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Daring to Dream: Apple & IBM

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the an-unlikely-marriage dept.

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Anonymous writes "The Register has a comment piece of the marriage (speculative) between IBM and Apple. Although wildly speculative, it is not improbable. With IBM already supplying PowerPCs to Apple and Apple having not signed up to IBM's PowerPC consortia, there are hints in this get-together. Apple would also supply IBM with the "lifestyle" side of things. If it does happen, it would be most interesting."

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it.slashdot.org (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008495)

it = sex?

Re:it.slashdot.org (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008610)

Yeah teh Appel is teh greateset sex-fest evaR!!!

--
Steve "Blow" Job

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008496)

Apple & IBM Dreamteam
First?

Um.... no. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008499)

This is laughable.

Can you imagine? (2, Funny)

wcitechnologies (836709) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008502)

Can you imagine? The instabilities you've always wanted (on a Mac) but never thought you could afford?

Whoof (5, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008504)

I just had a weird waking dream. Charlie Chaplain, on roller skates, was brandishing his cane at the Big Brother screen in the 1984 commercial.

I need more coffee...

Re:Whoof (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008528)

Who is this Charlie Chaplain you speak of? Some sort of priest on roller skates? You know what would be funny? If he dressed like Charlie Chaplin.

Re:Whoof (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008538)

I'm in central Europe (therefore it's late enough to be drinking wodka) and thought much along same lines... still it's a fantastic idea

.... I need more wodka

Re:Whoof (0)

adeydas (837049) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008688)

ya, this could put M$ out of business... ofcourse the apple-IBM merger would become another M$ in the process, so who cares...

Re:Whoof (1)

falkryn (715775) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008785)

wow, that's going back. now you're bringing up memories of the ibm junior (?) and such... Meh, I was a commodore man (well, boy really).

"lifestyle" (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008508)

As in: bloody anus, loose stools and HIV?

2400c (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008511)

Didn't IBM manufacture that machine for Apple?

Big Brother (5, Funny)

phloydde1 (528605) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008516)

I think the first thing that would happen if such a merger took place would be that all the copies and references to the "big brother" superbowl commercial would somehow mysteriously disappear.

frsto (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008517)

Apple + IBM = mmmmm....

buy (3, Interesting)

oneishy (669590) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008519)

so should I buy apple or IBM stock?

Re:buy (3, Insightful)

Nerftoe (74385) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008550)

More like, "which one should I short?"

Short neither (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008662)

IBM has very little to lose considering it's size and product diversity. IBM will open a whole new market for apple and if apple is the target of a takeover it will command a premium, thus the value of the stock will go up.

Except... (5, Insightful)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008520)

IBM is a company focused on growing its services biz and Apple has none.

Apple is primarily a B2C company and IBM is B2B.

Cultural differences make east vs west like the definition of homogenized

Steve Jobs and his amazing ego

Yeah, except for a few trivial things, it could happen. Hey, frogs could grow claws and live in toilets too!

Re:Except... (5, Interesting)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008589)

Hey, frogs could grow claws and live in toilets too!

Cool! That would be akin to my lifelong dream of an asteroid passing the planet and infecting all bears with some kind of mutation that would make them as big as godzilla and give them a taste for people filled buildings. Life is too boring without that kind of thing happening more often.

In other news... didn't Jobs market the Mac as being anti-suit, anti-corporate, anti-business, anti-IBM originally? Oh well, if we had republicans voting for Kerry and deomcrats voting for Bush this past election, ANYTHING is possible.

Re:Except... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008595)

  • IBM is a company focused on growing its services biz and Apple has none.
  • # Apple is primarily a B2C company and IBM is B2B.

Err... isn't that part of the whole idea? Why would you merge or buy a company for something you are already good at? The article is based around the fact that the two companies are a natural complement to each other, and these points you make merely support that hypothesis.

Re:Except... (5, Interesting)

four2five (645777) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008604)

I'll give you the ego bullet hands down, and the cultural one is also valid but I would argue the first two. As the article states, apple has tried, with limited success, to get into the HPC and business side of things. The XRAID is, $ for $, some of the best cheap/dumb disk out there. With IBM filling the high - middle end, apple could come in on the low end of business hardward and help out. With IBM pimping Apple's business products they could gain ground fast.
IBM growing it's services biz and apple not having one is okay, they compliment each other. Apple has a reputation for building easy to use interfaces on top of *nix hardware/software. I'ved used OS X server and it makes running apache/mysql/etc. a lot easier for a *nix novice.
I've been a long time apple fan and I would be cautious of this merger. I'd hate to see apple's "style" or whatever you want to call it formed into the mainstream by the behemouth that is big blue.

Re:Except... (4, Funny)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008701)

Here's another: They knew that the Slashdotters were getting tired of the normal "Apple is going bankrupt" rumor and we needed to spice things up with a " is going to buy Apple" story.

Re:Except... (3, Interesting)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008737)

Hey, frogs could grow claws and live in toilets too!


I found a giant tree frog in my toilet one morning. When I tried to fish him out, he retreated down the hole and I had to get to work. He wasn't there when I got home. About a month later, moving a desk, I found his mummified body.

Re:Except... (5, Funny)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008787)

Hey, frogs could grow claws and live in toilets too!


I have just overcome my fear of sharks in the toilet. I hope you realize you've just ruined my life.

-Peter

Re:Except... (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008806)

Hey, frogs could grow claws and live in toilets too!

Not only are there already clawed frogs, their genome is being sequenced [wustl.edu] . They don't normally live in toilets, though.

IB-Apple (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008522)

IB-Apple
i(B)Apple
Apple'BM
iAppleBeMe
BeMiApp le
?

A wedding? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008529)

Who's the bride? The apple users?

Re:A wedding? (1)

youngerpants (255314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008622)

Yup, because they'll be the ones who get fscked over all this.

Despite popular opinion, I really dislike IBM hardware. I've had to sit back and watch dozens of their shoddy server motherboards give up the ghost in a space of a few months.

One thing that IBM do have which will sweeten the deal for Apple is their R&D

Intel vs. Motorola? (1)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008530)

IBM: traditional Intel house
Apple: traditional Motorola house

Can this mixed marriage work?

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (5, Informative)

pknoll (215959) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008573)

IBM: traditional Intel house Apple: traditional Motorola house

IBM makes far more money selling POWER-based machines and their other non-Intel hardware than they do selling PCs.

Apple computers now use chips made by IBM; the PowerPC CPU was a joint venture by IBM, Apple, and Motorola.

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008574)

Apple is now an IBM house.

See how that works?

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (1)

pyite (140350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008582)

Uhm, you do realize Apple uses IBM chips in their machines, right? They keep moving away from Motorola. Every so often they have a relapse, but there's a clear cooperation between Apple and IBM.

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008599)

I think you're missing the point! IBM is also an IBM house. IBM is selling it's intel based PC business.

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (1)

bhima (46039) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008618)

If you hadn't noticed Apple is going to IBM for most of their new CPUs.

And IBM has a lot more to offer/Sell than intel products (surely they'd rather sell POWER based anything) and all they are missing is a desktop product... like OS X (the best one out).

Don't forget Cell & BlueGene/L!

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (1)

Refrag (145266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008691)

Apple has been an IBM/Motorola house since the foundation of PowerPC.

Re:Intel vs. Motorola? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008777)

> IBM: traditional Intel house
> Apple: traditional Motorola house

What millenium are you living in?

IBM just announced that they're selling off their PC business (i.e. their volume Intel stuff).

Apple hasn't been a "Motorola house" since they spurned the m88k as the successor for the m68k, the m88k, like 15 years ago, opting for IBM's Power architecture instead. Motorola had its hand in there too, but ob.conspiracy:

http://trollaxor.com/text/conspiracy.html

I Have A Better Idea, Again: +1, Patriotic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008533)


Re-select George W. Bush [whitehouse.org] as President of Iraq.

Seditously as always,
Kilgore Trout

whore! (0, Troll)

cshah 1 (803515) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008534)

So why is IBM whoring its self out?? First they wanna sell their company to china, now this.

In other news... (4, Funny)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008541)

Vegas chance odds for Snowball vs. Hell have gone from 1:17500 to 1:225 on news regarding this merger. Business analyst Geoff Meitzer said, "This is the snowball's best chance since Sega announced they would be making games for Nintendo."

...

Seriously, how implausible would this have sounded 15 years ago?

Re:In other news... (3, Interesting)

mccalli (323026) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008667)

Seriously, how implausible would this have sounded 15 years ago?

Not at all - this was being touted 15 years ago. The whole Pink/Taligent/Magic thing was an Apple and IBM alliance (I may get some codenames mixed up, anyone who knows the ones I'm looking for please jump in). I can remember reading this on the long since defunt UK weekly New Computer Express.

It was actually more plausible then too. IBM were still a major power in the PC world, and Windows dominance hadn't completely taken over.

Cheers,
Ian

That would make Apple a worthless brand (1)

hisholiness (32875) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008543)

Most of the Apple hardcore loyalists would drop Apple like it had a big nasty worm.

I doubt Jobs would sell Apple. And IBM getting rid of their PC division because it has no profit potential. I doubt they would be able to better manage Apple than Apple can by itself.

I say this is a speculative unlikelyhood.

cfs

Good point (2, Insightful)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008624)

That would free Apple of it's tiny following to pursue the other 99% of the market. Not bad!


[Owner/Operator of iBook G4 and Dell 5150]

Re:That would make Apple a worthless brand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008776)

I don't think it is up to Jobs to choose, it's the stockholders that make the choice to sell or not. And if the price is right Jobs can say whatever he wants to no effect..

Taligent (4, Informative)

sparkhead (589134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008544)

Do people not remember Taligent [wildcrest.com] ?

Re:Taligent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008739)

Do people not remember Taligent?

No.

IBM + Apple = good news for Linux (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008548)

Apple gets the actual driver source code from nVidia and ATi for graphics cards. This might mean that Linux users might finally gets 3D graphics capabilites on PPC and maybe even some decent Radeon support on x86 for the 9500 series and up.

Re:IBM + Apple = good news for Linux (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008642)

I'd be willing to be the way it's licensed to them is not compatible in any way with the GPL. So no.

Re:IBM + Apple = good news for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008680)

This is # 11008548. I meant that, if anything, binary drivers like what nVidia makes now for x86 would become available. I doubt Nvidia or ATi will ever release GPL'ed drivers. But hey, binary is better than nothing. Unless you use Gentoo. In which case, this doesn't affect you.

Re:IBM + Apple = good news for Linux (1)

ip_fired (730445) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008661)

That may be, but you'll notice Apple doesn't publish the source code to the graphics cards. IBM wouldn't be able to release it either (and you're not allowed to look at the code and then go and write something similar either).

I guess they could make a binary driver for it just like they do on x86 linux now though.

Re:IBM + Apple = good news for Linux (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008793)

IBM doesn't care, they stole the SysV code for linux, why not steal ATi and nVidias?

Would never happen... (1, Insightful)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008549)

Not only are the companies' cultures VASTLY different and would never mesh well, there isn't a feasible synergy among the two. It would not make business sense I believe.

Re:Would never happen... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008576)

there isn't a feasible synergy among the two

I must admit I'm not very familiar with the Management language, but isn't that exactly the same thing you said in the first part of the sentence?

you lose it (4, Funny)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008658)

Mesh? Feasible? Synergy?! Higher than 10% buzzword-to-intelligence ratio. Post ignored.

Re:Would never happen... (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008714)

Well comparing to IBMs old PC market vs Apple shows the big divide in culture.

Take a look at IBMs ThinkPad Line. Look at a Newer Thinkpad model verses one 5-10 years ago. They look almost the same (the new ones my be a little smaller but it is still a black angular plasic box. Now compare apples line for ibooks and powerbook. From the Toilet Seat design and Black Box to Shiny Metal and White Plasic. I am not saying one is better then the other but a dramitic difference in culture between IBM and Apple Apple designed for the always changing demmands of the more liberal customers. And IBM makes products for the more consertive customer. It has always been that way. If IBM and Apple were one side or the other would probably give after time.

They're probably just waiting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008551)

If Apple's going to say anything, they'll prolly do it at MWSF, or whatever their next conference/gathering of the faithful is.

Yawn - next rumor, please. (4, Insightful)

dgrgich (179442) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008554)

Can anyone actually see Mr. Jobs actually going for this? I think that this rumor has as much credence as the old saw about Apple switching to an Intel/AMD processor for new Macs.

There is absolutely NO way that Steve would let this happen. Apple is EXACTLY where they want to be - they may occupy a niche in the PC market but they are trying -- and succeeding -- at being the BMW/Porsche of personal computing rather than GM. They are making money hand over fist, increasing shareholder wealth at a nice pace, and doing all of this with some kick-ass products. Going to IBM would flark all of that up quicker than fast.

Re:Yawn - next rumor, please. (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008729)

Can anyone actually see Mr. Jobs actually going for this?

[Steve Reality Distortion Field, engage!]

Yup, sounds like a great idea.

BMW? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008786)

You're saying that Apple owners are jerks?

Apple Not Signed Up? (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008555)

I think it's odd that they're saying that Apple isn't signed up on the PowerPC "consortia." I was under the assumption that IBM was going to provide the G5's, as Motorola proved to be inadequate for the task; since Motorola was having trouble making enough G4's or whatever. Well, that would be interesting. I mean, personally, I think IBM and Apple make the best laptops around. Both are sturdy and reliable; they both just work.

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008557)

Isn't that ironic.

And Also... (1)

moonfarm (26954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008561)

IBM is selling it's computer division to a chinese company, getting out of the personal PC business.

Good for IBM, not so good for Apple? (1)

neuro.slug (628600) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008566)

While such a "marriage" (read: merge?) would provide benefits for both companies, Apple could lose it's "cool" image that has helped it dominate the digital music market. IBM isn't known to be hip. Although us geeks know they are way cooler than MS, the general public envisions men in business suits when they hear IBM mentioned.

-- n

Re:Good for IBM, not so good for Apple? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008754)

Apple could lose it's "cool" image that has helped it dominate the digital music market. IBM isn't known to be hip.


Fashion designers wear suits too, only they look good doing it, instead of like broken-down salarymen. Picture the Board at IBM showing up wearing bespoke mauve mohair suits, silk carnation through the lapel, and razor-sharp mod cuts draped across their faces, and you'll understand the effect this merger could have in IBMs corporate "culture".

Supply IBM with the "lifestyle" side of things (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008579)

You mean the condoms, kind bud, and etchings? Just talk to that guy in the black turtleneck.

From the Steve Jobs Collection of products. It's a good thing.

Apple & IBM (1)

Refrag (145266) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008580)

They've been partners for many, many years. Long before IBM started producing the G5 for them. The G3 that Apple used in their iBooks were IBM CPUs and Apple, IBM, and Motorola were joined in the PowerPC consortia at the birth of the architecture.

No way (1)

smcd (634) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008586)

IBM would be competitive with Apple in the desktop PC market so they'd have to sell....WAIT A SEC....

IBM sells... [com.com]

Re:No way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008726)

and it would be stupid unless there was a really amazing new CPU.... ah!

Lemmings commercial (1)

purplejacket (581360) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008601)

If this happens I'd like them to do a remake of the famous lemmings commercial [flamingmailbox.com] . And I'd like it to be honest: if Apple and IBM can merge, how was such an enormous gulf spanned over time?

Lifestyle is why IBM should NOT do it (1)

NaCh0 (6124) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008606)

Face it, Apple is all about the gay lifestyle. Nobody in their straight mind wants some faggy looking device in their sight.

Ali-G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008609)

Ali-G would call it "AIBM"

Change from RUMOR to WILD SPECULATION (4, Interesting)

artemis67 (93453) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008617)

The basis of this whole story is that Apple is absent from the PPC Consortium roster? Yikes!

For all we know, some editor could have forgot to put Apple's name in there. Or maybe Apple is still sitting on the fence about it, who knows. But this isn't even a "rumor" yet.

There was a time when DEC and Apple were ... (1)

cpuffer_hammer (31542) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008628)

I remember back in the late 80s there was a time when DEC and Apple were talking. DEC haveing never built a "PC" or home computer that cought on. Apple haveing no Server class systems.

There were wispers of Vaxen as BIG MACS or MAC as a little VAX.

My contact at the time (VP level if I remember correctly) would not talk about it in a mammer that suggested that there was something to it.

Microsoft hater's wet-dream.. (2, Funny)

d_jedi (773213) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008634)

That's about all this is.
Mark my word, it ain't gonna happen.

ridiculous (5, Insightful)

jhwang (214546) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008635)

IBM exists to serve corporate customers. Large corporations are not clamoring for apple (I say this as the happy owner of an iBook).

IBM has to have compelling reasons to think it can make money by convincing either (1) corporations to buy macs or (2) consumers to buy from IBM.

Let's look at the price tag. Since Apple's current market cap is $25 billion dollars, IBM would have to pay something in that range to purchase Apple.

To put things in perspective, IBM is expected to receive $1-2 billion from the sale of its existing PC business. IBM has about $10 billion in cash in the bank.

Does IBM have the money? Only by issuing more debt (IBM has about $22 Billion in debt already) OR by purchasing Apple using IBM stock which would dilute shareholder value.

Does IBM have the will and/or stupidity to pursue such a deal? NO.

the new chic (2, Interesting)

zoloto (586738) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008639)

Hitching up with Apple would provide IBM with a real inroad into the fast growing 'lifestyle' market, something the men and women in blue suits kind of missed. Perhaps most of all, it would be a way for IBM to get even with Microsoft for all that bad blood over the early versions of Windows, which IBM partnered in, and apparently accidentally part-funded. Remember that what IBM got out of that for its money was an operating systems that chairman Gerstner famously named Warp, which turned out to be the speed at which it hurtled into oblivion.


I can see teh future of IMB/APPLE laptops being the new chic. High class execs and those that want the style and performance of IBM/APPLE will buy these. Hot damn, I can picture this being the downfall of Microsoft. Now I'm not one to point a finger at anything *nix or not and proclaim the death of MS, but with this I can see it actually happening within the better half of a decade.

I'd buy it.

random evangelism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008677)

I do not know and I do not care what Apple does vis a vis IBM. All I care about is that they continue to put out the best portable and desktop computers on the planet.

For shits and giggles, I tried to stress test my (fantastic) new iMac G5. I set a fullscreen background image from my iPhoto library. Then I ran a fullscreen DVD on top of that. Then I ran a 90% sized quicktime video on top of that. Then I placed a mostly-transparent Terminal on top of that with a half-second top update rate.

And nothing hitched, stuttered, garbled, or in any way misbehaved.

And this was at 1600x1200x32bpp. On the second monitor. Off of a single 1.8Ghz G5.

Show me any software stack or hardware solution or WHATEVER that works even remotely as well as this fantastic machine, and I'll buy somewhere else. Until then, viva Apple and IBM. I don't care who buys what or whatever, just keep selling this platform and millions will come around.

Next Merger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008682)

Yeah, Apple will finish talks with Big Blue as soon as it finishes merging with Sony, Palm, Disney, and HP (in that order).

Anyone remember Bash Big Blue? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008690)

An old game for MacOS 6 and 7... the IBM logo would pop up all over the screen; the goal of the game was to click on the logo before the next one would pop up. Failiure meant that your mac's screen was filled with those evil IBM logos... ah, how times change.

I think I speak for all of us (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008692)

I think I speak for all of us when I say Fish use electric power to destroy mass media!

IF this was (1)

harryoyster (814652) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008696)

If this was to occur this would be one of the best mergers in recent time. This would give IBM one of the best quality product lineups in the portable / fad market. If this merger went through it would also allow IBM and Apple to boost the PPC system. Perhapse even adopt the AMD-64 as people have reported in the past but its very unlikely. Go For it!

Very, very old, obligatory joke (5, Funny)

nsayer (86181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008706)

Q. What to you get when you combine Apple and IBM?

A. IBM.

Shamelessly stolen from Apple Confidential [nostarch.com] .

Re:Very, very old, obligatory joke (5, Funny)

savagedome (742194) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008774)

I am thinking iBM ;)

IBM selling PC division (2, Interesting)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008707)

so why on earth would they want to get involved with Apple?
Its all about return on capital and as the Ipod thing fades (at least from a margin standpoint) Apple once again reverts to a niche player without great prospects for increased return on assets or equity.

This is not to say that Apple wont make money or continue to evolve, it just doesn't make sense financially for IBM to be involved.

My Christmas wish... (2, Interesting)

karmaflux (148909) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008709)

...is an iBook with a trackpoint.

Re:My Christmas wish... (1)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008766)

Maybe even a mouse with more than one button?!!

IBM sells PC business (1)

doghouse41 (140537) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008741)

And I'm sure that this rumor has nothing to do with the news that IBM is trying to sell it's "Ibm PC" business. Could it be that it sees more margin in Apples than PCs?

Google is also involved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008749)

Actually, IBM will buy Google, which in turn will buy Apple.

The combined company will be called "Garbble".

Deja Vu (1)

gtrubetskoy (734033) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008752)


Who here remembers rumors about Apple merging with Sun back in the early 90's? Didn't happen...

...and leave analysts scratching their heads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008753)

IBM gains little by playing favorites with Apple. Apple is great at user experience - but at a premium. How does this help IBM? I don't think companies have such long term resentment - it's all about money. Does it help them to add a 3rd major UNIX-like OS to their portfolio? Remember their Linux investments in RedHat and SuSE? Does it help IBM to partner with Apple, who has a weak web services strategy? Remember those web services alliances with Microsoft and webMethods? A move like the one you described would place a big strain on those partnerships and leave analysts scratching their heads for no good reason.

I think that this recent dumping of the PC division is a repositioning in order to clobber Sun in the upcoming "Solaris vs. Linux in the datacenter" war and also to become the world's first true mass market grid computing utility company.

Rumors, Rumors every where (1)

Efialtis (777851) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008759)

Earlier we read a story on /. where IBM was selling their Computer side of business... WHy would they get involved with Apple if they are planning on selling? Maybe Apple is looking to buy? --E

both companies on way to oblivion (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008765)

Sorry, people. Computers are ho-hum commodity items. No serious person really gives a damn about the latest "fastest pc in the world" anymore. Sure, there are your righteous reality distortion field types and your "you can't get fired buying IBM" droids, but they are dying breeds.

In business investing, the cutting edge eventually turns out to be a sinkhole: railroads, airlines and ... now ... computers.

No way. Not with IBM dumping the PC division (2, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008769)

Clearly, IBM is exiting that business. Given that the iPod is taking off while Apple desktop market share remains tiny, Apple's direction is becoming clear. The computer business is becoming a drag on the stock, tying up too much capital without generating revenue in proportion. At some point, Apple will probably sell off its computer business and become an entertainment products company.

Right, except for the delivery problems (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008778)

Apple having not signed up to IBM's PowerPC consortia, there are hints in this get-together

That might have something to do with IBM's near incompetence dating back years. They've never been able to supply the # of chips Apple needs to meet demand for systems. High end G5 systems have been trickling out the door because there simply aren't enough processors from IBM to satisfy demand. IBM always drags their feet with the latest mhz bump, and the delivery rate is probably because of yield problems on the higher speed chips.

IBM selling off PC Division (2)

REDSECTOR1 (695888) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008781)

IBM and Apple merger would be interesting, especially in light of the fact that there are talks about IBM selling off their PC division ... http://www.theregister.com/2004/12/03/ibm_pc_jv_le novo/ [theregister.com]

It would not be an aquisition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008783)

Apple becoming part of ibm would be bad for everyone. Apple and IBM are so different in culture, so forget about a good marriage. But IBM selling Apple desktops and building software to manage the desktops is where IBM wants to go. If you haven't looked recently windows on the corporate desktop is a bad idea. IBM could sell on CIO fear about virii and spyware.

New logo (2, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008799)

Probably be the Apple logo with horizontal lines through it, kinda like a sliced up apple. Wait that doesn't sound good.

Or is this just Apple's way of taking over everything that start with the letter I? Ipod, Imac, IBM.....

Worst merger ever! (1)

csoto (220540) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008801)

IBM is about doing everything for you. Apple is about stroking your ego. Thery're totally incompatible ideals.

Granted, I think both companies have brilliant ideas, and spinning off PCs is a great idea for IBM, since they care more about a few $1 billion contracts than several million sales in which they made all of $20 profit.

Another Load... (5, Interesting)

fearboy (309735) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008805)

You'd think that by now, more people would've figured out a basic trait of Steve Jobs: he's got his own will, and he'll hit eject before he compromises it. A lot of people think that means he has a huge ego, and maybe he does, but that's not the point - he's spent an awfully long time trying to make the world see things his way, and he's not going to stop just because someone offers him a pile of cash.

A lot of industry writers don't seem interested in understanding Apple's motivation (which of course means trying to understand Steve), so they ascribe standard corporate motives, and we end up with wild-ass rumors like this. But of course that doesn't work, and they're wrong a lot (they're right sometimes too, but how many crazy rumors have you heard?), and so the industry looks at Apple like they're the crazy unpredictable man-child of computing. Who happened to get lucky once or twice with the iMac and maybe the iPod. Won't happen again.

But the thing is, they don't want to be on par with other manufacturers, and they don't want to beat them at their own game. Apple wants to change the rules and beat the others at Apple's game. That's the approach they've taken for a long time - iPod being probably the best example. It's also why Apple won't release a sub-$1000 machine, even though it might mean huge market share.

So in short, the article's another load of poorly thought-out crap. The idea that IBM could/would buy Apple is like saying that when you hit the lottery, your boss will be cleaning your house - the transaction has to go both ways, and as willing as IBM may be (and I'm betting they're not), Apple won't bite.

IBM PowerPC consortia (2, Interesting)

levin (170168) | more than 9 years ago | (#11008807)

Apple is one of the original three to develop the PowerPC architecture in the AIM (Apple, IBM, Motorola) alliance in the first place. I would imagine that their membership/input would be defacto in IBM's eyes. The fact that they aren't on the list to sign up doesn't mean they aren't already involved in this group, and it isn't really compelling evidence that Apple and IBM are set to merge.

Don't get me wrong, I think that'd be pretty cool and may happen. I just don't see this as very good evidence given the circumstances surrounding PPC and Apple's seminal involvement in the architecture.

Bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11008809)

A great company taking over a crappy one. No matter how you wrap it, sh*t is still sh*t.
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