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GOATSE? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039675)

Goatse? Goatse? Is that you?

first post attempt (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039676)

$5 says i get it. If I fail, I'll divide the $5 up among all /.ers

excellent (4, Insightful)

Libertarian001 (453712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039682)

woot

best...sci-fi...series...ever

Re:excellent (1)

John Bokma (834313) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039692)

Indeed Best SF series to me is still Farscape, but Babylon 5 is certainly #2.

Re:excellent (1)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039714)

Farscape was really good. Downloaded the Peacekeeper Wars a while ago. Good ending to a great series. (Downloaded since I'm Canadian - dunno when we'll get it on our sci-fi channel.)

But Babylon 5 is also so good. Too hard for me to pick. I'll just say they both look like they tie. :)

Battlestar Galactica (the upcoming new series - upcoming in Canada, at least) looks like it may hold promise too.

Re:excellent (1)

lunatik17 (91135) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040098)

It's already started airing in the UK. I've seen eight episodes so far, and already it is by far the best scifi show I've ever seen.

I'm not exaggerating.

Re:excellent (1)

krymsin01 (700838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039883)

Yes, wake me up when there's a Farscape theatrical movie. In the mood to do my rip van winkle thing...

Re:excellent (1)

dtdns (559328) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039719)

First, I agree. Best Sci-Fi ever. Firefly, Farscape, Star Trek.... whatever, they don't hold a candle to B5. Second, I like your alias. Viva Liberty!

Re:excellent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11040005)

woot

best...sci-fi...series...ever


Damn.. I wish I had mod points!

Best Sci Fi Ever? Nah! That would be: Firefly! (4, Interesting)

Bifster (697408) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040006)

best...sci-fi...series...ever

Not quite.

Clearly the best Sci Fi series ever is: Firefly [scifispace.com] :)

Seriously, if you haven't seen Firefly, rent all 4 disks from Netflix or something, you won't be disappointed. My favorite episode is the last on the disks: Objects In Space. All 9 main characters are interesting, complex, believable, and bounce off each in a manner consistent with their personalities. The action is great, plots are fairly unpredictable, and the writing is packed full of sharp humor.

For alternate opinions, check out the reviews of the Firefly DVD's on Amazon: 1200 reviews, average rating: 5 stars

B5 I'd say would be close behind on the rating scale overall... Mostly I think for it's ambition, and intricate tapestry of dramatic plotlines.

Re:Best Sci Fi Ever? Nah! That would be: Firefly! (1)

Bifster (697408) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040014)

Oh, and incidentally, a Firefly movie is coming out this May. Hopefully from that, someone in TV will be smart enough to pick this up as a series again!

Re:Best Sci Fi Ever? Nah! That would be: Firefly! (1)

Yoda's Mum (608299) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040045)

Firefly's good, but best sci-fi ever? Joss Whedon humour's quite entertaining, but it's not necessarilly what I want from sci-fi all the time.

In my opinion, comparing or rating shows and movies with some arbitrary ranking or rating system is simply pointless. Each show has its good points and its bad. That doesn't necessarily make one better than the other.

Re:Best Sci Fi Ever? Nah! That would be: Firefly! (1)

Libertarian001 (453712) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040076)

I saw every episode of Firefly and enjoyed it, it's just not what I look for in Sci-Fi.

Never could get into Farscape.

Re:Best Sci Fi Ever? Nah! That would be: Firefly! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11040115)

Perhaps you need more cock in your scifi?

pre-emptive mirror (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039683)

Steven Beck will direct a big screen adaptation of the popular sci-fi TV series Babylon 5. The movie, titled The Memory of Shadows, is intended for theatrical release and was written by series creator J. Michael Straczynski. Production Weekly reports that the project starts filming this April in the UK.

In "Shadows," the technology of the ancient and extinct Shadow race is being unleashed upon the galaxy by an unknown force, and Earthforce intelligence officer Diane Baker, whose brother was recently killed in a mysterious explosion, it out to find out who is behind the intergalactic conspiracy.

Joining her is Galen, a techno-mage who has been charged with keeping the technology out of the hands of those who would abuse it.

Re:pre-emptive mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039961)

galen, well if it invovled that crap about magic and "techo-mages" it will be crap just like the spin off was!!! WORSE THAN ANDROMEDA!~!!!@!#~@#~#

Question ... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039700)

From the article:

Joining her is Galen, a techno-mage who has been charged with keeping the technology out of the hands of those who would abuse it.

I don't recall, but isn't he the guy from Crusade? I only saw two episodes but that name sounds familiar.

Re:Question ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039720)

Yeap

Re:Question ... (4, Insightful)

Abel29A (598776) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039748)

Thats correct. Galen was the techno mage...

Which lead me to fear this film will be more Crusader than Babylon5, and I for one did not really find the whole Crusader spinn-off that great.

It became to much of a Star Trek clone.....(One ship travelling through space encountering weird aliens...)

Wheres the fun in that? B5 was all about grand campaign and universe-spanning alliances.

BTW. The First B5 movie is really great(The one dealing with Earth-Minbari War). The other two less so.

Re:Question ... (2, Insightful)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039780)

In the beginning and "A call to arms" were both great... The rest of the movies, less so, but still good compared to most trek movies (especially considering they were made for tv movies and only cost like a million each or something lol)...

I hope he can pull off making this movie as badass as some of the best episodes in the series (severed dreams, into the fire, endgame, etc etc!!!)

Re:Question ... (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039801)

Third Space? Excellent movie. They made the Third Space aliens look horrible (floating manta rays, essentially), but that aside, it really grips you.

Re:Question ... (1)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039848)

hmm, i guess i should download it and watch it again... (i have not seen the legend of the rangers, so i cant say if i liked htat or not)

Re:Question ... (2, Insightful)

lightknight (213164) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040122)

Bah, Legend of the Rangers sucks. Watched it completely, hated it. It was so...typically Star Trek-esque, I mean "explore new worlds, encounter new species, blah". That gets old.

What you need is a stationary place for things to develop. DS9 was ok in this regard, but Babylon 5 was great. I mean, things developed. I want nothing more than to see an episode of Babylon where Lita (augmented telepath) returns, removes the mind block from Garibaldi, and watch as Garibaldi does something truly evil to Bester. I mean, at the end, you are just gagging for Bester to get it.

That said, Garibaldi and Bester were hilarious. Franklin was great, his drama acting really shows. Sheridan and Delenn were great in there own way. But every time Bester showed up, you knew there was going to be some back and forth.

Third Space (Babylon 5 movie) is where they come across a piece of Vorlon technology, which seems to open greater gateways than that of hyperspace. You find out that it does open to another dimension, but there's something evil waiting on the other end.

Re:Question ... (4, Informative)

ionpro (34327) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039783)

There were actually five Bab5 movies (/me fires up the FTP client):
I: In the Beginning (Earth-Minbari War, editorialized by Londo)
II: Thirdspace (Set Between winning the Shadow War and the assault on earth, the B5 crew finds a portal to another dimension left by the Vorlons)
III: The River Of Souls (Elaboration on the Soul Keeper concept introduced in one of the first episodes)
IV: The Legend of the Rangers -- which, by the way, I quite liked. I think it's been much maligned. Ranger movie
V: A Call To Arms -- this set the backplot for the spin-off Crusade.

These were all TNT (?) Movies of the Week.

Re:Question ... (1)

GenPetahhhh (838751) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039871)

I think Legend of the Rangers was a SciFi movie and not TNT but not sure

Re:Question ... (2, Informative)

tap (18562) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039970)

You're right about that, it was a pilot for a possible new B5 series on sci-fi. The didn't buy crusade becaue it wasn't bad enough, sci-fi only buys crap series. So JMS came up with a new series that was worse than crusade, but it still wasn't bad enough for sci-fi. So they bought Andromeda, Scare Tactics, and the 3rd season of Lexx instead.

JMS says lengend of the rangers was killed by Osama bin Laden. After 9/11, the NFL postponed their games. That meant the football season ended later. Which caused B5:LotR to go up against a football game on the east coast. This game just so happened to be the most watched football game ever. So the east cost ratings weren't good enough for a series, but on the west coast, with no game, they were.

Re:Question ... (1)

Wizarth (785742) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039749)

Yup, that's the one. He did show up in the B5 series, only briefly though.

Re:Question ... (1)

rusty0101 (565565) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039861)

Actually, he showed up in "A Call To Arms." Which was one of the made for TV movies, and has been noted elsewhere was the segway between the B5 series, and the Crusade series. (As did the young lady portraying a thief. Wouldn't be surprised if she shows up as well.)

Other Technomages did show up in the series before the shadow war broke in earnest. They were on their way to a place of privacy. The intent being to prevent their knowledge from being used in battle.

-Rusty

B5 Series vs Movies (3, Interesting)

Thenomain (537937) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039704)

While I was a devoted watcher of the Babylon 5 series from the first episode, even when my local syndicate started showing it at 1:30 am Sunday Morning, I've been disappointed in every one of the B5 Movies. In fact, I think each movie was progressively worse than the next.

Have things changed? I don't know. I certainly hope so, but B5 Fan that I am, I'm still probably going to wait until the dollar theatres for this one.

Unless the previews look absolutely fan-freaking-tastic, of course. Then I'll probably get suckered in, like always. *raises a fist at the sky and shakes it* I swore after Legend of the Rangers, never again. Damn you!

Re:B5 Series vs Movies (1)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039750)

I thought that 'In the Beginning' was awesome. The others could have been better. I hope that the movie does well.

Re:B5 Series vs Movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039790)

A call to arms was really good too.. the rest, well, less so. But don't forget its partially cuz JMS didnt have the creative control over things that he woudl have desired... Crusade was quite good as well, it wasn't b5, but considering it was just going to be the first season, and the rest was going to deal with stuff like the telepath war etc... it was pretty damn good!

Re:B5 Series vs Movies (2, Insightful)

bl968 (190792) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039991)

Any time you go into a movie with preconceptions and your own ideas and what is going to happen or what should happen you will be disappointed. It's like the person who goes into a movie and 15 minutes into it has guessed the ending and of course they don't enjoy the movie quite as much as someone who lets it happen in it's own pace without trying to look behind the scenes for the solution.

Me personally I enjoyed the series and I have enjoyed the movies. I expect this one to be no exception.

Re:B5 Series vs Movies (1)

Bam359 (796809) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040040)

I think the main reason for this is that the show was designed with a 5 year (or was that 2000 year?) story arc. There is simply no way that a two hour movie can do that justice. This is probably why the Star Trek movies are always so disappointing, they end up feeling like just another episode, a long episode at that. The difference with Babylon 5 is that they don't reset to zero at the end of each episode, which means that this will further the mythology of an already good story...bring it on!

First Post ... (5, Funny)

sarice (26064) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039708)

Oddly, the first post to this slashdot story
was submitted 1000 years ago.

Re:First Post ... (1)

Abel29A (598776) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039758)

Lol.... And Valen was his Naaaaame-O! By the by, anybody else find Zathras to be the funniest time-travelling alien ever?

Re:First Post ... (5, Funny)

ke6 (96078) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039781)

Zathras wasn't funny. That was Zathras who was funny. Zathras got all of mothers funny.

No, poor Zathras here likes dirt and bugs. All part of great scheme of things.

What, no Telepath War? (1)

nebaz (453974) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039713)

Summary from the article
In "Shadows," the technology of the ancient and extinct Shadow race is being unleashed upon the galaxy by an unknown force, and Earthforce intelligence officer Diane Baker, whose brother was recently killed in a mysterious explosion, it out to find out who is behind the intergalactic conspiracy.

Sounds more like Legend of the Rangers than the Telepath War, which is what some of us figured any feature film would be about. Too bad.

Not sure if I'm going to see it (2, Insightful)

MagicDude (727944) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039727)

I'm not sure I'm going to want to see it when it comes out. Not because I don't like B5, but I don't get what's going on. I've tried several times to get into B5, but I keep finding myself not understanding what was going on. If I watch an episode in the middle of season 3, I don't get half the references to things that have happened already, so I don't understand what's being done in that episode. I have tried to watch it from the beginning when Sci-fi loops around and starts showing it from season 1 episode 1, but my schedule isn't such that I can set aside that same bit of time every day to watch it, so I invariably end up missing episodes. Being a poor student, I can't afford a TIVO, and I'm not going to buy a VCR just for this (and I'd probably forget to set it sooner or later anyway). Thus I'm continually left out of a series I really want to get into. So when this movie comes out, if I haven't seen B5 through, I don't know if I'd want to go to see this movie if I don't think I'd be able to get what they're talking about in the movie.

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039770)

The B5 seasons are out of DVD. You're a poor student, I understand, but maybe you've got a friend, or a friend of a friend somewhere on your college campus who has the set.

Watch them in order from the beginning of Season 1 to the end of Season 4, and you'll be very impressed.

The budget at the beginning was low, and some of the plots appear to be shallow and trivial, but almost every episode serves to move the plot of the entire series forward, if only in character development.

I can't watch any Star Trek anymore because of B5. I'm just too disappointed EVERY SINGLE FRICKKIN' TIME!

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (4, Insightful)

AmiNTT (539586) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039969)

I have to agree. Star Trek was completely ruined for me by Babylon 5. The whole 5 year arc concept is amazing - stuff that you see in the first season, which you think was mildly interesting, suddenly three seasons later becomes really important!

Each time a season would come out, I'd loose two days to watching the entire thing. The final episode (Sleeping in Light) gets me every single time I watch it.

I strongly recommend B5 to anyone who likes Sci-fi. Start in season 1 and work your way forwards. It makes far more sense this way. Watch the movies (other than the pilot) AFTER you watch the series. Avoid the temptation of "In the Beginning". It is better that way, in my opinion.

torrents here!!! (-1, Offtopic)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039806)

(not karma whoring, my karma is maxed heh)

http://68.110.14.99:8080/torrent/Babylon.5/

please enjoy, hop on!

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (4, Insightful)

Macrat (638047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039833)

You're the reason the networks have to dumb down programming.

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (1)

zors (665805) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039867)

Yeah that was always one of the marks against it, in terms of mass consumption. I rather liked that as opposed to STNG, things actually lasted more than one episode. Like somethin bad would happen to a character, but would be better by next episode.

Funnily enough in Amazing Spider-Man when it was being written by J. Michael Straczynski there was a scene where two Nuclear Something or Other Facility Guards hold a (in comic books) lengthy discussion over this point. I forget the exact wording, but one guard says to the other about how long it takes for B5 to go through a plotline, and the other guard says that thats the beauty of Babylon Five.

Okay, so maybe i messed up the delivery, but it was a good idea at the time.

Same as the new Star Trek (1)

RealNecator (554054) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039893)

Same problem as the "new old Enterprise" has. As ist's a big developing story, people are not willing to accept it.
Sad, as it's the best Star Trek ever done in my opinion.

Re:Same as the new Star Trek (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040081)

It's not a big developing story. Berman and Branna is pulling it out of their ass as they go along (even though last season's big Xindi story was ongoing... they had no idea on how to it would end).

Reason people don't accept it is because it pretty much destroy all the accepted continuity and heart of Star Trek(Vulcans behaving irrational and emotional etc).

Heck, Berman is on record not liking Star Trek that much. And it wasn't until the rating went down the toilet that TPTB did everything they could to be associated with Star Trek (first two season, the show was called Enterprise, now it's suddenly Star Trek: Enterprise).

Hopefully, now that Manny Coto has taken over, it should get better (the first two three-parters were pretty good).

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039905)

Being a poor student, I can't afford a TIVO, and I'm not going to buy a VCR just for this (and I'd probably forget to set it sooner or later anyway)

You can get a VCR for $10 or less at a garage sale. Get a T-160 tape, put it on EP. Set a timer. If you start to get busy with school, buy antother tape for $3.

If this is too much effort, you don't want to see it that badly.

Re:Not sure if I'm going to see it (3, Interesting)

Siener (139990) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040091)

Not because I don't like B5, but I don't get what's going on. I've tried several times to get into B5, but I keep finding myself not understanding what was going on. If I watch an episode in the middle of season 3, I don't get half the references to things that have happened already, so I don't understand what's being done in that episode.

This is the reason why the networks never really liked B5, but it's also the thing that makes B5 way cooler than any other tv series. Instead of the old "problem of the week" format of most tv series, B5 has a five year coherent story line.

I love the feeling when in (say) series 4 they reference something that happened way back in series 1. Totally mind blowing: "No way ... that was planned that three years ahead!"

My wife hates most sf, end even she became an addict after I showed her the dvds.

PS If you can't afford the dvds, maybe try something like netflix

Catch Up (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039729)

I was never into B5. It was cool and all, but the plots were so interwoven it never grabed me. (Maybe if I saw it from day one things would be diffrent) Aneway, will I need to do any serous catchup before this movie makes sence. BTW, the SCI-FI Icon is a guy from the original Star Trek. w00t! Sory, trekey moment has passed.

Re:Catch Up (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039813)

I envy you. You will look back on the first time you saw B5 in the same way you look back on the first time you read Dune, or Lord of the Ring. Or the first time you saw Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan. Or Star Wars.

I'm not comparing B5 to any of those things. I'm just saying that when you devour a literary or cinematic treat, you will always remember it.

Crusade threads tied (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039733)

I like Crusade, and I hope they tie up the loose ends, what with the Drakh plague and all.

Too bad Richard Biggs isn't around anymore.

must be a quiet day (-1, Flamebait)

djeddiej (825677) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039734)

I am surprised (sarcasm) to see the huge response in excitement to a Babylon 5 movie. Really, don't get me wrong, I am sure there are some fans out there. But I was turned off by the cheesy effects and unbelievably dumb storylines a long time ago (the first episode, in fact). I thought that slashdot was about "stuff that matters".

Re:must be a quiet day (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039760)

I'm not a huge B5 fan, but a lot of people on Slashdot are. It matters to them. And looking at your posting record over the last little bit, I would say "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Most of your posts seem to be stuff that matters VERY little.

Babylonu GO! (-1, Flamebait)

Bi()hazard (323405) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039737)

In "Shadows," the technology of the ancient and extinct Shadow race is being unleashed upon the galaxy by an unknown force, and Earthforce intelligence officer Diane Baker, whose brother was recently killed in a mysterious explosion, it out to find out who is behind the intergalactic conspiracy.

Joining her is Galen, a techno-mage who has been charged with keeping the technology out of the hands of those who would abuse it.


Did they rip the plot off from some anime? Come on! I bet you people could name 10 animes with a disturbingly similar plot, featuring a cute female heroine and techno-mages.

This sounds like it's going to be live action though, so maybe it'll end up like Cutie Honey [scarywater.net] and Cutie Honey [scarywater.net].

Re:Babylonu GO! (1)

mfearby (1653) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039907)

I couldn't name one anime with a similar plot, however, this is probably because the only decent anime was Astroboy and Starblazers, and everything else is just cutesy-crap!

Re:Babylonu GO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039996)

well if you want masive space batels and long intricate plots i have to sugest legend of the galactic hero

http://animenfo.com/animetitle,644,uinshf,legend _o f_the_g.html

it doesnt have the "good" and "evil" crap we are used to, both sides evolve

i'm at episode 27 now and not once have i been disapointed in this 110 episode story.

About Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039743)

Though How Similar will it be to that failed half of a season sequal series Crusade? Saw they are going to have Galen (which was a character I liked from that show) but Sounds like a re-hash attempt at something they allready did. But I'll still go see it, this is the only TV show that I actually went out and bought all the DVDs for (even the movies). So I hope the theature version is good!

Re:About Time (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039855)

Failed?

TNT canned it because they wanted a mindless weekly shoot-em-up action series.

Re:Galen (2, Interesting)

ran93r (671906) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039754)

Crusade did have a Galen, played by british actor Peter Woodward, son of the other british actor Edward (affectionately known as edwoodwoodwoodwood). Same guy? Most probably although crusade was pretty much on a par with the dire made-for-tv movies.

Re:Galen (1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039827)

I hope Peter Woodward does play Galen. He was good in the role, and it would jar to see somebody else in it. One of the best episodes of Crusade was the one his father was in.

B5 went downhill... (1, Interesting)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039755)

Am I alone in being disappointed in just about all Babylon 5 after season four?

I mean... I understand that JMS had to rush to get the "President Clark/Earth's Civil War" storyline resolved by the end of S4, because it wasn't certain if there WAS going to be a season five. But after the drama, tension, and climax of S4, five was a long, drawn-out, letdown. "Whiney goths in space" is NOT good television; and it was all I could do not to change the channel every time that wanker Byron was on screen.

After that, "In The Beginning" and "Thirdspace" got my hopes up. But "Call To Arms", and "River of Souls" were lackluster. And "Crusade" was sad.... just plain sad. I saw the first ten minutes of "Legend of the Rangers", at a friend's house, and could only think that I wasn't missing much, not having cable.

This movie is going to have to be seriously spectacular in order to convince me that B5, as good as it USED to be, isn't played out.

cya,
john

Re:B5 went downhill... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039816)

Meh, season 5 existed to tie up loose ends.. to tell us the rest of the story... sort of like what SHOULD have happened at the end of lord of the rings...

I also admit, I didnt think that the first half of season 5 was up to par with seasons 3 and 4. BUT BUT BUT the 2nd half of season 5 was!!!

Also, you liked thirdspace??? I thought it was terrible lol. LOVED in the beginning and a call to arms though!!! (how could you not like a call to arms, it was badass!)

I also liked a lot of crusade, remember it was just supposed to be the first season, but it got cancelled.. we were gonna see the telepath war and stuff... think of how dissapointed in b5 you would have been if you just saw the first half of the first season.. woulda been really, really lame!!!!

Re:B5 went downhill... (1)

angryelephant (678279) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039828)

I stopped really being interested in it after the shadow war. Somehow people using shadow alien technology wasn't as riveting as shadow aliens using shadow alien technology.

Re:B5 went downhill... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039930)

No, you're not alone. Season 5 was weak, and the tele-movies went downhill in quality rather quickly. Crusade was boring and the less said about Legend of the Rangers the better. JMS certainly proved his mettle as a writer during much of B5's run, but afterwards, well...

Like his cameo appearance in Sleeping in Light, JMS should just turn off the lights and let B5 retire with dignity.

Re:B5 went downhill... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11040003)

I actually stopped watching after season 4 and this is after spending 4 years listening to it at midnight and wherever else the local station would show it (not show it one week and then throw two episodes on a saturday afternoon with no previous warning).

The characters and storyline were causing way too much eye rolling by S4 but it probably started when they brought it Mr.Bruce Mediocrity as lead.

I tried to get back and give Crusades and TV movies a shot but I was out of the loop too long and the decors reminded me later on of the great Hercules In Outer Space series which followed a few years later.

B5 was like a marriage you leave on time.
Nice honeymoon the first year, still giving the high hard one the second but by the third
you started noticing things and by year 4, the few moment of happiness werent enough to keep you from looking elsewhere. You get a few pangs in year 5 about maybe going back if even for one quick in and out to see it things have changed but you find something else quickly to keep yourself busyand never thing about it again.

garry gervais

B5 movie...info at last! (4, Informative)

Random Chaos (831686) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039766)

Well, this is news that is long awaited. It looks like this may be a follow-on to the Crusade spin-off series since it is dealing with leftover Shadow technology. Plus Galen, being present in Crusade, draws a link between those two. There have been rumors that Lando might show up in it...and where he goes G'Kar goes too. JMS also made some comments a while back about having to rewrite the script some after Richard Biggs died (Dr. Franklin) so clearly it looks like some B5 crew from the original show might show up beyond the ambassadors.

Can't wait to hear more news.

*Waiting for JMS to release some info directly still

Re:B5 movie...info at last! (1)

jettoblack (683831) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039842)

Holy crap, this is the first time I heard Richard Biggs died. I met him at a convention in 2002 I think, shook his hand, and then he ran off. I always thought I'd have another chance to grab an autograph or something...

Truly the loss of a great, if relatively unknown actor...

Re:B5 movie...info at last! (1)

BlueLightning (442320) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039945)

Passed away in May this year, according to IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0081863/

At least he won't be forgotten.

Re:B5 movie...info at last! (1)

Corbin Dallas (165835) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039978)

Truly the loss of a great, if relatively unknown actor...

I agree completely. You can actually catch him one last time in one of the new "Dawn of the Dead"'s bonus features. He played a news anchor who was broadcasting live during the crisis. The scene also featured an audio appearance by another B5 alumni, appropriately cast as the president.

That said, I have high hopes for this movie. I've always loved JMS's B5 universe, and it was only after the property was aquired by Turner that it's quality took a nose dive. ( Season 5+ ) Hopefully JMS can keep tighter control over the quality of it's content.

And speaking of quality, I wonder how they're going to fare in today's CG Hollywood. Their stuff was pretty cutting edge at the time.

Also unfortunately... (2, Informative)

nebaz (453974) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040096)

Tim Choate (Zathras) also died recently in a motorcycle accident. :-( link [google.com]

Re:B5 movie...info at last! (2, Informative)

ce25254 (25706) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040138)

There have been rumors that Lando might show up in it...and where he goes G'Kar goes too.
Londo (Mollari) was in Babylon 5, Lando (Calrissian) was in Star Wars films. Probably a typo, but anyway. (Surprised I remember this, actually--I forgot all about Star Wars after seeing Babylon 5.)

Holy Crap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039839)

It's accaulty a tv series?!?! I've been using the name Babylon 5 for years as a name of a far away planet, i.e. "Where'd that guy come from? I dunno, Babylon 5??".

Anyone else find the last episode really lame? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039865)

I mean, I was a casual watcher, but I thought the last episode was a real disappointment.
"Ooh, hostile aliens aren't really hostile, they just want you to evolve"
"Wow, let's crash a ship into their city, killing them and all the main characters"(*cough*Starcraft*cough)

Give it a fucking rest! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039872)

Face it losers, Babylon 5 sucked ass. The only thing that sucked worse was Deep Space Nine. There is nothing interesting about a space port where people come and go. That is the main failing of both of the above mentioned series. The best stories always involve a new world/universe/time. Star Trek, the original series ruled because it was all about travelling to different planets and meeting new beings. STTNG continued that thread and added new polish to the original idea. Hell, even Enterprise is a lot better than Babylon 5 because they don't always do the same thing every week. Space ports = YAWN (bigtime!) The best SciFi series in all history are the following:

1. Doctor Who (the ultimate best. He solved problems with his mind, not macho crap)
2. STTOS (Even though they did resort to fighting some times, at least they kept the settings interesting)
3. Sliders (Again, someone who preferred to use his mind instead of his might. At least in the first two seasons. Also I love parallel world fiction. It's the most intriguing of the genre)

And that's it. Everything else is a suckfest in a pig's asshole. Star Wars? Sucks. Firefly? Sucks. SG-1? Sucks. Farscape? Sucks. They all suck. The only thing I've seen lately (and it's gone now no thanks to the shitty SciFi channel) is Andromeda. That show had a lot of really great potential and was well on it's way to becoming one of the better series. Beyond that, there is nothing else as good and Babylon 5 is at the bottom of the barrell. What you say? It was made with the Amiga? Who the FUCK CARES??? The Amiga is a dead machine with nothing to offer. Give it a rest. Put Amiga out of it's misery and shoot it behind the bjarne. Take Babylon 5 with you. Idiots.

Re:Give it a fucking rest! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039959)

Thanks for the laugh. It was a good one.

BTW, how's life in the parents basement?

Re:Give it a fucking rest! (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040066)

I like how you see a big difference between STTOS and DS9 when in actuality they're the same. Superficially STTOS was about exploring planets, but it wasn't really. It was about exploring humanity and what it means to be human. It explored our past and how we once were. Deep Space Nine did the exact same thing. It's possible to argue it explored a larger variety of important issues.

This movie will be great (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039878)

I expect it to be in the league of such luminaries as "Plan 9 from Outer Space" and "Battlefield Earth"

Doctor JewDoctor Who (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039888)

"Travelling through time and space to steal people's money and take over their media"

Good stories, acting and dialogue awful (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039917)

On B5 the acting and dialogue is usually so poor that I couldn't stand to watch it and gave up pretty early on. I guess I'll make an exception for the Scarecrow and the ex-Romulan.

Heck the acting and dialogue make Voyager look good by comparison and Voyager is (cheese)^n, n being arbitrarily large.

But a B5 movie gives me hope for a DS-9 flick one day, so more power to 'em...

OMG! OMG! (1, Informative)

-noefordeg- (697342) | more than 9 years ago | (#11039956)

-My first thought when reading this :)

I think Babylon 5 is without a doubt the best sci-fi series I've seen. And the last time I watched it through, I had located some of the best sites (IMO) on the net with references/story/background/everything for each B5 episode and read everything before watching an episode.
Especially reading the Lurker's Episode Guide added a lot to the series.

Lurker's Guide. [midwinter.com]
Timeline from Babylon 5 History Page [chronology.org]

Re:OMG! OMG! (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040075)

I entirely agree. Remember the episode where Sheridan nukes the city on Za'Hadum? Every time I watch it it still makes my hair stand on end. Such a masterful piece of drama, ratcheting up the tension, putting Sheridan in a seemingly impossibly bad situation, pulling the greatest climactic moment in TV Sci-Fi history, and then leaving the ending hanging on a limb as you try to figure out if Sheridan is dead or alive. God I've got to borrow the season 4 DVDs from my mate again!

another direct ot dvd production (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11039988)

with trekkies and star wars fan there is no room for anything else.

JMS will come through (2, Interesting)

QuantumFTL (197300) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040027)

This spring my boss at the Jet Propulsion Lab invited J. Michael Straczynski out for a tour of the place... I was very lucky to spend an afternoon with him and his wife (shameless pic! [cornell.edu]). I somehow managed to stave off most of the B5 references that came to me as we were showing him around (but alas I still came off as the fanboy I am).

I asked him what he thought about the upcoming movie project, whether he thought it would be good or not. He replied, "It's going to be shit." After a moment I caught the sarcasm and I realized that he would not be doing this movie if he didn't have a great story to tell.

Judging from the stories he has already told, I think it's going to be well worth the wait.

Cheers,
Justin Wick

Re:JMS will come through (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11040057)

Wow, you're one short ugly dude. Look like a dork too.

bab5 (1)

DMJC-L (800240) | more than 9 years ago | (#11040084)

best way to get into babylon 5 is to buy the dvd box sets... I bought the first one as a total gamble.. now I own upto season 3... trying to save cash for the last two boxes.. it's definately worth the money... best written sci-fi EVER.

forget the movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11040111)

i think that this would make an exilent sci-fi, political mmo-type game. just a thought
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