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Release Notes (4, Informative)

Tiberius_Fel (770739) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017486)

Release notes are available here: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/releas es/ [mozilla.org]

Re:Release Notes (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017861)

Release notes are available here: http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/releas es/

Which makes one wonder why slashdot feels the need to post a frontpage article everytime some product-line from Mozilla makes a new release, releases a patch, changes its name (thank god thats over), etc, etc.

Seriously, I don't get how exactly this stuff is news. It's getting tiresome already. I wouldn't mind if it was once a year or something "Thunderbird 2.0 is now out", but it's every week or so and its brutal (Thunderbird 1.0.1b is out!).

Icons (2, Informative)

ack154 (591432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017495)

Mmm... since 1.0PR - new, pretty icons!

Re:Icons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017540)

Anything you say is taken with complete disregard, so long as you have that stupid iPod scam in your sig.

Re:Icons (0, Offtopic)

Freexe (717562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017649)

scam?

Re:Icons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017729)

> scam?

Pyramid scheme = scam

Re:Icons (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017734)

Only to uneducated slashdot IT imbeciles is a pyramid scheme not a scam.

Re:Icons (0, Offtopic)

Freexe (717562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017847)

Well, at least I'm the next on the list for my cheap laptop from ebay

Not so stupid now!

Memory Footprint (4, Interesting)

TrollBridge (550878) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017510)

Maybe it's just my own perception, but Thunderbird seems to be a bit bulky, judging by how long it takes to open. Am I totally out of my league here, or is Thunderbird a little chunky?

Re:Memory Footprint (1)

Peden (753161) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017534)

It goes fast enough here, have you removed spyware lately ? :)

Re:Memory Footprint (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017569)

Trust me, I'm a Spyware Nazi when it comes to my system.

Re:Memory Footprint (0, Offtopic)

Freexe (717562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017692)

Did hitler ever refer to himself as a Jew Nazi?

Re:Memory Footprint (1)

Zorilla (791636) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017554)

I use Thunderbird in Linux, but because of clunkiness of third party mail clients, I have stuck with Outlook Express in Windows because it gets the job done. There's not much of a security risk anyway if you know what you're doing. The SP2 version blocks images by default now, anyway.

Re:Memory Footprint (2, Informative)

ack154 (591432) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017559)

Doesn't seem very slow to me, but I'm opening it on a 2.8ghz w/ 1gb ram. Do you have an older system? Any extensions/themes installed? Have you tried to recreate the profile?

Re:Memory Footprint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017617)

Actually my system is quite new: 1.7GHz Centrino with 1+GB RAM.

Re:Memory Footprint (1)

sparkhead (589134) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017565)

Seems a little large here as well. On Windows I've been running Foxmail since forever, and it does everything mail related very well in much less memory.

The RSS/newsgroup functionality of Thunderbird is great, but the memory footprint is huge.

Re:Memory Footprint (2, Interesting)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017615)

Agree. When I was running it on PIII 700 + 128MB RAM, it is really a lot slower than Outlook Express. But on P4 1.4G + 256MB RAM it rocks! Even better on faster machines.

Re:Memory Footprint (1)

iametarq (707216) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017702)

I agree, that on slower machines, 1gHz, mozilla products are a bit on the slow side. probably why some of the people i've tried to convert "don't like it". Yet, I continue to be a missionary of mozilla. =)

Re:Memory Footprint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017646)

Not of your league, but perhaps out of your gourd.

Re:Memory Footprint (5, Interesting)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017648)

It is a little sluggish, however, it's still an order of magnitude (literally) faster than Outlook when both have a large message store.

Outlook was taking 30 seconds or more to open a folder, which was one of the reasons I dropped it for Thunderbird several months ago.

Ironically, Outlook Express never had this kind of problem.

Re:Memory Footprint (5, Funny)

Paleomacus (666999) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017752)

It's that 'Express' in the title. It makes things go faster!

Re:Memory Footprint (2, Interesting)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017819)

It also doesn't lose data once your store gets to about a gig or gig-and-a-half in size, so I guess "Express" also means "doesn't suck".

(Frickin' two minute thingy completely infuriates me. Hey, Slashbots, some of us can think fast enough to write more than once good comment every two minutes. I suggest one minute (and 15 seconds for writing a comment, because quick witty responses don't always take 20 seconds. I'm really sick of "Slow down, cowboy." Wake up, CowboyNeal, et al, I'm not the usual mouth-breathing frost-pister type, I just type fast. Quit penalizing me for having a working brain!)

Re:Memory Footprint (3, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017715)

Launch the executable with the command line flag -turbo. This will cause the libraries it uses etc. to stay loaded (The same works for firefox). Youll see much better speed.

Re:Memory Footprint (1)

rindeee (530084) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017723)

Thunderbird? Chunky? Thunderchunky(Props to late 80's prep-rappers "DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince).

Re:Memory Footprint (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017775)

I just compressed the .EXE with ASPack - half the size now, loads faster too. Why don't they compress the .EXE in the install?

Re:Memory Footprint (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017779)

Its not chunky, its just big boned.

Optimized Builds (1)

krazykit (774736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017780)

Make Sure to check out the Optimized Builds that are available from 3rd parties.

Re:Memory Footprint (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017792)

Yeah, it's chunky, but being able to run the newest Thunderbird is worth the cost of you upgrading to a 486.

Any other choice? (2, Interesting)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017523)

If I don't want Outlook Express, Mozilla Mail&News and Mozilla Thunderbird, what else *Open Source* e-mail clients can I choose in Windows?

Re:Any other choice? (1, Funny)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017584)

> what else *Open Source* e-mail clients can I choose in Windows?

Pirated Outlook.

Re:Any other choice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017619)

omg u got source to dat? :-p

Re:Any other choice? (1)

oexeo (816786) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017650)

The parent listed Outlook Express in context to "open source" I took him to mean "free" as opposed to the actual definition of "open source."

Re:Any other choice? (1)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017712)

Sorry for confusion. The original sentense didn't mean Outlook Express is open source, but what "I don't want to use".

Re:Any other choice? (1)

dolphinling (720774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017811)

Well does Win2k come with an email client? :-P

Re:Any other choice? (1)

se7en11 (833841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017631)

probally not the best suggestion...

Re:Any other choice? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017586)

Hmm, what specific features are you looking for in your mail client, exactly?

Re:Any other choice? (1)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017658)

Just an e-mail client which has a *G*UI. Evolution, and KMail cannot run on Windows. Pine, elm, mutt are not graphical. What left?

Re:Any other choice? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017608)

Are you simply too lazy? (1)

aug24 (38229) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017639)

I googled [google.com] and found this [sourceforge.net] in thirty secords...

J.

Re:Are you simply too lazy? (1)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017682)

Thank you. I really google'd before I asked. But without the quotes, it is really impossible to reach the one you found.

Ah, of course.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017768)

Google is the answer to everything now.

Perhaps we should all stop asking each other for information and opinions and just google our lives away.

Re:Are you simply too lazy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017807)

Using Google can be lazy too.

Using a search engine to find instant answers without any context or backup up by anyone's experience or opinions.

Should we trust google to dictate what we think?

May they'll come up with some kind of google brain implant in years to come!

Re:Are you simply too lazy? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017832)

How should I know, try a Google search: should we trust google? [google.com]

Re:Any other choice? (1)

stinkyfingers (588428) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017654)

If I don't want Outlook Express, Mozilla Mail&News and Mozilla Thunderbird, what else *Open Source* e-mail clients can I choose in Windows?

http://www.washington.edu/pine/getpine/pcpine.ht ml

Re:Any other choice? (1)

phrasebook (740834) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017844)

Sadly PC-PINE is not open source and stores (or used to store, I gave up on it ages ago) email in some weird non-standard mbox format.

Re:Any other choice? (4, Funny)

Finuvir (596566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017731)

If I don't want Outlook Express, Mozilla Mail&News and Mozilla Thunderbird, what else *Open Source* e-mail clients can I choose in Windows?

Telnet

Re:Any other choice? (4, Informative)

rduke15 (721841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017748)

Open Source other than Mozilla, all I can think of would be Pine.

The "Program for Internet News & Email [washington.edu] " from University of Washington. Version 4.58

If you need a multi platform program, this one seems to cover them all. Amiga, BeOS, VMS, you name it... It looks like it even runs on a plain text terminal, so I could probably set it up to handle my mail on my 486 Linux firewall. Or maybe on my coffee machine? I'll have to look whether there is a pre-compiled version for La Pavoni [lapavoni.com] (because the Pavoni's don't come with a compiler).

But even though I do like text terminals, shells and command lines, I don't think that is how I would like to manage my email. Not even to spare my eyes all the pictures and colors the HTML spam throws at them.

For me, I'm still staying with Eudora, and only occasionally use Thunderbird when I want to send an HTML mail, and it's a bit too complex for Eudora, but not enough to use Dreamweaver and put it on a web site. Eudora is neither open source nor even free (there is a "sponsored" version with ads), and does not run on Linux. However, on Windows (or Mac), it's still the best I know: plain text mail storage, separation of atachments, regular expression searches, and the most powerful filtering I have seen (on any arbitrary header and/or the body, including with regex'es, and with several "actions" happening sequentially with filtered mails)

Re:Any other choice? (1)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017843)

I think very very few people really need regex search/filtering. For detached attachment, Thunderbird planned it for 2004 originally but dropped finally. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/plans. html [mozilla.org]

Re:Any other choice? (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017793)

mutt on cygwin [cygwin.com]

Sorry, I should have said "Graphical" (2, Informative)

at2000 (715252) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017803)

Sorry, I should have said "Graphical" e-mail clients in parent. Thank you for your suggestions and it really confirms my belief: we really have no choice, except text-based and much less well-known ones. But we do have some choices for browser, though most of them are still Gecko-based.

Re:Any other choice? (1, Insightful)

MoThugz (560556) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017858)

Why must you restrict it to Open Source ones?

If it's a matter of $$$, there are lots of good freeware email clients out there.

If you're really someone who does things "in the spirit of libre software", you wouldn't be using Windows in the first place.

So there are tons of them... check out freshmeat.net or nonags.com to see some.

Re:Any other choice? (1)

value_added (719364) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017867)

Mutt.

No, really. It sucks less than all the others.

Really.

Good reason to switch (1)

rastos1 (601318) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017529)

Seems like a good reason to ditch my ages-old mailer (xfmail) and switch.

Re:Good reason to switch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017599)

xfmail is old? I use elm, dude.

But will it let me backup my mail store? (2, Interesting)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017556)

Or do I have to wander the maze of twisty little directories in Microsoft's "Documents and Settings" directory to find where it stores mail.

Remember, it's in "Application Data" and not "Local Settings\Application Data", and also please note all these directories for hidden for some stupid reason.

I'd be happy if I could just specify where the data is stored like most apps (even Microsoft ones).

Don't get me wrong, I love using Thunderbird and switched from Outlook shortly after I realized how deeply flawed it was (despite having a good UI and spam filtering), around version 0.5.

Anyhow, congrats to the Mozilla team for another excellent release. But please, give us some data store management.

Re:But will it let me backup my mail store? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017604)

if you were using Linux you wouldn't have this problem you asshat!

Re:But will it let me backup my mail store? (1)

Finuvir (596566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017627)

You've always been able to specify mail directory locations. I don't have a copy of Thunderbird here right now (my home directory in college is barely enough for Firefox) but I believe the option is in Account Settings (seperate for each account, though I presume there's an option for the new global inbox too).

Re:But will it let me backup my mail store? (4, Informative)

Bricklets (703061) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017671)

I'd be happy if I could just specify where the data is stored like most apps (even Microsoft ones).

Use the Profile Manager to specify where you want your data stored. I've kept my mail in the My Documents folder since forever.

Re:But will it let me backup my mail store? (4, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017673)

That's like complaining that a Linux application stores user data in the user's home directory and system-level data in /etc. That's the standard, it's how all applications are supposed to work. FireFox follows Microsoft's standards to the letter, thus allowing multiple users to have separate FireFox profiles, and allowing non-administrators to run the software. (Woe is me! If only most off-the-shelf applications adhered to that standard) And yes, you can override those settings if you want.

Re:But will it let me backup my mail store? (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017754)

FireFox follows Microsoft's standards to the letter

I realize that. So where are the "backup" and "restore" features? I use robocopy from the appropriate directory, but it would be nice if this were implemented in the app. When I reinstalled after replacing a harddrive, I had to find the data store, copy it, and after I reinstalled Thunderbird, copy that directory back in and pray it would actually work.

Fortunately it did, but this is not user-friendly by any definition.

Aaaaarrrggghhhh (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017561)

I visited the sight only 10 minutes before. It said release 1.0 and I took it to be 1.0 PR. Now the site is gonna be slashdotted ....

Pocket PC sync?? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017572)

I'm thinking about getting a PPC, and it'd be nice to sync my mail/address book to it, but I don't want to use Outlook/OE. Anyone know of a way to make this work with Thunderbird?

MOOX optimized versions? (3, Interesting)

zippity8 (446412) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017582)

Has anyone tried these? I was googling for a torrent and came across this win32 optimized version (depending on your processor).

MOOX optimized versions [www.moox.ws]
NOTE: This is a third party / unofficial build.

Re:MOOX optimized versions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017668)

I thought everyone on Slashdot has tried the MOOX, but yes, they are quite good. Don't forget to donate a buck or two if you like his builds.

Re:MOOX optimized versions? (1)

DJ-Dodger (169589) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017669)

Yep, I swear by them. The M2 build is significantly snappier on my Athlon XP at home and the M3 build is significanlty snappier on my P4 at work.

optimizing a mail client is pointless (4, Informative)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017683)

came across this win32 optimized version (depending on your processor).

[siiigh]. Considering much of what a mail client does is either disk or display, and not very repetitive, processor-specific optimizations will do little to no good. Even search functions are largely disk constrained if the mailbox is big enough that search time becomes an issue on any modern system.

If it was a Pi calculator, or a game (in which a miniscule difference in per-frame loop time makes a huge difference in frame rate) I could see the point, but this is just silly

Re:optimizing a mail client is pointless (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017761)

If it was a Pi calculator, or a game (in which a miniscule difference in per-frame loop time makes a huge difference in frame rate) I could see the point, but this is just silly
Go tell that to Gentoo [funroll-loops.org] users.

Re:MOOX optimized versions? (2, Interesting)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017690)

I'm sure any difference is completely unnoticeable, because like most apps, e-mail would be highly I/O bound.

Just how much horsepower could an e-mail app need?

CCK please (5, Interesting)

lopingrhondo (186235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017610)

I'm still waiting for a Firefox/Thunderbird CCK that will let me customize them in a way that would make distribution worthwhile here at work. NS through 7.1 gave us the ability to make custom accounts and mail settings before install. Yes, we use Netscape as the default browser/mail suite here. We do exist!

Re:CCK please (0)

dolphinling (720774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017688)

How exactly do you need them customized? They are open source, after all. XUL's not even that hard to learn.

Re:CCK please (1)

dolphinling (720774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017739)

Ignore my comment above, I didn't read closely enough.

Have you tried editing the default profile? I do that with Firefox at school so I don't need to redo my settings for every computer.

"Yes, we use Netscape as the default browser/mail" (0, Offtopic)

da5idnetlimit.com (410908) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017704)

Really ?

And you are happy of your AOL Broadband account ?

Re:"Yes, we use Netscape as the default browser/ma (1)

lopingrhondo (186235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017747)

What does this even mean? Our administration standardized on Netscape (including the old Netscape Calendar) years ago and has refused to let go. Guess what, its *still* better than IE!

Rahh ! I hate explaining someone else' joke... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017833)

Here in Europe, all AOL accounts use Netscape as a browser...and they use NEtscape to access AOL mail...

So the fact that you use NS for web and Mail can imply you have an AOL internet account...

I agree i wasn't VERY funny, but it's not so bad considering we're on /.

extensions (3, Interesting)

alatesystems (51331) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017613)

I wish the moz foundation would implore the popular extension makers to update their version string. If I upgrade when it comes out, I'm screwed on all my extensions. If I wait, I'm going "when can i upgrade, when can i upgrade?"

I lose either way. This time I'm going to wait instead of upgrading from .9 for a while until the extensions are ready.

Re:extensions (3, Informative)

Finuvir (596566) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017687)

As long as the extensions need nothing more than a version number bump you can upgrade now. You'll have to add the line

user_pref('app.extensions.version','0.9');
to user.js in your profile directory. Make sure Thunderbird is closed when you add that line.

Re:extensions (1)

dolphinling (720774) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017777)

I think the new (as in still in beta, not being used yet) update.mozilla.org will have the ability to automatically update the version string (but don't quote me on that).

YUO( FAIL IT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017630)

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Torrent (5, Informative)

youngerpants (255314) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017655)

And as the servers take the same hammering they took when Firefox was released, heres a torrent crafted by my own fair hands

http://www.youngerpants.com/thunderbird.torrent [youngerpants.com]

Contact groups (1)

se7en11 (833841) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017678)

Does Thunderbird allow you to group contacts/email addresses?

Example: I want to email the all the supervisors, but do not want to type all their email addresses. Can I create a "supervisors" contact group that includes all their addresses?

GPG key 6D1ECD07? (1)

rastos1 (601318) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017680)

What is the key it was signed [mozilla.org] with?

Not bad, but I miss... (1)

julie-h (530222) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017686)

... That there is no short cut for viewing headers and an option so it doesn't bip on filtered emails.

A part from that, I couldn't be more satisfied=)

In Other News (4, Funny)

NardofDoom (821951) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017698)

"Thunderbird Bad for Advertisers"

"My business has been cut ten fold by this communist software" say veteran spammer Ima A Shole. "I don't know how anyone expects to have free web sites if they don't let independent businessmen like me advertise porn and \/|@gr.r.r.a."

I prefere the Mozilla Suite (3, Interesting)

krudler (836743) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017707)

Both browsing and email are integrated which is nice, because they are two very common applications. I don't understand the huge gains people get by using firefox and thunderbird separately.

Mozilla suite is stable and all I need, I never had a problem with it using too much memory like some people claim. I also have this bitchin faux wood theme that makes it look like its 1975.

Don't get me wrong, I like that there's more products to choose from and more competition for ms and crew, but I just don't get why mozilla suite was ignored and firefox and thunderbird are so highly regarded.

Huh? (3, Funny)

sammyo (166904) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017727)

Shouldn't there be a name change at a full dot release?

Ba ding. :-) :-)

T-Bird is missing "Combine and Decode" (2, Interesting)

way2slo (151122) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017728)

I have been using T-Bird 0.8 for a while and am generally pleased. However, I still have to fire up Outlook Express once in a while to do one thing. Usenet Newsgroups. Why? T-Bird has no "Combine and Decode" feature.

Most Newsgroups require that a posted message be no larger than a certain size so to post large files, like mp3's, you must split them appart into several seperate posts. Without the Combine and Decode functionality you cannot put the pieces back together again.

Granted, Usenet Newsgorups have not gained as much popularity as the rest of the internet but it would still be nice to have. And until this feature is added to T-Bird, then Usenet users like myself will still be forced to use OE. Basically, why run two e-mail clients? It's not a good idea for the average user, so they are going to stick with OE.

Re:T-Bird is missing "Combine and Decode" (2, Informative)

Quarters (18322) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017796)

How do you reach the flawed logical conclusion of "If T-Bird doesn't do combination then Usenet users will have to use Oulook Express"?

There's a whole class of applications called "newsgroup readers" that might be of some interest to you. I can easily name five freeware ones for Windows off the top of my head. I'll leave it as an excerise to the poster to see if he can find some on his own.

OE is a singuarly bad newsgroup program. Newsgroup functionality is the worst aspect of that program. Do yourself a favor and get a real tool for the job.

Nice, but still not enough to make me switch (3, Informative)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017743)

Downloaded it, installed it, played with it, uninstalled it.

I use Pegasus Mail (pmail.com). For all the nice features in Thunderbird, it still seems to me that Pegasus has much more powerful filtering rules. And, at least for my uses, has more features aimed at people who maintain multiple e-mail addresses.

Pegasus is free, but not open source. I urge people to compare it to Thunderbird. I've used it since 1996 and have never found a mailer I like better.

- Greg

"Find" is painful to use (3, Interesting)

Sandor at the Zoo (98013) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017744)

I read a number of mailing list digests, and Thunderbird's "Find" is sooooo painful to use. Here's the scenario: the digest has a list of Subjects from individual emails in the digest. I see one of interest.

I select the subject of interest. Instead of having a "enter selection for find" command, I have to copy and paste. Fine. However, if the Find dialog is already up, when I hit ctrl-F, the text in the Find dialog isn't selected; I have to select the text, then paste my subject into the box.

Then I click the Find button. It finds the text and shows it to me at the very bottom of the window. This is so annoying that it's nearly beyond belief. I have to scroll down a bunch to see any context whatsoever.

So, my request for two enhancements:

  • When you hit ctrl-F, select the frickin' text in the Find dialog.
  • When you scroll the message window to show found text, scroll the found area to the vertical center of the window, not the very bottom.

OK, so go ahead and flame me for a) not just fixing the application myself, and b) not trying to figure out how to file my own bugs.

In my own defense, a) I have a day job and a life at night, and b) I started to file some bugs and direction number 1 was "download Mozilla and see if the same bug appears there". I don't use Mozilla, have no interest in it, and don't feel like jumping through hoops to file bugs.

OK, call me cranky. :-)

Happy Holidays!

Someone help me out (1, Interesting)

alta (1263) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017757)

Ok, Firefox appears to tbe just the web browser. I have that installed.

Now, is thunderbird just the email/newsreader, or is it the email/news/web browser all together, like netscape communicator.

And then there's Mozilla, which is at version 1.7 or so. What's up with that? Where does it stand in relation to Firefox?

Re:Someone help me out (1)

Penguinoflight (517245) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017802)

Mozilla is where the innovation is right now. 1.8alpha 5 is very stable, and its more evolved than either firefox or thunderbird. Runs faster too.

Re:Someone help me out (1)

alta (1263) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017805)

Well, actually, now I have firefox installed and I see that it is JUST news/email. So, still what's Mozilla's relation to firefox?

Re:Someone help me out (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017869)

Dude, you got a 4-digit uid, are you kidding ?

Looking to switch (2, Interesting)

dfj225 (587560) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017771)

Recently my parents got an email in outlook express that will cause the program to lock up simply by clicking on the message (even with preview off). So, I'm looking to switch them to Thunderbird for a more stable and secure system. I would like to get their mail from OE into Thunderbird, but I think the mail database that OE creates might be corrupt. I'll give 1.0 a shot tonight and see how things fair.

Mozilla vs Firefox (1)

canuck57 (662392) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017785)

Don't ask me why, but I like Mozilla more than Firefox. Although Mozilla takes longer to load up I like the button configuration and tabbing better.

isn't the update available supposed to work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017789)

Isn't the upgrade available part on thunderbird supposed to notify you if a new version exists? I have tried manually "Check Now" for software updates and got "no updates available." Using Thunderbird 0.9 btw. Maby they are just trying to wait for the rush to be over and turn on the notification.

Connect TBird to MS Exchange (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017827)

How does one connect tbird to ms exchange?

gmail (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017828)

I used to use Thunderbird, but now I just use Gmail for everything personal (we're stuck on Lookout for work).

I suppose if I needed a mail client I would still use Thunderbird though.

printing contacts suck: I'll wait (2, Informative)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 9 years ago | (#11017838)

Until I can print 15 or so contacts per sheet, I can't use it.

It's also a pain to enter phone numbers. If you type 555 5551234 and it keeps it like that. It doesn't reformat to (555)555-1234.

Until this is fixed, I wait. (BTW: there are no Contact Extensions for it...)

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11017871)

~~~ FIRST POST!!11!
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