attacks on Gore were *only* attacks on this particular claim... so the left is doing the exact same thing by taking the right wing's claim out of context... good job guys.. show us how much smarter you are then those evil redstaters!

The Institue of Internet History was founded... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001869)

...before the invention of the spellchecker.

The Future (1)

jacen_sunstrider (797955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001880)

I think that it's the future of the internet, ie who's going to invent the next better thing for the internet, that really matters, as opposed to the back and forth left vs right arguments we've heard for the last 5 years. I would more say that the person/people who first developed, say, javascript or PHP, etc, should be rewarded more, since that is part of what's made the internet so grand. On the flip side, the inventor of the internet also, by connection, has helped create the hideous spam producers. I say we lynch him just for that!

Re:The Future (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001937)

Let me be the first to predict that spyware and the like will kill MS within 12 months (as in "12 months from some unspecified date in the future") because computers running window will die before they can serve any useful function, and the only viable solution will be insert penguin here) Un*x.

INSTITUE??? (SIC) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001909)

Hey Taco! yeh you! how about taking your head out of your arse and correcting typos??

Re:INSTITUE??? (SIC) (0, Flamebait)

cybertears (778765) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002053)

The proctologist called, they found taco's head.

It seems (5, Funny)

NIK282000 (737852) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001926)

That site is internet history as well.

Mandatory Correction of Gore Quote (2, Informative)

MarkedMan (523274) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001931)

Gore never claimed to have "invented" the Internet. He did, however, correctly take credit for chairing the committee that created the Internet (and yes, the Internet was a government creation). Our bilious politics and the American (and French) habit of analysis by sarcasm, coupled with the media's and citizenry's incredible laziness, led to the damaging sound bites.

This is from the Daily Howler's excellent analysis of this whole issue (http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml) It starts several paragraphs into the piece:

Martin Walker wrote this in The Guardian:

WALKER (12/30/88): American computing scientists are campaigning for the creation of a "superhighway" which would revolutionise data transmission.

Legislation has already been laid before Congress by Senator Albert Gore of Tennessee, calling for government funds to help establish the new network, which scientists say they can have working within five years, at a cost of Dollars 400 million.

Re:Mandatory Correction of Gore Quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002003)

> Gore never claimed to have "invented" the Internet.

You're right, he claimed to have "created" the internet.

Here is the exact quote from Al Gore. (0, Redundant)

jbash (784046) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001956)

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

Does that sound like he's saying he invented the Internet? It doesn't to me either.

Source of the quote: http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm

lies, damn lies... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11001961)

never mind the fact that Gore never said that, you might want to check what the actual quote is before repeating the rumer.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm
"Duri ng my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

but this is slashdot.

History History History (1)

proudlyindian (781206) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001966)

Hisory of internet site explains and showcases the era between invention of internet and discovery of slashdot.org.

The "Hisory of internet site" now exists on the historical site archive.org :P

Very realistic (4, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001969)

From the front page:

This Institute of Internet History (IOIH) is dedicated to the recording and documenting the history of the Internet...

Click here to start the journey...

Right now it is loading about as fast as a BBS login screen downloading at 300baud to a paper terminal. Talk about a realistic tour of the beginnings of the internet!

Who's seen an IMP? (2, Informative)

chiph (523845) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001971)

All those who have seen an IMP in person, raise your hand.

{raises hand}

I saw some BBN technicians install an IMP while I was stationed at McClellan AFB in 1985-6. It took up 4 racks (but probably could have fit in 3). At the time, I had no clue what it was for.

Chip H.

raise hand (1)

keithmoore (106078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002125)

Saw an IMP at Carnegie-Mellon University on December 8, 1980 - the same day John Lennon was shot. (sigh)

how terrible (2, Insightful)

ImTheDarkcyde (759406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001989)

i do beleive that the last 3/4ths of posters are "off topic" or "redundant"

the 3rd or so post linked to the al gore invented the internet, now there are about 20 more to the same site.

so is there a mirror of the article somewhere for us to read?

Re:how terrible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002064)

Actually reading the article? You must be new here

Re:how terrible (1, Informative)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002096)

> i do beleive that the last 3/4ths of posters are "off topic" or
> "redundant"

> the 3rd or so post linked to the al gore invented the internet,
> now there are about 20 more to the same site.

Redundant doesn't mean simultaneous.

Look at the time stamps for the posts. They're all about the same time. Clearly people read the line and decided to hit reply. In the time it takes for someone to type a response and hit send, is the difference in when they were posted. Note that the longer responses are posted slightly later.

I think "redundant" should be left for someone posting a link to Snopes or whatever a half-a-day later. Not for the case where several of people write a similar response at the same time. Particularly in the case where this is fact checking.

This is no different than if Taco posted an article with the statement, "and as we know the moon is made out of green cheese"; you'd probably have a lot of posts submitted at the same time questioning that. Not redundant, just simultaneous.

In our days (2, Funny)

karvind (833059) | more than 9 years ago | (#11001997)

In our days we used smoke signal .....

Re:In our days (2, Funny)

cpghost (719344) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002043)

In our days we used smoke signal .....

But only with a pure ALOHA protocol!

Institute of Internet History (1)

base_chakra (230686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002018)

This "institute" must be brand spankin' new because there doesn't seem to be any links to it or information about it anywhere. It's not indexed by Yahoo or Google, and there's nothing on Usenet. If the project actually lives up to its name it could be an incredible resource, but so far it looks like a pet project with an ill-planned launch.

As a technophile and a cultural studies nut, I'm really interested in the kind of chronicle that the IOIH alleges to offer.

Btw, sorry to interrupt the Al Gore free-for-all.

Re:Institute of Internet History (3, Informative)

jnik (1733) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002065)

It's hosted on a dynamic IP service..i.e. someone's home box. It has the slashdot "funny" icon on it. Even without being able to read TFA, I suspect you'll be disappointed.

Pong did it (3, Interesting)

shadowsurfr1 (746027) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002038)

I still give credit to pong [shadowsurfr1.mine.nu] for inventing it.

You call that a history? (4, Informative)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002039)

This [isoc.org] is history.

From ISOC [isoc.org] .

A brief summary (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002059)

For those of you joining us just now, here's a brief summary of the comments so far:
"LOL!!!! U AR SOOO DUM! 4LG0R3 DID NOT SAE HE INTERVENTED THE INTARNET! HE CRAETED IT! LOL!!! SOOPID RERPUBLICANTS!!"

here's a history (1)

Prince Vegeta SSJ4 (718736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11002085)

here's a brief history http://gsulaw.gsu.edu/lawand/papers/sp98/jones.htm l

The early industrial internet isn't dead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11002122)

At least, ioih.org still seems to be steam-powered after all these years.
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