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So. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063575)

And IE is at...

Re:So. (1)

OAB_X (818333) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063604)

Several tens of millions.

But even one million is an accomplishment, as most of those peoples use Firefox. Not all SP2 users use IE. Some use Firefox. I know at least half a dozen who I "converted"

Re:So. (2, Insightful)

adaminnj (712407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063612)

I don't recall anybody downloading IE

so. your point?

Re:So. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063618)

I don't recall anybody downloading IE

You either have a terrible memory or are 8 years old.

Re:So. (1)

adaminnj (712407) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063665)

Well Let's See

Win 3.x no IE Mosaic my browser of choice
Win 95 IE standard
Etc, etc, etc.

if I needed IE I could get it off a software CD or a Win * update
but who really went out to "download" IE it self (not update)

Re:So. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063623)

Internet Explorer had about 40% marketshare even before it was bundled with Windows 98. Take that Firefox!

Re:So. (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063663)

I don't think that's going to phase firefox :) Until you switch to a non-p.o.s. browser I don't think anyone's going to take what you say seriously, Mr Anonymous Coward.

Taking it back (3, Insightful)

cghancock01 (790341) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063576)

But the work's not over yet...

China: FireFox and Sweet&Sour Pork (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063715)

There is much more work to do. China is the source of most of the world's spammers, virus writers, and hackers [phrusa.org] . FireFox enjoys relative freedom from viruses and malware because FireFox has not yet become the target of Chinese hackers. Wait till FireFox acquires more than a 20% share of the market.

Then, FireFox will be more attractive than Sweet&Sour Pork to the Chinese hackers. Winter Melon Soup, anyone?

Re:Taking it back (4, Interesting)

Eric Giguere (42863) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063776)

No, the work's not over yet, and I think it's time to focus attention on Thunderbird, because Outlook Express is also a security risk. Just replacing IE on a machine won't be enough, in my opinion.

Now, I've not had as good an experience with Thunderbird as with Firefox, so that's a problem. Large message databases that open very quickly with OE take on the order of 10-15 seconds with Thunderbird 1.0, which is a significant difference. That could give newbies a bad impression of TB, even though feature-wise it's way ahead of OE.

Eric
JavaScript is not Java [ericgiguere.com]

First (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063578)

yeah

Great! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063580)

Consumers will be the only ones to gain from this. Now either Microsoft attempts to get their act together or everyone (myself included) will just go for Firefox.

Re:Great! (1, Insightful)

liangzai (837960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063679)

No, people will continue to be

1) ignorant about the existence of "alternative" browsers

2) habitually addicted to their fave browser

I dont know how many times I have tried to make people realize the advantages of using another browser, to no avail. And this is mostly on Mac OS X boxes, where the advantages are even more apparent. People desperately try to cling on to what is familiar. It's psychological, it doesn't signify these people are stupid.

So, I conclude that I and da slashdot fellas do have a natural ability for these things (curiosity, knowledge, no fear), whereas most people don't and never will, and so the populace will always follow the meager main path of doing things. Does this really surprise anyone?

IE will stick around for a long time, and will only slowly die away. Before it does, MS will have it replaced with a Gecko browser that has everything the regular Geckos have but with an additional feature set and seamless integration with the DOS. Unless they come into the game too late.

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063716)

Excuse me? Listen here matey, if Fartyfox worked *properly* on OS X, I'd be happy to use it. But until/unless it does, then I'll stick with Safari, thank you very much.

Pah! Browser fascists...

Re:Great! (1)

liangzai (837960) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063773)

Right, I also use Safari, which is a Gecko browser. It has some features that other Geckos lack, for instance fast rendering ATSUI (for me the most single important issue) and a completely native interface. It also has some bugs that other Geckos have done away with. There are times I will have to go to Firefox or Mozilla to deal with pages.

You didn't dispute my main argument about IE vs Gecko, did you? Didn't think so.

Rollover (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063583)

Welcome to counter rollover day on slashdot. Please run out to your cars and see if you might reach some important milestone on your odometer, it may be worth a story.

Re:Rollover (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063667)

Shit it's time for an oil change

aborted :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063585)

and 5 million of them were aborted due to some network suckage :)

New York Times Advertisement? (1)

spencer84 (838326) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063586)

So how soon until they release their New York Times advertisement?

Re:New York Times Advertisement? (2, Informative)

DarthMAD (805372) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063635)

Apparently, it was delayed because they were changing it and adding much more of something (signatures or something I believe) than originally planned. Still, it probably won't be more than a few months away at most. Honestly though, this is just to flaunt it in Microsoft's face. I doubt that many people will be convinced to get Firefox from an ad in the Times, but it certainly won't hurt.

Re:New York Times Advertisement? (-1, Redundant)

ScriptMonkey (660975) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063639)

The NYT Firefox add will be run the same day as the add announcing Duke Nukem Forever's release date.

Re:New York Times Advertisement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063765)

I tend to agree with this article [spreadfirefox.com] that the NYT ad may be misguided.

Blasted!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063589)

We cannot change the download counter by hitting the refresh button!!!

It's just funny to me... (5, Funny)

mat catastrophe (105256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063591)

how something that used to have updates every three to four months now causes people to wet their pants like this: "the latest nightly has been working flawlessly for me all of today."

I mean, don't you all have something serious to occupy your time with? Like Half-Life 2 patches? Or writing the walkthrough?

Or, something?

Re:It's just funny to me... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063633)

What is funny for me is the moderation of the parent post. It is in no way Insightful or Funny, it's a pure Troll.

Come on Mods WAKE UP!

Re:It's just funny to me... (3, Interesting)

mat catastrophe (105256) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063718)

no, AC, it's not a "pure troll" - I don't do "pure troll." I might, at times, speak some vague dialect of troll. But this was not one of those times.

I was being serious.

Ten million downloads is impressive. And it is nice to think that people might finally be looking at non-Microsoft ways of using the Web and Net. That's wonderful. But shit, it's been over three years since I was using Nightly Builds of anything. If shit ain't working by now...it probably isn't worth working on.

Ah, now that was a wee bit offsides, now wasn't it? A bit trollish?

Still, the more trollish posts are the "none of this matters! IE still 0wnZ the m0z!" Go flame them, Cowboy. And maybe even put some of your precious Karma at risk to do it.

My post is based on ten years worth of waiting on Netscape updates. I remember being excited by 2.0. Those were the days. This is just candy for hyperactive neo-nerds of the new century. Fuck 'em. Call me at the major release dates and don't give me a shitty product, ok?

Re:It's just funny to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063649)

I mean, don't you all have something serious to occupy your time with? Like Half-Life 2 patches? Or writing the walkthrough? Or, something?

Like flaming you?

Re:It's just funny to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063682)

HOLY CHRIST IT'S 10,000,001 DOWNLOADS!

Time to post more bullshit on slashdot!

Re:It's just funny to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063753)

> Or, something?

Maybe he has a gf and they got together last night and went to the cinema today in a love crescendo... nah, who am I fooling?

8-P

Firefox is serious business (0, Redundant)

ghost509 (457002) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063592)

That goes to show that Firefox has definitly become a major player in the browser wars.

Good job, Keep it up!

#include "a_life.h"

Adblock (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063595)

Adblock is simply the best extension. Get rid of flash ads etc. http://adblock.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org]

Re:Adblock (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063632)

It works great of removing ads from slashdot. /hint hint

10 million enlightened folks (2, Funny)

coolsva (786215) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063596)

We need to keep up with this momentum to make firefox the standard browser.

I also hope, the firefox/mozilla team does not rest on its laurels, and create new features and innovations which can be used as the basis for the next generation of web applications (the last ones were when there was a competetion of sorts between IE and NS)

its nice... (3, Interesting)

LilGuy (150110) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063601)

but i've had a few complaints... one being it crashes a whole lot more than ie does, two it takes a bit longer to get it to start up for the first time - not a big deal, but a little annoying, and three embedded windows media files won't seem to play at all.

Re:its nice... (1)

rednip (186217) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063759)

but i've had a few complaints... one being it crashes a whole lot more than ie does...
I don't know what you are doing, but I haven't seen firefox crash in several months.
two it takes a bit longer to get it to start up for the first time
I find that Firefox load very quickly, expecially when compared to other third party apps running on a windows pc.
and three embedded windows media files won't seem to play at all
Tools-->Options-->Downloads-->File Types. Make sure that the media play of your choice is confired for that file type and you should be able to see thoses clips. If you still can't see those clips, most likely that site uses active x components to manage the files. Then the real problem would be a site designed for IE, not a problem with Firefox.

Re:its nice... (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063769)

Firefox has never crashed on me.
Except when I'm doing
make install
on my Firefox build, and using it at the same time.

IE IS DEAD! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063603)

IE is dead! Netcraft confirmeth!

Re:IE IS DEAD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063666)

This joke is dead! SOVIET RUSSIA Confirmeth!

Re:IE IS DEAD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063690)

> This joke is dead! SOVIET RUSSIA Confirmeth!

And that joke is so dead it's been heated up, poured down your pants, then later petrified, molded into an open source CD, and used to SMASH YOUR HEAD!

Re:IE IS DEAD! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063774)

actually its not yet dead,
just pretty old.
itd be okay if you were in korea....but otherwise...

i guess i could have tried to work out something sensible.

Re:IE IS DEAD! (4, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063731)

Good fscking riddence if it is given the appalling implementation of CSS in IE that MS claims is "standards compliant". I've just put together a CSS based website using Firefox to do my initial development. OK, I'm a little on the cutting edge with the design, but Opera, Safari and Konqi all manage at least a passable stab at rendering it - nothing that you'd know was a problem unless you knew to look for it. IE, on the otherhand, is just so far out there you wouldn't believe with radically different renderings between platforms, IE versions, even Service Pack levels, and don't even get me started on "Quirks" and "Standards" modes...

Total time to develop website - 1 week. Total time to hack the CSS/HTML about to get it working in at least a reasonable number of IE varients - five weeks and counting... Seeing Firefox stomp on IE's marketshare - priceless! To develop a standards compliant website, there's open source, for anything else there's Microsoft...

well the statistics are flawed (5, Funny)

Nadsat (652200) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063605)

I downloaded 8 million of them myself. So the numbers perhaps are slightly misleading.

Re:well the statistics are flawed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063641)

I downloaded 8 million of them myself. So the numbers perhaps are slightly misleading.
So YOU must have been the person who keeps rigging the Slashdot polls!

P.S. I am also blaming you for the occasional missing CowboyNeal option(s).

Re:well the statistics are flawed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063698)

"P.S. I am also blaming you for the occasional missing CowboyNeal option(s)."

Some of us don't have an obsession with fat.

Re:well the statistics are flawed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063643)

And how do you store all of them or 'beware' run all at the same time?

I know that people sometimes need more than one window to surf the net - but 8 Million?

Re:well the statistics are flawed (1)

MikeXpop (614167) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063770)

He needed something to use with the 8 million new monitors he bought.

Duh.

Re:well the statistics are flawed (4, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063662)

But by a similarly exaggerated amount I downloaded one copy and deployed it onto 8 million PCs, so it probably balances out. 10m downloads is all very impressive, but I don't see any way of converting that into the actual userbase that would be any more reliable than taking a guess. In addition to the above cases you've also got people that have since removed it (wait till the next IE exploit, fools!), installs onto multiuser systems, those that have installed from magazine cover disks, third party package archives or distro updates.

Even so, I'd say it's pretty certain that the total number of people using Firefox v1.0 on a regular basis is *much* higher than 10m, and still growing...

Conversion (1)

idolcrash (836925) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063610)

I'm glad Firefox has been getting the attention it deserves (for all the right reasons, to boot). I've been a faithful user since the phoenix days, and still love it. I've been slowly turning family and friends to it, but old habits die hard for many.

Do you all try to get them to use Firefox? How does it work out?

Including... (2, Informative)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063620)

Three copies for me, one for each of my systems. Unfortunately still have to use IE at work, but working on that. :(.

Before Firefox, I would routinely, between Ad-Aware and Spybot, be cleaning up 50-100 spyware/adware infections a week between the machines. (This was with IE set to high security.) After switching to Firefox, the highest weekly total (between all the systems) has been five.

Firefox typically opens within a couple seconds of clicking whatever needs to use it. I routinely had IE take half a minute. If I needed any proof that Firefox is a superior, faster, more secure browser, this has certainly been it. I'll never use IE again.

Re:Including... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063638)

Unfortunatly, in all my cases IE takes 5 seconds, while firefox decides to take 20+. After about 3 launches, however, windows finally figures out that i want Firefox in ram, not IE, and keeps it loaded.

Re:Including... (1)

joeware (672849) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063651)

Why do you have to use IE at work? Just try installing Firefox. I don't have admin rights, but I was able to install Firefox anyway. Can anyone give me the correct reason?

Re:Including... (1)

Eric Giguere (42863) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063736)

Because you might be using web applications that make use of ActiveX controls or have web pages that use other IE-specific features. If you've built an entire corporate infrastructure using IE, you might be tied to IE for a while.

Eric
How to detect Internet Explorer [ericgiguere.com]

Re:Including... (1)

novakyu (636495) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063767)

Because you might be using web applications that make use of ActiveX controls...

Same here. Well, not for a company (er, I'm just a student?), but there's one website that doesn't load properly in my web browser, and only found out why when I was visiting it at my sister's place.

Normally, I wouldn't care and just move on (why bother with those non-standard compliant ****'s?), but it's a sort of online-community thing both my sister and my cousins are on, so I just go to that website when I'm at a school computing center. Hopefully, when IE goes out of style, so will such non-standard compliant ****, and they will code their page properly.

Re:Including... (1)

laughingcoyote (762272) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063782)

Oh, technically, I could install it quite easily. I have admin rights to that system. However, I would not have to worry about using -any- system at work shortly thereafter, since, for one, our POS system currently relies on connecting through an ActiveX interface, and, secondly, my boss gets pissy if I change -anything- on the system unless it is obviously and totally broken.

So, short answer is, 1, we're tied to it, for now, and 2, I would prefer to use IE at work then have no work.

Re:Including... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063656)

so you just quit your job, good for you

Re:Including... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063658)

Unfortunately still have to use IE at work, but working on that ... I'll never use IE again.

O_o

Re:Including... (1)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063661)

Three copies for me, one for each of my systems. Unfortunately still have to use IE at work, but working on that. :(.

As long have enough quota space at work, you should be able to run firefox. You don't need to run the installer - just unpack the
zip file in your home dir...
from here [207.200.85.49] .

Re:Including... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063669)

Before Firefox, I would routinely, between Ad-Aware and Spybot, be cleaning up 50-100 spyware/adware infections a week between the machines. (This was with IE set to high security.) After switching to Firefox, the highest weekly total (between all the systems) has been five.

What are you people doing with IE that attracts so much spyware? I used Win + IE for 3 years without getting one virus, spyware or adware infection.

Where do you go to get this stuff? Maybe before blaming IE you should look, at your own, activities.

Re:Including... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063779)

What do you expect laughingcoyote to say? He obviously is going to a bunch of really low rent goatporn sites and clicking on all the dialers and activex controls.

SessionSaver (3, Interesting)

IO ERROR (128968) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063624)

And the most useful extension, SessionSaver, still isn't available for 1.0. The old version, if you can still find it, mostly works okay though. A site to grab it from is here [pikey.me.uk] . I hear a rumor that there's a SessionSaverPlus in the works which will fully work with 1.0, but I haven't seen any code yet. Any news on this?

Re:SessionSaver (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063786)

The old version of session saver works fine for me in Firefox 1.0. It did need repackaging (to bump maxversion to 1.0) and you can get the repackaged version at The Extensions Mirror [extensionsmirror.nl] , which is a great site for getting the latest extensions (some of which are not up to date on update.mozilla.org).

Downloads of what? (3, Interesting)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063626)

In total? Im sure a good portion of those are redownloads. Lost backups, reformats, new versions released. Unless this is only counting the download of Firefox 1.0 What about mirrored downloads though? Im sure there are other places to download it, besides the mozilla website.

Not there yet... (1)

m_dob (639585) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063631)

10 million is great and all, but my non-geek website is still showing 2% of firefox users. And firefox crashed on me today, doing perfectly normal stuff.

I think something big needs to happen - massive hole in IE exposed or something - to get large companies to bother with the conversion on their intranets. Large companies are the ones holding users back, and they should be the main agents for change in the browser market.

Re:Not there yet... (1)

aerojad (594561) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063654)

I think something big needs to happen - massive hole in IE exposed or something - to get large companies to bother with the conversion on their intranets.

So... pretty much the daily norm continued for the forseeable future? MSFT will be happy to comply.

Re:Not there yet... (5, Informative)

Hamstaus (586402) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063684)

my non-geek website is still showing 2% of firefox users

Well, mileage may vary. In contrast, my non-geek website is showing IE's share down to about 85%, with Firefox up to 5.7% and Mozilla up to 3%. We get about 60,000 unique visitors a month, so I feel comfortable in using the log benchmarks (AWStats) as at least a semi-definitive source when I look at the browser stats these days. It's enough traffic to provide a significant data set.

Monocultures are bad. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063634)

Remember kids, that monocultures of each kind are a good base for epidemic diseases.

It doesn't really matter what name the monoculture has it only differs in time left to the apocalypse.

Re:Monocultures are bad. (1)

X0563511 (793323) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063648)

This is a very good argument. It also carries into the classic *Nix vs Windows one. As soon as *Nix or Firefox (or whatever, for that matter) becomes standard, the focus of those malicious users will be turned to it. Then the story will repeat itself, with different names (and different events, but the outcome will likely be the same).

Re:Monocultures are bad. (1)

CestusGW (814880) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063727)

Yeah, but the thing is that even if people aren't targetting FireFox now, when they do, there won't be ugly things like ActiveX and security zones that will let people root your boxen. Firefox was built as a web browser, something that goes out onto the big bad nasty Internet and pulls down only god-knows-what sort of data. IE was built as this tightly integrated emeddable omnipotent part of the OS ... which then goes and pulls down god-knows-what sort of data and runs with it. So FireFox really is more secure than IE - when it gets targetted, the exploits won't be as bad as those we've seen on IE, and because the project is open source, I'd expect the attention to security to increase as the userbase climbs (attention to security is pretty good right now I think, but IANAD)

Re:Monocultures are bad. (1)

iamsure (66666) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063742)

Except for the fact that Apache is the standard, and because of its design philosophies, it has proven to be far more secure than IIS, despite having a much larger install base (and thus, according to your theory, more people attacking it).

Most importantly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063652)

Who gives a shit

Re:Most importantly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063671)

heh

I'm stuck on Bio Chem - Help me geeks! (-1, Offtopic)

gulfan (524955) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063676)

An experiment was set up to investigate the effect on the pH levels of the enzymes capable of digesting egg whites. Equal amounts of cooked egg whites were placed in a test tube with 3ml of distilled water. There are six test tubes, and the two other items were added as follows:

Test tube 1-pepsiongen and buffer (ph 7)
Test tube 2-pepsiongen and HCl (Ph 2)
Test tube 3-pepsiongen and NaOH (ph 8)
Test tube 4-pancreatin and buffer (ph7)
Test tube 5-pancreatin and HCl (ph2)
Test tube 6-pancreatin and NaOH (ph 8)

So I want to predict and explain the resuts of test tube 1, 2, 5 and 6.

Re:I'm stuck on Bio Chem - Help me geeks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063755)

Looks like weapons of mass destruction to me

what still is buggy (in Mac version)... (4, Insightful)

bikerguy99 (650704) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063683)

is how Firefox works with "PDF browser plugin": opening a PFD doc in one tab kills wheel srolling in other tabs... The plugin works seamlessly in Safari otherwise I haven't seen any other problems

Join the revolution! (-1, Offtopic)

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Is Firefox all that good? (2, Insightful)

allden (748789) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063686)

Granted that IE is a security nightmare...but Firefox 1.0 with it's extensions and plugins has been a nasty problem on my windows machine. Running it on my windows machine causes a lot of paging and CPU activity- so much so that the machine hangs. It stays slow even after I kill firefox.

I didn't have any of these problems on Linux. I am not sure if it is Firefox or it's extensions or plugins.

1.0, Bah that's old news (1)

NoMercy (105420) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063700)

Avary landed on Trunk a few days ago, so there's significant improvements in the 1.0+ version which will go on to be developed towards 1.1, though likely less stable and with a whole hoast of new bugs people are already reporting that it's got faster page load times.

Not to mention the best benifit, 1.0+ renders slashdot correctly :)

Much Higher (1)

nukem996 (624036) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063706)

The number of users is much much higher, I would say that the number is at least 15million users. I have seen many web sites that offer firefox on there own websites and many people are getting firefox via bittorrent. I fix computers as an after school job and part of my fix for windows is to put firefox on, I do this from a CD I have. Everyone I have suggested firefox to has stuck with it.

Meanwhile at W3schools, things are moving... fast (4, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063712)

Firefox is not only still increasing in usage, but has been accelerating this entire year.

See their statistics here [w3schools.com] .

They include the December statistics, and it has already increased more than in the past month, and it's still only 12th of December...

It's interesting to compare to the usage in e.g. January 2004.

Of course, W3Schools is a web site not really representing the Internet population at large, but it is a community that consists of a whole lot of web masters teaching themselves to code for the web we'll see tomorrow. I hope these are signs of what to come and we'll have less incompatible web sites in the future.

2004 has truly been a year the Mozilla Foundation has been doing great, and it will be very interesting to see what will happen in 2005!

It kills Flash (1)

g0hare (565322) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063722)

And that's the ony real reason I use it. IE keeps asking me to install it, Firefox just shows an icon. No plug-ins.

Some Perspective (4, Interesting)

FlipmodePlaya (719010) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063737)

Sourceforge's Top Downloads [sourceforge.net] eMule, the top project, has 80 million downloads. Gaim, for all its awesomeness, has about 5 million. I'm not farmiliar with how they track these statistics, but I assume that is for all versions over its entire lifetime. As with the FF downloads, this is easily skewed by people downloading it more than once, or from a different source.

While on the topic of extensions... (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#11063740)

Anyone knows of a good working extension for Firefox which works like AI-RoboForm (auto-filling forms/signup with different profiles) ?

AI Roboform is somehow screwing up with Firefox.

cueland@berkeley.edu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#11063785)

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