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GNOME Foundation Elections Results Are In

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the or-out-depending-on-how-you-see-things dept.

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PaaChhaa writes "The GNOME Foundation membership and elections committee has announced the preliminary results of this year's elections for the board of directors. There are a few new faces this year, and Miguel de Icaza, whose candidacy was rejected last year due to late submission, is back. The run up to this year's election saw a threat of boycott, which ultimately resulted in the online publication of the foundation's financial records. Also, a heated discussion followed the posting of the list of ten questions, and the opinions of the candidates and other foundation members on these issues can be found in the foundation-list archives for the months of November and December. A notable exclusion from this year's board is GNOME's release manager Jeff Waugh. who didn't run at all."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11034924)

suck it losers

Sun employees (1)

uid100 (540265) | more than 9 years ago | (#11034936)

Do any of these guys (gals?) work for Sun?

Re:Sun employees (1)

monkease (726622) | more than 9 years ago | (#11034990)

Come on... rtfa...

Bill Haneman (85 votes) - Sun Microsystems

And he was a few places removed from the winners.

Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1, Interesting)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035105)

It's very interesting that Sun has been excluded from the board since as far as I know the board sets the technical direction for GNOME.

Does this maybe mean that .NET/Mono has won the battle of GNOME? Interesting times.

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1)

uwog (707498) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035307)

The one thing the board does NOT, is setting the technical direction for GNOME.

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035427)

The one thing the board does NOT, is setting the technical direction for GNOME.

Thats a shame, because someone definitely should. I use Gnome because I prefer it to KDE, but they aren't making it easy to justify that decision these days. GTK+ is a great toolkit, but Gnome has way too much politics.

Fork! Fork! Fork!

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1)

tiptone (729456) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035603)

[genie voice]
your wish is my command...
[/genie voice]

http://www.goneme.org/ [goneme.org]

which seems to be down at the moment?

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036179)

GTK+ is a great toolkit, but Gnome has way too much politics.

Damn right. I was trying to develop a GTK+ application the other week, to prove that Python + GTK+ was a viable alternative to C# + System.Windows.Forms, and I ended up having to write my own fucking dialog box widget, just to get the buttons to appear in the same order as every other fucking application on the company machines.

Needless to say, these ludicrous issues with basic UI design elements failed to help me make my point, and the company will be locked into Microsoft for the forseeable future as a result. (It's a bit hard to say "it's more logical to have the cancel button on the right" when the boss is normally frightened by a changed FONT, let alone a button in the "wrong place".) A little less nannying and politicking from the Gnome developers would result in a more flexible GTK+... and that would have resulted in one more company dipping a toe into the waters of Free Software. (A relatively small and insignificant company, I admit, but users are users...)

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035697)

Oh, YEAH? Did you read:

http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/overview.h tm l

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (2, Informative)

KeyserDK (301544) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035336)

NO, SUN employes is not excluded.
NO, the board does NOT set the technical direction for GNOME.

Troll...?

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (2, Funny)

Eccles (932) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035418)

Yes, but Gnomes usually avoid the Sun.

Troll...?

Oh heck yes. trolls definitely avoid the Sun. In Tolkien's stories, the sun would turn trolls (except Olog-hai) into stone.

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (1, Interesting)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035617)

So, by simply lying, you get to call me a troll and be modded up?

- Has Sun been included or excluded from the board of directors? Sun is not there, there were not enough votes for any Sun member to win.

- http://foundation.gnome.org/about/charter/ used to say "GNOME Foundation will oversee the technical direction of GNOME." now http://foundation.gnome.org/elections/overview.htm l says:

Partial List of Tasks of the Board of Directors

The Board of Directors must perform a broad set of both technical and non-technical tasks including:

- Help set overall direction for GNOME.
- Arbitrate technical disputes between maintainers. ...

Google for more of the same.

Re:Sun Exclusion -- Java vs .Net? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035981)

Has Sun been included or excluded from the board of directors? Sun is not there, there were not enough votes for any Sun member to win.

Though, to be fair, only one person from Sun even ran!

really, does any one care? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11034946)

i know i don't.

My application was rejected, I don't know why (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11034950)

1. Judging from the comments posted here (gnomdesktop.org comments
area), it seems as though most people are confused about the purpose of
the GNOME Foundation and its board. How will you, as a member of the
board, try to clear up confusion and outline a clear direction and
purpose for the Foundation?

Trick question! Nice try assh0le.

2. What do you see as the most important thing that the board
accomplishes, and what do you think is the area of the board's activity
where you could improve things?

Making decisions. Some of the board members are very ugly, we could do
with improving that.

3. What is the number one priority for the GNOME project now, in your
opinion? What do you think you can do as a board member to work towards
that goal?

To build a GNOME, we should work towards building a good GNOME.

4. What do you think is the most important market for GNOME over the
next year or two, and what do you feel you can do to help get GNOME
better penetrated into that market?

Long bearded hippies?

5. What unique aspect will you bring to the job?

I'm very 1337, and I have a very big cock!

6. How would you feel about moving to a system of Preferential Voting?

Don't understand the question.

7. How do you think you could motivate the rest of the board, if and
when the other directors have other time pressures?

I don't like what your implying. I am not a whore.

8. What one problem could you hope to solve this year?

All of them.

9. What would you do to increase community participation in the GNOME
community and GNOME elections?

See response to question #7.

10. Should Gnome be marketed as a separate component ? Or should it be
actively promoted as a part of the offerings in a commercial software
stack ?

Yes

Mod Up Parent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035116)

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Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035211)

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Re:OMGL0L0L0L!!!!!11`~1`1 (0)

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Mod Parent: +1, Lollerskates! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035486)

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Mena (4, Interesting)

febuiles (743020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11034995)

Why the new faces point to Federico Mena? He's been working in GNOME for more time that most of the known developers.

Unexpected results (4, Funny)

AbbyNormal (216235) | more than 9 years ago | (#11034998)

The new president of the association: "George Walker Bush".

We told them not to use those Diebold Machines. You'd think Gnome would read Slashdot or something.

Re:Unexpected results (4, Funny)

mforbes (575538) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035128)

What's really amazing is that of the 324 registered voters, GWB won the votes of all two hundred thousand!

Re:Unexpected results (1)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035374)

Bah! No way would they use unproven, unreliable machines that provide absolutely no audit trail for something as important and the gnome board of directors election!

That was just the mock test vote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036307)

The actual winner of the GNOME elections vote was:
Pat Buchanan

No More Spatial Browsing Please (1, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035005)

I'll take this oppertunity to complain about GNOME's current love affair with spatial browsing, in the hope that it will get noticed.

Please, please take away spatial browsing. Noone I know wants it. Every time someone talks to me about their first foray into Linux(avec GNOME) they complain about it. They all hated it in Win95 and they don't want it now. They all leave with the impression that Naultilus( and by extendtion Linux) is, well, unusable. (They're only lusers, bless them.)

Seriously leave spatial browsing as an option from now on. Not the default.

All replys, comments and links to points of view in favour of spatial browsing are welcome, as I am genuinely facinated and bemused by this point of view. Who exactly like spatial browsing and why?!

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035067)

I like it. It's less cluttered, and it presents you with a better view of the whole system. Sure, it's not for power users, but it's a lot easier to deal with then a "browser-style" file manager. You may not like it because you probably used Windows for a long period of time. I grew up on the Mac, and Mac users were in an uproar over Mac OS X's new Finder, compared to the old spatial one.

Mods, please make this and the parent off-topic, it has nothing to do with the gnome election.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035091)

Mods, please make this and the parent off-topic, it has nothing to do with the gnome election.

Mods, please make this and the parent off-topic, it has nothing to do with the gnome election.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035491)

Cry baby!

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035104)

Who exactly like spatial browsing and why?!

People from space, obviously. That's the Gnome guys for you, always thinking ahead.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035109)

Spatial browsing? I gather it refers to opening results in new window?
Goolge provided some gnome related hits for "spatial browsing" and that's what I assume the complaints are refering too.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (4, Insightful)

Curtman (556920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035138)

Well said. Spacial Nautilus the kind of thing that looks good to developers because someone put forth a proposal and mentioned the HIG enough times. Look below the surface, and you'll see HIG as the reasoning for everything, often both sides of an argument simultaneously.

I really believe its time for HIG v2, so we can see if things are improving from the user perspective, or getting worse. Nautilus on the whole is VERY confusing to the users that I have introduced to it. Just try explaining why removing the toolbar is a good thing to any reasonably minded person. All you'll get is a blank stare.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035363)

Have you tried explaining it to a user who has never used a computer before? He most likely doesn't even know what a toolbar is.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035443)

Excuse me but where do you find such Users? In Africa?

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036337)

Old people. The first thing you have to teach them is how to use a mouse. It's fucking painful, seriously.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035493)

Have you tried explaining it to a user who has never used a computer before?

Are you being serious? I don't even think I've met anyone who has never used a computer before, let alone try to explain why buttons are good things.

No More [Preconceptions] Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035811)

"Are you being serious? I don't even think I've met anyone who has never used a computer before, let alone try to explain why buttons are good things."

And there'in lies the problem. Every one of you is carrying "preconception" baggage, and assuming that it applies to everyone.

I've known people who've NEVER used a computer. And have VCR's that still flash 12:00.

Re:No More [Preconceptions] Please (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035876)

I've known people who've NEVER used a computer. And have VCR's that still flash 12:00.

Did you ever ask them if they'd rather not have buttons on their VCR at all?

Re:No More [Preconceptions] Please (2, Insightful)

DougWebb (178910) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035967)

It does apply to everyone, because everyone sees it whenever they use a computer and try to access the filesystem.

Spatial Browsing, if implemented everywhere (including MS Windows and OSX), could become the new "preconception baggage", but it wouldn't be any better, because it's not really 'spatial'.

As currently implemented, Spatial Browsing replaces representing your filesystem as a hierarchical tree with representing your filesystem as a flood of windows which appear to be disconnected, but which actually have a vague and very poorly represented hierarchical relationship.

True spatial browsing, ala Raskin's Humane Interface, would be a real improvement. Instead of the hierarchy, documents are scattered around in groups, and you can zoom in on a group to discover that there are smaller groups within the larger group. This would make perfect sense to most people, who have stuff piled all over their physical desks using pretty much the same organizational structure.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

MoogMan (442253) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035607)

I must say, after using the Spatial view, I'm a bit undecided. I dont like it, although I think going back to the Explorer-style view would not be a huge step forward either.

I dont think the Spatial view "works" properly; Viewing the filesystem folders as seperate entities is fundamentally flawed, since a filesystem itself isnt really modelled on anything tangible. Then again the Explorer-style is just a bit more hassle than should be. Its a fine line really, I guess...

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (4, Interesting)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035915)

Idunno, I like the toolbarless look, but that's just because I think its nice looking and I'm one of those people who never ever touches the toolbar. I find that the Gnome people in general don't like toolbars and tend to prefer right-click-menus. This is good for simple apps (like the file browser) but a poor decision for more complicated apps.

Still, I agree that the "new window for each folder" thing is a bad idea. Why not follow FireFox's success and go with a rocker/radial approach? Middle-click = open in new window, rclick + scrollup = up one level, stuff like that? Just have the context-menu list the rocker gestures and hotkeys alongside the command names.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

ajs (35943) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036136)

I find that the Gnome people in general don't like toolbars and tend to prefer right-click-menus. This is good for simple apps (like the file browser) but a poor decision for more complicated apps.

I can see where you're coming from, but in general I think that even the most complex apps benefit from simplicity and well groomed context functionality (context menus being one example).

The problem is that there are very few examples of well-groomed context menus. For examples of how far astray this can go, look at The Gimp... *shudder* Don't get me wrong, I love The Gimp, but I love it for its power, not for ease of use (I don't want to think about how much of my life has been spent searching for a particular filter or tool in those "context" menus).

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036233)

Funny, The GIMP was exactly the app I had in mind with my "complex apps" complaint. That, and vague memories of an old version of Dia.

Seriously, I think radial-context-menus, if done properly (read: not like the awful ones in FireFox), could be the future.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0, Flamebait)

Fancia (710007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035210)

I have to completely agree. The new GTK file selector is awful; I can't understand why they won't even offer the old one as an option, except that it would mean admitting that they might be wrong. I really can't stand the new file selector.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

Fancia (710007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035255)

Er, that should read "is awful, too." >.; I don't mean to sound like I didn't actually know what you were talking about.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

aldoman (670791) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035303)

No no no no no.

It should just _work_. Not offering multiple ways of doing things and adding hundreds of options. Mozilla Suite vs Firefox should be reason enough to show that people DON'T like LOTS of loads of options.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

J. T. MacLeod (111094) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035354)

No, it shows that people tend to like streamlined interfaces and lack of bloat.

If it showed that people didn't like having options, Firefox wouldn't have very many extensions.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035352)

the new one is excellent in my opinion. every directory i need is right there and available in a click or two. none of this up a directory up a directory up a directory bs.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035842)

Hear Hear - I hate not being able to type the damn path where I know the file is.

This especially bites when using automounted directories, as the directory I want to go to WON'T EXIST until I try to go to it - thus there IS no entry to click on in the new Gnome File Selector.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

flynn_nrg (266463) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036161)

This especially bites when using automounted directories, as the directory I want to go to WON'T EXIST until I try to go to it - thus there IS no entry to click on in the new Gnome File Selector.

Just press Ctrl-L and type the location. Quite easy, isn't it?

As a matter of fact, GTK+ offers the two file browser widgets. It's up to the developer to choose which one she'll use in her app. I've moved all my software to the new one, and everyone I've asked thinks it's an improvement over the older code.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (1)

Fancia (710007) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036247)

The old one is depreciated and may be removed at a later date. All of the software developers I've talked to won't even offer the option at compile time to use the old one because it's officially depreciated.

As for Ctrl-L, it seems needless to add an extra step to what I could already do before. If they recognize that some people will want to type in the path, why in Goddess' name should they impose an extra keyboard press? Surely they could include the rest of the improved interface as it is, but not require the user to jump through hoops just to use a feature that was there before.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (3, Interesting)

grumbel (592662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036088)

Complain a lot, write bugreports, cross your fingers and wait a release or two and they might add back a useable textinput/typeahead support. In the past Gnome developers have frustrated me quite a lot, especially in the switch from Gnome1.4 to Gnome2.0 where a lot of usefull features have gone missing, however most of the needed features have found there way back again sooner or later. So I have good hopes that they will fix the filedialog too in the future, just give it a bit time. Gnome developers tend to overshoot their goal of simplicity, it just takes some time to find the right balance between 'crowded', 'simply good' and 'too simple'.

### I can't understand why they won't even offer the old one as an option, except that it would mean admitting that they might be wrong.

They follow more or less the principal of doing it right, instead of flooding the screen with options. And as basically everybody will agree the old dialog was just plain awfull (beside the tab-completion, which was really good), so I think they prefered to dump it completly to have it finally dead, instead of dragging it around for another few releases. Until they get proper typeahead implemented, it will be of course a bit painfull, since 'Ctrl-L' is really a rather ugly hack, however it gets the job done and the dialog is already much more pleasent to use with the mouse, so the damage isn't that big and time will most likly fix the rest.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035540)

yes, you are right of course. MacOS was unusable all those years.

No More [oGalaxyo] Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035576)

Gee, GNOME appears to be the GNAA of Slashdot. Apparently we can't have a GNOME discussion without someone coming along and trolling. Of course KDE has had their run of trolls too.

So how about we pile all the "GNOME sux" posts to this thread, then meta-moderate the whole shebang down to -1: offtopic and annoying the fuck out of everyone who's all heard it before.

Spatial browsing and the Mac Finder (2, Interesting)

devnevyn (837682) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035737)

I haven't used spatial browsing in an other environment than the original Macintosh Finder, pre-OS X. However, the Mac OS 9 Finder is an example of spatial browsing at its best. For a /very/ thourough read on the subject of spatiality, see John Siracusas excellent and by now well-known article over at Ars Technica [arstechnica.com] . John Gruber over at Daring Fireball has a very good take on the subject, as well [daringfireball.net] . Gruber:
In the classic Finder, there is no abstraction between the actual file system and the view of the file system presented on screen. A folder is either open or closed. If it is open, it is represented on screen in its own window. The size, position, and viewing options for an open folder's window are always remembered, and are unrelated to the size, position, and viewing options of parent, sibling, or child folders. There is a clear, cohesive paradigm at work. An open folder is a window; a window is an open folder.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036032)

They all hated it in Win95

Then they don't know what spatial is -- Windows has never been spatial.

I can't imagine managing files without a spatial browser, and I hate how Win95 manages files. The two are completely different.

Re:No More Spatial Browsing Please (2, Informative)

grumbel (592662) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036153)

### I'll take this oppertunity to complain about GNOME's current love affair with spatial browsing, in the hope that it will get noticed.

In Gnome2.8.1 there is a easy to reach option to switch back to the normal non-spatial browsing behaviour, so no more gconf searching for the right option. About making it default, its of course questionable, however spatial has its benefits when your directory structures are flat, which it most likly will be for most new users, rest of the users shouldn't have much throuble to switch back to the old behaviour now.

Gnome elections? I'm still waiting for the Elves! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035008)

Yes, moderators...please mod. this post as a TROLL. Yes Gnomes, Elves, and Trolls all in one.

TDz.

Executive Summary (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035009)

In China, gnome is banned.
In Netcraft, KDE is dying. (Confirmed).
In Korea, only old people elect gnomes.
In Japan, talking robot gnomes are elected.
In Soviet Russia, gnome elects YOU!

Any questions?

Re:Executive Summary (1)

schizacopf (768954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035028)

? profit ?

Re:Executive Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035094)

You insensitive clod! I'm a gnome

Re:Executive Summary (1)

freqres (638820) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035178)

Who does all our base belong to now?

Re:Executive Summary (1)

schizacopf (768954) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035227)

KDE! It's pretty... too bad it's not available for winbloze. Cause that would be too easy. Oh... who the fuck cares! I don't like your attitude! ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO US - Borg

Re:Executive Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035231)

The gnomes, of course!

Try to keep up, here...

Re:Executive Summary (1)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035238)

WWOD?

What Would OOG Do?

Re:Executive Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035766)

Mommy, I want my own Slashdot meme for Christmas this year!

chuckle (4, Funny)

viva_fourier (232973) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035010)

> 5. What unique aspect will you bring to the job?

I think it is safe to say I am closer to legally blind than anyone on
the board, or running for it. That's unique, right? :)
-- Luis Villa

My question for Slashdot customer service: Can I find this mildly funny, or does that make me some sort of Gnome Foundation fanboy...

Explains a lot... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035229)

...if this guy is part of the interface design team!

Doh!

Re:chuckle (1)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035499)

Nobody's going to stop you from laughing. After all, he did. And it wouldn't make you a fanboy.

However, you would be a fanboy if GWB ran for the Gnome Foundation Board, and won, and you were still pleased with the results.

Yep... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035011)

More info on this at http://www.payfornothing.com/ [payfornothing.com] if I got the URL right..

Voting irregularities (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035016)

I hear there were some GNOME precincts that had more KDE votes than the total number of registered voters. Something smells fishy.

Re:Voting irregularities (2, Funny)

learn fast (824724) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035235)

It wouldn't surprise me at all if KDE and GNOME were to one day have evolved into warring political parties.

Look at the eerie similarities:

# inexplicable, irrational, vitriolic loathing of each other
# the end user can't really tell any difference between them

Yup, sounds like two dominant political parties to me. All we need now is a winner-takes-all voting system and game theory ensures they'll be entrenched forever.

Re:Voting irregularities (1)

cduffy (652) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035305)

inexplicable, irrational, vitriolic loathing of each other

You do realize that the actual project participants mostly get along just fine, and it's mostly just the users who do the flamewar thing?

Re:Voting irregularities (1)

triskaidekaphile (252815) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035816)

You do realize you are reinforcing the analogy, don't you?

Re:Voting irregularities (1)

midav (63224) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035989)

Do they call us lusers too?

Re:Voting irregularities (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036104)

the end user can't really tell any difference between them

Are you kidding?

It's possible to distinguish Gnome and KDE quite easily by looking at the tips that appear when you first start them up.

KDE: "Did you know? Right-click on any file and select CERVISIA to frobnicate the CVS flibdijibble flooble blargh foo."

Gnome: "Did you know? Eating solid food is almost as easy as sucking Mommy's milk!"

Elections? (2, Interesting)

HexaByte (817350) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035081)

They're having elections? Why not _selections_?

The person who contributes the most stable code get to be CTO, the one who got the most companies to pony up $$$ is CFO, and the one who can listen to the most complaints without going crazy becomes CEO!

Just my vote!

Re:Elections? (2, Funny)

WombatControl (74685) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035124)

And the one who doesn't contribute anything, whines the most, and is generally the most clueless can be selected as chief legal council!

Yes, I have a thing against lawyers...

Re:Elections? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035208)

I'm a lawyer, and I want to say this: keep your thing away from me! Pervert.

Re:Elections? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035413)

Because it's more efficient to have 1 person elected to be in charge than run a competition and have everyone spread themselves out (ie slicing time betweem coding and fundraising) vying for a position.

Besides, as long as everyone's votes are made in a thoughtful manner, then, theoretically, the talents of the individuals who are best at the above tasks will be elected to the positions on their merits.

Approval voting with multiple winners (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035088)

It appears that the election system used is approval voting, but with multiple winners. This does not result in proportional representation, but instead elects almost only "centrist" candidates. This may or may not have been the intent.

Financial records revealed... (1)

lateralus_1024 (583730) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035119)

"...The run up to this year's election saw a threat of boycott, which ultimately resulted in the online publication of the foundation's financial records...."

Everyone was in shock and awe when they saw that the biggest financial backers were Haliburton, MSFT and News Corp. Who knew?

slashdot is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035146)

I just found slashdot this week while trying to look for some useful information and I realized something: slashdot is useless.

What a bunch of pretentious little pissants trying to compete in the arena of 'look at me, I'm the smartest.' That shit didn't get you anywhere in high school and it doesn't get you anywhere now either.

The real smart people don't need to prove it--they live it.

Re:slashdot is... (1)

tanguyr (468371) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035201)

The real smart people don't need to prove it--they live it.

Fill in the blank:
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the _________"

thank you for playing.

Re:slashdot is... (3, Funny)

Dragon218 (139996) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035282)

management team

Precipitate (1)

pjt33 (739471) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035308)

I'm not sure why this is relevant, though.

Re:slashdot is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035406)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the United States!

Re:slashdot is... (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035956)

precipitate

Re:slashdot is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036020)

Gnome foundation?

Re:slashdot is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11036240)

Fill in the blank:
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the _________"


I don't have to. I can recognise the logical fallacy of the false dilemma quite well enough without playing your silly little games.

(Example: the claim that "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" is plainly nonsensical, because it is easily provable, for any problem/solution pair you care to advance, that the majority of the human race are completely unconcerned either way and do not fall into either category. For example, it's hard to see exactly how Jim McDonald, 86, of Aberdeen, Scotland, retired fisherman, never used a computer, can be held responsible for the poor quality of debate on Slashdot.)

This just in. (-1, Flamebait)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035163)

Jessie Jackson was overheard saying that the "vote has not yet been decided!". Controversy continues over the voteing method used by the Gnome foundation, whos leaders where once quoted as saying that they where "commetted to delivering the vote to someone who knows Linux from their asshole". Many people feel that picking names out of a hat leaves little room for recounts and chalanges to the vote results.

What ever happened to Jon Katz? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035193)

I kinda miss him.

Re:What ever happened to Jon Katz? (0, Offtopic)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035450)

Writing adventure stories about dogs [amazon.co.uk] in this post-Columbine world.

My favorite answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035215)

A set of questions was posted for the candidates to answer. In reply to the question about motivating others, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller wrote "... appreciation for the work put in by others. If that doesn't work I guess we expose the slackers on Slashdot :)"

That'll get their attention!

The best part is we still win . . . (5, Insightful)

grahamkracker (73254) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035216)

With each year's election, it just keeps getting better & better . . .

All of the traffic simply brings more review, attention and organization to the GNOME Foundation & GNOME Development.

It's not a negative, it's a positive, either way they both push us forward towards our goals //kracker

sage francis - sick of waging war - 01 - radio commercial intro

In related news... (2, Funny)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#11035222)

Ukraine offered to send observers to the GNOME elections, to ensure fairness. Meanwhile, the Eric Conspiracy has already declared victory. Bin Laden has issued a statement saying that it doesn't matter who wins, he will continue to use Emacs until American troops are withdrawn from Microsoft Windows.

Only the old... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035965)

In South Korea, only old people use Gnome...

Gee, I wonder if this is why GNOME sucks? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11035980)

Notice how the good open source projects are focused on writing code, like linux for example. And the crappy ones are focused on political bullshit like this, and they end up with bloated, useless crap, like GNOME and mozilla.

GNOME community almost as big as Java? (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036010)

I don't know if we can really learn anything from this, but it's interesting to compare the GNOME election to the recent Java Community Process election [jcpelection2004.org] :

GNOME: 324 registered voters, 183 votes cast, dominated by Red Hat and Novell. Sun almost got a seat.
JCP: 755 registered voters, 221 votes cast, Google, JBoss, and Intel edge out Novell. Sun has a permanent seat and Red Hat didn't run, despite their interest in Java.

Gnome 2.10?? (1)

bach37 (602070) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036043)

Luis Villa: [snip] ...we need to send out gnoppix/ubuntu livecds to media with late 2.9 releases and a nice little 'here is what is so cool about gnome' pamphlets. If we can do that for 2.10 we'll go a long way towards recapturing some of the buzz we had.

Doesn't he mean Gnome 3.0? Or 2.9.2 or something?
Someone help me out on how version numbers go.

Re:Gnome 2.10?? (1)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#11036317)

He said "2.10" not 2.1.0
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